Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, etc) He has no issues going across the Atlantic

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

These boats are OLD now. The original wiring C did during that time period was crap to put it mildly, so stupid owner tricks or not the wiring would need redoing unless the boat never got near any salt water. There is almost no original wiring left on my boat. Do not forget you are buying a

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

My Landfall 39 has crossed the Pacific a couple of time with previous owners. Although not a light air boat (compared to the LF38), It feels solid under full sail in 25kt winds. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LF39 1988253-208-1412Port Orchard YC wa. Original message From: Jeff

Re: Stus-List question

Greetings Camille and welcome to the list!  My LF38 has not had your issue. But. When I upgraded the steering pedestal we found that the cockpit sole had completely desalinated, so, we had about a 2'x3' piece of marine plywood vacuum sealed with fiberglass resin and new holes drilled, with

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Lots of offshore miles on my 40. The new owner is about to head back from the Bahamas to NY. Friends remarked after a trip to Bermuda on their 49 one fall that when the wind got DOWN to 30 it felt like they were becalmed. :) they got through the ordeal with no damage. Andy Andrew Burton 139

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Shawn, I did think about the slip costs and that is most certainly an item that can add a good bit to the monthly average. We paid for slip fees in Annapolis up until 2003 and while fees in A-town are quite expensive, the back-yard marina that we kept the boat in is owned by close friends so

Stus-List Boat buying

Hey I find it amusing that everyone states ‘good boats are cheap and a dime a dozen’ but the people trying to actually find a boat to buy are never able to find those boats. The actual boat buying people state ‘all i see are crap overpriced boats’. So the truth

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

1I saw a C in Uruguay. It's hailing port was in Delaware. So there is that. My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally well built, strong boats. That being said, "Are the good blue water boats?" I would suggest no. They typically have less tankage than other similar

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Josh, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  It's very easy to dream you'll throw off the lines and not come home for 6 months or more.  Then the day to day realities close in, especially if you have a spouse who may like to sail but isn't thrilled with the long-term prospects.  Owning a bigger boat

Stus-List C as offshore boat?

John, Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, do just leaving from here? Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase. A club member spent all last year preparing

Stus-List Shawn's delimma

Shawn, I failed to answer one of your questions. And rather than extend the long thread, I’ll post this and then be done. Your questions was: "What do you think she would sell for today? “ I’m afraid the answer truthfully, is, nothing. “Ronin" is in bits and pieces and in varying stages of

Stus-List LF38 Looking for help getting Stability Information ?

Hi, I am trying to find stability information to use as part of the OSR requirement. Section3.04. for my 1984 Landfall 38. Does anyone know if there was ever a calculation done as part of the original design, or if any other owner may have a certificate issued ? Either STIX, AVS, ORC or IRC is

Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

Dennis After reading what others have said went back out to the boat and redid the measurement and it came out approximately the same - 67 degrees either direction for 134 degrees travel lock to lock. However, sailing on a tack the helm is move no more than 1/16 of a full turn, before the

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Shawn, I agree with Bruce..Let this one goIf you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "Don't spend them of stuff like thisRonImpromptuC 38 MKII1977.My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't want to know how much time and money

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Walk away. Life is too short and parts too expensive to justify a project boat IMO. On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:02 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Here in BC, good boats seem to move quickly if they are priced fairly. > There is a C 30 for $55K which hasn't sold,

Re: Stus-List question

I can speak from experience on my LF38. Your problem is most likely a misalignment in the upper rudder bearing--the one mounted right below the helm mounted with 4 bolts. The correction is probably best performed out of the water. Simply loosen the four bolts & move the bearing until the

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

IMHO, you can get a lot of boat for $20K these days if you’re willing to buy an older one and have the patience to find a good one. I paid $25K for my 1978 34 in the 1990s. I ended up selling it about six years ago for $22K. In the meantime, I repainted the hull, added a barrier coat on the

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really great turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per a friend who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ. Jim Galaxy 34 Get Outlook for Android

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Jim, I think your friend is overly pessimistic. We are not seeing that kind of differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates (MD, VA, SC, FL). Neil 1982 C 32, FoxFire Rock Hall MD Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker From: CnC-List On Behalf Of jim aridas via

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Other issues are fresh water v. salt water, regional economic conditions, how far away you’re willing to look (with inspection/delivery complications), etc. It sounds like you’re down to two issues, specifically the electrical system and the complicated engine (although you know a lot about

Re: Stus-List Delivery Captain?

Hi Edd, I just reached out to the guy that Delivered our boat from Tom's River NJ to Westport, MA. a few years ago. Nice guy and very reasonable.  He's from Annapolis I believe. I'll forward on his contact info if he gets back to me. Danny Rum Runner IV Tartan 40 Mattapoisett, MA On

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35-2 concerns

For comparison, this boat is near me, for $32,500 CAD, so $24K US. It is a new listing, so I'll see how long it lasts. I find the galley on the Mk1 quite small (from the photos) which is one reason I haven't looked at it. https://thunderbirdmarine.com/yacht-sales/35-cc-mk-i/ There is also a '74

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Shawn, I'm still lurking here. My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have all been to Bermuda. Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore, but obviously, others have different standards. Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe. Joel Formerly The Office On

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Here in BC, good boats seem to move quickly if they are priced fairly. There is a C 30 for $55K which hasn't sold, and another very nice one at $24K which also hasn't sold, but I've watched several average condition Catalina 30s sell for 20K in the past year. A Hunter 31 sold last week for $25K

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Matthew, Interestingly, this boat has had much of the work you describe done by the previous owner - hull & deck painted, barrier coat, delamination fixed with epoxy, new holding tank, retabbed bulkheads. The electrical panel is ugly and original, and the engine install is very complex and messy,

Stus-List question

Hi, We just signed in the CnC-List mailing list and we would have a question concerning our C boat Landfall 38. We live in Québec and we are french speaking so I'll try to express myself as good as I can :) We find that the streering wheel is harder to turn then other C we have tried. We have

Stus-List C as offshore boat?

I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35-2 concerns

FYI https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html No relation to this ad, but the boat sounds nice. Joe Coquina ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Shawn, Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II. I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant headwinds for days on end. I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

My 35 has been to Bermuda and back 3 times. We have a 30 on the list someplace that has crossed the Atlantic and I know of a 35 that went around the world. With some obvious exceptions (SR series) C are fine for offshore IMHO. We saw all kind of weather including around 50 knots and breaking

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

I've sailed my boat along the coast of Washington, no more than fifteen miles offshore. In my more than fifty years of sailing, the waters along the Washington coast are the worst in which I've ever sailed. Strongest winds I've ever encountered were forty-two knots true, sailing DDW in the Straits

Re: Stus-List question

Make sure the cables are aligned so that they aren't rubbing on the quadrant. Then lube the cable, chain and turning blocks with motor oil. There should also be a delrin washer around the rudder post, under the collar that keeps the rudder from falling down. You said you don't have a grease cup,

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

Almost forgot: I once sold some gear to a C 39 owner on his way around the world. He started the trip in an Alberg 35 and got frustrated with the lack of speed. He loved the 39 ☺ Joe ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

Corsair, a 1981 40-2, has been to Bermuda three times with friends, but mostly family. Every trip to and fro we had all the usual weather stuff...gales (50 knots +) Gulf Stream fun and was even pooped. I never thought for a minute about her build or design capabilities out there. And we kept

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks, Dave. I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks, Alan. How do you find the 35-3 compares with the Ericson 2-30 in terms of build and sailing properties? I know they are different sizes from different eras, but just curious. Ericson was my first choice for a while until I basically gave up finding a good one locally. I've seen on only one

Re: Stus-List question LF38 steering

Camille, I originally had steering which was stiff and somewhat resistant to turning. My problem turned out to be old dry crusted grease in the rudder tube. After dropping the rudder, cleaning out the old, and replacing the rudder lubed with SuperLube, resulted in nice smooth steering. I

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38. Anyone heard from Wally lately? Joe Coquina From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:06 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Shawn Wright

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

According to stories from the previous owner my 35-1 sailed across the Atlantic and back with either the first or second owner. On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List, < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Thanks, Dave. > > I think there is probably a big difference between going

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it. Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port Berkeley, CA. I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this mail list as far as

Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several times we ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that are impossible to keep up with unless you sail in them often. Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the bottom when thrown

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Incidentally, I forgot to mention, that Catalina 390 sailed like a barge compared to my 30 MK I. Randy > On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List > wrote: > > Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it. > > Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a

Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

I'm not convinced you can throw an anchor far enough to kedge. You wouldn't have a lot of scope and you'd be pulling up rather than horizontally. I've always thought that kedging was best accomplished by hauling an anchor well away from the boat with a dinghy or floating it out on a PFD. I was

Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

Welcome back Charlie ! Sorry I have only touched a bit in Whittaker creek so no kedging yet. But I do have the danforth in the lazzarette so following along. See you in Oriental, any plans to swing by for a few Wed nights? John Conklin S/V Halcyon > On Apr 24, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Charles

Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

I am with Dennis on that. I don’t believe there is an anchor that you can throw by hand far enough to use for kedging. I have been in a similar situation (very long time ago) and we used a PFD and some floor planks to ferry the anchor far enough to get us off the shoal (a number of times, way

Stus-List C as offshore boat

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for

Re: Stus-List Shawn's delimma

Same exact boat here as you know Dave, so I will pony up for all those parts and pieces for sure ! :)  But Please don’t go anywhere except more sailing! John Conklin S/V Halcyon On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Shawn, I failed to

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat

There seem to be two schools of thought about what makes a good passage making boat. Traditionalists prefer something big, heavy and slow. So you can carry a lot of food, water, and spares on long passages, and so you can survive the bad weather that invariably will catch up with you.

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

I couldn't find my digital copy of the file so I had to make another. I apologize for the relatively poor quality. The readability leaves something to be desired as well since it is formated for a magazine. https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fyLKgkAzk36kq2tUUxg84yaWjqhGfcc/view?usp=drivesdk

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to

Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

Dennis; I thought that the process on an LST was to drop the kedge anchor on the way into the shore so it was in place already when you wanted to get the h#ll out of Dodge after unloading the grunts. Charlie; My kedge anchor/lunch hook is a Fortress FX25 on 30 feet of chain on a

Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

Hi Charlie, never thought I could throw an anchor far enough to work as a kedge. I've run aground many times with our old 7'4" fin keel, and our newer 6' 3" fin keel. The advantage of a fin is that when you do hit bottom, you remain very upright. And the fin presents so little area that we we

Stus-List C hull-deck joint & windows

Interesting point about the Ericson window issue - while C has changed window designs a few times, Ericsons maintained the same frames for most of their production, and they do seem to develop leaks. The boats with not teak around the windows have aged well, but I've seen many newer ones with lots

Re: Stus-List Delivery Captain?

>From where to where? Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay Subject: Stus-List Delivery Captain? Listers,

Re: Stus-List Delivery Captain?

City Island, NY to Venice, FL On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Neil Andersen wrote: From where to where? Neil Andersen 20691 Jamieson Rd Rock Hall, MD 21661 From: CnC-List on behalf of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:18 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Edd Schillay

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Shawn That's not much money to pay for a boat. This is why you are finding issues. A 35 footer in great shape would cost much more. If you want less issues for that price consider the c 30. That said I am sure you can sort through the issues at your own pace and comfort. The windows are

Stus-List Delivery Captain?

Listers, Does anyone have a recommendation for an east-coast delivery captain? I have already reached out to fellow lister Andy Burton, but would like to get a few quotes. All the best, Edd --- Edd M. Schillay Captain of the “Starship Enterprise” C 37+

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Hi Shawn,Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the right boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right