mike
Have no idea what you are so excited about. I never said you
could upgrade from 98 to w7...that was the point. XP and
OS X came out within months of each other, xp a few months
after os x. The big technology leap for apple was of course
os 9 to OS X, for windows, the big leap is xp to
Win 98 to win2k was not a consumer upgrade path.
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On Jun 13, 2009, at 5:19 AM, Wayne Dernoncourt way...@panix.com wrote:
mike
Have no idea what you are so excited about. I never said you
could upgrade from 98 to w7...that was the point. XP and
OS X came out within months
Stop walking in the store and buying MS stuff. There, I fixed it for you.
On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
Another is how we let M$ continue to rip us all off.
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Surprisingly no.
I move many of them off of Eudora (except my mom) but they usually do
not have much malware problems.
I do a cleaning every now and then and make sure they have protection.
I guess you can call it safe computing.
Both of my Vegas I sold to get other cars and they were
Seems most are not mentioning upgrading from XP to 7 would be like asking
Apple to do a straight upgrade from os 9 to 10.6. All your programs and
settings too...why can't I run that program I've been running since system 7
on 10.5??
Some of the xp'ers out there are undoubtedly still running crap
You might be surprised.
I have programs that were written for old OS (DOS/w95-98) that still
run well within XP. I have had programs written for XP that did not run well.
It all depends on the programmers.
I would assume (And it sounds pretty good) that most Vista folks will
have a pretty
Oh, really, Mike! Let's see. Mac OS 9 was discontinued in the late
1990's. M$ was selling Windows 98 and ME. So show me the 98-to-W7
upgrade or cut the WFB BS that twists the reality most list members
know.
Both venders made their upgrade versus compatibility decisions (good and
bad). I
I have programs that were written for old OS (DOS/w95-98) that still
run well within XP. I have had programs written for XP that did not
run well.
It all depends on the programmers.
I have two programs that were written for DOS 2.0 in the early 80s that I
still use every day. Of course, I
Sure, sure...sorry. Keep your pants on..oh sorry.
There was no devolving till YOU started name calling big guy. Since you
aren't responding to my comments, I take that as you knowing you were wrong
and now can only go after the messenger. Good tactics.
And just as a final rub..I'm getting the
Since you speak of her job in the past tense, I suspect that the
newspaper was running a pre-OS X system. Even well-managed
OS 9 and pre-OS 9 systems were occasionally prone to extension
and control panel conflicts if you used any beyond a basic set,
and your wife's newspaper probably had to use
IT guys can even screw up a mac network. I have a friend who works at a
local community college supporting hundreds of windows pc's and quite a few
mac systems. Neither have had problems of any kind in years. Good IT is
hard to find, but once you do things run smoothly, mac or windows.
On Fri,
Yes and yes.
They were also running one of the Old all in one Macs with some
custom software.
Stewart
At 01:07 PM 6/12/2009, you wrote:
Since you speak of her job in the past tense, I suspect that the
newspaper was running a pre-OS X system. Even well-managed
OS 9 and pre-OS 9 systems
On Jun 12, 2009, at 1:50 PM, mike wrote:
Why is it the attackers always get whiney when they get a little back?
Classic behavior for a bully.
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So a fair comparison in your mind is .4 to .6? A four year difference and
hardly a leap in technology within the OS, all the while keeping in the 8
year gap between XP and 7. It's not anyone cutting MS slack, by cutting the
time for Apple in half it's clear you want to cut Apple the slack.
Who
Looking at OS X, it's very capable and has been for some time. What else is
there to do? The iPhone I think hit this extremely quickly, 3rd gen is
hardly an upgrade. Better video? wow. Other then that it's on faster
hardware, but the OS is basically the same.
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:55
Moto Q is nothing to brag about :p
I've waited some time and should be, barring any acts of God, be getting an
iPhone around September. I can get a refurb 3g for 80 bones from AT$T, and
with the included options etc, family plan...I'll even drop my current
tmobile bill about 10 bux.
On Fri, Jun
True but it is one of the better smartphones I have had.
I use Verizon not because they are great, but because in this area
they have the best coverage.
I want a smartphone that is comfortable, works well, and fits in my
pocket but does not weight a ton.
I have the Q9c model which is
I use cut and paste all the time with my Palm Tungsten. If the iPhone
is to replace my Palm it had better do cut and paste.
On Jun 12, 2009, at 6:00 PM, mike wrote:
I've used cut and paste on the winmo and blackberry phones I've had
over the
last couple of years maybe twice. It seemed like
It's always painful getting the first iteration only to see better
versions appearing in the following years. I type this on my MBP 1.1
that was 3 years old in March. Current models take more RAM and have
faster CPUs as well as larger drives. Similarly, I have a 17 month old
Motorola Q9h that I
I once herd it put this way.
What is the definition of a nanosecond?
The time it takes you to get you computer home and find out it is outdated.
Stewart
At 08:47 PM 6/12/2009, you wrote:
It's always painful getting the first iteration only to see better
versions appearing in the following
You missed a step.
If someone has not yet purchased an Intel based
Mac they have to now buy an Intel based Mac so it would be even more
costly.
Is this what you call Tomonomics?
29 + [cost of new Intel Mac] = 29
BTW, I think it's downright rude how we Windows people haven't heard one
word
Vista-Ready New computer + cost of Vista + (oops!) new computer (that
can actually run Vista and all of its marvels). WFBonomics, I suppose.
Thank you,
Mark Snyder
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Is this what you call Tomonomics?
29 + [cost of new Intel Mac] = 29
BTW, I think it's downright rude
Vista-Ready New computer + cost of Vista + (oops!) new computer (that
can actually run Vista and all of its marvels). WFBonomics, I suppose.
Actually, that's Intelonomics (or maybe markting-troll-o'nomics), since they
were the ones pushing for that idiotic monkier. Any WFB could have told you
I've mentioned earlier here, that I put the Win 7 beta on my 3 year old
Lenovo laptop back in Jan, and the RC when it came out, and it runs
fabulously; even better than with XP3. I did invest $11 at Microcenter
to take it to 2G.
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Win 7 actually will run on many XP
The best we have to offer do not usually go into politics.
Besides which I thought Elvis was not dead he just went home to his
home planet.
Stewart
At 02:41 PM 6/11/2009, you wrote:
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
50 million Elvis fans can't be
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Chris Dunfordseed...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, he won one election, anyway.
Actually, he won them both by hook or by crook.
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Let's put this all into a certain perspective. Market
forces have made it abundantly clear that the Windows
operating system and the computers that come supplied
with that OS are absolutely superior in every way,
shape and form. The sales figures have made this an
indisputable
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Wayne Dernoncourtway...@panix.com wrote:
That's ridiculous! Personal computers (small computers
designed to be owned/used by an individual) have been
around for what 25-30 years? Microsoft has been in the
drivers seat for 20-25 of those years (since
DOS
Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?
Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with
Windows and I have nary a problem?
Granted I have had a problem or tow along the way. I have done real
stupid stuff like do upgrade instead of clean installs, cloned
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong.
They think he is still alive.
Look at it another way. If this were a presidential election, what
words would you use to describe the voting gap between 1st and 2nd
place?
What do you do with your windows computer? Do you install everything
under the sun that looks neat? I do on my Mac.
Why is it you have to only do clean installs? And why have you had to
reload Windows a time or two? I've upgraded my OS on my Macs, but
never had to reload the OS.
My guess
1000 times better then Obama? What planet are you living on? I'm not
one to bad mouth Elvis. I was never a fan but hand nothing against
him. So he never qualified for my praise or condemnation. On the other
hand Obama was elected to clean up the mess. And with a few exceptions
I have,
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Rev. Stewart
Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?
Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with Windows and
I have nary a problem?
Dunno. I wonder the same thing. Some folks
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Bill Wajertwrws...@swbell.net wrote:
He might not have been the best we had to offer, but he is 1000 times better
than Obama.
Ouch!!! And the guy has only been at it for such a short time.
He's even continuing a number of the Bush policies, yet he is already
Can I ask an enormously stupid and off the wall question?
Why is it that some folks seem to have nothing but problems with Windows and I have nary a problem?
Stewart,
Is that a rhetorical question?
You're a techie and know what you're doing. You know enough to see a
mistake BEFORE it
On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote:
But, doesn't marketplace dominance determine what is best? I thought
that concept was the whole theory of how the almighty marketplace
sorts out the wheat from the chaff.
Absolutely, I'll pick the $1 McDonalds burger over a sirloin steak
On Jun 11, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
So why is it that I seem to have very little problems running
windows and some seem to have nothing but problems.
It all depends on what you are comparing it to. This afternoon I ran
into somebody who moved back to her home town a
Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net escribió:
I will go with the last part before any of the other. (Although I
seriously wonder if anyone has God on their side. I would much
prefer to be on his side than have him on my side. theological
diatribe here.
Just kidding. I like your
The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades. I
heard it was from Vista only.
Apparently you can upgrade from XP, only thing is that win 7 will not
use your apps and settings, it will instead make your old windows folder
into something that is saved (you likely can
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for
upgrades. I
heard it was from Vista only.
The Apple upgrade is from any version and not for a crippled version
of the OS.
Since most people would be upgrading from XP and
Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux?
Not bad.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 5:57 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 9, 2009, at 8:43 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote:
The cheapo Win7 releases at Best Buy seem to be 50 and 100 for upgrades.
I
heard it was from
How much more beyond that to include Exchange support?
In Snow Leopard, you'll have to pay a hefty $0 extra to get it.
Microsoft might actually have something to be happy about in
this regard, because Snow Leopard's Exchange support requires
the most recent version of Exchange, so this will
Exchange is just one more proof of un-savvyness. Big, bulky,
expensive, and fragile. The only reason to buy it is to keep upper
management terrified of what will happen if IT is not around to
constantly tend it. (I guess that is a perverse form of savvy.)
On Jun 10, 2009, at 1:19 PM,
Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux?
Not bad.
Snow Leopard 10.6 requires an Intel Mac. $29 upgrade is from Leopard, 10.5.
Apple sez:
'For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac
OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® ’09 and iWork® ’09 and will
Well, the people who are most likely to upgrade their OS are the
ones who have recently bought a new one. A significant proportion
of XP users in this group are ones who had to buy a Vista license
in order to run XP, so the XP - Win7 upgrade cost should not
apply to them.
As for the rest of the
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM, David K Watson
davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote:
How much more beyond that to include Exchange support?
In Snow Leopard, you'll have to pay a hefty $0 extra to get it.
Microsoft might actually have something to be happy about in
this regard, because Snow
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Apple is going to let you upgrade from puma to snow leopard for 29 bux?
Not bad.
Snow Leopard 10.6 requires an Intel Mac. $29 upgrade is from Leopard, 10.5.
Apple sez:
'For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box
Exchange is just one more proof of un-savvyness. Big, bulky,
expensive, and fragile. The only reason to buy it is to keep upper
management terrified of what will happen if IT is not around to
constantly tend it. (I guess that is a perverse form of savvy.)
Funny, my Mac users are jealous of
On Jun 10, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
They insist on running Outlook 2001 in classic mode to get similar
functionality.
(Psst, hey Jeff. It's 2009, going on 2010. You can't fake being savvy
if you don't know that.)
(Psst, hey Jeff. It's 2009, going on 2010. You can't fake being savvy
if you don't know that.)
I don't think my Mac users are even trying to fake being savvy any more. We
call that learned helplessness.
What can I say? They just insist on being troglodytes.
On Jun 10, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
I don't think my Mac users are even trying to fake being savvy any
more. We
call that learned helplessness.
What can I say? They just insist on being troglodytes.
You have worn them down, just like you try (and fail) to do here.
Seems most users are comparing the cost of going from XP to 7 and then into
snow leopard from 10.5. XP came out 8 years ago...even if 7 users pay 500
dollars it is less then Mac users have paid since 10.1 came out.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote:
Apple is
You missed a step.
If someone has not yet purchased an Intel based
Mac they have to now buy an Intel based Mac so it would be even more costly.
Stewart
At 09:43 PM 6/10/2009, you wrote:
Seems most users are comparing the cost of going from XP to 7 and then into
snow leopard from 10.5. XP
Snow Leopard vs Leopard looks to be more of an SE type of upgrade,
much like Win7 vs. Vista.
Accordingly Apple will charge $29 for the upgrade. How many zeros
will we need to add to that to get M$'s Win7 price?
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On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Apple makes money on two different components. Hardware and Software.
They sell their OS for a smaller amount as they make more money (I
have never seen a comparison but I bet it is provable) on their
hardware. (I was told by an
You KNOW it runs faster? How long have you been running it?
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:34 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote:
Apple makes money on two different components. Hardware and Software.
They sell their OS for a smaller amount
They'll give you that version for free since you qualify.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:32 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Jun 8, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Accordingly Apple will charge $29 for the upgrade. How many zeros will we
need to add to that to get M$'s Win7 price?
Never been involved in retail marketing have you? Anything a company
does is considered a revenue stream.
Some companies make money on the front some make it on the back some
make it every step of the way.
I use Quick Verse as one of my Bible programs to look up Bible verses
etc. There is
Rev. Stewart Marshall
Never been involved in retail marketing have you? Anything
a company does is considered a revenue stream.
Some companies make money on the front some make it on the
back some make it every step of the way.
marketing stuff snipped
OSX has come out with how many
Totally bogus. Selling an OS upgrade that runs much faster than the
previous OS does not generate hardware sales.
Whoa. Dude.
I say something about Win7, which I have actually used, and which millions
of others are using every day, and I get this (just two hours ago):
All you have to go on is
On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:27 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
You, on the other hand, are allowed to make a definitive statement
about
Snow Leopard based on what? Apple PR and a couple YouTube videos?
You completely miss the point. Why an I not surprised?
The only definitive statement I made was $29.
(I'm a little confused now - there was Windows 3.0, Win98,
Windows NT, etc.)
The past 10 years, not 15-20 years.
Apple also comes out with Service Packs, MS does theirs on a
monthly basis with the occasional Oh! Crap! tossed in for
good measure. Apple's patches aren't as frequent but they
I was talking just over the past 10 years.
3, 3,1 3.11(WFW) were all versions of Windows that was run on top of DOS.
95, 98, 98se and Millennium were all versions of Windows stand alone
products. (You did not need to install DOS as it was a part of and
integral to these Windows versions.)
The only definitive statement I made was $29. The rest was just a
restatement of Apple's claim that the new version offers little more
than performance gains. Your twisting a statement that the upgrade
offers little into something else just makes you look foolish.
You think that no one can
The only definitive statement I made was $29. The rest was just a
restatement of Apple's claim that the new version offers little more
than performance gains.
You think that no one can look at the quoted text where you definitively
state that Snow Leopard runs much faster? You don't
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