Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On 12 Jun 2018, at 00:08, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > Dear CEO, > > "All the votes went to the only candidate"; how can you assert that if "none > of above" votes were not casted and published? "none of above" was simply > ignored for the GC election in 2017 in clear violation of the

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

director. > Thanks > > Marcus > > ------------ > From: Alan Barrett > Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:34:39 AM > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western > Africa

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

rationality and procedural failure are making afrinic set bad precedences. Thanks Marcus From: Alan Barrett Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:34:39 AM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On 9 Jun 2018, at 01:27, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > If "none of the above" votes were counted to determine the winner, they > should have been published. I am inclined to agree. We can avoid that mistake in future. > For GC election in 2017, there was only one candidate; " none of

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

lves and do the > right thing. Better late than never.. > > > > Marcus > From: Dabu Sifiso mailto:dabu.sif...@yandex.com>> > Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 9:27:37 AM > To: General Discussions of AFRINIC > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty resu

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 9:27:37 AM To: General Discussions of AFRINIC Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections "none of the above" was counted in 2017: https://youtu.be/HSJCRrKoOgs 08.06.2018, 03:37, "Marcus

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Là Ben de Liquid Telecoms, vous allez loin dans vos allégations! En tant que candidat, j'ai la conviction que que c'est bien une MAJORITE qui a jugé utile de répartir leurs voix entre n

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Le ven. 8 juin 2018 à 13:38, DANIEL NANGHAKA a écrit : > > Currently there are issues that weren't finalised. > And also note how board has since gone quite on issue of work place > harrasment and IC report. > Those issue with staff are responsibility of CEO, not the BoD That it is now public

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

if you > could spare some few minutes from your heavy schedule to do justice to my > questions? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Marcus > > > -------------- > > *From:* Marcus K. G. Adomey > *Sent:* Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:32

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

that happening Andrew From: DANIEL NANGHAKA [mailto:dndann...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 June 2018 12:16 To: Marcus K. G. Adomey Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AfriNIC Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Why can't

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

gt; To: m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss; > Ornella GANKPA > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western > Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections > > Hello, > > Thanks Ornella and others who has been actively parti

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

18 AM > *To:* m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss; > Ornella GANKPA > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for > Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections > > Hello, > > Thanks Ornella and others who has been activel

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

From: Marcus K. G. Adomey Sent: Saturday, June 2, 2018 10:32:18 AM To: m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss; Ornella GANKPA Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Hello

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 22:03 , Omo Oaiya wrote: > > On 7 June 2018 at 17:27, Owen DeLong > wrote: > > >> On Jun 7, 2018, at 08:36 , Omo Oaiya > > wrote: >> >> There lies the fallacy in your interpretation and your presumption to speak >>

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On 7 June 2018 at 17:27, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Jun 7, 2018, at 08:36 , Omo Oaiya wrote: > > There lies the fallacy in your interpretation and your presumption to > speak for Ashok. > > > I do not speak for Ashok nor did I ever claim that I did. I do refer to > Ashok’s own statements on

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 08:36 , Omo Oaiya wrote: > > There lies the fallacy in your interpretation and your presumption to speak > for Ashok. I do not speak for Ashok nor did I ever claim that I did. I do refer to Ashok’s own statements on the matter. There lies one of the many fallacies in

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

There lies the fallacy in your interpretation and your presumption to speak for Ashok. Nowhere in our guidelines does it say that the “None of the Above” option receiving the plurality of the votes means a win in other than the case of a sole candidate. On the other hand, the guidelines

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 07:45, Omo Oaiya wrote: > > >> On 7 June 2018 at 15:16, Owen DeLong wrote: >> The result is not broken. The guidelines need to be improved to avoid the >> potential for the proposed alternate and illogical conclusion and provide >> greater clarity. > > I marvel at

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On 7 June 2018 at 15:16, Owen DeLong wrote: > The result is not broken. The guidelines need to be improved to avoid the > potential for the proposed alternate and illogical conclusion and provide > greater clarity. > I marvel at your logic. The result was derived form same guidelines that have

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

The result is not broken. The guidelines need to be improved to avoid the potential for the proposed alternate and illogical conclusion and provide greater clarity. That can be achieved without further answers from board, legal, or CEO. I realize that doesn’t provide the outcome that those

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Là Ben de Liquid Telecoms, vous allez loin dans vos allégations! En tant que candidat, j'ai la conviction que que c'est bien une MAJORITE qui a jugé utile de répartir leurs voix entre nos deux candidats! Nous évitons de nous positionner individuellement en face de "ceux-là". Please check

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, 12:44 p.m. Ben Roberts, wrote: > But isn’t this an academic discussion? > > I’m not seeing any of the candidates that were rejected by majority by the > members raising any requests to appeal? > We have major issues that need answers in order to fix the flaws that are

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Bien sûr Mr Ben de Liquid Telecom! Tu n'es pas habilité à escamoter une question dont tu n'es pas le destinataire! Un peu de respect à ceux qui ont posé la question! Pas seulement ceux qui ont posé la question au Conseil d'Administration, au Directeur Général et Conseiller juridique, il

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

But isn’t this an academic discussion? I’m not seeing any of the candidates that were rejected by majority by the members raising any requests to appeal? Sent from my iPhone On 7 Jun 2018, at 12:40, Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> wrote: On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, 12:34 p.m. Ben Roberts,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, 12:34 p.m. Ben Roberts, wrote: > Are we really still talking about this? > Oh yes and folks will appreciate some answers from the Board, the CEO or the legal councel who are somehoe dodging the question "why the 2017 results never took into consideration the "None of the

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Are we really still talking about this? From: Noah [mailto:n...@neo.co.tz] Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2018 9:31 PM To: John Walu Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC ; AfriNIC Discuss ; Owen DeLong Subject: Re: [members-discuss] [Community-Discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018, 9:18 a.m. John Walu, wrote: > Just looking at this discussion thread and thinking: > > **Does AfriNIC have an election appeal process?* > I have checked the entire website including the bylaws and I cant find anything like it.. Can Nomcom folks perhaps clarify if there is

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Le mar. 5 juin 2018 à 20:43, Gregoire Ehoumi via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> a écrit : > > The below question / request for clarification from Marcus is still > unanswered. > Please, Can CEO, legal counsel, Nomcom/election committee 2017 or board > clarify the difference

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Ornella GANKPA > *Sent:* Friday, June 1, 2018 5:34:13 PM > *To:* m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for > Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections > > > Hi Mark > > My co

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gmm-elections> - 2018 Marcus From: Ornella GANKPA Sent: Friday, June 1, 2018 5:34:13 PM To: m...@posix.co.za; General Discussions of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Hi Mark My co

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Just looking at this discussion thread and thinking: **Does AfriNIC have an election appeal process?* IF Yes-that should be invoked by the complainant and should kick in. IF NOT- then someone should propose one, so that we update our the Election Guidelines. Otherwise nominations were done,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On Jun 1, 2018, at 10:34 , Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > Hi Mark > > My comments inline > > Le 30/05/2018 à 19:13, Mark Elkins a écrit : >> >> >> On 30/05/2018 19:20, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: >>> Owen, >>> >>> 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong >> >: >>> Arnaud,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Hi Mark My comments inline Le 30/05/2018 à 19:13, Mark Elkins a écrit : On 30/05/2018 19:20, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: Owen, 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong >: Arnaud, While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that there is some

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Mark Le mer. 30 mai 2018 18:14, Mark Elkins a écrit : > > What would the point of that be then - or are people confusing "None of > the above" with "Abstain" ? > It could mean "abstain", "dislike the election" "none of the proposed candidates suits me", etc... It is very important to

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

> On May 30, 2018, at 11:13 , Mark Elkins wrote: > > > > On 30/05/2018 19:20, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: >> Owen, >> >> 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong > >: >> Arnaud, >> >> While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that there is >> some

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On 30/05/2018 19:20, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: > Owen,  > > 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong >: > > Arnaud, > > While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that > there is some validity to the claim that none of the above MAY not > have

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Owen, 2018-05-29 22:34 GMT+00:00 Owen DeLong : > Arnaud, > > While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that there is > some validity to the claim that none of the above MAY not have been a > legitimate choice to place on the ballot, I think we cannot go changing the > rules of

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Dear Ashok and members of AfriNIC community, As a candidate, I feel obliged to back again in this debate. My clear intention is not to gain as seat by hook or by crook, but just to let our community behaves beyond personal and immediate interest. So, let me quote your main argument as "Where

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FRINIC; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List; AfriNIC Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Dear Arnaud, I thank you for sharing your thoughts on the issue under hand. Ashok. On 30/05/2018 01:56, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: Dear

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Dear Arnaud, I thank you for sharing your thoughts on the issue under hand. Ashok. On 30/05/2018 01:56, Arnaud AMELINA wrote: Dear Ashok as a lawyer you know that there is the law and spirit of the law, please read bellow 2018-05-25 11:18 GMT+00:00 Ashok >:

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Arnaud, While I agree that additional clarity is needed and I agree that there is some validity to the claim that none of the above MAY not have been a legitimate choice to place on the ballot, I think we cannot go changing the rules of the election and violating the expectations of the

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Dear Ashok as a lawyer you know that there is the law and spirit of the law, please read bellow 2018-05-25 11:18 GMT+00:00 Ashok : > Dear All, > I apologize for having missed your rejoinder to my mail. > Despite the delays, we appreciate your response as the matter is of great concern. >

[Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Dear members of AfriNIC Community, We read various points of view about the verdict of this election held two weeks ago during our last AGM in Dakar. As the candidate having obtained the majority of positive votes (56/99), I can only make an objection to the verdict "the seat is vacant"!

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Dear CEO and Chairman It looks like the Legal counsel has not responded to this query bellow regarding this very important issue about the recently concluded elections. Could you kindly remind him? Let us address this to a good conclusion in order to enforce the respect of our rules and

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Dear Legal Counsel, Thanks for your input. Much appreciated. Your statements reinforce the interpretation of section 9.2 of the guidelines with the origin of the "none of the above" option in the election process and how votes for this option are considered in the case of one candidate running

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On 18/05/2018 23:11, Chevalier du Borg wrote: > > > Le ven. 18 mai 2018 à 13:34, Mark Elkins > a écrit : > > > Regarding Money and Meetings. > > I would like to propose to the community and membership that > AfriNIC meetings are no longer

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Le ven. 18 mai 2018 à 13:34, Mark Elkins a écrit : > > Regarding Money and Meetings. > > I would like to propose to the community and membership that AfriNIC > meetings are no longer free to attend - that we introduce a badge fee of > (say) US$100 in order to acquire the badge.

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Fri, 18 May 2018, 9:04 p.m. Mark Elkins, wrote: > I've no idea if you were in Dakar. I was. > > One person who was chatted to admitted she was a dress maker and was there > for the free lunch. She otherwise had no interest in the conference - not > even about putting up a

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Le ven. 18 mai 2018 à 14:05, Ben Roberts a écrit : > > I know quite a few very qualified and good and reputable candidates who > would love to stand and give leadership to Afrinic. But those people don’t > want to touch it given the state Afrinic is in right now. >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Le ven. 18 mai 2018 à 13:57, Ben Roberts a écrit : > > Service delivery from Afrinic was also historically poor but improved > hugely under the leadership of new CEO Mr Barrett. > This is HUGE claim. Can you provide some fact and detail to back this up?

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Do the people going crazy about salad and desert in Dakar know who paid for the lunches, coffee breaks, welcome reception and gala dinner? Please, can we stop this nonsense here and move it to another thread where people interested can express their views, suggestions, etc.? We are discussing

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

I've no idea if you were in Dakar. I was. One person who was chatted to admitted she was a dress maker and was there for the free lunch. She otherwise had no interest in the conference - not even about putting up a web site to sell her products. She was not the only one. Yes, she was a local

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

They are not freeloaders. They are AFRICANS Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Ben Roberts wrote: ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

"You don't need to know how Afrinic works in order to use the Internet " The Internet is for everyone! Discussions relevant to the use of the Internet should be inclusive of all stakeholders in the multistakeholder model of Internet Governance.  One would think that the discussion should be that

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Hi Roberts, Humm ! Good to hear that your organization specifically sees an improvement in AFRINIC services under the not so new CEO. These things are better measured through members satisfaction survey, audit reports, financial statements and even the CEO perfomance evaluation through a board

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

s of AFRINIC; AfriNIC Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections The AfriNIC meeting is primarily for its membership though the community is included - they (the community) are potential (paying) membership. Its ce

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Discuss <members-disc...@afrinic.net<mailto:members-disc...@afrinic.net>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ben Roberts <ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:ben.robe...@liqui

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:members-disc...@afrinic.net>> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Sent from my iPhone On 18 May 2018, at 12:10, Ben Roberts <ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: N

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gt;; AfriNIC Discuss <members-disc...@afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Mark Elkins <m...@posix.co.za <mailto:m...@posix.co.za> > wrote: The AfriNI

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et> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ben Roberts <ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: Noah, The Nomcom are on a tough gig as Mark say

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Ben Roberts wrote: > Noah, > > The Nomcom are on a tough gig as Mark says. It maybe wasn’t their fault > not to get more candidates. > Nomcom work is only tough, if a certain segment of the membership decides not to support a

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 1:03 PM, Mark Elkins wrote: > The AfriNIC meeting is primarily for its membership though the community > is included - they (the community) are potential (paying) membership. Its > certainly paid for by its membership and not the (non-membership part of)

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Andrew Andrew wrote >> There are no free lunches - I must disagree with you here. It seems there are exactly free lunches at the recent Afrinic meeting, as we have just heard observations from Mark Elkins of seeing the meeting fill up with freeloaders around lunchtime. Sent from my iPhone On

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

The AfriNIC meeting is primarily for its membership though the community is included - they (the community) are potential (paying) membership. Its certainly paid for by its membership and not the (non-membership part of) community. You don't need to know how AfriNIC works in order to use the

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Noah, The Nomcom are on a tough gig as Mark says. It maybe wasn’t their fault not to get more candidates. I know quite a few very qualified and good and reputable candidates who would love to stand and give leadership to Afrinic. But those people don’t want to touch it given the state Afrinic

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

.@nftconsult.com] > *Sent:* 18 May 2018 12:41 > *To:* Ben Roberts <ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; > AfriNIC Discuss <members-disc...@afrinic.net> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss

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: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Mark I see we are starting to divide the haves and have nots. The internet is for everyone regardless of how deep your pockets are. Let's remember that the big privileged members sell services to t

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Ben Roberts wrote: > Noah, > > So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words > > > It may not be pointless to have a nomcom > I am not yet satisfied that nomcom got us candidates to elect and one got more votes than the other

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Badru, We are also a RIPE member and have been since before Afrinic existed. Our fees with Afrinic are about 15 times what they would be with RIPE for equivalent IP resources. And RIPE gives us more services. Service delivery from Afrinic was also historically poor but improved hugely under

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

rs-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections Sent from my iPhone On 18 May 2018, at 12:10, Ben Roberts <ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com>> wrote: Noah, Yes one of the ways that Afrinic wastes lots of money flying people ar

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Mark I see we are starting to divide the haves and have nots. The internet is for everyone regardless of how deep your pockets are. Let’s remember that the big privileged members sell services to the community who are the real owners of AfriNIC. What I see now is these privileged owners

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Sent from my iPhone On 18 May 2018, at 12:10, Ben Roberts > wrote: Noah, Yes one of the ways that Afrinic wastes lots of money flying people around. This contributes to why our fees are so high compared to other RIRs we

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On 18/05/2018 11:07, Ben Roberts wrote: > Noah, > >> So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words > > It may not be pointless to have a nomcom but they certainly can run > better elections. NomCom this year had a bad deal. I'm not sure that had NomCom been made up of any other people,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

costs? Andrew From: Ben Roberts [mailto:ben.robe...@liquidtelecom.com] Sent: 18 May 2018 12:08 To: Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AfriNIC Discuss <members-disc...@afrinic.net> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-disc

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Noah, So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words It may not be pointless to have a nomcom but they certainly can run better elections. AfriNIC will be wasting members money to conduct elections which involves facilitating members of nomcom to fly to meetings to conduct elections where

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:38 PM, Ben Roberts wrote: > All, > The election was run and winner declared. Majority of votes cast to have > none of the candidates join the board. > So its pointless to have a nomcom in other-words and therefore AfriNIC will be wasting

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Thanks Ashok for the clarification. However, I have an observation; - All open positions shall be subject to an election process even if there is only one candidate. In that event, *if the option [none of the above] got more votes than the only candidate*, then the seat shall be

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

All, The election was run and winner declared. Majority of votes cast to have none of the candidates join the board. The AGMM has now closed with no board members being elected. Neither of the losing candidates have challenged the elections, but they are free to do so if they wish. But I

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

So let us examine what happen a) The two current membre of board had no competition b) Less than 1/3 of membership vote in the election c) The clear winner is "None of the Above" I see two problem Point (b) say that: most member do not care Point (c) clearly send a message: all those that were

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

"none of the above" is there for a reason, it in itself is an entity. If it was not there what would the purpose of voting be if I did not agree with any of the candidates? It in its self is a "candidate" and it won. It is there for a real reason and is perfectly democratic. How else would you

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

On Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:15 p.m. Mark Elkins, wrote: > I disagree with your first paragraph. I was a Board Member when "None of > the Above" was introduced. I was also often on NomCom. The simple idea > behind "None of the Above" is simply that - None of the above - that's >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

Here is what 9.2 of https://afrinic.net/en/community/elections/bod-election/process full text says: 9.2 Paper Ballot on Election Day The voting conducted during the Annual General Members' Meeting is carried out via paper ballots containing a list of candidate names and a ballot number. Prior to

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Faulty result for Western Africa in AfriNIC AGMM Elections

I disagree with your first paragraph. I was a Board Member when "None of the Above" was introduced. I was also often on NomCom. The simple idea behind "None of the Above" is simply that - None of the above - that's everyone (natural persons) listed on that ballot. It's not just for the case where