Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
Not sure on the value of my contribution or if at this stage we can say anything that will be anything that has not been said already. From someone who started in a CF shop, did the whole Spectra thing, worked through the studio moving to .NET, and then moved into a .NET-centric studio after, for me the ongoing cost of hosting was a deal breaker. The CF argument against .asp used to be that it did things out of the box that were painful in .asp (database connections, emailing), but not so sure that is as solid anymore. Chad who has been trying to go mainstream himself, but ended up as a bit of a creek or tributary On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: I think we are barking up the wrong tree. Adobe do no less marketing than JSP or PHP and they are still popular. Sure .NET do more, but Microsoft can afford to. ColdFusion isn't mainstream, it's never going to be mainstream, it's growth in use is probably only reflective of how many additional people are doing web development, not because it's more popular than year X. But I don't pick a technology based on popularity or marketing and shiny brochures. I pick one that does the job I need and offers me something. So while it would be nice if Adobe did more in Australia, it won't have any significant impact, even in the Firmware days ColdFusion wasn't mainstream. The reason it isn't main stream, is the cost, Adobe can argue this however they like, but if ColdFusion were free 10+ years ago, I think ColdFusion would be mainstream now. It's too late now, even if made free, it would need to both be free and heavily marketed, which cost wise probably doesn't make sense. It will be interesting to see how Adobe handle the proposed Server Side ActionScript marketing and pricing. It will be interesting to see if Railo can succeed, from what I can tell New Atlanta BlueDragon has failed. Regards Dale Fraser http://dale.fraser.id.au http://cfmldocs.com http://learncf.com http://flexcf.com -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:48 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Why are they not sourcing the info directly from the reseller system? If I join up to be a reseller I shouldn't have to be manually added into the reseller system and then into the website so I can be found for searching. And in addition to that, as a paying partner member if I google adobe coldfusion partner australia I would atleast expect to get people listed as partners on the adobe website but I don't. -Original Message- From: Barry Beattie [mailto:barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 31 May 2010 11:40 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Quite frankly, I don't really care WHY things are broken, you should - because even if it's fixed, it'll be unfixed given enough time. It's the underlying causes that's broken. The portal is just a symptom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
I say something similar other times when this comes up, but I like seeing letters appear on the screen when I hit the keys, so will go again. I love developing resources, working with them to realise their full potential. Really freakishly love it. Trying to find those resources in a scarce labour market, not so much. That said, grad students know php, so we end up building our own more often than not. However, importing upper-end skills appears to be a lot easier when dealing with m$oft products. It would be the same scenerio both for a service provider and an internal development team. Chad who hopes people don't get the wrong impression when he combines freakishly love and resources On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Dawesi daw...@gmail.com wrote: Another jobs suggests: To apply, you will need to have strong, current software development skills (ASP.Net), hands on experience in legacy maintenance migration environments, enjoy an agile development cycle and possess a thorough understanding of, and plenty of experience with, .NET framework. ie: moving from CF to .Net - area they calling CF legacy? On May 24, 4:57 pm, Dawesi daw...@gmail.com wrote: Looks like JB-HI is moving to .nethttp:// www.seek.com.au/job/software-developer/melbourne-east/17358904... Another misinformed IT manager. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group athttp:// groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] OT: Shameless plug from a legacy lurker, but input and feedback on enw CF site welcome
Hi all, I highly doubt anyone here remembers me from my programming days going a decade back when we entertained ourselves with .NET vs CF flame wars. While I am now a production manager in studio that is well and truly focused on .NET, I still have personal fondness for the CF language and community. I recently dusted off my own skills as part of a personal research project for Uni. This is so off topic it is not even funny, relative only in that it is another Cold Fusion site unleashed upon the world. I am confident this board in general would turn its nose up at my code, but for the most part it does the job. Obviously, any recommendations, questions or feedback would be most welcome. Without further ado... www.mypizzapersonality.com. Thanks for listening. Back to trying to remember how to query of query... umm Chad who first started referring to himself in third person in the CF user group -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] OT: Shameless plug from a legacy lurker, but input and feedback on enw CF site welcome
Perhaps that will be my next assignment. What programming Framework are you? Me thinks the audience would be a bit niche, but vocal. Chad who goes for a two-story framework, but the occasional Queenslander or brick granny-flat also does the trick On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Kym Kovan dev-li...@mbcomms.net.au wrote: On 15/05/2010 6:21 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: Nope its not what matters. If it was then we wouldn't have framwork pushers now would we :P Steve! That's sacrilege! :-) As a non-framework person, except our own of course, I enjoy the various folk that have decided to use one framework rather than another and then get evangelistic about it. But frameworks rule!(according to the fans) In reality I have always had dilemmas about frameworks, none cover all bases so you need to know more than one and then why bother?. I was impressed with FW/1 with its description at WebDU last week, so Phil you have to keep up the good work, as a tool to have a non-interventionist framework but we had the problem recently in terms of a tool we have been using in-house for many years now, our own CMS. We have decided to go Open Source with it but like all internal products it is full of all sorts of silly stuff and in our case it was used in the early days by our trainees to hone their CF skills so has some seriously silly things there. In the years since then it has evolved and is now used for some serious websites but as it grew we felt we were following down the same path that FarCry followed, a CMS that turned into a framework. So we have steered away from that: we are not a framework! :-) FarCry is great, why duplicate it? Well we didn't, it is not a framework (INAF, can I copyright that?). We call the beast SLCMS (choose you own acronym for the SL bit but officially it is Simple Light (from a users perspective)) and even though we have not yet released it yet as Open Source in the sense that we are still tidying it up in our spare time you can find it at: http://svn.slcms.net/codebase/ (having watched the brilliant session on git at WebDU we have just moved to Mercurial (interesting how one thing leads to another) but we will keep the SVN version current once we get to a release version.) Chad, see what you have started? You haven't changed :-) -- Yours, Kym Kovan mbcomms.net.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comcfaussie%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
[cfaussie] Re: OT : Friday discussion To browse or not to browse
I cringe when I hear the word just. As a production manager, I hear a lot of just related to IE6 specific tweaks (it will 'just' take me an hour or two), which cumulate to thousands of dollars per year and significant schedule pain. Yes, in a perfect world IE6 would be managed through perfect CSS and if/then statements. But our world of plug ins, widgets, third-party ad-ons and integration with legacy systems is far from perfect. I require an element of predictability and profitability that IE6 in particular threatens. It takes a significant amount of time to perform a full user test on each browser, and accommodating the likes of Safari, IE6, IE7, IE8, FF2, FF3, and Opera can be a 2-day exercise, not too mention if there are issues that require changes and re-testing. It would be nice to eliminate just one of the options we as a society feel are necessary. If I have an option to kill something, IE6 is top of my list. Chad who still lurks on Cold Fusion forums like the bad smell from the lunch your 6th grade kid forgot in their bag over school holidays On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: Today I thought I would log into my twitter account after 7 months mind you and have a look around again thinking maybe I can put it to some use (jury is still out on that one), but while I was in there I noticed in the right hand column under Trending topics I noticed a topic names *IE6 Must die*. Being human and curious by nature I thought I would check it out and noticed some interesting comments like IE6 must die for the web to move on and I spent days trying to get sites looking vaguely similar in IE6 to Firefox. IE IS EVIL! . I guess my question is, should IE6 die? Is IE really evil? I hear a lot of talk about how Microsoft browsers don't adhere to W3C standards and developing for IE is such a pain and FireFox is a much better browser. How much time do you really spend checking cross browser compatibility? Is it really worth it? In my experience, I would say not a great deal. If you stick to the standards I have found that you end up just tweaking the CSS a little and most of if is because of positioning issues. That said, this sort of issue is not only related to the IE browsers or IE6 specifically. MAC in general are a pain because of the way they render fonts and have there own style of classic fonts like Arial and so on. Issues like that cause problems with padding and spacing, especially if you are looking for a pixel perfect layout. At least with IE browsers you can use the IF/ELSE technique to include specific CSS files to target specific versions of the browser. There are CSS hacks for everything now, and honestly I don't think you need them as long as you stick to simple standards code. A lot can be achieved if you do this without having to sacrifice functionality or compatibility for the plethora of browsers available. In the end, every browser, new and old has their quirks and to point the finger and at one browser is unfair if not unjust. Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: cold fusion developer looking for a job
My 2 cents, I never look at cfjobs, and never will. I occasionally get inquiries looking for cf folk, but knowing the opposition to such posts here, generally let them go on their way, as I now work in a predominantly Microsoft house. I am interested in who is looking for work, but such talk usually gets pushed off to the other board. I would say let them post and allow the user to use their discretion on reading, but I post here every 2 years so my vote means very little. Chad who is glad the board has moved past .NET vs. CF wars On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: I think there is a difference, and that is saying Hey im available if anyone is looking for help or anything and the other being actually posting job offers. I think as a community, there still needs to be a level or networking and just like you asking a mate if they know anyone looking for a developer. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Darren Tracey Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2009 11:03 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: cold fusion developer looking for a job My vote is very firmly on the side of keeping the two lists as they are and seperate. Jobs ads should be on CFJobs, and not on CFAussie. I don't want to go back to it being mixed. It wasn't good. Darren On Feb 3, 1:15 pm, Geoff Bowers mod...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 3, 2:00 pm, Dale Fraser d...@fraser.id.au wrote: I personally think that both lists are too small to be separate, cfaussie hardly gets any traffic, and cfjobs is almost silent. Perhaps the only thing worse than little or no traffic on CFAUSSIE is what little traffic we have being dominated by Job ads/requests :) It is also not really clear that cfjobs is for aussie jobs, thus someone posting to cfaussie might think it is appropriate if they are looking in oz. I'm not sure how much clearer we can make it. CFJOBS is clearly labelled onhttp://lists.daemon.com.au/andhttp://groups.google.com/group/cfjobs. I've also added a note to the header of CFAUSSIE today to help remind folks. So I don't begrudge a person for posting to cfaussie, perhaps we could consider relaxing these rules. Its hardly a draconian rule. It's there primarily to block recruiters spamming the list. For that reason alone I think its important that the rule remains and continues to be politely enforced. geoffhttp://www.daemon.com.au/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Looking For Short Term Shotgun Contract/Work (take 2)
Hi Chris, I responded with my work contact details from your first post and have not heard back. Please advise. Kind regards, Chad On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Dawesi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, I'm waiting for a delayed contract to start in mid October and was wondering if anyone had the need for a experienced ColdFusion developer (cf 4.x-8.x) If you reply to this thread I will send my CV to your cfaussie registered email address. Cheers, Chris Dawes Dawes International Yahoo/Skype/AOL/Gtalk : dawesi --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Statistics on ColdFusion... and other languages
Which again is all counter-productive to the original post. So those of us not making mad love to a given language will need to troll through individual fanatical forums to perform our own cross analysis since no one seems to be able to step back (and off) and have a mature discussino about a solution that keeps the client in focus rather than the technology. 51 posts of pure silliness. Chad who believes he added silly post 52... whoo hoo! On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Must say, I do think Scott was misinterpreted. I was just speaking to him berating him in person for why he would bother coming to this list and spouting MS bull$hit and he tried to explain that his original post was actually in summary supposed to be: .NET has mainstream marketshare, so using statistics will cause you nothing but stating the obvious Regarding the stats he did qualify with: I need to qualify that with an independent research company so don't hold that as gospel by any means. and That being said, there are three types of lies, a lie, a damn lie and statistics so using them isn't always a good thing, as they can be used to twist and contort folks into believing the glass is either full, or empty depending on your outlook. The rest of the post was technology neutral and fair points to be considered when adopting *any* technology. I closed with the advice to him he is no longer just nutbag scott from the old CFAussie he is now MS guy and everything he will say on this list and others will be interpreted differently so why bother posting at all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: recruters say CF on the way out? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?
Hi Scott, I think you may have your threads crossed. Last time I checked, I was the one making the case for cf devers to cross polinate into other languages because I couldn't find anyone to support CF apps that come in. I think you are aiming at Charlie, the other CH-name-starting-dude. I dont' know half of what you're talking about, but it sounds technical enough where I am wanting to take credit 'cause it sounds like technical. I only know projects in, resources to manage, work out, and making the fit in between. I are manager now, I are not programmer. But if you want, I'll have a piece of you on Donky Kong. You name the place, I'll bring the mame. Chad who gets his behind kicked on the level with the bouncy spring things On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *cracks knuckles* ..oh it's on Chad, it's on like Donkey Kong! :) hehh. Adobe CE Program is as I say, Apples vs Oranges.I see firsthand more benefits in the MVP over Adobe CE and consider it a point of difference in our offering, now what does that have to do with the current thread. Simply that the existing model could be improved better, i won't stipulate exactly how as that's obviously not my job. What I am doing is trying to tease out some folks within the community whom are wanting change, to start thinking about the program, looking at what Microsoft MVP offers and even evolve it further or use it as a benchmark on what not to do, either way, start the dialogue.. I wouldn't consider having a piece of glass that says welcome to the yearly membership, t-shirt, pizzas and beer to be the end of it. Being recognised as a community leader is and should be a big deal, as these are the rockstars of your community. If you simply casually throw it out there to random names that have no story attached to them, or no visual clear definitive way to articulate whom they are and what they did to arrive at such point, then how can others look to getting insight into the value being offered by the program in question. Example: Right now there is a plane loads of MVP's from around the world, being flown into Seattle to meetup at the MVP Summit. In this summit they will have access to various Product Teams and folks from various levels. They'll get to ask the hard questions and get the hard answers, which they then take back to their respective regions and distill into what there peers have asked them to find out and so on. They are the true backbone of a community, the connectors between Corporate and Community as they can/have one on hand praised us but then immediately backhand us for not doing our jobs. Product Teams listen and do what they can so next year at the next Summit, the beatings won't continue.. Benefit Realisation. Now Chad, I like you sport, but you've got to be kidding if you assume I don't follow what Adobe does across the board. CF8 vs CF9 is not as important as where is Adobe taking its product range? More to the point, early this week they announced a bit of an executive overall, now what impact will this have and do you fully comprehend what it means for them to have David Mendels out of the picture? (could be nothing, could be something). Point is, where is this ship sailing towards and which direction. Adobe have a lot of fires on many fronts they are putting out piece by piece. Consolidation of products is obvious and a platform, true platform this time round is likely to happen, the question remains however how does Coldfusion play a role in this puzzle. FYI, I follow CF8 closely as well as CF9. I'll leave the rapid prototyping alone as that could strike a bar fight, as there's some basic truths in this conversation that would be the same as waving a red flag in front of a room of bulls.. suffice to say, make note i used the reference to Ruby on Rails and not ASP.NET, but i could include that as well. In fact play it safe, lets strike that remark from the record shall we :) Rather then debate blow for blow on my point, i stand by my point's and i put it to you to prove me wrong. In fact, prove them all wrong :) as if there is a problem here, you've just fixed them in one email chad, yet if there isn't well you've just strengthened the entire proposition of Coldfusion - but what if you're wrong. The point is, CF community used to be more vibrant than it is today, and not much in the technology or ownership has changed. In fact I'd say Adobe's ownership of Coldfusion has given it a boost over Macromedia, but overall the bodies and minds haven't changed.. so what has? FUD confuses me at times? like what's the agenda? disrupt the Adobe scene so it's chaos and you all turn on the company with pitchforks? I mean I could do that and there are techniques to do that, but i'd firstly do it via layers of abstraction as the key to doing so is to ensure you're not directly linked to the riot in question - or it could be a guy, on a
[cfaussie] Re: recruters say CF on the way out? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?
And every 2 years, this board arrives at the same outcome of diversification of skills. I will admit that there is value in specialisation bot as a developer and a studio. But unless you are niche or captive, any sort of growth will see a diverse sort of working coming in the door. In any given week I will have projects with solutions to be maintained or developed in php, .asp, .NET, FLEX, Flash, and yes, CF. By default, I will look for a resouorce with skills in the native language of the application. Because we are a Microsoft house, we have a visible agenda to migrate over to .NET, but only if it is in the best interest of the business objectives. In the case of CF, we are experiencing situations where the lack of available (eg., schedule and budget) resources push a redevelopment to aa more accessible language before it is comfortable for the business. If the applicants walking through my door had CF as a line item, I would welcome the opportunity to support existing CF applications, as I think it's a great language. If they only had CF, I wouldn't touch them because I would rather invest in developing technologies with more opportunity in the market. Chad who wouldn't touch the developer either way due to his company's sexual harrassment policy On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Peter Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: @Andrew, I'll have to question that both CF devs can't find work and those with work can't find CF devs. Of course, in a fragmented market with inefficient distribution it is possible for there to be both a shortage of developers and a shortage of work in localized areas. If that really is the case, the solution is simply a more efficient mechanism for associating CF devs to the work that is waiting for them - marketing or building the size of the market isn't the problem at all. I don't know enough about the Australian market, but my experience in Australia, the US and the UK is that right at the moment there is pretty strong demand for CF development skills and the lack of good CF devs is the primary issue which is why I know people are looking at ways of getting CF more involved in the education space. Best Wishes, Peter On Apr 11, 2008, at 7:22 PM, CyberAngel wrote: Barry, No the raw numbers really can't compare, it is a big indication yes. The problem is that and I'll have to say this because it is a catch 22 situation, and the evidence is in what has already been discussed. People are having a hard time finding Coldfusion developers, those who are coldfusion developers can't find work. So those who can't find the developers move to something with the resources, and those who can't get the work go to where the work is. This has been the trend that I have seen for the last 5 years, the problem is going to be how to break the cycle. Andrew Scott -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 9:18 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say CF on the way out? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? But you are both non Australians, and here in Australia the job market is nonexistent and has been that way for 5 years. Andrew, are you talking about raw numbers compared to .NET, Java, PHP? then yes you're right - the available positions at any one time can't compare http://www.seek.com.au/jobsearch/index.ascx?DateRange=31Keywords=coldfusion searchfrom=quick but with such low numbers (both of available developers and of positions available) small fluctuations impact greatly - businesses not finding CF people and therefore going elsewhere is one concern in such conditions. having said that, the project I'm now finishing off certainly wasn't origionally written by an experianced CF developer... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: recruters say CF on the way out? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?
Reminds me of when I was a kid and got beat up, my mom used to say they were just jealous. I love my mom, but she was wrong. They were bigger, stronger, quicker, and I was crunched. Hope you're not considering me in that plural there. I have thought about following the preacher career path, but never considered Microsoft the platform to preach from. Chad who has a grad cert in business from Brisbane's Heritage Christian College as a compromise between preaching and business On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I DO fully agree with that. Microsoft has ALWAYS done everything possible to crush any potential competition. Im sorry to say, This thread is full of BS. CF is the sleeping giant here. And it scares Microsoft just enough to send their preachers out. On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:18 PM, CyberAngel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't fully agree with that. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MrBuzzy Sent: Saturday, 12 April 2008 11:06 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: recruters say CF on the way out? ... FFS! not FUD from them too? This is exactly what I hate about Microsoft. They blind you with noise, give you a whole lot of crap you don't need. Using ASP.net and such is a massive assumption that the general populous will continue to use Windows. There's a few people at Gartner saying Windows is dead :) Scott you do make some good points, however 'going the microsoft way' is not the solution for everything (which generally is what microsoft people will evangelize, ie; what you're indirectly doing now). On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference between an MVP and Adobe CE is folks are measured yearly on their efforts. For example, if you make MVP this year because you did an outstanding job last year (and made the criteria that the independent body agreed upon) it doesn't automatically mean you'll get it next year if you decide to get bored with the idea. It's apples for oranges really, but the point I was trying to make is whom are your/our (still consider myself a cfaussie) leaders, what recognition do they get and above all what level of support? (ie Barry Beattie comes to mind a lot when I think of this). I could really go to town on this but I think I'm overstepping my boundaries as be clear, I'm Microsoft and can't speak my mind on this one topic. Suffice to say the following: There is lack of maturity in the local CF ranks. Most of the ranking officers/generals in ANZ are either in management roles or in other languages (Java, .NET etc). This is really bad, as whom are mentoring the Juniors? and more importantly what are they teaching them? There is lack of marketing spend. This doesn't have to be billboards, events, rally points if you will are marketing amongst other means. We had really small budget to market Silverlight with last year, we made it scale and that product was zero install in January last year. There is lack of diversity. Folks, we are never one brand and i encourage you all to consider going beyond your comfort zones. There is a large IT world out there whom will not award you points for being 100% loyal to one brand. Allow yourself to be around other communities whom may not like your technology preferences, but i guarantee you, they will respect you as professional for looking at theres. Diversity is key, as it forms relationship and fosters various adoption lifecyles that benefit all. If you're not getting the numbers you need with a UG, look at merging or colloborating with others. People donate 1-2hrs of their personal time to attend these, make them feel its an investment, not a chore. The old days are gone. Who cares what happened in the last 3-5 years. What people care about is what's happening in the next 3-5 years. Cynergy Systems for example, told me last year at MIX07 in Vegas we're announcing our support of Silverlight and they did so because they believed in our roadmap and our vision for the future. I have countless more stories like this, roadmaps are currency as todays' technology weakness is tomorrow's strength. I won't preach at you, but ask yourself a simple question, where do you see Coldfusion heading in 3-5 years? not just the server itself but the surrounding ecosystem. There is lack of rapid prototyping. Rapid prototyping is something more and more companies are looking for daily. if you can't produce a solution in minimal time, whilst your competitor can, weigh up what you're doing and why you are doing it that way. Broaden your horizons and understand that it's not about quality, it's mostly about quantity. Ruby On Rails, can be the most awful solution known to man in the wrong hands, and it sadly does end up in the wrong hands a
[cfaussie] Re: recruters say CF on the way out? ... FFS! not FUD from them too?
I now post here as often as this topic comes up, which is now about every 2 years. At least it is migrated from the .NET vs. CF to CF is dead. CF developer from way back due to starting my career at what was then a CF studio, I am now out of coding and now doing studio Production Management. In the Brisbane recruitment climate, both my clients and I are challenged to find CF developers on any sort of notice, much less developers in general. While my inherent anti-establishment nature held me back from the Microsoft route, it is refreshing to have available an end-to-end integrated approach that the client (and my not entirely technical self) can comprehend. I'll go hide again now, and wish you the best as I remember fondly my posts about how to use cfoutput. I always have a soft spot for CF and lie to myself about cracking open the certification books sitting on my shelf at home. But I just don't see it happening. Chad who sees many things happening and often feels powerless to change it On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:13 PM, Gary Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a great idea. I can't see that people have anything to lose. Maybe I should be doing just that ;) Hahaha - yeah Gary, stop being such a recluse! See you at PTUB[1] tomorrow night? [1] http://ptub.blogspot.com/2008/04/ptub-3-god-save-queens.html for any Perth people -- Kay Smoljak business: www.cleverstarfish.com coldfusion: kay.smoljak.com personal: goatlady.wordpress.com | heapsbad.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Kind of OT - do you guys charge for this?
From someone who uses contractors, it is based on the situation. I typically wouold not pay travel, as that is not my responsibility. I would be flexible to try to accomodate the timing of the trip to allow the contractor to schedule other things around their visit. If the need was immediate, I would consider increasing the hourly pay for the 2.5 hours which is my responsibility. Again, it is based on what is fair and equitable for both parties, following an open discussion. Chad who has not posted here for many moons On Dec 1, 2007 6:51 PM, Peter Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It really comes down to how busy are you and how bad do you want the work? If it's a great client you like to work with, you get a good hourly rate, you get to develop technology you can sell elsewhere, there are product or hosting sales giving you a back end, it's fun to do and/or you don't have other work on, do whatever makes them happy. I'd probably try to schedule something else so I could throw in the travel time, maybe work on the train if you can take public transport, etc. If on the other hand it's a lowball hourly, you don't like the work/the client, you're not learning anything, there is no back end, or you've got lots of other work paying the same or a greater hourly rate, you might have to let the client know that while you'd love to come in for the meeting, it's going to take you three hours of travel time which you would otherwise be billing another client for. You're more than happy to take the meeting by phone, to schedule it as part of a day of onsite consulting or to schedule it for a day when you'd be coming through their neighborhood anyway, and in any of those cases you'd only have to charge the 2.5 hours. If they MUST have you at that time for just 2.5 hours, you're going to have to charge out the travel time because it's money you'd otherwise be making. All you have to bill is your time, so whether you're writing valuable code, sitting in a room chatting with someone, or stuck in traffic, if the only reason you're doing so is because client X asks you to, then the only reason not to charge client X for that time is if you're willing to effectively discount your overall hourly rate to get/keep their business. For the record, there are plenty of clients I'll go out of the way to do what I can for, and there are some which can pay book rate or go hire someone else. It's all supply and demand - not only the supply and demand of programmers, but also the supply and demand of clients. Best Wishes, Peter On 11/30/07 11:25 PM, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry if this is too off-topic. I dont think it is but never mind i'll post anyway . What do you other contractors/freelancers do in this scenario: You work off site for a client, working from your own office on a task, charging by the hour for the job. The client calls and says he wants you in his office for a meeting with some of the stakeholders in the job. The meeting will take 2.5 hours, on a day when you'd otherwise be working by the hour for this client or another ... Travel to the client's office is 90 minutes each way, a total of 3 hours travelling time when you count both trips there and back. You obviously charge the client for the 2.5 hours stakeholders meeting, but do you also charge for the 3 hours travel time?If so, at the full chargeout rate or a special travel time rate? I think if you are going to spend 8 hours at the client office, its' like travel to and from work and therefore not chargeable. but since this is a part of a day that would otherwise be chargeable if you werent going to the meeting, do you charge for the 3 horus taken out of the day travelling? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Code Commenting
Hey all, Official lurker, but I do try to keep up on what's going on. I am curious as to what your thoughts are on standards for commenting in your code. Being self-taught, I am unsure if this is covered in programming 101. However, I have seen a wide range of thoughts, from the formal Name, Date, Purpose, Variable Declaration to the thought that the code should be self-explanatory. Would love any insights you may have. Cheers, Chad who had a few comments on this but forgot to write them down --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFAussie Community Head Count
ping On 6/20/07, pstapl07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ping from Penrith.. Pat On Jun 1, 12:02 pm, Matt Voerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, Just a quick note to let you guys know that we at the Adobe Australia office haven't forgotten about you, and do monitor this (and several other) lists on a regular basis. We have a couple of Community related irons in the fire and will communicate more on them as they solidify. What would be of great help to us in the meantime would be a hands up (head count) on how many Aussie CF'ers are reading this list on a regular basis. If you could just ping a response to to this thread that would be grouse. Thanks in advance Matt Voerman Senior Consultant Adobe Systems Pacific --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Development Options
Hey all, I am two careers removed from my legit coding days, but I still tinker along the edges. As such, I typically find one or two projects each year to keep my fingers in the pie. I am weighing up another one for over the holidays, and would appreciate your opinions on the available options. Commen scenerio, small business wants an application to operate more efficienctly. MYOB is in place, but is found lacking in many areas. Large scope, smallish budget. My leaning from experience is usually straight to Microsoft Access, in that it is quick and relatively stable in single-points of entry situations. My next option is to go online with CF, but the costs are a bit higher and there are some features needed where online is not an option. My question from not being in the middle of the development world: what options are there for small-scale application development? Cheers, Chad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Why buy into CF?
On that note, can that then please get Google not to say Did you mean: coldfusion whenever you search for the term, or get wikipedia to acknowledge the software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion)? Chad who wanted to get his name in on this monster thread On 9/9/06, Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main reason everyone should buy into Coldfusion is because its name sounds much cooler then the rest. EOS. (End Of Story) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File
So where is the problem? Is it in dumping to the Access DB or in the download? If it is in dumping to the Access DB, can you not just run a delete and insert query to update with the latest data? How many users? Another solution may be to dump to a comma delimited file which the user downloads and run an automated import using Access on the client side. Chad On 8/21/06, Rod Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chad, Im using access to dump very small sections of data from a much larger SQL database so users can download the access db and run ad hoc reports from it. I am not using access as a primary datasource. And no DTS is not an option - mostly due to security / access concerns to the primary datasource and complexity of the parameters passed into the extraction process. Rgds Rod - Original Message - From: Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File I ran into it, but had to design my app in a manner that didn't require DB creation stuff in an Access file. Main reason I move to SQL. Chad On 8/21/06, Rod Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Currently I am having major issues with creating an MS Access with Unicode datasource via the CF admin api. The datasource is created I pump some data into the access db but then it seems to create a lock file that will not release even after I remove the datasource via the same api. The usual malformed query workaround doesn't seem to release the lock file nor any other workaround I have tried. Has anyone come across this and have a solution that works to release the lock? CF7 Ent on Windows 2003. TIA Rod --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File
I don;t believe that will work, given that you can not manually delete it via FTP. The Access locking file is a pain if you ignore the fact that Access was not designed or recommended to be web enabled. That said, I have had success with it when using it in similar applications to Rod's, as a temporary transfer device. You just have to watch the file size and Access' tendency to blow them out when you don't compress. Chad On 8/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could you program a CFFILE delete of the lock file immedialty after the population of the database? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/08/2006 10:55 am Hi Chad, Im using access to dump very small sections of data from a much larger SQL database so users can download the access db and run ad hoc reports from it. I am not using access as a primary datasource. And no DTS is not an option - mostly due to security / access concerns to the primary datasource and complexity of the parameters passed into the extraction process. Rgds Rod - Original Message - From: Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File I ran into it, but had to design my app in a manner that didn't require DB creation stuff in an Access file. Main reason I move to SQL. Chad On 8/21/06, Rod Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Currently I am having major issues with creating an MS Access with Unicode datasource via the CF admin api. The datasource is created I pump some data into the access db but then it seems to create a lock file that will not release even after I remove the datasource via the same api. The usual malformed query workaround doesn't seem to release the lock file nor any other workaround I have tried. Has anyone come across this and have a solution that works to release the lock? CF7 Ent on Windows 2003. TIA Rod --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File
No, it's an issue w/ Access. Search around for ldb, Access, 'delete locking file' and maybe cold fusion and you may find something. -- The problem is releasing the lock file so users can download the access db I only used Access to upload and update my online SQL DB, not the other way around. To go the other way, I ended up exporting to a text file, having the user download the text file, replace the file on their PC, that was a linked table in the client-side mdb. Chad On 8/21/06, Rod Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is releasing the lock file so users can download the access db. Currently cf retains the lock file no matter what I try to do, while this lock file is present the OS can not delete, rename or remove either the lock file or the access db, so this stops any user gaining access to it. Kinda frustrating. At first I thought there was some sort of error in the insert code but I broke that down to a single query and still I have the same problems. I did a google search but can't dig up any issues with the cf admin api so I can only assume it's either my code or some issue with the OS? - Original Message - From: Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File So where is the problem? Is it in dumping to the Access DB or in the download? If it is in dumping to the Access DB, can you not just run a delete and insert query to update with the latest data? How many users? Another solution may be to dump to a comma delimited file which the user downloads and run an automated import using Access on the client side. Chad On 8/21/06, Rod Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chad, Im using access to dump very small sections of data from a much larger SQL database so users can download the access db and run ad hoc reports from it. I am not using access as a primary datasource. And no DTS is not an option - mostly due to security / access concerns to the primary datasource and complexity of the parameters passed into the extraction process. Rgds Rod - Original Message - From: Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Access Lock File I ran into it, but had to design my app in a manner that didn't require DB creation stuff in an Access file. Main reason I move to SQL. Chad On 8/21/06, Rod Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Currently I am having major issues with creating an MS Access with Unicode datasource via the CF admin api. The datasource is created I pump some data into the access db but then it seems to create a lock file that will not release even after I remove the datasource via the same api. The usual malformed query workaround doesn't seem to release the lock file nor any other workaround I have tried. Has anyone come across this and have a solution that works to release the lock? CF7 Ent on Windows 2003. TIA Rod --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Another QLD CFUG date change, sorry!
Keep going into September and I might be able to attend... Chad On 8/8/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately, due to reasons beyond my control, tonight's QLD CFUG meeting will have to be postponed again. It will now be held on Tuesday the 15th of August. I apologise for any inconvenience this may cause anybody. Rest assured that the fantastic software and book door prizes will still be available on the new night. Regards Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF vs ...
Don't assume he's trolling. We've all asked these questions... and all of us who have been on the front-end of a CF dev house have run into these arguments. The potential client didn't take to well when I said Oh yeah? Well you're just trolling, so shut up! The guy is CF certified and omits .NET and .asp from his skill set, showing PHP and CF, so he has some cred. Besides, we're due for the annual 50-post Us vs. Them schpeel. Someone will break out the server-against-server functionality comparison showing how a .NET box with the same built-in functionality costs 10 times as much, someone else will discuss how much quicker it is to do things in CF, and the rest will rail against Microsoft's monopolistic practices. We will all end up agreeing that CF is ideal for larger applications and will consistently lose out on the punch-and-crunch SME market. But don;t let me spoil the fun... go for it! Chad who's guitar gently weeps On 8/8/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ignore him, the guy's obviously trolling. a couple of glib statements to see who'll bite does not an informed discourse make... I'm actually feeling sorry for the .NET everything ppl**. eg: FlexDataServices is a J2EE app and will prob NEVER be ported over to the .NET runtime ** not really. Hah! On 8/8/06, M@ Bourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just couple other reasons to move out from CF to ASP.NET (as few clients told): Your saying we should move from cf to asp.net ? CF hosting is expensive If cf hosting is to expensive for an employer what makes you think they are going to be able to afford your wage? if a few hundred $'s every year is to much, good luck getting a wage increase Ever!! And good luck getting them to spend a grand on Microsoft licensing server licenses for the market cf is aimed at ain't all that bad. smart employers will choose another language cos its right tool for the right job. Smart companies selling sites etc will use CF as a selling point. the other day our biggest client ($120billionUS market cap) was in and we made some changes in front of there eyes and they said w0w that was so fast, it would have took our IT department 5 weeks, this coldfusion really is quick Now I'd assume someone had told them that cf is quick and hence used cf as a selling point. Easy to find employees with Java/.NET experience It is ?, so there is all these highly skilled devs sitting there with no jobs but are still highly current and highly skilled? same as any market if they want good employees they will have to compete against the competition, there will be a lot of java/.net employees to compete with. at present there is a global skills shortage in pretty much every language. Trends to keep everything around MS WHoopdy d00, there is companies that want to keep everything java, or everything cf etc. M@ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Another QLD CFUG date change, sorry!
If you book it out long-term, maybe I can crash there until we buy a house... Chad On 8/8/06, cfgroupie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are going to Suncorp stadium...ROCKIN I'm in. Jeremy --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CF vs ...
Although I will say that you guys are not alone. The industry-spanning skills shortage issue is the current hot topic in my HR course for my MBA ticket. This could easily branch out into discussions on the strategic decision-making process and influcence of HR and needs requirements... Chad who doesn't really feel like branching just now On 8/8/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, very interesting thread. The trends are not always good, and sometimes the people at the top don't make the right decisions either. We are both a java and CF house, we have been trying to recruit Java developers and a few C# gurus for 3 months and not too many have been able to do the job to the specifications or requirements that are required. But I will also have to say CF is in this same position, the good developers in any language are not out of work very long the rest might get a lucky break or two, but the market is as stated a skill shortage in all languages. It even got to the stage that my boss and agency where offering commission to anyone who knew any top gun java and c# developers. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] OT: Crash with a Brisbane Coder?
Hey all, Apart from my comprehensive and insightful Melbourne presentation on CFAjax (I recall Dude, yeah... that pretty well sucked, but you made me laugh, so cool. ;) ), I am pretty fringe in here these days. But I figure it doesn't hurt to ask... I am relocating to Brisbane in 4-weeks to accept a position in CBD. There is some transition time between the time I start the job and the time I buy a house and move the family up. Just checking to see if anyone up that way has a spare floor for me to crash on for a couple weeks. If so, feel free to contaact me off-group. Cheers, Chad who infrequently asks to sleep over at stranger's houses --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group Meeting
Had a great time, look forward to seeing the group grow based on what we went over at the end. Chad who really went for the sandwiches On 7/21/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark, You read my mind. Thanks to Steve for organising these, I can appreciate the effort it takes. Looking forward to the next one. Regards Dale Fraser From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Friday, 21 July 2006 10:14 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group Meeting Just wanted to say - Great meeting last night guys! Great presentations from both Dale and Chad, and a good turnout. Can't wait till next month. Mark On 7/20/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our next scheduled meeting for the Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group will is TONIGHT at VTR Consulting starting at 7:00pm. This week we will have 2 guest presenters, Dale Fraser and Chad Renando. Dale Fraser Version control is a very important aspect of any development process, and even more so when you are working with a team of developers. Using Subversion with Coldfusion Installing on Windows Configuring SVN Understanding SVN principles Using Keywords Commit / Update Process Tagging / Branching Logging Changes Chad Renando CFAjax is a black box answer for CF programmers looking for an easy introduction to the increasingly every-day world of ajax. Packaged with pre-made examples prime for copy-and-paste integration into your own application, it is a god-send for anyone who knows what they want to do without getting bogged down in the why. Coming from a self-proclaimed copy-and-paste relative hack, the brief presentation will take you on the journey from installation to massive single-page application, without stressing the acronyms like CFC, DOM or COM. The introduction of a short but sweet Tips and Tricks segment will be our closing. This segment is designed to shed some light on some cool program shortcuts and tricks to make developing and designing that much faster. This meeting we will be looking at some nifty Adobe PhotoShop shortcuts to make your life easier. As always there will be giveaways, giveaways and more giveaways including books, t-shirts and webDU merchandise from the last webDU Conference in Sydney. After the meeting we can go to one of the many pubs/cafes nearby for a drink or a feed. Just a reminder about the CFAUSSIE lists, anyone who isn't registered should be. It's the best place to get help or even just have a rant:P Go to the cfaussie google group to register. Hope to see you there. We will be providing refreshments and finger food so if you are looking at coming along please send an RSVP email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can get some indication of numbers. VTR Consulting has moved and is now located at Level 2, 212 Barkly Street, St Kilda. Regards Steve Onnis Victorian CFUG Manager -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone Melbournians good with AJAX?
Hey Steve. I will actually be in town for that one (live in Bendigo, commute to the city 4 days per week). Should be able to make it. Look forward to hearing the time and place. I can add my experience with using CFAjax (http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/). It will be from an angle of how it is possible to copy and paste your way into it without needing to understand the inner-workings. ;) Cheers, Chad On 7/12/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sound very good Something that would go for maybe half hour or so Think you can do something? Will be next Thursday night -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Arbeitman Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 6:22 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Anyone Melbournians good with AJAX? What sort of presentation? How long? I've never been to one of these groups. I might be able to do something regarding ColdFusion and using an Ajax toolkit (Dojo)? Steve Onnis wrote: Just wondering if anyone here from Melbourne is prepared to do a presentation at CFUG on AJAX. Steve --=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C6A5BF.369E2BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Google-AttachSize: 622 !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN HTMLHEAD META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3Dtext/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1 META content=3DMSHTML 6.00.2800.1555 name=3DGENERATOR/HEAD BODY DIVSPAN class=3D015322504-12072006FONT face=3DArial size=3D2Just = wondering if=20 anyone here from Melbourne is prepared to do a presentation at CFUG on=20 AJAX./FONT/SPAN/DIV DIVSPAN class=3D015322504-12072006FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2/FONT/SPANnbsp;/DIV DIVSPAN class=3D015322504-12072006FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2Steve/FONT/SPAN/DIV/BODY/HTML --=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C6A5BF.369E2BF0-- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Victorian ColdFusion Design and Development User Group Meeting
Yeah, even though none of you came to my Bendigo CF User Group meetings when I was programming from home. You missed out. I am considering bringing some of the essence of what could have been by showing up in my briefs sans hygene with peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches... still left over from the meetings. I told Steve I could rehash my presentation on programming without showering, but he opted for the CFAjax stuff instead. I could also bring some 80s Christian Industrial music from my DJ days for giveaways... but I think Steve wants people to show for this one. Oh well. See you there. Chad On 7/13/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like I'll finally get to meet you Chad and Dale - About time considering how often I've seen you both on CFAussie :oD See you next week! Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Help with a SQL Query
Just off the cuff... SELECT TableA.A_Text, TableB.B_Text, TableC.B_ID FROM TableB RIGHT JOIN (TableA LEFT JOIN TableC ON TableA.A_ID = TableC.A_ID) ON TableB.B_ID = TableC.B_ID WHERE TableC.B_ID Is Not Null Grabs everything from TableA and Table B, where something exists in the linking table for B_ID. Chad On 7/10/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what database platform? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:41 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Help with a SQL Query Hi All, I am trying to create a mapping table that will combine data from 2 tables. Table A has the ID, Table B has another, and Table C will have all Table A IDs and Tables B id's that match? So Table C will look something like this Table_C.A_ID | Table_C.B_ID --- 100|300 100|301 121|330 122|331 I have this at the moment which isn't working SELECT Bookings.BO_ID, BookingItems.BI_ID INTOBookingOptions FROM Bookings CROSS JOIN BookingItems Anyone see what it is I am doing wrong? Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: ot: db architecture question
Interesting problem. No technical answers here, but a question to help clarify... By secure, do you mean confidentiality of the data or stability of the information? If it is confidentiality, then the security is tossed as soon as you extract the data into the view, regardless of where it came from. Stability can be addressed on 2 fronts: a) Address the perception that simply querying the data can impact stability. Correct me if I am wrong, but this seems to be more a factor of the efficiency of the querying tool than the SQL data itself. b) Develop a middle-ware solution. If confidentiality is an issue, then that will need to be considered. I developed a solution where information from .dbf files were extracted on a regular basis in XML format based on last update and inserted into a seperate SQL DB every 15 minutes or so, as even looking at dbf files can stuff them up due to date formats and record locking protocols. I could then query my SQL to my heart's content. Be interested in hearing what you come up with. Chad On 7/6/06, grant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok thanks guys - i resent the impilication it's a dailywtf though scott! anyway, you've basically clarified the issue for me. I am now armed to go back to my boss and say, we can do it this way... as for passing in parameters, yes you can query against a view with parameters (as per dale's example above), but you can't actually call a view like you do with a stored proc where you actually *pass* the parameters to the proc. that's all i meant. it may seem a little stupid (why not just use stored procs) but it all comes down to linked views - you can't link stored procs from one server to another, but you can with views. we have a view on the secure server that gets all data relevant to my site, and that view is linked to a view on a non secure server that cf has access to. the cf query pares back the initial dataset with parameters, but what i am after is an abstracted way to query the secure db with those parameters initally. did that make sense? it looks a little like this: secure sql server view (which is linked to the non-secure server): SELECT * FROM db1.tblclients ...which returns a huge resultset. non-secure sql server view: SELECT * FROM db1.the_secure_view_above and the coldfusion query: SELECT * FROM db2.the_non_secure_view_above WHERE clientid = '666' and ultimately what i'd like to be doing in CF is: SELECT * FROM db1.the_secure_view_above WHERE clientid = '666' but unfortunately the ppl in control here don't want me accessing db1(secure) directly. which let me to the initial question. and this following clarifaction. anyway, whatever, we'll get it sorted. i'm off to get my dose of thedailywtf.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
What's going on guys? What can we do to get this User Group up and running again? Persistence for starters. I remember my first Saturday on-air as a community radio DJ with a 4pm slot. I was all excited about the concert tickets I had to give away. Not a caller to be found. Just keep plugging away, don't get frustrated, stay positive, try different things, find out what works. Don't flame us for not going, tell us how great it was, make us wish we were there, make us want to go to the next one. Don't focus on the numbers, or else that's what we will focus on. You focus on the cool stuff, so will we. You're leading this charge. I want to think about what I missed, not how small it was. We all run into this in the dev world. We release a project, no uptake, must be the damn audience. Find out what will work for the audience you have as well as ways of increasing the audience size. There's also a larger issue of Cold Fusion penetration in the marketplace. I never ran into it when selling into the tradition web dev market with players like Atomic Media, Reactive, DT Design, WDG, ARES or Clemenger. Maybe some of the smaller ones, which there are plenty. Good luck, keep your chin up. Glad someones doing it, because it is a hard slog to start anything. Chad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
One of the more abused quotes. JFK was the president of the United States motivating a country during his inauguration. Similar principle, but the scale is off a bit. Sure people need to be responsible for their own action. But they need a leader to show how its done. The group is dormant for a reason, because no one has stepped up. JFK didn't make the point to guilt people into doing it, but as part of his campaign as a man of the people, someone they could relate to and believe in.. For every JFK quote, I am reminded of the classical poets Depeche Mode who pointed out people are people. Soccer and Tsunamis show we will go to great lengths for things we get excited about, things we believe in. Get people excited about Cold Fusion and the CFUG, as well as addressing any barriers such as location or convenience and you have yourself a winner. Keep up the great work, and thkns for pushing through! Chad On 6/23/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If 6 months is a ridiculous amount of time to wait for a meeting, then should we assume that you'll be organising the venue, topics and speakers for the next meeting in 4 weeks time? You'll actually need to have it organised within about 3 weeks, as you'll need to start promoting it for the week leading up to the meeting. I'd bet large sums of money that Steve would accept any and all help in this manner. If you're not happy with what's being offered, and think there's any small amount you can offer, then offer it! These are community meetings. Run for the community, by the community. You could insert a John F Kennedy quote in here about not asking for things, but I won't. Regards Darren Tracey CFUG QLD Manager Australia --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: TONIGHT : Melbourne Coldfusion Design and Development User Group Meeting (Was CFUG)
You have to remember its not just a matter of organising the meeting. The guy from VTR hung around till like 9:30pm. The organise a projector and everything for us. Presenters make time to present, I chase down stuff to give away and the general organising of the event and when no one seems to take an interest then you start to think well what's the point which is exactly why the meetings dropped off in the first place. How can the organiser be interested if no one else is? To abuse another JFK quote: We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard. How can anyone be interested if the organiser isn't? That's just backwards thinking. You're leading us. Lead. Or in another light: Do you know how much effort I put into building web sites? How can I be excited about selling them to you if you're not interested after I hold one presentation? You have to look at it as more than just a meeting. Its a bunch of geeks getting together to talk tech and talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] in general, as a group. You're driving it, you detirmine how the group is protrayed. In time, it will develop its own culture, but the organizer will help determine how it is branded. If you say it is a bunch of geeks, then so be it. You can describe it as you think it should be, or describe it as what you think the target audience is looking for with the objective of increasing the group size, your call. There is a lot of people out there in the community and I hope that we can band together so we can learn from each other and educate each other and everyone can benefit in some way. All we need is your input about topics and such to help the group grow and make it interesting for everyone. My recommendation, try putting some newbie stuff on a hook and see who bites. The topics were all a bit foreign for me. I have been deving on the side since 4.1, but am not much more than a copy and paste hack who can build a decent app with the fundamentals but am not interested in breaking new ground. Part of the issue may be the exclusionary feel of a bunch of seasoned coders doing high-end stuff, making up and comers feel dumb. I have tinkered with asp and php and love the simplicity of CF and have gotten a few others onto it, but it is all a bit daunting for someone starting out. I got a guy who may be intrested, but you guys are light years beyond him. You marketing seems to be focused on the niche of existing CF coders in this group, Keep marketing into that, but try different flavours. It is a bit of selling to choir. What about spamming multimedia studios? Other local developer lists who may want to get the basics on a new lanuage? University students? Look forward to hearing what you come up with!!! Give us the plan and specific tasks, and maybe you might get some takers. Chad --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
Personally, I only charge for time worked. If I work while I eat, I charge. I am not providing services when I am getting myself a sandwich. Same goes for what I expect when I use contractors. Under the other argument, then how long is an allowed lunch break to get what I deserve to compensate what I am not getting otherwise? To address the pain of working on-site, you can compensate for travel by either increasing rates or charging a flat travel cost on top of your rates. I have seen this for anything from industrial maintenance to temporary staffing. Chad On 6/23/06, Mike Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Billing question for contractors ...
The only caveat to that is to cover costs, particularly with fuel prices being what they are. If it is in the same town, cool. But if I have to drive for over 15 minutes, I typically tack on a representitive flat fee to cover costs. This isn't to cover my time so much, as I typically public transport and can work or read en route. Even driving, I am not working for them, so they are not getting value for money by paying for that time. But if it costs me $50 in fuel and car wear to get there and back, I just lost a gross $10 per hour off my rate for a 5-hour job. Chad On 6/23/06, Toby Tremayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Steve - I've come across a number of people who follow the view of charging for being onsite etc, but I have a hard time justifying to myself charging for anything other than just the exact hours I worked on documentation and code etc. Toby On 23/06/2006, at 1:38 PM, Steve Onnis wrote: As a contractor, I would only bill a client for the time I was working. If I go for lunch and I am working while im eating then yeah I would bill you for it. If I totally stop and have a break then no I wouldn't bill you. As an employee I don't get paid for lunch so as a contractor I take the same principle. Taking that contractors view, where do you stop? If I wasn't working on site I would be working from home and I wouldn't have a shower and I would just get up 5 minutes before I am gonna start work and park myself in front of the pc when im ready, so that mean I start billing you from when I drag the sheets off myself in the morning? I would be telling him that he's more than welcome to bring his fresh soup in to the office and eat it there but I wouldn't be paying him for a lunch break if he is actually completely stopping for lunch. Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Kear Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:27 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Billing question for contractors ... Question for those contracting on hourly rates do you bill your clients for lunchtime if you are working on their premises? This arises from a conversation I had with a colleague the other day. I noted down the time we left the office to go buy a sandwich across the road, and he asked what i did that for. I said well I'm not going to bill him for going to buy lunch. My colleague said that he always billed for that time. His logic was .. if he wasnt hired by this client, he wouldn't be at that office. Most likely he'd be working at home having fresh vegetable soup and toast and a bit of this and a bit of that. And more than likely a bit of the other as well. So he was only getting a meazly sandwich for lunch because the client wanted him working on the client's premises. Ergo, the client should pay for his time. If he was working on his own premises, he reasoned, he'd be clocking on and off the job on his own schedule. What do the rest of you make of this? what do you to? Am I dudding myself by only billing the client for hours spent actually working on his project? -- Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting from AUD$15/month --- Life is poetry, write it in your own words --- Toby Tremayne Senior Technical Consultant Lyricist Software 0416 048 090 ICQ: 13107913 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Saving Images into Database
I assume it is an older version of Crystal? http://support.businessobjects.com/communityCS/TechnicalPapers/cr_insert_images.pdf.asp?ref=devzone_reporting_main Chad On 6/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crystal Reports require the image to be in a database. If only it were that simple. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/06/2006 11:28 am Save them to disk? Or does that sound too simple? :D Mark On 6/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I use CFX_PUTIMAGE to save images into my database. I find it very slow. Is there any alternatives? -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Saving Images into Database
Oh, and here: http://www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=3609 Chad On 6/21/06, Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume it is an older version of Crystal? http://support.businessobjects.com/communityCS/TechnicalPapers/cr_insert_images.pdf.asp?ref=devzone_reporting_main Chad On 6/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crystal Reports require the image to be in a database. If only it were that simple. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/06/2006 11:28 am Save them to disk? Or does that sound too simple? :D Mark On 6/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I use CFX_PUTIMAGE to save images into my database. I find it very slow. Is there any alternatives? -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Saving Images into Database
or I suppose you could Google yourself... or I could get my links together in one post... ;) http://www.andreavb.com/forum/viewtopic_4396.html Chad On 6/21/06, Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and here: http://www.tek-tips.com/faqs.cfm?fid=3609 Chad On 6/21/06, Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I assume it is an older version of Crystal? http://support.businessobjects.com/communityCS/TechnicalPapers/cr_insert_images.pdf.asp?ref=devzone_reporting_main Chad On 6/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Crystal Reports require the image to be in a database. If only it were that simple. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/06/2006 11:28 am Save them to disk? Or does that sound too simple? :D Mark On 6/21/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I use CFX_PUTIMAGE to save images into my database. I find it very slow. Is there any alternatives? -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: CFJSON was:microshaft web framework
Looking at the competencies listed on your website, I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. Dissecting cfajax may give you what you need. http://www.indiankey.com/cfajax/ Chad On 6/15/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone out there with Ajax experience explain how to return arrays to JS and use it within Javascript, I seem to be hitting a brick wall doing this. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile : 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Eclipse vs Dreamweaver
Used both CFEclipse and DW for single-developer environment, several years on DW, about 12 months on Eclipse. From discussions in the past, it seems to be personal preference. DW has a bad stigma from being a resource hog, but now that I have a faster 'puter, I'm back to DW. I don;t use design view and frequently bounce back and forth between coding and ftp in the same app, which is good. Chad On 6/9/06, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use eclipse because of it's intergration with version control. I use cvs and vss and plan to use subversion or Darcs. Plus it has local history as well. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: [OT] Dreamweaver not overwritting files
I have. I suspect it has something to do with dreamweaver not overwriting a file if it is seen as the same on the server. I typically delete the server file and reupload, although I suppose you could try the opposite and move the local to a safe place, refresh, then move it back and try. The only other time I have seen this is when I was uploading to the wrong spot or fixing the wrong file to upload. Chad On 6/8/06, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the checkout option enabled in dreamweaver, and it's just not overwritting any files after changes are made. I have to go on the server delete the file and upload it from the local machine. It doesn't happen with every file. Anyone seen this before? -- Taco Fleur - http://www.pacificfox.com.au Web Design, Web development, Graphic Design and Complete Internet Solutions an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: [OT] SPAM laws
I can't recall the exact terminology, but 1, you have to have a functioning unsubscribe ability, be it automatic or manual; and 2. they have to have subscribed explicitly or by nature of the business dealings. eg. I would send my customers scheduled emails pertaining to services they received, but if I were to send my web clients an email from an unsolicited affiliate, it would be suspect. Chad On 5/3/06, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering whether anyone could direct me into the direction of a document that sort of spells our what SPAM exactly is, i.e. when is an email to someone SPAM and illegal. For example; say I would copy someones email address and name from this mailing list and emailed him/her an email offering our services, would that be classed as SPAM, even if it had an unsubscribe link at the bottom? Just checking before we do anything illegal on a clients request ;-) -- Taco Fleur - http://www.pacificfox.com.au Web Design, Web development, Graphic Design and Complete Internet Solutions an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Quoting - calculate the planning to dev to testing ratio
The wonderful debate over what is known as prop work. How much do you give them before you start charging? This can range from documentation to design. Larger studios have the benefit of developed intelectual property of automated templates and well structured methodology to handle a wide range of projects. If there is doubt as to the scope of the project, be up front about it. Quote what you know, build in boundries and a project schedule that allows for quote review at the milestones. It's all about open communication. As Covey says, Win-Win-No Deal. Either they win and you win, or no deal and that's OK. Chad who says no deal... and that's OK On 4/18/06, Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to come up with some sort of rough basis so that we can get a ballpark figure back to the client before launching into the Func spec stage. Some dont even want to progress past intial quote with out knowing how much they are letting themselves in for. This, on smaller projects means its a waste of time (because we dont get paid) to go out and do a func spec only for the client to say no. Someone told me that this stuff exists somewhere, but I havent been able to find it. Probably because I am a developer not a project manager. Lets say we have these categories: Func Spec Tech Spec Development Test Scripts Testing Rework Dev documentation User Documentation Implementation What proportion of your time would you spend on these if say your dev hours for project x were 5 days? On 4/18/06, Chad Renando [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No formula here. Factors to consider include the experience of the programmer, the intellectual property of the studio, the level of customization required (including use of pre-built and pre-tested code), the amount of support available for similar types of application (bleeding edge technology vs. crunch and punch), and the main time delayer... amount of client-supplied content or requirements involved. Or you could just use the factor of 2. How long until you're finished? Oh, a couple of hours When will you deliver? In a couple of days How long for build? 2 weeks When will we get paid? In a couple of months :) Chad who will be done in a couple of hours On 4/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit OT I know but does any one work with a formula that takes an estimated number of hours in dev and then calculates (roughly) how much time is required for specs, dev, documentation, testing? -- Duncan I Loxton [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Quoting - calculate the planning to dev to testing ratio
No formula here. Factors to consider include the experience of the programmer, the intellectual property of the studio, the level of customization required (including use of pre-built and pre-tested code), the amount of support available for similar types of application (bleeding edge technology vs. crunch and punch), and the main time delayer... amount of client-supplied content or requirements involved. Or you could just use the factor of 2. How long until you're finished? Oh, a couple of hours When will you deliver? In a couple of days How long for build? 2 weeks When will we get paid? In a couple of months :) Chad who will be done in a couple of hours On 4/18/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit OT I know but does any one work with a formula that takes an estimated number of hours in dev and then calculates (roughly) how much time is required for specs, dev, documentation, testing? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] tvguide.com.au
Crash, bang, boom of a CF site. I wonder what kind of traffic they get? Might be some job opps opening up or maybe just some hosting opportunities maybe? ;) Chad - The web site you are accessing has experienced an unexpected error. Please contact the website administrator. The following information is meant for the website developer for debugging purposes. Error Occurred While Processing Request Error Executing Database Query. [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Database 'users' cannot be opened because it is offline. The error occurred in D:\web\tvguide.com.au\index.cfm: line 32 30 : select person_id, password 31 : from users.dbo.person 32 : where person_id = #Val(cookie.person_id)# 33 : /cfquery 34 : SQLselect person_id, password from users.dbo.person where person_id = 2617356 DATASOURCEhww_sql VENDORERRORCODE 942 SQLSTATE HY000 Resources: * Check the ColdFusion documentation to verify that you are using the correct syntax. * Search the Knowledge Base to find a solution to your problem. Browser Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.9) Gecko/20050711 Firefox/1.0.5 (ax) Remote Address 58.104.59.236 Referrer Date/Time 31-Mar-06 02:01 PM Stack Trace at cfindex2ecfm1650242660.runPage(D:\web\tvguide.com.au\index.cfm:32) at cfindex2ecfm1650242660.runPage(D:\web\tvguide.com.au\index.cfm:32) java.sql.SQLException: [Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Database 'users' cannot be opened because it is offline. at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseExceptions.createException(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseExceptions.getException(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.sqlserver.tds.TDSRequest.processErrorToken(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.sqlserver.tds.TDSRequest.processReplyToken(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.sqlserver.tds.TDSRequest.processReply(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.sqlserver.SQLServerImplStatement.getNextResultType(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseStatement.commonTransitionToState(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseStatement.postImplExecute(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseStatement.commonExecute(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseStatement.executeInternal(Unknown Source) at macromedia.jdbc.base.BaseStatement.execute(Unknown Source) at coldfusion.server.j2ee.sql.JRunStatement.execute(JRunStatement.java:212) at coldfusion.sql.Executive.executeQuery(Executive.java:719) at coldfusion.sql.Executive.executeQuery(Executive.java:652) at coldfusion.sql.Executive.executeQuery(Executive.java:613) at coldfusion.sql.SqlImpl.execute(SqlImpl.java:236) at coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag.doEndTag(QueryTag.java:499) at cfindex2ecfm1650242660.runPage(D:\web\tvguide.com.au\index.cfm:32) at coldfusion.runtime.CfJspPage.invoke(CfJspPage.java:152) at coldfusion.tagext.lang.IncludeTag.doStartTag(IncludeTag.java:349) at coldfusion.filter.CfincludeFilter.invoke(CfincludeFilter.java:65) at coldfusion.filter.ApplicationFilter.invoke(ApplicationFilter.java:210) at coldfusion.filter.PathFilter.invoke(PathFilter.java:86) at coldfusion.filter.ExceptionFilter.invoke(ExceptionFilter.java:69) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserDebugFilter.invoke(BrowserDebugFilter.java:52) at coldfusion.filter.ClientScopePersistenceFilter.invoke(ClientScopePersistenceFilter.java:28) at coldfusion.filter.BrowserFilter.invoke(BrowserFilter.java:38) at coldfusion.filter.GlobalsFilter.invoke(GlobalsFilter.java:38) at coldfusion.filter.DatasourceFilter.invoke(DatasourceFilter.java:22) at coldfusion.filter.RequestThrottleFilter.invoke(RequestThrottleFilter.java:115) at coldfusion.CfmServlet.service(CfmServlet.java:107) at coldfusion.bootstrap.BootstrapServlet.service(BootstrapServlet.java:78) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:86) at com.seefusion.Filter.doFilter(Filter.java) at com.seefusion.SeeFusion.doFilter(SeeFusion.java) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.doFilter(FilterChain.java:94) at jrun.servlet.FilterChain.service(FilterChain.java:101) at jrun.servlet.ServletInvoker.invoke(ServletInvoker.java:91) at jrun.servlet.JRunInvokerChain.invokeNext(JRunInvokerChain.java:42) at jrun.servlet.JRunRequestDispatcher.invoke(JRunRequestDispatcher.java:257) at jrun.servlet.ServletEngineService.dispatch(ServletEngineService.java:541) at jrun.servlet.jrpp.JRunProxyService.invokeRunnable(JRunProxyService.java:204) at jrunx.scheduler.ThreadPool$DownstreamMetrics.invokeRunnable(ThreadPool.java:318) at
[cfaussie] Re: Dealing with a random number of images
Just jumping in from left field here and may not be of help, but have you ever used MS Access? I find it quite handy as a drag and drop SQL generator. I tend to recreate all my databases in Access so I can hack and play and have it create the SQL for me. I know Enterprise does the same, but I find Access a quick and dirty means to an end. Chad who spends most of his time in left field. On 3/22/06, Seona Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, No probs. Thanks for your help anyway, and thanks for the pointer to the forum. I'm headed over there now. :) Cheers, Seona. On 22/03/06, Scott Thornton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, maybe you could ask over at macromedia exchange, there is a forum there exclusive to flash-forms within the coldfusion topic. http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/categories.cfm?forumid=1catid=22entercat=y I guess you need a sort of multiple detail section to display all of the photos, but only once for the property details. I don't know much about these new fandangled forms, sorry. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: waaaay OT: WebDU gift: the Logitech camera
exactly. Chad who still codes, despite threads such as this On 3/8/06, Steve Onnis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chad who?? -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Renando Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:16 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: wy OT: WebDU gift: the Logitech camera Chad has quite the influence in signatures now, as i do this all the time amongst friends offline. I have such a short time on this earth, and I desire to make such an impact... and if all I am remembered for is the personalisation of that which is personal to begin with, then may I quit now. Chad who would speak of himself in the third person at all times, if allowed --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] files now only 0k
Hey guys, Cffile, uploads files to the server. All of a sudden, files are 0k. Tried different file types. goes through the upload, browser takes the time to upoload it, but when I check on the server, the file size is 0k. Anyone had this happen to them before? Chad who has bad breath today --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: files now only 0k
Found it. Setting on server limiting site to a file size. Have opened to unlimited, now all is well in this house. Chad who has many areas in his life he wishes to open to unlimited On 2/17/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Form Encrytption Type MultiPart? Has this changed? Regards Dale Fraser -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chad Renando Sent: Friday, 17 February 2006 13:34 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] files now only 0k Hey guys, Cffile, uploads files to the server. All of a sudden, files are 0k. Tried different file types. goes through the upload, browser takes the time to upoload it, but when I check on the server, the file size is 0k. Anyone had this happen to them before? Chad who has bad breath today --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Trying to create a threading system
To me, Basic threading is a single post system where you have one topic, and users can post responses to that one topic. As soon as you have multiple threads from the one topic, it goes beyond Basic. What I did was something like: TOPIC_TABLE TopicID Topic WhateverElse POST_TABLE PostID TopicID ParentPostID Post WhateverElse For the given Topic, you get all recursive-like with your posts. There's a few open source php boards that are pretty easy to customize and hack into. I just got through the learning curve with osCommerce, a php shopping cart system. It's not too painful, I've had broken bones that were worse. Chad who randomly adjusts his definition of painful On 2/13/06, Seona Bellamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I'm trying to create a VERY basic message-board-type system (I've had a look around and I can't seem to find a CF one that's as basic as we want it). I'm having some throuble figuring out how to properly thread the messages. I started with the idea of two tables: * thread assigns each new thread an ID, and records some basic information about when it was created and by whom. * post stores the details of each individual post, including a threadID column to record what thread it belongs to and a replyTo column to record what previous post it is in reply to. First question: is this the best way to go about it? It made sense to me when I created it, but now that I'm trying to output the data I'm having trouble figuring out how to work it. I'm pretty sure that grouping and/or ordering needs to come into this somewhere, but I'm having trouble working out how and where each of these bits fits in. So far I've managed a lot of different permutations, but none that are really workable. Has anyone done something like this before? Any suggestions about how I could make it work? Ideally, I'd like to end up with a simple bulleted list so that this sort of thing can happen: * Thread 1, post 1 * Thread 1, post 2 * Thread 1, post 3 * Thread 1, post 5 * Thread 1, post 4 * Thread 2, post 1 * Thread 2, post 2 * Thread 2, post 3 * Thread 2, post 6 * Thread 2, post 4 * Thread 2, post 5 Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Cheers, Seona.
[cfaussie] Re: project management
Depends on what they are talking about. I see project management as the abiity to meet deliverables within constraints. Sounds like they may be talking about methodology, which defines the project to be managed. Each studio has their own favour, with each stage having dleiverables, something like this: 01-Identification *Creative Brief *Proposal 02-Definition *Functional Specification *Wireframes 03-Initial Concepts *Designs *Storyboards *Proof of Technology *DB Schema 04-Development *DB Build *Site Build *Admin Build 05-Deliver Maintenance Chad who has his own flavour On 1/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi all its been a while, hope you are all ok i have just started a new contract. on all past contracts i have applied what i know about project management, and i have done very well, the client is happy, the sofftware is good, full project management to a t but recently, i have started work with another company, and they require a 'standard' project management plan that fits in with the 'corporate way to do it' method although i am well versed n project management in my own scope, does anyone have any 'standard' ways of project management. it amazes me how much companies will spend to have something done in their way, rather than using methods which i know work. i realize that this could be a statement which could open a can of worms, but hey, here we go, just wondered about the methods used many thanks jamie
