Thanks for the performance perspectives, Ray and Bryan!
Scott
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Bryan Stevenson
br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote:
Hey Scott,
No, sorry I don't know that yet. I seem to recall seeing a
side-by-side comparison of an Objective C app and a converted AIR
Hi Jenny, could you provide the address where I can send all future message
drafts for you to verify if you will allow them to be on this list? Thanks!
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
My reply to Rick was not condescending, since to be so requires intent, and
there was none.
My aim with all my responses to this list is to be helpful and try to make the
web a better place. I try to write replies keeping in mind that the post may
well be used as a reference by others -
Wowwhat did I miss?
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:13 -0400, Peter Boughton wrote:
My reply to Rick was not condescending, since to be so requires intent, and
there was none.
My aim with all my responses to this list is to be helpful and try to make
the web a better place. I try to write
A lot of drama
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson br...@electricedgesystems.com
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 08:32:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Wowwhat did I miss?
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:13 -0400, Peter Boughton wrote
29, 2011 11:33 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Wowwhat did I miss?
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:13 -0400, Peter Boughton wrote:
My reply to Rick was not condescending, since to be so requires intent,
and there was none.
My aim with all my responses to this list
Someone who needed some group therapy... :o)
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:33 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Wowwhat did I miss?
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 11:13 -0400, Peter
Heh, whilst I guess I can see :P being exhaustion, it's always been a
teasing/playful emote for me (which is also how Wikipedia defines it: tongue
sticking out, cheeky/playful).
And yeah, I wasn't offended by anything from you - but I did dislike being told
that I effectively wasn't allowed
If it was a gal replying you might be overjoyed? LOL!
-Original Message-
From: Peter Boughton bought...@gmail.com
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 14:45:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Heh, whilst I guess I can see :P being exhaustion
Sometimes truth offends... :oP
(although I have no idea what you look like!) :o)
-Original Message-
From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:45 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Heh, whilst I guess I can see :P being
I feel sorry you feel so incapable of mastering your social skills that you
should feel this necessary.
-Original Message-
From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 June 2011 16:11
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Hi Jenny, could you provide
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Hi Jenny, could you provide the address where I can send all
future message drafts for you to verify if you will allow them to
be on this list? Thanks!
~|
Order
Bryan,
I see your point, however, we have a tiny number of people on this list who
seem to take some joy in belittling others.
Jenny
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: 29 June 2011 21:16
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective
...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 June 2011 16:11
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Hi Jenny, could you provide the address where I can send all
future message drafts for you to verify if you will allow them to
be on this list? Thanks
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Bryan Stevenson
br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote:
now in my later 30s I just ignore them and let Karma...
Youngster! Wait 'til you get old and cynical like me!
--
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An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/
World Singles,
LOLoh I've been a cynic for a long timeit's part of my charm ;-)
I think it started with the X-FilesTrust No One!
On Wed, 2011-06-29 at 16:10 -0700, Sean Corfield wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Bryan Stevenson
br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote:
now in my later 30s I
Bryan, do you know anything about how efficient/good the code is after
exporting (either to iOS or Android)? My company is looking at building a
social media game that will be on Facebook (i.e., Flash first, with versions
for iOS and Android later, and performance is going to be a concern for
I'm not Bryan but I'll try to answer my best. Performance of the
compiled app was a big push, especially in iOS, for us in Flash
Builder 4.5. While I don't have #s to give you (we can do 1M widget
ops per second), I do know that things should work pretty good. I'd
also check AXNA as I know
when a user has
to download a runtime (right?) to run an AIR site/app, to go
to a platform such as AIR and away from HTML, etc?
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some
For iOS there is no AIR download. For Android there is - but it's
handled rather nicely (and it's a one time affair).
As for is it better - that's not a question I can answer for you.
Whats best is the tool that allows you to deliver what the customer
needs.
I've worked with both HTML sites
Would it be better to design *web* sites/apps, not native apps,
for iPhone and Android as AIR web sites/apps or as
HTML5/jQuery/CSS sites/apps.
Is there truly enough difference, especially when a user has
to download a runtime (right?) to run an AIR site/app, to go
to a platform such as
: Re: Need some perspective...
Would it be better to design *web* sites/apps, not native apps,
for iPhone and Android as AIR web sites/apps or as
HTML5/jQuery/CSS sites/apps.
Is there truly enough difference, especially when a user has
to download a runtime (right?) to run an AIR site/app
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:32 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
For iOS there is no AIR download. For Android there is - but it's
handled rather nicely (and it's a one time affair).
As for is it better - that's not a question I can answer for you.
Whats best
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
I can see that perspective being good for those sophisticated
clients who do walk in and ask for something specific. However,
my clients tend to have a goal in mind and I pitch them on the
medium to achieve
Hey Scott,
No, sorry I don't know that yet. I seem to recall seeing a
side-by-side comparison of an Objective C app and a converted AIR app
and the AIR app was pretty darn close in behavioura little hiccup
here and there if fast scrolling through a large list for example.
I don't now if
Yeahwhat Dave said ;-)
On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 10:37 -0400, Dave Watts wrote:
AIR isn't for web applications. AIR is for locally-installed
applications. If you want something to run without needing to fetch
everything from a web site, use AIR. If you want something to run
without
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Would it be better to design *web* sites/apps, not native apps,
for iPhone and Android as AIR web sites/apps or as
HTML5/jQuery/CSS sites/apps.
Is there truly enough difference, especially when a user has
to download a runtime (right
But if AIR can access local and web-based content,
unlike a web app, which accesses web-based content only,
why not build AIR apps for both local apps and web apps?
Because it's not necessary for web apps, and there are costs to
building AIR apps that don't exist with web apps.
If I can
I'd see no problem with a developer having a good hand on 2 of those
above - even all 3
True, true...
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:31 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011
I'd like a all-in-one hammer-screwer, please... :o)
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:45 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
But if AIR can access local and web-based content,
unlike a web app, which
Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-)
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, Maureen.
I know how you feel. I
I had the exact same question!
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com
To: cf-talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:08:39 -0400
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Ok, Bryan... time for some questions about AIR.
(I'm reading over
: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Well Rick...one browser if you will...AIR ;-)
On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 09:46 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:
Thanks for the feedback, Maureen.
I know how you feel. I wish we could just
have one browser
...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:15 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Hey Rick,
AIR apps can be converted to run on iOS. I'm pretty sure that is using
a tool in CS 5. Apple tried to kill that, but eventually allowed for
converted code instead of natively written
.
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:15 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Hey Rick,
AIR apps can be converted to run on iOS. I'm pretty sure that is using
a tool in CS 5. Apple tried to kill
with. (Did I mention I have a biased, perhaps
undue, hatred for Flash? :o)
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:50 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Hey Rick,
Yeahsimilar boat here. Tried AIR
AIR and Flex are both done in Flash Builder.
AIR is Flex code with extra functionality.
You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the
Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF
coding at the same time via CFEclipse)
So there we are not
Another question, however, is raised by your comments. Since AIR
worked so well for the commercial fishing app, why are you transitioning
to Flash Builder for mobile dev?
Flash Builder lets you build Flex apps that target AIR. You don't need
Flash Builder for this: you can use other tools to
Ohand Flex as a web app with CF as the backendnow you're talkin!
--
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell: 250.920.8830
e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems.com
web:
You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the
Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same thingbut allows for CF
coding at the same time via CFEclipse)
I'm pretty sure you can install the CFEclipse plugin into the
standalone Flash Builder. You can install most
Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and
not the plugin ;-)
Thanks for the tip!
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:14 -0400, Dave Watts wrote:
You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app) OR buy the
Eclipse plugin (which is essentially the same
to be an approach
option for building AIR apps, based on what I've read
on Adobe's site.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:14 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
You can buy Flash Builder (Adobe purpose built Eclipse app
...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:19 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and
not the plugin ;-)
Thanks for the tip!
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:14 -0400, Dave Watts wrote:
You can buy Flash
All I can say Rick is that if you can write CF you can handle
Flex/AIR.MXML is tag based an fairly obvious 9tag names and
attribute names are very familiar)and ActionScript 3 is based on
ECMA (same as JavaScript is).
We learned on the fly and that code is in PRODthat's how easy we
Now here's an example I would point to concerning the difficulty
I would have even getting past consideration of using Adobe's
technologies. Take this presentation/tutorial on Adobe's site,
for example:
...Tim Buntel explains the data-centric features in Flash Builder 4
and shows how
, or perhaps ColdFusion Builder?
I'm glad I'm not just starting out in this, trying to decide
what to use to make a living.
-Original Message-
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:br...@electricedgesystems.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:19 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some
Really Dave? that would be cool as we bought FlashBuilder licences and
not the plugin ;-)
Thanks for the tip!
In addition, I think you can use the same serial number whether you
download the standard FB installer or the Eclipse plugin. I know it
used to be this way, as I'd install both on
with the
changing landscape. Suddenly, plain ole text documents (no graphics)
has a certain quaint charm. :o)
I just need a vacation...
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:42 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Now
And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you
have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML,
HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS.
I guess what I'm saying is that I can already do the above, I just want
a single medium through which to deliver the
Even better Dave.and I hear you on the version issue (which was my
only concern).will have to investigate further
Thanks againgreat info!
--
Bryan Stevenson B.Comm.
VP Director of E-Commerce Development
Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
phone: 250.480.0642
fax: 250.480.1264
cell:
]
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:54 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
And of course, to build applications that are just ColdFusion, you
have to know a lot of things already - relational databases, HTML,
HTTP, maybe JavaScript and CSS.
I guess what I'm saying is that I can
When I mentioned medium, I meant delivery medium, not
creation medium.
I don't see how that makes any difference. When you write CF and HTML
applications using, say, jQuery, you have a bunch of files that you
create. Some are CF files that generate HTML. Others are JavaScript
files. Still
A bit late to this conversation. I don't have much to answer in terms
of questions as Dave did a kick ass job, but if you want to see some
examples, I did a presentation on Flex+CF just last week. You can find
my slides and a link to the recording here:
That I'm not sure of Rick
I'd never do it as it's too easy to do it in AIR.you can even use
CSS in Flex/AIR
Cheers
On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 13:59 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:
When I mentioned medium, I meant delivery medium, not
creation medium.
One last question (for now!):
Can
Well depending on what kind of mobile developementAdobe AIR is quite
nice and no need for HTML or CSS.
Cheers
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 23:05 -0400, Rick Faircloth wrote:
I've been searching for an answer to the question:
To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop
and mobile
be...
-Original Message-
From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:56 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with
non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently
Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with
non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently
refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them
both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers and for mobile
browsers. I'm doing a
I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style
sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to
keep up with what works and what doesn't.
That's why you shouldn't do browser detection, you should do feature detection.
For HTML5, here's a guide to doing that:
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Exactly my findings. There are still enough desktop users with
non-compliant browsers that HTML/CSS3 are problematic. I'm currently
refactoring all my sites for new technologies, attempting to make them
both fully assessable for screen reader/text browsers
[mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 1:24 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop
and mobile development.
This came up in a few sessions
We need some sort of continuously updated standard with
more nimble browser updating, as well.
That is *EXACTLY* what HTML5 is now - an evolving standard which you CAN use on
the desktop right now (if you do things correctly; detect features not
browsers).
phone
browser issues into the mix, as well. Just more complication
to add frustration.
It's been a long week...
-Original Message-
From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:09 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
We need some
Instead of major milestone releases on the part of
standards groups and browser creators, I'd rather
them take on one enhancement at a time and implement
it across the spectrum of browsers. Instead of FF3
and FF4, IE7, IE8, and IE9... there's just FF and IE,
each with nightlies enhanced a
One can always dream...
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 1:02 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Instead of major milestone releases on the part of
standards groups and browser creators, I'd rather
them
I don't quite see it that way, Peter.
...
It's been a long week...
And a long rambling post, which seems to be missing the points I was making. :P
The W3C will always be doing the major milestone nonsense, because they're a
big bureaucratic organisation that does stuff like that.
: 25 June 2011 20:08
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
I don't quite see it that way, Peter.
...
It's been a long week...
And a long rambling post, which seems to be missing the points I
was making. :P
Dave,
Would you like to explain exactly what your posting aims to add to this
discussion?
Jenny
Instead of major milestone releases on the part of
standards groups and browser creators, I'd rather
them take on one enhancement at a time and implement
it across the spectrum of browsers.
Would you like to explain exactly what your posting aims to add to this
discussion?
Sure. I'll try not to be too condescending.
There are some things that we can control or influence. There are
other things that are beyond our control or influence. This falls into
the latter category. Not to
: RE: Need some perspective...
Peter,
1. It's not a long post.
2. It's not rambling.
I think Rick's post was spot-on accurate and I totally agree with every
point he makes.
Just sticking your head in the sand and saying oh well, that's the way it
is is a way of thinking that would leave us
LOL.
Now, perhaps you can look at having that bug extracted from your ass.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
http://training.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on
GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
Something's got to change with the development of standards.
HTML5 not complete and full interoperable until 2022 !?!?!
You need to read a bit deeper into the subject - as Peter suggests.
Standards organizations
stop worrying about all this and relax a bit -
that's exactly what weekends were designed for
That's the best advice I've read all week! :o)
-Original Message-
From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 3:08 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some
to develop a new standard? There is
something wrong with this picture...
-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:52 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Rick Faircloth
r
Now, fellows... let's be gentlemen, here...
-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:02 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
LOL.
Now, perhaps you can look at having that bug extracted from your ass
Thank you, Jenny. :o)
Take that, you guys!
-Original Message-
From: Jenny Gavin-Wear [mailto:jenn...@fasttrackonline.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:18 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Peter,
1. It's not a long post.
2. It's not rambling.
I think Rick's
in the bottom.
-Original Message-
From: Peter Boughton [mailto:bought...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 3:08 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
I don't quite see it that way, Peter.
...
It's been a long week...
And a long rambling post, which seems
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
I'm just complaining about the age-old browser incompatibilities and having
to add mobile development into that mix.
Well, the former is nothing new and, frankly, the latter is an easier
bunch to deal with because
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
There has *got* to be a better way of progressing. Perhaps
we could just lock all the browser vendors into a room and
make them fight it out over what features will be developed
and in what order and not let them
Yeah, doing a lot of that too.
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Peter Boughton bought...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm doing a lot of detection and loading code and style
sheets based on what browser is being used, but it's a steady pain to
keep up with what works and what doesn't.
That's why you
I'm liking this guy a lot:
http://stuffandnonsense.co.uk/blog/about/keep_calm_and_carry_on_with_html5/
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
There has *got* to be a better way of progressing. Perhaps
we could just lock all the browser vendors into a
Just the type of reply I have come to expect from you.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: 25 June 2011 22:26
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
Would you like to explain exactly what your posting aims to add to this
discussion?
Sure
Birds of a feather ...
-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: 25 June 2011 23:02
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Need some perspective...
LOL.
Now, perhaps you can look at having that bug extracted from your ass.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf
I think you may have to lower your expectations, Rick ;) lol
-Original Message-
From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: 26 June 2011 02:44
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Need some perspective...
Now, fellows... let's be gentlemen, here
I've been searching for an answer to the question:
To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop
and mobile development.
What's everyone's take? Anyone using HTML5 and CSS3?
What about mobile? I've been working with jQuery Mobile.
(I've been doing jQuery for a couple of years or so and
am
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Rick Faircloth
r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
To us or not to use HTML5 and CSS3 in desktop
and mobile development.
This came up in a few sessions at JAXconf this week. The general
consensus seemed to be that HTML5 / CSS3 is a solid bet for mobile -
because
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