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This sounds like a very interesting case that is well worth keeping an eye
on, since a keystroke interceptor would enable
this!!
On Wed, 08 August 2001, Jeanne S wrote:
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They are already using it. There is no privacy on the web. They watch
anyone they see as a threat.
Jeanne
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One hope the evidence collected will be thrown out since the search was indiscriminate
and barred under the constitution, God forbid though it should go to the Supreme Court
Lord only knows what they would rule on the subject considering their willy nilly al
over the field
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Australia has been a key player in the Iran, Iraq (gate) business that has taken place
in this country, as well as BCCI, just look at the Nugan Hand bank and tell me people
in Australia weren't involved in the whole deal.
On Wed, 08 August 2001, William Shannon wrote:
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Of course. It seems they learned their lesson from Echelon and any new stuff is not
going to be seen or heard from any time soon.
On Tue, 07 August 2001, MIKE SPITZER wrote:
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From: Wired Magazine
Feds: Spy Tool Is a Secret
(Politics 2:00 a.m. PDT)
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I am usually not the one to jump to the defense of a pharmaceutical agent but in this
case I must. It seems to me that some people will use whatever they can be it Viagra
or twinkies just to get out of responsibility for their actions.
On Tue, 07 August 2001, Amelia wrote:
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Interesting bit of news this. It seems that Arkansas may have some more ties to Bush
yet. It has been apparent that the whole Mena business has put Clinton and Bush in
bed together and that there may have been still some favors owed if this death is
anything but what we are
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This sounds like a very interesting case that is well worth keeping an eye on, since a
keystroke interceptor would enable the Feds to bypass any type of firewall or
encryption and if they can do it willy nilly then no one's data is secure. Scary.
On Tue, 07 August 2001,
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I believe you. My point in what I posted was to say that such camps may in fact exist
BUT that anything people see is not going to be such camps in actuality. The camps if
they exist would not be observable and would not be in any area where they could be
scrutinized. Such
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I really fail to see why these camps are still making their way around the conspiracy
culture. It seems to me that something of that magnitude would be kept strictly
covert and would not expect to see any evidence of them. When you see something it
probably is something
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Sounds like a very credible scenario that I have heard the gyst of before. It seems
to be the only way that he could have been done away with without too much attention
being drawn to all the deaths. Ruin his political career and make him a no show in
the president's race.
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All relationships that have a monetary benefit for the doctors are, in my opinion, bad
for the public because it sets up a system whereby the treatment is pushed which would
benefit the prescriber. I think it should be illegal.
On Tue, 10 July 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:
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Closer to the mark as to the true state of affairs in the whole drug issue. When we
see just how involved the intelligence agencies in this country are in the trafficking
and sale of drugs it will reveal the extent to which the depravity and lopsidedness of
those in positions
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Gald you liked it! It took a while to come up with just the right words. LOL
On Sun, 08 July 2001, Samantha L. wrote:
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Wow, you just summed up my entire life's conclusions in one paragraph!
Samantha
In a message dated 7/7/01 7:47:15 PM Central Daylight
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Excellent post!!! Old money, inherited wealth, and upper class Industrialists, as
well as the new elite of Technocrats have never had it so good. AND to top it off now
they have a man like O'neil in Treasury who wants that no businesses should pay tax
and the common people
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No doubt true in all the details but interestingly this document comes out now. It
seems that someone is going to be thrown to the wolves and could it be DynCorp?
Certainly NOT the real money makers in the drug war US government and old money in
this country.
On Thu, 05
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It seems to me perfectly fitting that intelligence agencies in France and England
would have had their hands all over this one. It remains to be seen just how involved
other governments were with the revolution in Russia, and what kind of help was given
or witheld at times.
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Another one for the mind control files. One wonders what LEGAL drugs were fuelling
his aberrant mental thoughts? What kind of chemical cocktail was he on?
On Thu, 05 July 2001, M. F. Abernathy wrote:
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The gunman is described as suffering from
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Thornley is another one of those untidy loose ends surrounding the assassination of
JFK. Another example of the black hole of Twilight Zone stuff which permeates the
whole charade.
On Thu, 05 July 2001, Dale Stonehouse wrote:
This is an online book by Kerry Thornley
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Glad to see there is at least one fan of the Immortal Master HPL still on the list!!!
Incidentally, if hardy life, capable of withstanding the rigors of space or hostile
environments IS found there would it not be a vindication of HPL and the weird tales
he wrote so well? I
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Let's take a moment to look at this. Here on this list one can post about a multitude
of subjects. If you post you may be called on it, if you wish to defend your position
then expect to be asked to put up some facts to support your argument. If you are
unwilling to deal
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Perhaps but I would have thought them long run over and destroyed by the Elder Things
and the Shoggoths come back from the Mountains of Madness!
On Wed, 27 June 2001, Mark McHugh wrote:
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Bill Howard wrote:
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Let us not also get personal in our use of this list. When one disagrees with the
statement presented one attacks the statement not the person making it. That is
civility. There is no need to go there.
On Thu, 28 June 2001, YnrChyldzWyld wrote:
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On
scientist in general.
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That is precisely why the analogy
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The short answer is that they are ignorant and very when they deliberately do not look
at evidence and cover up or ridicule theories proposed that do not fit into their well
established theories (read: FACTS).
On Tue, 26 June 2001, Andrew Hennessey wrote:
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Of course that will be the only option left to the people at some point. Perhaps that
is what all of this is driving towards. Force the people to become terrorists
against their own government to overthrow the terrorists in power so they can have
Marshal Law and do away with
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You hit on an excellent point and that is that we don't have to agree but the end
result should be a fair representation of the facts and alternative theories should be
considered, not shunted aside and ridiculed. Don't label yourself impartial unless
you truly are.
On
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The seven posts per day rule is only to make the list more user friendly and not
inundate people with hundreds of e-mails per day. As for flaming the best way for one
to deal with all fires is to remove the fuel and it won't keep burning. There is no
cencorship here. The
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Probably the real truth of this is that there is a lot of money to be made by
stateside people in the the trafficking of drugs and that money is being threatened.
It is a real catch 22.
On Tue, 26 June 2001, Yardbird wrote:
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What about the secret Nazi bases!!! Aren't we forgetting them!!!???
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Thought provoking but in the end it is falling on deaf ears in the establishment. The
CIA and other intelligence groups in this country have long been using the same
tactics they label as terroristic and illegal. They will continue to do so as long as
there is a war to be
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This book has been long in coming and will be met with much regard. There are many
who disagree with Alex Constantine and his investigative style, but few can argue with
his compelling subjects and interesting research.
On Sun, 24 June 2001, Kris Millegan wrote:
Welcome
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Sounds a lot like Candy Jones affair. There is a good article in the newest issue of
Fortean Times which documents a lot of what Candy went through. Seems this program
may have been tried on many people and been more widespread than initially believed.
On Sat, 23 June
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It's much too late to stop the spread of the disease as far as I can see. Due to the
fact that animal products have been used in feed for livestock so long and poor
compliance among a lot of backwoods folks makes it almost impossible. Before long we
will see it here as well
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Indeed it does remain to be seen but what power lies outside that which controls the
militarization of the police which can be brought to bear to confront it and change
it? It seems to me that on this issue there is a whole lot of an I don't care
attitude among people, that
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Very thought provoking. Since the police are more constrained by the purse strings of
federal administrators they more and more become the handmaidens of the federal
authorities and have no leeway to act. The more there is a war mentality, of the us
against them mindset
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Any country that did not jump on the bandwagon on this one would have to be far out of
the loop. The fact that other countries are doing the same thing should not be a
surprise to anyone. There are dollars to be made spying on people, and the
governments are in it for the
can't demonstrate that there is.
All you are describing, is the goings on of the normal and abnormal brain.
J2
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I think the pendulum of talk about slavery swings to easily back and forth between
black and non-black races. It would be better perhaps to focus on the institution
itself, whereas it is the exploitation of people and the denial of human rights and
values. Who is being
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To be sure, nothing happens in a vacuum. He is responsible for his actions but that
does not negate the responsibility of LAW ENFORCEMENT officers to obey the intent and
purpose of the laws they are supposed to enforce. If anything they should be held to
a higher standard of
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The only really surprising thing about this is that it never happened. It seems that
there were ultimatley other plans for the Soviet Union than were originally
intended, also could it have been a ploy to force NATO down the throats of countries
reluctant to side with the US?
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This is certainly a good polemic against the Idea of a war on drugs or anything else
for that matter. It puts me in mind of everyone patriotically doing their duty to
save the country from the scourge. It is wrong and always has been. The rhetoric
is certainly heating up
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There is a definite conflict of interest in these cases as there are in pharmaceutical
companies payments to physicians that should be put a stop to. Basing care on what is
medically necessary as determined by physicians who are unencumbered by economic ties
and incentives
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While he's at it why doesn't he do something about the passive radar put in airports
to look at naked people, and the infrared devices used to illegally search someones
home without warrants, and the numerous cameras on display throughout the country
spying on us everywhere we
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I fail to see the controversy in this issue, it seems to me that there is no way to
determine which came first God or the brain which thinks of him. Religious experience
is also a very personal thing and is experienced markedly differently between any two
people and thus will
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Australia has, it seems, always been the place for interesting testing of unusual
devices. And a place where one can find many anomolous things and events. Certainly
our relationship with the Australians is full of secrets and strange associations.
On Mon, 18 June 2001,
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Of course the issue here is a lot more complex than the origin of the slave trade and
also as to races in slavery. But rather it is one of the decimation by imperialism of
the entire African continent. Whether that domination is from within or without is
secondary to the end
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Of course much of this stuff has been known for some time, the sad fact is that no one
is listening, rather they are focussed on the fact that the murderer McVeigh is dead,
ong live the Federal Government which caught him and put a lid on all of it. There is
so much bullshit
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I have not failed to notice a marked upswing in this type of thing in recent years,
and one at least must stop to wonder at what is the impetus for it. Could the use of
mind control/disruption be once again at the head of the population control agenda?
Don't know, but it is
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Certainly puts a little bit different spin on the matter but one cannot deny that the
so-called war on drugs is in fact a tool for money laundering and get rich quick
schemes for the power brokers of this country as well.
On Sat, 16 June 2001, Nurev Ind. wrote:
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This story tells the sad tail of the lack of justice in our justice system these days.
The federal police have a heavy hand and apparently can continue to use it
indiscriminately. This whole issue makes me sick, and don't forget old trigger finger
Horiuchi was at Waco too.
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I do not think eliminating attachments is a good idea since it is the only way that
some information can be posted to the list. Caveat downloadee, as it were. Let us
all be very careful what we download on this list as well as EVERYWHERE on the old WWW.
On Mon, 16 April
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It seems that the FBI is more into making national policy than in the investigation of
crime. Soon, no doubt they will want a hand in deciding who should be serving pizza
to ensure the safety of our collective tummies.
On Tue, 17 April 2001, radman wrote:
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How good! The police always need more tools to do there job. First they got the
infrared device and that allowed them to willy nilly invade anyones privacy and scope
out people getting it on all in the name of cracking down on all the illicit pot
growing (sheesh), now they
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Of course. ALL things boil down to "sides" after all and ones convictions color all
of ones actions. No?
On Tue, 17 April 2001, Yardbird wrote:
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Remember Ian Thomas? He's the scientist who said he got fired by the Bush
administration last month because
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If this theory turns out to be true then environmentalists would be very put out. It
would mean that "fossil fuels" are not fossil fuels at all and that oil is a
constantly renewing source of energy. Of course the effects of burning it seem to be
just as bad regardless of
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Is this not the gut reaction of everyone who wants to trust in and believe in their
government and that that very same government is out to protect and defend them. As
much as people wish to deny the reality of government run and directed conspiracies to
effect change in
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There is quite a bit of stuff floating about regarding the Kennedy assassination. The
Masons inevitably pop up from time to time. I think a lot of what he postulates is
pretty far fetched to say the least BUT some of it is eerie and could have some truth
to it. BUT, what it
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This has got to be one of the most cogent posts in quite some time which accurately
paints the picture of what is really happening in the political system. They all are
backslappers of each other by necessity. If convictions were involved then Gore would
have contest the
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Perhaps you are right and this is not inevitable, but as fo probability I'd say you
are on the losing end, since it seems to me that it is HIGHLY probable that we already
deploy weapons into space on some level and have been for some time. In fact it is
more probable that we
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A healthy scepticism is certainly warranted in all things. But one surely stretches
credulity in prescribing all of the Mars related mishaps to "accident". It seems to
me that it is something which should be investigated further if nothing else. I am
inclined to believe
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Well, I certainly agree. Even accepting the Christian story one must assume that the
Devil is the ruler of the current age, and that he is the "father of lies" and a
master of deception. Therefore, how is it that one can say, from a Christian
perspective, that there are no
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There are certain renegade cosmologists who have propounded this theory before. I
believe that it is one which merits consideration given the mythological symbology of
ancient civilizations and the actual fact of astronomy as we have observed.
Velikovsky had some good
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Don't expect him to ever be let go. He is another James Earl Ray. It is indicative
of the Federalist system and the wacko activity of Law Enforcement (LOL) agencies in
the carrying out of their duties to the detriment of us all. He was set up and framed
and they will NEVER
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Forgive my recent absence, but since there is such an air of non-chalance and
indifference I doubt anyone noticed. Anyway it seems the mess is over, what with Gore
conceding and Bush named as President elect. It makes me wonder at how this whole
thing went down and exactly
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Just great. More illiterate diatribes devoid of any substance. Take your bullshit
and peddle it elsewhere we have no time for you here. You only succeed in making
yourself look like an ass.
On Sun, 03 December 2000, IAM APOLLYON wrote:
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Meerican swill
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This message, of course, hits on the point that I made about this farcical jamboree.
The idea is for there to be more centralization, and ultimately more control and to
move to a standardized system of computer voting, where bigger numbers (more people
will vote thinking it
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It is my considered opinion that this election is being manipulated and engineered for
various reasons BUT that chief among them are these:
1) To get people to think that there votes are important and that THEY decide who is
elected to office.
2) End apathy at the polls so that
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I guess some would call it a Libertarian viewpoint. But in my opinion it is just
common sense. If I want to do harm to me, and it does not harm you or your property
then how can any external agency (ie; Government) legislate against it, or even label
it a crime?
On Tue, 17
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There has been talk of PBS being a shill for the CIA and other Old Boy Network
organizations and it seems that there might be some truth to it. One other GOOD note
is that when such effort is made to refute something there is usually something they
are wanting to hide. In
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By its very nature the "recovered" memories of ritual abuse survivors should be
suspect. It is apparent that there is something going on which needs to be exposed,
but the idea of shapeshifting lizards and alien, as well as other "entities" is, in my
opinion, a bunch of
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Interesting theory that Bill. Could it be that when he says they are "Lizards" it is
a metaphor used to include them all in one group and that he dare not name it? I
don't know, I just think he is a sensationalist and much of his stuff is a bunch of
crap.
On Tue, 10
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I believe Kris has a better take on this. Just as I believe that if people really see
a physical Lizard being or an alien for that matter it is FAKE. Most of the time it
is probably an induced memory and an experience, not a real event. It is always done
to subvert and
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Certainly Malachi Martin has written about this very thing within the RC church. I
believe that there may be something to it, but a lack of evidence means that we should
at least tread catrefully. In fact this may be an instance when the hierarchy, or
certain members of it
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Don't you think a "tit-for-tat" approach is the only one that is justified in this
discussion. No group of people or religious philosophy has a corner of wanting to
"run the world" or get power for themselves and their own group. And just what do you
mean that jews have a
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It is nothing to wonder about. Look at Van Danniken (sp?), he acts as though he is
the progenitor of the "Gods coming from the sky" story and almost like he discovered
the lines of Nazca (and other places and things as well). It is quite clear why these
people do this, it is
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I'd say that Samantha summed it up pretty well here. It is taken as given that the
two are intertwined, and what has it gotten anyone? There is never any evidence to
present only peoples testimony that something did occur. It could be all a bunch of
mis-perceptions, hoaxes,
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I think just about everyone on this list knew this already but it is good and about
time that this has made it into national news. How about we talk now about conflict
of interest in the judicial system as well?
On Tue, 26 September 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote:
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I don't think we can go to a system where there is NO regulation, because it is just
asking for trouble from those who would be unscrupulous regardless. In matters of
health I think it is advisable to have truly independant experts evaluate the
effectiveness and safety of all
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We've been moving in this direction for quite some time. The right would claim it was
the forewarning of the coming Marshall Law. Others would probably say it was a
foreshadowing of the centralized governance that the NWO is trying to establish.
Either way it is a sorry
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I would like to jump in here and say that this is an issue that has come up here
repeatedly, over and over again on this list. I have tried on more than one occasion
to discourage personal attacks on list. Most people here are aware of this, and abide
by it. Why can't we
where you feel prepared
to continue, otherwise maybe it is best to let it ride. Just some friendly advice to
all.
On Mon, 18 September 2000, Amelia wrote:
Thank you so much tenebroust,
I was beginning to think I was missing posts, etc. Also, I think we should
remember our motto "C
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Kudos once again to Kris. It sounds like the conference will be great. I wish I
could attend.
On Mon, 18 September 2000, Kris Millegan wrote:
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CIA-DRUGS CONFERENCE, LOS ANGELES SEPT. 23,
TO FEATURE ARKANSAS TRAIN DEATH MOTHERS
An all day CIA-Drugs
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It surely an be argued that conspiratorial forces are at work behind some movements
and that some homosexual agendas may be used for that purpose. If one wanted to argue
these issues, and leave out the ranting and raving of how it is "evil" or "bad" for
people to be
Totally absurd of course, but I submit that such a situation already exists in fact if
not in legal language in some document somewhere. The idea of "stings" and
"undercover" work is all about underhanded operations of supposed law enforcement
agents in order to "get the goods on the bad
What is the whole worry here? Are people worried that their children will one day
come home from school just itchin' to be homosexual based on some secret and covert
"nazi" infiltration and indoctrination program by the "militant" homosexual movement?
This is truly absurd. The least thing
I second the motion from Kris, and welcome Amelia aboard. I have been quite busy
lately myself, what with an out of town trip and some problems closer to home in
recent weeks, but I will be more available to check in and keep things moving in a
productive way now that a lot of that has been
Please, this is no disturbance! This list is designed for questions about and
discussion of items of interest exactly like the death of Olaf Palme, and if I am not
mistaken I am sure there are some articles on that subject in the archives. The
archives are at:
This is so true and predictable on the part of the FBI. No matter what one has to say
about the "truth" of accusations made against the President and Gore about the various
scandals they have been implicated in there is no question that the Justice Dept.
under Reno, which includes the FBI has
I don't have any children, but I'm sure that if I did I would seriously consider home
schooling. Maybe not so much for what I "fear" they will learn or be indoctrinated
with while there (for as a "good" parent I would like to think I would raise my kids
to know the difference between right
There have been several list members who have made the accusation that the majority of
pedophiles are homosexual in sexual orientation. That assertion was challenged and
never successfully defended (at leat to my recollection). I don't believe it was ever
stated by anyone that ALL pedophiles
Yet another article on the evils of Asset Forfeiture. The propaganda surrounding this
issue is adequately stated in the article. The idea that "drug dealers" and "hard
core criminals" are the ones that are being affected is ludicrous. There have been a
lot of good people who have been
Quite true. The connection in Vietnam devolved to the drug business which the CIA had
a major hand in. The death of JFK had more to do with our escalation in Vietnam than
his being in office did. The war served as excellent cover for drug smuggling and
huge profits by our so-called
I must agree with Nessie here. Whatever welfare trickles down to the truly needy in
this country is far outstripped by the corporate welfare paid to big business. The
rich and big business are the leaches on society as it exists in this country today.
That's not to say that there aren't
and bloody means to test and build it.
On Sat, 12 August 2000, "Damian B. Cooper" wrote:
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Too bad
this technology will always be tainted by the blood and death perpetrated by
the Germans, and every country since them (
AH! Delta Green. Well, this is "fiction" writing in the tradition of Lovecraft with
a modern edge. Delta Green is a covert and illegal operation within the government of
the US who views its duty as rooting out the minions of the Old Ones and others of the
Cthulhu Myth Cycle and stopping
You've nicely summed up the Paperclip operation and the role of Von Braun as well.
One should note that V.B. also designed spacecraft in the 1930's that were supposed to
go to Mars. Much other technology, including that which is used for political, and
thought control, as well as spying,
This case has always fascinated me, and deserves to have a second and impartial look.
One must understand that is cases such as this (and Einhorn's case as well) there is
absolutely NO desire on the part of the Prosecution to have the evidence reevaluated,
because should they prove to be in
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