[CTRL] [Fwd: Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order]
-Caveat Lector- "NewsHawk Inc." wrote: 8.27.99 Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order We feel it necessary to address certain "rumors" now circulating which have been generated by a "mill" of some renown. The "mill" has recently put out an article in which they wax positively ecstatic and giddy about their extensive elbow-rubbing with countless "G-men" and other varieties of feds at the recent "Global Sciences Congress" in Denver, Colorado. These hordes of feds were cited by the "mill" as having provided same with massive amounts of "information" (?) and play by plays on the ins and outs of what's going on in the country right now; in terms of which factions are vying with which other factions in the realms of power politics and such, for control of the future direction of our nation. Prominent among the claims made by these sources was that G. Dubya Bush, handpicked by the lords of the New World Order to be our next President (no, don't worry; no voting needed!), has in fact recently decided to switch his allegiance to the cryptically-named "faction three." OUR understanding of "faction three"--based on information from sources OTHER than spooks or "G-men"--is that it pretty much represents the 'business as usual" crowd. In other words, the people who think that the NWO's plans to exterminate and/or incarcerate hundreds of millions of human beings are just a little extreme and what's much more important, BAD FOR BUSINESS. They like things PRETTY MUCH as they are because they MAKE A LOT OF MONEY THIS WAY. We find it impossible to believe the gangsters and cutthroats of the Bush empire have ANY genuine consideration or "benign" intentions at heart for the PEOPLE in regard to their apparent conflict with the 'New World Order". We see this conflict, if factual, as really nothing more than squabbling and infighting for dominance among different factions of gangsters and murderers. There is no doubt George Bush Sr. and probably some or all of his sons are MAJOR crooks, drug-runners and murderers. As in Iran-Contra, Panama, etc., etc., etc., etc. (though we can't be absolutely certain of this in regard to his sons--only that Jeb and Dubya are BIGTIME drug-users and dealers) A good example of how the Bushes "do business" is the murderous rampage waged against the innocent people of Panama by President George Bush; all so he could topple from power and reel in his BUDDY Manuel Noriega; before Noriega could go rogue on Bush and started spilling all kinds of beans about just what kind of pies Georgy Porgy had his fingers in: make that had his whole BODY in--up to the EYEBALLS. Anyway, according to the line of "information" fed to the "mill" by legions of spooky folks at Denver, Dubya and daddy (Heroin) Poppy Bush have decided to bail on the New World Order and cast their lot with the faction three crowd. Corollary to this is the contention that Dubya, though a coke-fiend of epic proportions and in addition an all-round cretin, is really not so bad after all, and is probably responsible for the fact that the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Texas Rangers have decided to torpedo an already fast-sinking ship--the Clinton Administration/federal government/NWO coverup about the Waco massacre. Another corollary to this is that the reason anybody anywhere is hearing ANYTHING about Dubya's coke habits and Poppy's coke/heroin importation and distribution is for that very same reason: that the Bushes have decided to throw their lot and their inestimably vast fortune behind faction three as opposed to the New World Order. Therefore, in order to bring Dubya and Poppy back into the New World Order fold, Dubya is getting hell in the press over the cocaine issue, and if he doesn't come back on board his presidential ambitions will be dust in the wind. In fact this last aspect DOES make some sense and we made this EXACT point in a recent article we published. AGAIN however, we CERTAINLY don't believe that G. Dubya, Poppy or anyone associated with them in any way has any genuinely benevolent agendas running at all. Tangentially, we at NewsHawk have been getting prodded from various quarters to "lay off' Dubya and Poppy on the "drug thing" for this very reason--because they are better than they alternative. Well, guess what. We don't agree. What's more, for the "rumor mill" or anyone else to put such unqualified faith in the utterances of federal spooks, spin-meisters and other weirdos on ANY issue seems to us the absolute height of insanity--a common definition of insanity being repeating the same action over and over but expecting to get a different result. In other words, no SANE person would expect to be getting anything resembling "truth" from the mouths of these KINGS of lies and disinformation who have utterly misled everyone in sight since the dawn of time--or certainly since the dawn of color TV. Trying to
[CTRL] Scientists say God .....Exists
-Caveat Lector- Scientists Find Evidence of God Insight on the News, April 19,1999 by Stephen Goode Reprinted with permission of Insight The Darwinist hegemony in the natural sciences may be threatened by a cutting-edge, revolutionary movement that sees intelligent design in nature - and a Designer. Chemist Charles Thaxton was amazed 15 years ago when The Mystery of Life's Origin, a book he coauthored on chemical evolution with two other scientists, provoked a very positive response from scientists around the country. Thaxton, a visiting assistant professor at Charles University in Prague, expected a negative reaction, if indeed the book (which since has come to be regarded as one of the opening salvos in what is called the Intelligent Design Movement) even was so much as noticed. After all, The Mystery of Life's Origin, which became a best-selling college text, tentatively proposed the case for intelligent design in nature and pointed out serious flaws in Darwinism. Such views were regarded as unthinkable and most definitely unscientific by the vast majority of scientists at the time, not only because Intelligent Design suggested that evolution wasn't the random, chaotic process most biologists believed it to be but (even more unacceptably) indicated the probable existence of a designer - God, perhaps - who was responsible for the design. The notion that a designer might be at work behind nature was a concept no self-respecting scientist wanted to bring into the scientific scheme of things. "I didn't think anyone would accept the book. When we wrote it, it was like being a lone wolf out there," Thaxton tells Insight. "Hard-core materialists aren't going to tolerate intelligence in nature," he says. "Then I got lots of calls from scientists and mathematicians who did" - men and women in a variety of scientific fields who were coming to the same conclusions that Thaxton had described in The Mystery of Life's Origin. They (like Thaxton and his coauthors) daily were coming across data in their laboratories and scientific pursuits that no longer could be explained by the standard model of Darwinian evolution. Such data could be better - and more scientifically - understood by arguing that certain highly complex entities in nature - the DNA molecule, for example - had been designed to do what they do and hadn't evolved randomly, by accident, which is how Darwinian evolution says they came about. William Dembski was one of those who got in touch with Thaxton. Dembski, a young man with a Ph.D. in mathematics from the University of Chicago, a second Ph.D. in philosophy from the University of Illinois at Chicago and a master's degree in theology from Princeton Theological Seminary, had a strong conviction that Thaxton not only was right but onto something that was going to revolutionize the way man looks at nature and the way biologists approach their field. He wanted to be part of that revolution. Dembski recently published his own addition to the ever-growing Intelligent Design Movement, a closely argued book that he calls The Design Inference, in which Dembski (whose impressive list of degrees led one friend to describe him as "the perpetual student") brings to bear his knowledge of symbolic logic and mathematics to argue in favor of design in nature. Dembski's book is one of the latest and most impressive contributions that grace Design studies (the name its adherents like to call it), which is a new branch of science that has grown increasingly sophisticated since Thaxton's contribution 15 years ago. Between Thaxton's coauthored book and Dembski's very recent contribution, the Intelligent Design Movement has traveled quite a distance, and more developments are on the way, its adherents promise. Intelligent Design now has its own professional journal, Origins Design. Many of its advocates belong to a think tank, the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, though many of those associated with the center are located elsewhere: Dembski, for example, is in Dallas, and Thaxton remains in Prague. And the movement has its own magazine for nonscientists, the glossy quarterly Cosmic Pursuit, in which scientists such as Thaxton and Dembski present their ideas for the general reader. What, then, are those ideas? First, they argue that their defense of Design arises directly out of the empirical data they have observed as scientists, rather than from any theological or philosophical notions they may hold. "Discoveries in mathematics and biology are making way for Design and a Designer," says Thaxton. And Michael Behe, a Lehigh University biochemist who is author of one of the Intelligent Design Movement's most important texts, Darwin's Black Box (1996), tells Insight, "Intelligent Design flows directly out of the data that now are available." What makes this claim significant is that it makes Intelligent Design a phenomenon to be dealt with and studied
Re: [CTRL] The political lessons of the Waco massacre
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-27 13:21:40 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton's absurd declaration placing sole blame for the massacre on David Koresh is self-serving and contradictory. He denounced the Branch Davidian leader as "irrational and probably insane," claiming "he bears ultimate responsibility for the carnage that ensued." So what else is new? Today the US government blames one man, Slob Milosevic, for the horrors from the air (including making Yugoslavia practically glow with DU) inflicted on Serb CIVILIANS, including women and children, plus those MANY who opposed the Milosevic regime (who just as casually are likewise blamed for the NATO casualties -- for failing to overthrow the regime that oppressed them). And the US government STILL blames one man, Saddam Hussein, for its economic embargo and continued bombing of Iraq which has cost millions of innocent CHILDREN's lives. The official foreign policy of our government is GENOCIDE, so why shouldn't that be the case domestically TOO? If OTHER superpowers acted as OUR government does (as opposed to what it SAYS it does). the next time the United States forcibly intervened in the domestic affairs of other nations (something it does on a regular basis), they --using the VERY SAME rationale-- could "legitimately" mass-murder every civilian who had voted for the sitting President, then all those who didn't vote for an opposing candidate (thus having permitted him to win the election), along with all those voters' spouses, children and relatives, and seal off America from importing food, fuel and other needed resources for a whole decade. George Walker Bush better not piss off Red China or Russia, or the American people may find these "rules of engagement" chosen by their government and (even if only by default) condoned by the electorate, applied to THEM, more universally than at Waco. "You get the government you deserve" -- as we've made clear to the Serbs and Iraqis. We've likewise made it clear that any populace which DOESN'T overthrow the dictatorial regime that oppresses it DESERVES the GENOCIDE an enemy state may inflict on it. But "what goes around comes around," eventually. Keep that in mind when you go to the polls in 2000 to cast your vote for the Commander in Chief of the next World War. YOU and YOUR CHILDREN become --by such logic-- just as "responsible" for US foreign policy casualties as the President himselft and as "JUSTLY deserving" any "terrorist attacks" using suitcase nukes, anthrax or sarin gas. (In Japan, the women and children killed in Hiroshima/Nagasaki "deserved" it, right?) "When they starved the children of Iraq, I didn't protest, because I wasn't an Iraqi ... When they bombed Yugoslavia and turned it into a toxic waste dump for its people, I didn't protest, because I wasn't a Serb ... But, by then, it was TOO LATE when--" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order]
-Caveat Lector- Faction Three ? More deception! These statist crooks have always prided themselves on "pragmatism" and "deception" FactionThree is just another route to split a growing awareness and oppositon. The REAL problem is statism and corruption.and none of these power hungry maniacs will drop these objectives. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [apfn] Martial Law - more evidence?]
-Caveat Lector- Ricky Bennett wrote: SOURCE: Ken Raggio's PROPHECY Newsletter http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-MartialLaw.htm STATUS: UNVERIFIED Ken Raggio writes: One of my readers, who recently moved to the State of Colorado wrote this to me recently: "I went to apply for a drivers license, since I moved to a new state (Colo). While I was waiting for the sheriff's deputy to take down my VIN# and complete the paperwork, I struck up a chat with the dispatcher. This is a small town so we got to talking about Y2K, etc. She told me that a friend of hers, who is a female Highway Patrol officer in New Mexico had stopped a speeding Semi/Flatbed truck, right before Christmas of last year. When she looked under the tarp covering the flatbed, she saw that it was all road signs that read - "We Are Now Under Martial Law". --- Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] British Intelligence and the internet
-Caveat Lector- Hello there Nicola, I'm in NZ too, sitting at a farm between Auckland and Hamilton (sometimes working from Auckland), and with a computer using xtra. Very interested in your comments. Lyn Try to talk in a broad Aussie or Kiwi accent I don't think the word recognition can get those 2 accents. IBM did that technology to get speech typed out..and the companys in UK that do transactions over the phone can't grasp those 2 accents no matter how hard they try to disguise it. They can get American and all the other British dialects but not us!!! They usually start taping when certain words are mentioned. Try saying ufo, you can hear whirring. I've done it and heard it. I usually find that muttering with my teeth closed in pidgin english and saying half the word with the radio on loud does the trick. Ideally the recipient has heard the word before. The other thing I'd like to say about the internet. If you don't hear from me again you'll know why. Last year about May I had a Telecom ISP called Xtra. It was getting expensive so I changed to another one. I couldn't get the customised Netscape Browser off that they gave us on CD. I did everything and then put the normal one on you get from the ftp. It downloaded as normal and then all the Xtra words appeared all over it even though I supposedly got a new one from Microsoft. I put Explorer on Meridian, but it still kept popping up and dominating the Explorer browser. After sitting for 2 days trying to do everything possible to get rid of it, I rang the Xtra help line about 10 pm. I very nicely said , excuse me could you help me get rid of your browser as I've got another ISP? An Englishman answered and blew his top and got really annoyed that I had changed and that I wouldn't get as good a service etc. Anyway I couldn't hear him as my 8 yr old kid was yelling in the background and I kept saying S every 2 mins etc. I said that it wouldn't come off and I want Netscape to go on my new ISP connection. Maybe he had a bad day but he said - Are you a solo mother? I said yes. Then he said angrily - I'm not supposed to say this but you can't get it off OK? YOU CAN'T GET IT OFF ok ? YOU HAVE TO USE EXPLORER from now on! OK then he slammed the phone down. As I am telepathic I picked up he was panicking not long afterwards. They do have a list of your email as I asked which ones were waiting before I cancelled the service and they read them out. Being rather curious I rang Xtra the next day and spoke to a New Zealand engineer at the help line and I said - Is that right that I can't get my Xtra Netscape browser off? He said - yes that's right its burned into your computer. Once you put it on you can't get it off. You could try but there's no guarantee your computer would ever work again. So I said - Is this so they can look into your computer while you are on the net. He said - Something like that, rather quietly. Then I asked him who owned Xtra and he said it was American and not connected with Telecom. I put Teletec, the owner , through the search and there was 84 pages but being a persistant type, I found what I was looking for -Teletec does CIA military internet. I rang my present ISP engineer and asked if other people had complained if they couldn't get their Xtra Netscape browser off when they went to their service. He said Yes. So I said - Do they use it for looking into your computer? He said Yes. I asked if their version of Netscape could be removed easily and was told yes. So I said -Was it just the Xtra version that is burned in ? and he said yes. Anyway I got a computer friend of mine to do his best and managed to get the new Netscape on without Xtra titles. But when I had a computer crash at the end of the year and did a partial recovery my Netscape got munted and guess what came through Xtra's dates in the prog files. As I only got the new Netscape in May. They must have made it so the top of it comes off and the original remains burned in. May I recommend using Neoplanet kids version browser to send email? Nicky Dave wrote: -Caveat Lector- Easy as pie, for them with unlimited power. Ever read Neuromancer or any of the CyberPunk sci-fi stuff? Some of it's PRE-internet et voila- here is the 'net they were writing about... the capability of spoofing IP addresses stuff is even within the reach of some hackers- let ALONE government covert-types with "powerful" access You DO know that the U.S. Department of Defense BUILT the original Internet. ? No big news that project Echelon decodes EVERY bit of internet traffic and passes it through pattern/word recognition software every bit. Telephone too, as far as I know... even fax, 'tis said. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 1999 10:57 PM To: Dave Subject: [Fwd: [CTRL] British Intelligence and
[CTRL] To think about
-Caveat Lector- "One World. One Web. One Program." - Microsoft Promo Ad "Ein Volk. Ein Reich. Ein Fuehrer." - Adolf Hitler __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-27 17:05:22 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am moving to the conclusion-after 50 years of research- that the system is corrupt and the most corrupt float to the top Simple as that... Same conclusion here. However, in order for corruption not to be PUBLICLY perceived AS corruption, a plentiful dose of "conspiring" is absolutely necessary. Let's not forget the fundamental LEGAL definition of "conspiracy," applied for example in prosecutions under the RICO statute. It needn't involve anything too bizarre or uncommon at all. It's POWER that corrupts -- especially power without accountability, the Holy Grail of the powerful, hard striven for by the power-hungry, since anything less ISN'T "power." How does one rein in, much less STOP, anyone empowered to act without accountability? Such have nowhere to go but upward, toward the capstone of a pyramid built, alas, on the common man's --even victims'-- admiration for rapacity, amorality, and corruption, in a system which demonstrably REWARDS vice on every level from the bottom up ... But "what fools these mortals be" ... We're appalled (and a little bit pleased, vengefully) at hearing how Russia has become a nation owned and operated by organized crime, yet we're too blind to notice that this is likewise the case here in the United States ... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Beware swarms of 'smart dust'
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-27 18:51:42 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Driftglass. Dust bunnies. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Poor? Don't Just Give Blood, Sell A Kidney.
-Caveat Lector- Filipino Slum Dwellers Sold Kidneys By OLIVER TEVES .c The Associated Press MANILA, Philippines (AP) - Selling their kidneys for what seemed a small fortune promised to be the path to a better life for dozens of residents of the seaside slum district of Bagong Lupa. But now they are as poor as before and have nothing much to show for their organ donations except for scars on the sides of their bodies. In addition, many say they are unable to find work as laborers because employers at the nearby port of Manila and construction sites demand only healthy workers. The $1,800 that Norberto Papa earned by selling his kidney is gone and the shanty he built with the money is shaky after a recent storm. However, he said he's happy after learning that the businessman who received his kidney is alive and well. ``If not for my kidney, he would have been dead by now,'' Papa said, hoping that the businessman will now help him. He said he was not told by doctors about the health implications of having only one kidney before it was removed. He was told only after the operation that he will have to watch salt and sugar in his diet. Controversy over the sale of organs is nothing new, and every time the topic comes into public view through the media, there is debate. In the past, however, organ selling wasn't discussed as openly, and now for the first time the government is talking about imposing some regulations on the practice. Philippine President Joseph Estrada said this week he opposes the sale of kidneys and will try and get the practice banned. In addition, Health Secretary Alberto Romualdez said this week the government soon will draw up organ donation guidelines by people unrelated to the recipient. ``One of the guidelines will be that there should be no intervening person,'' he said. ``There cannot be free consent if there is a broker.'' The sale of Papa's kidney was brokered by Dalmacio Zeta, who says he did the same for about 100 men from Bagong Lupa starting in 1992. He earned a commission of $300 for each sale, he says. After seven years, however, Zeta, 48, is as poor as the men he persuaded to ``donate'' their kidneys. Business has been declining and he has been unable to broker a sale since February, he says. His house on the garbage-littered shore of Manila Bay was demolished by storm waves and his family now lives in a shed the size of a big dinner table. Romeo Olinas, a former welder, is unhappy that he sold his kidney to an Arab man for $2,000. He said he spent at least $130 for medical expenses after the operation. He also complained about the low-salt, low-sugar diet he must maintain to avoid any kidney ailment. ``Had I known in advance, I would not have agreed,'' he said. Zeta says he doesn't force donors to give up their kidneys. He says they receive as much as $2,500 from foreign recipients and $1,800 from Filipinos. ``They agree because they are desperate, like gripping a knife's blade,'' he said. Zeta laments that the donors have not risen from poverty, but he blames drug use by some of them. ``When they have money, they buy drugs,'' he said. He said he works as an agent for a Japanese man and a Filipino woman who contact him to collect donors. Zeta said he brings potential donors to a hospital for tests before operations are conducted at the government-run National Kidney and Transplantation Institute and at St. Luke's Medical Center. Institute director Dr. Enrique Ona was not immediately available for comment. St. Luke's president, Jose F.G. Ledesma, said reports that donors were selling their kidneys were an ``eye opener'' because hospital officials and doctors were led to believe all donations were voluntary. ``It bothered us because we did not like the idea that there are middlemen brokering donations for a fee,'' he said. ``It should not be a business proposition.'' He said the hospital suspended early this month all organ donations by nonrelatives while an ethics committee reviews its policies. Earlier, it suspended organ transplants for foreigners from local donors because of allegations that syndicates were involved in the procurement of organs for foreign patients, he said. He said ``compensated or rewarded donations'' raise ethical and moral questions, but at the same time save lives. ``So how do you balance both schools of thought?'' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be
[CTRL] Bush on Gun Control
-Caveat Lector- Bush Backs Some Gun Control By JAMES PILCHER .c The Associated Press MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) - Less than 10 miles from where a distraught day trader killed himself after his bloody shooting spree left nine dead, Texas Gov. George W. Bush called gun-control measures currently being considered by Congress ``reasonable.'' The Republican presidential candidate said Friday he agrees with banning certain large ammunition clips and raising the legal age for gun ownership from 18 to 21. Bush also repeated his support for instant background checks on firearms sales at gun shows. ``These are all reasonable measures,'' the GOP front-runner told reporters after touring a homeless shelter. His comments came after several violent episodes in metropolitan Atlanta over the past three months, culminating in Mark O. Barton's shooting spree in two Atlanta office buildings. In May, a sophomore wounded six classmates in a suburban Conyers high school, and just two weeks before Barton's rampage a man killed two women and four children in their Atlanta home before killing himself. Bush has been criticized by Democrats as being soft on gun control. He has previously spoken against government-mandated gun registration, signed legislation barring cities in Texas from suing gun makers, and deemed mandatory child safety locks on firearms impractical to enforce. On Friday, Bush stressed that he still believes in gun rights. ``I believe innocent people, law-abiding citizens, ought to be allowed to own a gun. I believe they ought to be allowed to hunt and protect themselves,'' he said. But he added that current gun restrictions should be enforced more stringently. ``There ought to be consequences, and those consequences ought to be called jail,'' Bush said. Later, Bush picked up approximately $250,000 in campaign contributions from a $1,000-a-plate luncheon in nearby Smyrna. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] URGENT!!!
-Caveat Lector- This is a meaningless message. J2 Aol user wrote: -Caveat Lector- YOU GOT IT. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CAMELOT KILLINGS - The Murder of JFK Jr. and the Sisters Bi7
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Sno0wl wrote: If JFK, Jr. was the victim of foul play--as many postings here seem to strongly support-- it is interesting to speculate on what kind of pressure could be brought to bear on the remaining Kennedys and the Bissettes so that they would make not so much as a peep about it. The same pressure that kept Attorney General Robert Kennedy from investigating the murder of his brother Jack... The same pressure which led Jackie Kennedy to marry Aristotle Onassis so that she, and more importantly her children, would be 'safe' Whatever has happened or whatever is going on, it does seem that anyone with major public clout who has won public sympathy through a show of genuine "humanity" and "compassion" has been very publiclly snuffed. John Lennon being a case in point... If they aren't killed, then often a public scandal is orchestrated (unfortunately, with many of the 'victims' being willing ruses, due to their own vices) that effectively short-circuits their public career... June ;-) *===* If we listened to our intellect, we'd never have a love affair. We'd never have a friendship. We'd never go into business, because we'd be cynical. Well, that's nonsense. You've got to jump off cliffs all the time and build your wings on the way down. ---Ray Bradbury *===* *---* revcoal AT connix DOT com *---* It is UNLAWFUL to send unsolicited commercial email to this email address per United States Code Title 47 Sec. 227. I assess a fee of $500.00 US currency for reading and deleting such unsolicited commercial email. Sending such email to this address denotes acceptance of these terms. My posting messages to Usenet neither grants consent to receive unsolicited commercial email nor is intended to solicit commercial email. ** DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [ThePentagonGuru] banking...]
-Caveat Lector- David Gould wrote: Bankers are scared, and do you know why? Do you understand fractional reserve banking? The banking system that is/has been used to destroy/contol America? Do you understand fraud? Well, if you do not understand fraud, just read what follows, and you will start to get a much better picture. But, while you are doing so, you had also better start paying attention. I said that bankers are scared. What follows is not what scares them (they are not aware enough to understand this is coming). What scares the bankers is losing a portion of their deposits, which are used to support their "credit." Do you understand? People are starting to pull cash out of the banks (smart people!). If the banks lose as little as 2% of their deposit base, they will need to start calling in outstanding loans at the rate of about TEN TO ONE; for every dollar going out the door, they have to call in ten dollars in loans. A mathmatical impossibility. This is why every nation which has permitted fractional reserve banking has self destructed. Eventually, the people always wise up enough to lose "faith" in the bankers credit. But, those countries did not have the Declaration of Independence, and the people had no recourse. When the following info gets into enough hands, do you suppose this may accelerate the bank's problems, just a little? The American economy is a greatly expanded balloon. It is going to collaspe, or it is going to go boom. What happens to you and your family when the economy stops is strictly dependent on what you do to prepare now. Think about how bad it is going to be in the cities. Then read the following, and get involved. There are solutions being found. You can help, and by helping, you can gain a tremendous amout. What would it mean to your family to have no house payment when things get tough? And no need to pay the so-called property tax? Would it be easier to survive? Your decision. I have sent out enough info over the last several months that you should be getting some clues as to how possible this is. God Bless, David http://kskc.net/public/tmccrory/goingon.htm BANKING CREDIT: There are some essentials relating to banking and credit that must be understood in order to come to terms with how to successfully discharged bank-originated debt. The first matter is the nature of "credit" extended by Federally chartered and/or Federal Reserve or FDIC-member financial institutions. The first is to grasp what "credit" is, as defined at 15 U.S.C. 1602(e): "Credit" is a grant of authority to defer payment of debt, or create debt then defer payment. For purposes of the Consumer Protection Act, the "creditor" is defined as the financial institution which provides credit, and the merchant who provides goods and services. However, that definition is limited to the Consumer Protection Act itself -- it does not have general application. Where there is a "credit" transaction under auspices of a Federal grant of authority, the financial institution is in all cases operating as "fiscal agent" of the United States, and in most if not all cases, as a "mixed-ownership" (hybrid) United States corporation. The United States is always principal of interest -- the "debt" is ultimately an obligation to the United States, and the United States has the only right of action to recover the debt. The financial institution which originates the "credit" merely services the debt, it is not the principal of interest. The financial institution, whether a national bank, credit union, or whatever, is organized as an "association" to provide basic financial services for qualified association members. These entities deal exclusively in "public money" -- public money is hypothecated "credit of the United States". Therefore, only people who are authorized by law to receive and use "public money" are qualified to be association members. Those authorized by law to receive and use "public money" are officers and employees of the United States, territories and insular possessions subject to sovereignty of the United States, and Indian tribes recognized by United States Government. See limiting provisions at 31 CFR 202(a), and FDIC insurance solely of "public money" accounts at 12 U.S.C. § 1821(a)(2)(A). This is where the Social Security number comes in -- the Social Security number creates a presumption that whoever applies for credit is one of those entitled to custody and use of public money. However, that in and of itself isnt sufficient to sustain most foreclosures, etc., as the financial institution has no right of action to foreclose consumer or other "credit" obligations. A national
Re: [CTRL] GWB:``I support them all,'' [Congress'GunProposals]
-Caveat Lector- What about the cocaine? Bard wrote: -Caveat Lector- Bush Backs Some Gun-Control Efforts By James Pilcher Associated Press Writer Friday, August 27, 1999; 1:36 p.m. EDT MARIETTA, Ga. (AP) -- Texas Gov. George W. Bush, bringing his GOP presidential campaign to an area stung by episodes of wanton gun violence, today endorsed efforts in Congress to raise the legal age for gun ownership to 21 from 18. Bush also backed proposals in Congress to outlaw certain large ammunition clips and repeated his support for background checks on firearms sales at gun shows. ``I support them all,'' Bush said when asked about the proposals. ``These are all reasonable measures.'' Democrats have attacked Bush as being soft on gun control, noting he has spoken against government-mandated gun registration, signed legislation barring cities in Texas from suing gun makers for the costs of violence, and deemed mandatory child safety locks on firearms impractical to enforce. Bush today stressed his core belief in gun rights. ``I believe innocent people, law-abiding citizens, ought to be allowed to own a gun,'' he told reporters. ``I believe they ought to be allowed to hunt and protect themselves.'' He said previously he would have voted for legislation defeated by the House that would have required a 24-hour background check on weapons sales at gun shows. Most Democrats pushed for a longer waiting period and argued a 24-hour mandate actually would have allowed some gun show sales to move faster. Bush was ending a three-day Southern campaign swing in the Atlanta area, where several shootings this summer commanded national attention. On July 29, Mark O. Barton shot and killed nine people at two day-trading firms in Atlanta before committing suicide. Barely two weeks earlier, a gunman killed two women and four children in their Atlanta home before killing himself. In May, a 15-year-old boy opened fire at his high school in suburban Conyers, wounding six classmates. Bush started the day touring a church-run homeless shelter. He held it out as an example of a religious organization that should be eligible for government money. http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990827/V76-082799-idx.htm l Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- And it takes the threat of a film of Jeb and George Bush receiving Cocaine by the kilo to have this all come outwhat a bunch of rats they all are, and what a bunch of sheep we have become... flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 12:37 PM Subject: Re: White House blamed for secret unit at Waco Sure, Koresh was minding his own business - dealing weapons and fucking little girls. Nice religion. Apparently you subscribe to the Waco Witch's philosophy of "burn them alive to prevent them from being abused". Nope. I think Koresh and his lieutenants did the killing. I'm amazed that so many people choose to support this psychopath; amazed, but not really surprised. I suspect a coordinated disinfo campaign, possibly Chinese-sponsored, directed at all US gov't actions, a classic Leninist strategy to demoralize the US people. What silly pro government hate nonsense. I watched the murder of the Waco Children on live TV. I watched in shocked horror as the Feds smashed down the building on top of the kids. It was clear that they were trying to kill these people even before the fire started. But I guess watching tanks intentionally knock down a building on top of kids must be some kind of Chinese Mind Meld over my TV screen. The Feds knew that the flimsy plywood building was filled with burning kerosene lamps when they started their demolition derby. They didn't need pyrotechnics to start the fire, just knock the place down and the fire was preordained to start. But of course they had to smash and burn the kids to protect them from "abuse". And shoot gas (CS) that was banned by the Geneva Convention (and that was well known to be fatal to children). Interesting to see if the sequel to the Waco Documentary will include (as is now being mentioned) infra red tape of the Feds shooting the Davidians with automatic assault rifles as they fled from the rear of the burning building. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FCC licks FBI boots
-Caveat Lector- More Retroactive Legislation DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: Re: Steve Seagal to do battle with Bush gang/Cocaine-Gate News
From: "Mike Ruppert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just for the record everybody: Settle down will ya! Through the PR firm Rogers and Cowan, Steven Seagal's publicist told a CNN Producer late Wednesday that Steven Seagal does not know Terry Reed, has no business dealings with Terry Reed and is not developing any film with Terry Reed. That is Seagal's official position at the moment. This is completely opposite from the piece on the web. I have reason to believe that people have put pressure on Seagal but that is ONLY speculation on my part and someone was quite sharp in noting the relationship between Seagal and Booth Nichols. These waters are deep. If I have information to the contrary about a deal, which I might, I would not release it until I was certain of its impact upon Reed and family. He is still not returning calls to anyone that I know. There was undue hype behind the first story on Seagal and that is all I will say at the moment. Everybody needs to settle down, take a breath and read the next issue of From The Wilderness when I mail on Monday to my subscribers. No further comment or response on this list until I publish. Some of you are going to be embarrassed. Just settle down. Things are good. The same system which hides CIA and drugs is the same system which hides Waco. It is cracking but hysteria never served anyone not in times like these. Mike Ruppert www.copvcia.com -Original Message- From: David Crockett Williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 10:56 PM To: virginia mccullough Cc: CIA-Drugs List Subject:[CIA-DRUGS] Re: Re: Steve Seagal to do battle with Bush gang/Cocaine-Gate News From: "David Crockett Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Virginia for this feedback which I am passing on to some to whom it might be valuable. -Original Message- From: virginia mccullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 27, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: Steve Seagal to do battle with Bush gang/Cocaine-Gate News From: "virginia mccullough" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Steve Seagal to do battle with Bush gang/Cocaine-Gate News Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:27:22 PDT John: Oh, this gives me a warm and cozy feeling. Steven Seagal, who is the close personal friend of CIA arms dealer Robert Booth Nichols, is going head on head with Bubba. In this instance I have to go with Bubba. I have RBN's resume and know of all of his many estates world wide that he acquired by dealing death weapons around the world. Steven Seagal and RBN are so tight that RBN had a bit role in Seagal's "Under Seige". Seagal is also tight with Linda Tumulty of Berkely who is a close friend of Oswald LeWinter, the CIA disinformation specialist now in jail in Austria for trying to defraud Al Fayed out of $20M for phony CIA documents alleging the CIA cooperated with MI5/MI6 in the murder of Dodi Fayed and Princess Diana. Seagal is not a hero - he is part and parcel of the Evil Empire. Virginia[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "NewsHawk Inc." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Steve Seagal to do battle with Bush gang/Cocaine-Gate News Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:34:17 + Original Message Subject: Cocaine-Gate News: Seagal to do battle with Bush gang Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:14:11 -0700 From: "David Crockett Williams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "GeneralAgencyServices" [EMAIL PROTECTED] The American Times, August 24, 1999; www.theamericantimes.com Cocaine-Gate News A group of Texas prison inmates are preparing legal action to demand their release since Governor G W Bush has committed the same crimes. Seagal to battle Bush gang Remember the Bush gang involved in the Iran-Contra operation? Don Gregg, William Bar, Oliver North, Felix Rodriques etc, along with Barry Seal and Terry Reed? In an interview with the American Times, officials of Seagal Nosa Productions state that they are in the process of aquiring the movie rights to Terry Reed's bombshell book, "COMPROMISED -- Clinton, Bush and the CIA" In recent reports (see From The Wilderness below), Reed has implicated Governor Cokehead in the trafficking of cocaine, as does the book. Kick-ass mega star Steven Seagal is set to play Reed. Maybe this movie will open several days prior to election day, with an election surprise of President Seagal taking office in January. Did you forget how the washed-up Minnesota wrestler won? See also The American Times, August 23, 1999 for story. www.theamericantimes.com Mike Rupert, former LAPD narcotics officer, of From The Wilderness, reports that Terry Reed was at sting in Miami and is on a videotape that documents the GWBush cocaine kilo acquisition in 1985 http://www.copvcia.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click for full story at www.theamericantimes.com Movie being made, staring Steven Segal.
[CTRL] Fwd: SNET: [piml] Police Invade and Kill LA Grandfather
- SNETNEWS Mailing List Bereft Family Disputes Police Shooting Report By ANNE-MARIE O'CONNOR LA Times Staff Writer It was an hour before midnight when an El Monte police SWAT team, serving a search warrant as part of a broad-ranging narcotics investigation, undertook what it called the "high-risk entry" of a Compton home--shooting the locks off the front and back doors. Their warrant, which named no one in the Paz home, says police expected to find marijuana and cash belonging to a suspected member of a drug ring who had allegedly used the house as a mail drop. They found no drugs, but in the course of the search they shot a retired grandfather twice in the back--killing him. The widow was hustled out of the house in nothing but panties, a towel and plastic handcuffs. She and six others were later taken away and intensively interrogated, but no one was charged. Ten thousand dollars in cash was seized as evidence, along with a .22- caliber rifle and three pistols, according to investigators for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. The family said that the money was patriarch Mario Paz's life savings and that he kept firearms for protection in the high-crime neighborhood. El Monte police, who obtained the search warrant and conducted the Aug. 9 raid, said they were using standard procedure for dangerous places where they fear officers will be fired on. A sheriff's investigator said the El Monte officer shot Paz because he thought he was reaching for a weapon--something Paz's widow, Maria Luisa, adamantly denies. Now the six children of Mario Paz--a grandfather of 14 who would have turned 65 this week--are demanding to know why the police burst into the home while the family was sleeping. And what were El Monte police doing in Compton? The arrest warrant said the Paz home was considered high-risk because high-powered rifles were found in a search of another home linked to the suspect. And El Monte police say their aggressive anti-drug strategy commonly prompts them to serve search warrants as far afield as Riverside, San Diego and San Bernardino. "We go all over. Anything related to our town we go out and get," said El Monte Police Sgt. Steve Krigbaum, the head of the force's Narcotics Policing Division. "If we can show it directly impacts narco activity here, we'll go after it," he said. Brian Dunn, the lawyer representing the Pazes, said the officers should have known the family did not pose a threat. "They fired shotguns through doors and windows as people were sleeping," Dunn said. "The tactics in this case were beyond merely reckless. I don't think there's anything [the family] could have done to prevent [Mario Paz] from getting killed. This was no different than a home invasion, in terms of what happened to the family." 'It Was Like War,' Neighbor Says Family members said they believed that a robbery was in progress when they heard the shooting. Sheriff's investigators say El Monte police shot the locks off the front and back doors to the house, shot a "diversionary device" into a back bedroom window that illuminated it, and threw a so-called flash-bang grenade on the ground behind the house. Neighbors said they awoke with a jolt when they heard the shooting. "It was like war," said Luz Escamilla, who lives next door. El Monte Police Lt. Craig Sperry, commander of the Special Emergency Response Team that carried out the operation, said up to 20 El Monte officers were involved in the raid. He said he could not comment on specific tactics used that night because of the possibility of litigation. He said Compton police, who have refused all comment, were also at the scene. However, Sperry said, "We always announce, 'El Monte police. Open the door.' " El Monte Assistant Police Chief Bill Ankeny said an explosive entry is a standard SWAT procedure and can involve opening a door with a battering ram or a round of gunfire. "We throw flash-bang grenades. We bust open the doors. You've seen it on TV," Ankeny said. "We do bang on the door and make an announcement--'It's the police'--but it kind of runs together. If you're sitting on the couch, it would be difficult to get to the door before they knock it down." Sleeping on their couch, the Paz family said, was David Martinez, 63, a convalescing friend. He was unhurt. Until the raid occurred, the family said, they had been resting after a routine Monday. Maria Luisa Paz, 51, said her husband, a Mexican immigrant, had been driven to Tijuana for doctor's appointments that morning. She showed a reporter his purchases of medicine prescribed for his heart condition, prostate ailment, and back problems from a 1985 on-the-job injury. She said he also emptied his Tijuana bank account of more than $10,000 in savings, fearing that the money could be lost to the much-publicized computer complications that some people are afraid will occur Jan. 1. She showed a reporter the bank receipt for the withdrawal. Mario took his medicine at 8 p.m. and went to
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order]
-Caveat Lector- "NewsHawk Inc." wrote: The "mill" has recently put out an article in which they wax positively ecstatic and giddy about their extensive elbow-rubbing with countless "G-men" and other varieties of feds at the recent "Global Sciences Congress" in Denver, Colorado. These hordes of feds were cited by the "mill" as having provided same with massive amounts of "information" (?) and play by plays on the ins and outs of what's going on in the country right now; in terms of which factions are vying with which other factions in the realms of power politics and such, for control of the future direction of our nation. Prominent among the claims made by these sources was that G. Dubya Bush, handpicked by the lords of the New World Order to be our next President (no, don't worry; no voting needed!), has in fact recently decided to switch his allegiance to the cryptically-named "faction three." OUR understanding of "faction three"--based on information from sources OTHER than spooks or "G-men"--is that it pretty much represents the 'business as usual" crowd. In other words, the people who think that the NWO's plans to exterminate and/or incarcerate hundreds of millions of human beings are just a little extreme and what's much more important, BAD FOR BUSINESS. They like things PRETTY MUCH as they are because they MAKE A LOT OF MONEY THIS WAY. I'm not sure that's what RuMills said or that the interpretation is valid. From what she says below, she doubts that Bush and Bush have actually joined Faction Three--only that they appear to have. Her next installment seems to have been interrupted by her computer problems and lack of funds. Now her credibility is being attacked by NewsHawk. What's going on here? Linda Minor The full George W. Bush story will be told in a following article. The whole story is far too complicated to be told in this rambling note. To tell the whole story of "Dub", it is necessary to tell the story of Faction Three... both the civilian and the military sides, and the incredible story of how they have gained control of 80% of the money in the world. To change the world forever, in a positive way, all that is needed is a signature in a blue book! There are two people who can provide this signature. One of them is holding out for 25% of all the world's wealth. By demanding 25% for himself alone, this person has isolated himself in a sea of sharks. Either he is insane or he is trying to strike some sort of a deal. If he doesn't see the light soon, and sign the blue book, he will see the light! * * * * * One of the other unusual pieces of trivia that greeted RMNews upon our return, was an article about our Founder in Chief, Gunther Russbacher. Someone has dredged up an old article and has begun circulating it along with a lot of negative comments which disparage and attack Russbacher's reputation and his claim to be a CIA operative. It has been a long time since anyone attacked Russbacher's credentials and credibility. The article that is being sent around was written in 1990. It states that when Russbacher was arrested for impersonating a Navy officer he had his Navy Captain's bars on upside down. This piece of blatant misinformation was used to discredit and dismiss him in the minds of the uneducated media. If you think about this statement logically you will realize that the person who made the statement was either a paid government liar, or an incredibly ignorant man. An Army Captain has bars. A Navy Captain has Eagles because a Navy Captain is equivalent in rank to an Army Colonel a full bird Colonel also wears Eagles on his shoulders. How many of you have seen an Army Captain's bars? Is there anyway that they can be pinned on a uniform upside down? I haven't seen an Army Captain's bars since I pinned them on my brother. As I remember, there was no way the bars could be upside down... sideways maybe... or crooked, but upside down NO WAY! But Russbacher wasn't wearing an Army Captain's bars. If he had pinned anything on his uniform upside down, it would have been his Navy Captain's Eagles. The FBI portrays Russbacher as the world's greatest conman. Do you really think the world's greatest conman could have pinned his Navy Captain's Eagles on his uniform upside down? Don't you think he or his wife would have noticed that the Eagles were upside down? But Russbacher wasn't wearing the uniform that would have permitted him to wear Navy Eagles. He was wearing summer whites. Summer whites have shoulder boards. For anyone who has ever been in the NAVY or watched JAG, you will see that shoulder boards cannot be put on upside down. In other words, the misinformation about Russbacher having his Captain's bars pinned on upside down, was a blatant lie put out to discredit him. The article served its purpose. It discredited Russbacher and made him look like an incompetent idiot. It took two full years of
Re: [CTRL] British Intelligence and the internet
-Caveat Lector- But when I had a computer crash at the end of the year and did a partial recovery my Netscape got munted and guess what came through Xtra's dates in the prog files. As I only got the new Netscape in May. They must have made it so the top of it comes off and the original remains burned in. Have you tried backing up your critical data and reformatting your hard drive? That ought to work. Kathleen Resistance Is Useless! (If 1 ohm) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Texas DPS Statement Tear Gas Evidence - Branch Davidian Siege
-Caveat Lector- Got it- here ya go: http://texasranger.org/fbi.htm I can't get in and I've been trying since last night. Kathleen "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Goethe DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Next War. 5
-Caveat Lector- Friday, 27 August 1999 ** * COMMENTARY * ** Danger: U.S. could go to war on the wrong side -- by Jonathan Power MADRID, Spain -- After Kosovo, why not Colombia, land of the drug barons and 40 years of near-continuous civil war? The world may drop its jaw at the idea of a NATO-like international military intervention to pacify leftist guerrilla groups, army-backed and fascist-inclined paramilitaries and the world's most ruthless drug cartels. But some in Bogota are touting it as a necessary solution. And if not an international force, then the U.S. military. Don't drop your jaw. None other than the U.S. commander in chief, Bill Clinton, said last month that vital American interests are at stake in Colombia and that it is ``very much in our national security interests to do what we can.'' When the U.S. President uses these code words, it essentially means that the backbone of the U.S. military, intelligence and national-security bodies has decided that the United States is prepared to go to any lengths -- even war -- to deal with the problem. Clinton's statement may have been sparked by the relatively trivial loss of a U.S. military reconnaissance plane flying over Colombia. But it comes after a long period of slow-burning, mounting frustration at the inability of successive Colombian governments to get to grips with the armed gangs that threaten to destabilize the government and with the narcotic traffickers who supply hard drugs to the American market. If U.S. intervention were likely to be evenhanded, perhaps there could be an argument for it. After all, Colombia often is exhibit No. 1 for those who say: Look what happens when the outside world doesn't intervene -- local fires just burn brighter and fiercer. But evenhanded doesn't appear in the current lexicon of Pentagon thinking on Colombia. Almost perversely, the Clinton administration seems to be ignoring what the New York-based Human Rights Watch describes as ``the root of these abuses . . . the Colombian army's consistent and pervasive failure to ensure human-rights standards and distinguish civilians from combatants.'' Terrible violence is being inflicted both upon each other and on civilian innocents by the three sides in the armed struggle. But by no stretch of the independent reporting available can it be said that the left-wing guerrillas are the most vicious or the most responsible. The consensus is that the army is in league with the right-wing paramilitaries who, in turn, are in league with the drug mafia. It is they who set the pace of assassinations, organize death squads, inflict torture and practice widespread intimidation. The army not only has failed to move against the rightist paramilitaries in any significant way; it has tolerated their activity, even providing some of them with intelligence and logistical support. In a 1998 report the Bogota office of the United Nations High Commission for Human Rights observed that ``witnesses frequently state that massacres were perpetrated by members of the armed forces passing themselves off as paramilitaries.'' It is true that both the governments of Ernesto Samper and Andres Pastrana have suspended or closed down particular units, such as the army's notorious 20th Brigade. Yet officers are rarely, if ever, prosecuted, and some even have been promoted. Occasionally there is a dismissal. ``Defending human rights in Colombia is a dangerous profession,'' says Susan Osnos of Human Rights Watch. Yet it continues to attract unusually dedicated people. Last year when assassins gunned down the president of a human-rights committee in Medellin, the drug traffickers' hometown, he was the fourth president to be killed since 1987. Even so, someone else has taken his place. The Clinton administration's attempts to be evenhanded have been derisory: On one hand, it allows the State Department to issue human-rights reports critical of the Colombian establishment. Last year's report accused the government of ``tacit acquiescence'' of abuses, and in May 1998 the United States revoked the visa of one particularly corrupt and cruel general. On the other hand, its main direction has been to increase aid to the Colombian military and reduce the strings attached as to how the aid is used. It also has deployed CIA and Pentagon operatives to work with Colombian security-force units that cannot be given a clean bill of health on human-rights abuses. Last year Gen. Charles Wilhelm, head of U.S. Southern Command, told a committee of Congress that criticism of military abuses was ``unfair.'' Now, with the pace being set by Gen. Barry McCaffrey, the administration's top anti-narcotics official, Washington is giving more and more aid to the Colombian military, supposedly for combating the drug menace, but in practice aimed disproportionately at the
Re: [CTRL] The political lessons of the Waco massacre
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/28/99 2:08:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "When they starved the children of Iraq, I didn't protest, because I wasn't an Iraqi ... When they bombed Yugoslavia and turned it into a toxic waste dump for its people, I didn't protest, because I wasn't a Serb ... But, by then, it was TOO LATE when--" Amen. Om K - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Next War. 6
-Caveat Lector- Friday, 27 August 1999 U.S. drug chief in Peru amid Andes narcotics crisis --- By Saul Hudson LIMA, Peru -- U.S. drug czar Gen. Barry McCaffrey and President Alberto Fujimori met on Thursday to strengthen coordination in the anti-narcotics fight amid signs traffickers could be winning the war in the Andean region. McCaffrey is on a four-country South American trip to bolster cooperation to thwart smugglers as cocaine output in Colombia soars and production of the raw material, coca leaf, flourishes in neighbouring Peru. Fujimori and McCaffrey acknowledged setbacks in recent months against growers of coca leaf, but remained upbeat about Peru's strategy to beat back the illegal trade in one of the world's top producing nations. The drug czar, who has warned of a ``growing drug crisis'' in Andean nations, praised Fujimori's anti-narcotics efforts running down traffickers and helping farmers shift to legal crops with aid and advice from the United States. ``I have enormous respect for what Peru has accomplished in the last three or four years -- it is an example to be studied in the international community. And I have personal respect for President Fujimori's leadership in this process,'' McCaffrey told reporters during his one-day visit to Peru. Fujimori said he expressed concern in the meeting that Peru's relative success in the anti-drug war could lead to the United States diverting some much-needed aid to neighbours with worse narcotics problems. McCaffrey's second trip to South America within a month reflects heightened U.S. concern that chaos in war-torn Colombia could destabilise a region that has made progress this decade in economic and democratic reforms. McCaffrey has been urging national leaders on this trip, which also includes Brazil, Argentina and Bolivia, to treat Colombia's difficulties as a regional problem. Before boarding a plane bound for Argentina -- the last stop on his tour -- McCaffrey told Reuters Television Colombia's situation was worsening rapidly and warned of spillover into neighbouring countries. Bogota's government is battling to contain leftist guerrillas financed by drug money. Colombia provides about 80 percent of the world's cocaine, obtaining much of the coca leaf from Peru. With the White House convinced Colombia's drug and insurgency problems cannot be divorced from each other, McCaffrey is pressing for the United States to triple its anti-drug aid for Latin America to $1 billion next year. Fujimori is in the vanguard of regional efforts to contain Colombia's guerrillas, who control two-thirds of the countryside in areas bordering Peru, Venezuela, Brazil and Ecuador. This year, Fujimori has sent extra troops to the 1,000-mile (1,600-km) border with Colombia and warned rebels there they can expect no mercy if they cross the Amazon frontier. Fujimori's achievements this decade in defeating once- powerful rebels and slashing drug output have set a standard for other regional leaders like Colombian President Andres Pastrana. Following his orders, Peru's military shot down aircraft used by traffickers. But McCaffrey has warned gains made by Lima could be eroded because farmers were returning to abandoned fields of coca leaf. Peru's anti-drug campaign has faltered over the last year as traffickers -- encouraged by prices that have about doubled in the period -- smuggle coca through the Amazon to neighbouring countries, especially Colombia, on foot or by mule and boat. The booming trade in Colombia and Peru contrasts with Bolivia, which McCaffrey predicted this week could eliminate all cocaine production within a few years thanks to its model policies eradicating coca fields and helping farmers shift to legal crops. Copyright 1999 Reuters Limited _ * * CSN-L is brought to you by the COLOMBIAN LABOR MONITOR at * * http://www.prairienet.org/clm * * To subscribe send request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *SUB CSN-L Firstname Lastname * * (Direct questions about CSN-L to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) * *To subscribe to Colombia Bulletin: A Human RIghts Quarterly* * contact Colombia Support Network, P.O. Box 1505, Madison WI 53701 * *call:(608) 257-8753 or visit http://www.igc.org/csn* * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the
[CTRL] The Next War.7
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, 26 August 1999 McCaffrey meets Peru's Fujimori on Latin anti-drug tour --- LIMA, Peru -- US drugs czar Barry McCaffrey held talks with Peruvian President Alberto Fujimori on the third leg of his Latin American tour here Thursday before leaving for Argentina. McCaffrey, who is on an eight-day tour to promote regional cooperation in the battle against drug trafficking, met with Fujimori and his Foreign Minister Fernando de Trazegnies at the presidential palace. Peru is a major source of coca --the raw material used in making cocaine-- and discussions with McCaffrey centered on crop substitution programs, Peruvian officials said. McCaffrey told Peruvian officials that Washington now sees the drug trade as a hemispheric problem -- a change from the days when it was considered a problem merely of producer and consumer nations. At every stop of his tour, McCaffrey has been asked about possible US intervention in Colombia, a nation that shares one of Peru's northern borders. One plan discussed in the media involves a regional army entering Colombia to pacify the country. As at every stop, McCaffrey again denied direct US involvement in Colombia. Colombians should resolve their own problems, but with political regional support, McCaffrey said. The White House point man on drugs also sat down with anti-narcotics officials, human rights groups and the state ombudsman before heading on to Argentina late Thursday. Copyright 1999 Agence France Presse _ * * CSN-L is brought to you by the COLOMBIAN LABOR MONITOR at * * http://www.prairienet.org/clm * * To subscribe send request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *SUB CSN-L Firstname Lastname * * (Direct questions about CSN-L to [EMAIL PROTECTED]) * *To subscribe to Colombia Bulletin: A Human RIghts Quarterly* * contact Colombia Support Network, P.O. Box 1505, Madison WI 53701 * *call:(608) 257-8753 or visit http://www.igc.org/csn* * DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Spin-meisters, G.W. Bush Jr. And The New World Order]
-Caveat Lector- What is going on indeed? It is called info-war, and the best one can do is to read it all, sift and discern. Disinfo and mis are tools of the trade. Mainstream media is not 'news' it is propaganda and sway pieces. My daddy told me that over thirty years ago and he had been out of the fray for ten years at that. He also said you learn much from the mis/dis - look to where they are sending folks, AND look at what is left out. The play is the game and the game is the play. Conspiratism is an interesting force and has been shown by history, a conspiracy theory doesn't need to be true to make an impact upon our world and everyday lives. Conspiratism is being used and has been used for deception and priming the 'fear' pump. Work 'em up into irrationality and hope it doesn't bite you. Caveat Lector means more than beware of what you read, but also recognize the fact that what you read effects you, and be wary of what you believe from what you read. And after having one's personal beliefs in 'how the world operates' shattered, leaves a void which can be filled by . . . 'creamcheese' or any other 'satisfying concepts'. Fear and ignorance then supply basis for jumping off the cliff into a morass of shifting sands with false rocks of hate and prejudice to cling and build houses that roil with the waves of time. The hoodwink of many generations is being pulled offque sera, sera. Onwards to the utmost of futures! May god bless us all. Om K In a message dated 8/28/99 6:17:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure that's what RuMills said or that the interpretation is valid. From what she says below, she doubts that Bush and Bush have actually joined Faction Three--only that they appear to have. Her next installment seems to have been interrupted by her computer problems and lack of funds. Now her credibility is being attacked by NewsHawk. What's going on here? Linda Minor DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA agents public disclosures articles
-Caveat Lector- from: http://pages.nyu.edu/~jwb209/otherdocuments.htm A HREF="http://pages.nyu.edu/~jwb209/otherdocuments.htm"Other Documents/A - At site. Sample below. Om K - John Stockwell [ex-CIA] Speech Transcript(1986) "Full Disclosure" Interview with ex-CIA Agent Victor Marchetti (1986) "Playboy" Interview with ex-CIA Agent Phillip Agee (1988) Phillip Agee Speech Transcript (1979) Article Detailing Reagan Campaign's Involvement in Sabotaging Carter's Hostage Rescue Attempt Article from "Earth Magazine" Detailing US Tests of VX Gas During the Vietnam War (1972) In-Depth Account of Experiences of CIA Station Chief in Tehran During Hostage Crisis Enjoy these documents and, as with the others, decide upon their authenticity for yourself. = from: http://pages.nyu.edu/~jwb209/Hostages.htm A HREF="http://pages.nyu.edu/~jwb209/Hostages.htm"Hostages/A - The October Surprise An abridged transcript of a radio documentary program by "The Other Americas Radio" and broadcast on public radio stations across the nation. Supplemented by information presented in the documentary movie "COVERUP, Behind the Iran Contra Affair," currently showing at independent movie theaters across the nation, and "An Election Held Hostage," from the October 1988 issue of Playboy. Editorial elaboration is in []'s. [ed. This program does not purport to prove the allegations presented in it, that is for a court of law. What it does do is make a compelling case for furthur investigation.] Narrator: November 1979: 52 americans were taken hostage in Iran. The american public was held in suspense while the Carter administration worked to bring the hostages home, first in the failed 'Desert 1' rescue attempt, and then through negotiations with the revolutionary Iranian government. In October of 1980 an agreement was reached to unfreeze Iran's monetary assets for the safe return of the hostages. For some reason, the hostages were not released until January 20, 1981, the day Ronald Reagan was inaugurated as president. In the dawn of the Reagan era, many, in momentary blindness, neglected to seriously question the implications of such an event. It is now charged that in the few months before the 1980 presidential election, the tremors of a covert action against America, by americans, was shaking the nation. Narrator: In this special program we will examine the allegations that members of the Reagan/Bush campaign cut a secret deal with the revolutionary government in Iran before the 1980 election. We will also explore what may have been the deliberate failure of President Carter's 'Desert 1' hostage rescue mission. Narrator: Barbara Honegger was a researcher and policy analyst with the Reagan/Bush campaign in 1980. Subsequently she spent two years in the white house as a policy advisor to President Reagan. Honegger's investigation into this issue has revealed a disturbing story of treason, blackmail, and sabotage. Honegger: The very possibility that Carter could bring the hostages home was close to certain to wreck a Reagan bid for the presidency. So the Reagan campaign took phenomenal secret measures to ensure that the Carter white house was not successful. Reagan's 1980 campaign manager, William Casey, was knowledgable, before the fact, of the upcoming Carter Desert 1 rescue attempt of April, 1980. Now that is a phenomenal fact, because many of even the highest level officers in Carter's own CIA were kept in the dark about that very operation. Narrator: Historian and author Donald Fried suggests links between the Reagan campaign and the failed rescue operation. Fried: Precisely the people in the intelligence community commissioned to develop some kind of rescue for the hostages, were clearly those elements of CIA who were close to Bush and Casey, and demonstrably hostile to Carter. Narrator: Was the CIA loyal to President Carter, or to candidate Reagan? Johnathan Marshall is an investigative journalist and co-author, along with Professor Peter Scott of UC at Berkeley, of the book "The Iran Contra Connection". Like Fried, Marshall views with suspicion some circumstances surrounding Carter's rescue attempt. Marshall: Brian Copeland, who had had some CIA connections in the past, ran in the Washington Star, a hypothetical hostage rescue piece, how he would do it, and it is so remarkably close to the actual mission, and came only a few days before the mission took place, that there is legitimate room to at least question whether it was some kind of leak that came out in the form of fiction to protect him from charges of sabotaging it. He printed a scenario for a rescue in the desert, and that story was broadcast on radio Iraq Iran, and it was certainly heard in Iran. So the administration's most closely guarded secret was in effect foreshadowed by this published scenario. Narrator: Several years after leaving the white house, Barbara Honegger's research showed some
[CTRL] Victor Marchetti, the IHR and anti-Semitism
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548457"Victor Marchetti, the IHR and anti-Semitism/A - Subject: Victor Marchetti, the IHR and anti-Semitism From: Walter -Big Train- Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 August 1999 10:17 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is an example of the writings of your big Liberty Lobby hero, Victor Marchetti, who is the Editor of The New American View, a grossly anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist piece of claptrap yellow journalism. And he is numbered by most of you as a herioc truth seeking JFK Assn researcher. Ha! Fooled you all, I guess. You CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time I see. Are YOU numbered among the brainwashed fools who would let THIS GUY make you believe that the Jews, the left wing in the CIA and the left-wing liberals killed JFK? His buddies at the IHR, Regnery Press, and Liberty Lobby like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver, Mark Lane, Robert Morrow and now even Dan Moldea and company all push separate lines of scapegoating, deceit and prevarications designed to brainwash you and make you look away from The Congress of Freedom, Liberty Lobby, NSRP, The Pioneer Fund and the KKK when seeking the true killers of JFK. This will not work if you are vigilant, intelligent and perceptive like me.Try it. You might like it. Big Walt Disinformation The Big Hollywood Lie: Denying that Jews Control the Film Business When country singer Dolly Parton told Vogue magazine a couple of months ago that her idea for a TV series about a country singer who becomes a gospel singer was turned down by Hollywood, she said that "everyone's afraid to touch anything that religious because most of the people out here are Jewish, and it's a frightening thing for them to promote Christianity." Truer words were never spoken. But the ADL's chief troublemaker, Abe Foxman, immediately flew into one of his by-now tiresome furies and fired off a letter (which he made available to the news media, of course) to Dolly, scolding her for her innocent, honest comment. Foxman charged that Ms. Parton was invoking "the old antisemitic stereotype of Jewish control of Hollywood and hostility toward Christianity." He did not, however, directly contradict her or deny that Hollywood is controlled by his fellow Jews. Being the nice person she is and knowing on which side her bread is buttered, Dolly dutifully and publicly apologized. She wrote to Foxman, "I regret that my words could have conjured up an impression of Jewish 'control' of Hollywood." Ever the arrogant, whining bully, Foxman accepted Ms. Parton's atonement, informing the media that is was a "refreshing capitulation." And the Hollywood lie lives on. The Jewish denial that Hollywood is controlled by Jews is a great lie which can be attested to by anyone who has ever been associated with the film industry. Here is but one example. In the late 1970s, New American View editor Victor Marchetti was working as a screenwriter on a spy movie. The producer, the director, Marchetti's agent and just about everyone else was Jewish. The proposed film was shopped around to several major studios. All the executives at all the studios with whom the project team met, with one exception -- Alan Ladd, Jr., then head of 20th Century Fox -- were Jewish. At one meeting, at MCA-Universal (the studio which produced "Schindler's List"), the discussion was interrupted when a latecomer entered the studio head's office and took a seat next to Marchetti. He was a little, nondescript person who seemed out of place in the production meeting. The studio head halted the discussion and, turning to the little man, asked if he had any problems with the project after having read the treatment, an abbreviated script. The man, speaking with a foreign accent, said no, smiled at Marchetti, and departed. "Who is he?" Marchetti asked the studio head. The powerful Hollywood boss answered, "He's an Israeli. I just wanted to make sure there was nothing in this movie that he would not like." As the meeting continued, Marchetti began to count noses. Of the nine people in the office, Marchetti was the only non-Jew. It reminded him of many meetings he had attended in the publishing world in New York, where often he had been the only Gentile out of a dozen or more people discussing a book project. Marchetti's Jewish agent leaned over and asked in a whisper, "What are you thinking about?" "Everybody in the room is Jewish except me." "Forget about that," the agent said. "You just better hope that your Jews are smarter than the studio's. We're talking big bucks." Since then, Marchetti has had several other involvements with the Hollywood movie crowd. It was always the same. The Jews were, and remain, in control of Tinsel Town. To say otherwise is to lie. It is bad enough when a group representing less than three percent of the American population -- and many of whose members have a
[CTRL] Profiling the FBI's Unabom Charade
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548460"Profiling the FBI's Unabom Charade/A - Subject: Profiling the FBI's Unabom Charade From: "Independent History Research" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 August 1999 11:26 AM EDT Message-id: 7q8sut$k6o$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Profiling the FBI's Unabom Charade THE SCAPEGOAT: Ted Kaczynski, Ritual Murder and the Invocation of Catastrophe Copyright =A91999 by Michael A. Hoffman II. All Rights Reserved This text shall not be published, broadcast, rewritten for broadcast or publication or redistributed directly or indirectly in any medium. Neither these copyrighted materials of Michael A. Hoffman II nor any portion thereof may be stored in a computer except for personal and non-commercial use. This intellectual property was originally scheduled for inclusion in an anthology to be published by St. Martin's Press, which was subsequently suppressed. The editor who contracted for the work was allegedly dismissed by St. Martin's Press. Version 1.1 issued electronically by special arrangement with Feral House, which will publish this work in the autumn as part of a hardcopy anthology.=00 Introduction and Part I: The Set Up, are reproduced below. For the complete report go to: http://www.hoffman-info.com/unabom.html INTRODUCTION Ted Kaczynski is yet another "lone nut" who pleaded guilty to spectacular crimes without a trial and had his case closed on the day the investigation should have begun in earnest. On the day of his arraignment the Boston Globe newspaper published a nationally syndicated story conditioning the public to view the suspect as a "paranoid ... loser" who had no accomplices and was undoubtedly guilty as charged. A similar profile was exhibited in the cases of James Earl Ray, "Son of Sam" David Berkowitz and many other patsies. Like John Gotti, Kaczynski was denied his choice of attorney. As in Waco and Oklahoma City, a key building, in this case Kaczynski's cabin, was tampered with to such an extent as to make independent investigation of it impossible. Like Timothy McVeigh, Kaczynski's statement at his sentencing--when the world's media spotlight was fixed upon him--was laconic and had little impact upon the public. In Kaczynski's case this was striking, since according to the FBIs 'Unabom' scenario, the "University and Airline bomber" was a publicity-obsessed serial killer. Yet with the world's media at his feet and a chance to hold forth for an hour or more on his motivation and authentic ideological views, Kaczynski merely announced that his opinions had been distorted and that he would reply and set the record straight later. But Kaczynski will never again have the kind of opportunity for world attention that he had on May 4, 1998 in Sacramento. Of course, the FBI mouthpiece-media has not noticed this or numerous other anomalies in the Kaczynski case. From the beginning of the mathematician's capture, they have reported the 'Unabom' matter from the perspective of the FBI and confirmed all of the government's official explanations and accounts. Not even the local media in Helena and Great Falls, Montana launched any investigation independent of the Federal government. From the outset this case has been rubber-stamped in news rooms with the logo of the FBI. THE SET-UP Why was the FBI allowed to "search" Kaczynski's cabin for weeks, without local witnesses present? The opportunities for evidence-planting and tampering were myriad. Sheriff Chuck O'Reilly protested to the local press that the FBI did not inform him of their search; that they executed a warrant without his knowledge or consent and apprehended Kaczynski without informing him first. [1] No one except Federal officials had access to Kaczynski's cabin while a supposed "mountain of evidence" was extracted from the tiny building. From a structure of less than two hundred square feet, the Associated Press, repeating FBI pronouncements, said "truckloads of evidence" were extracted. "The evidence is all being shipped back to the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia." [2] This is the same FBI lab where the bureau's preeminent forensic chemist and Supervisory Special Agent, Dr. Frederic W. Whitehurst, has said evidence was "fabricated" and otherwise "tainted" in a process he labeled "perjury." [3] In Kaczynski's case we have "evidence" obtained in hermetic isolation, with only Federal agents allowed to observe its collection. It is upon their word alone that claims of finding bombs, bomb parts, three typewriters, a chemical lab, numerous tools and the "original copy" of the "Unabom" manifesto, rest. There was never independent corroboration of these claims. How it it that just two days after Kaczynski's capture, the FBI was in a position to declare that one of the supposed typewriters discovered in Kaczynski's shack "appeared" to be the one used to prepare the "Unabom Manifesto"? That the FBI managed to
[CTRL] Reno And Delta Force
-Caveat Lector- SATURDAY AUGUST 28 1999 Reno planned final assault with Delta Force operatives Classified documents, Special Forces sources show military warned her about use of CS gas By Betsy Gibson © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Contrary to public statements made in recent days, Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI officials planned the final deadly assault on the Branch Davidian church in Waco, Texas, with top officers of the Delta Force, according to classified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and Special Forces sources. The FBI actually requested that Special Forces Delta Force operatives consult with them, be present on the scene and maintain equipment in preparation for a resolution of the 1993 51-day standoff that resulted in a fire that killed 80 civilians including many children, according to the documents and a knowledgeable military source. Despite this powerful evidence, as of yesterday an FBI spokesman, Tron Brekke, was still telling the Dallas Morning News that he could not say whether Delta Force might have actively assisted the FBI in any way in Waco "because I don't think anybody knows. ... That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the director are, in a very expeditious manner, going to have 40 assistant inspectors and whoever is chosen to lead them come down and find out definitively what did happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't done down there." Meanwhile, the documented information WorldNetDaily has obtained reveals that not only did Reno actively seek involvement by Delta Force, but she was warned at one meeting she attended with the FBI, Delta Force Colonel John Boykin and Webster Hubbell that the use of CS tear gas would have a variety of effects, one of which would be "Some people would panic, Quote: "mothers may run off and leave infants." The FBI's admission just days ago that pyrotechnic tear-gas canisters "may have been used" was an abrupt reversal of a six-year denial that its agents used anything capable of sparking a fire at the compound. The Delta Force document detailing the Delta Force/Reno/FBI meeting notes that when Reno asked Delta Force officers for their "assessment" of the plan, she was told: "This was not a military operation and could not be assessed as such. We explained that the situation was not one that we had ever encountered and that the Rules of Engagement for the FBI were substantially different than for a military operation. [name redacted] stated, "We can't grade your paper," as a way of explaining our position." A WorldNetDaily Special Forces source who analyzed this and other statements says Delta Force was clearly uncomfortable with any association with the FBI's plans at Waco. In another section of the document, a Delta Force colonel writes: "My final comments were that I believed that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) should consider pulling their people off the target for a short period to retrain and polish some of the perishable(WND: difficult to read, looks like "perishable") skills. I made it clear that I was not encouraging an immediate execution of the operation. My exact words were, "I don't have a dog in this fight." WorldNetDaily's source says he believes that statement shows again how Delta Force cringed over getting involved at WACO, "I believe he (the Delta Force colonel) meant that he didn't want to be directly involved in it, and did not want to be dragged into it. Delta Force operators, and Task Force 160 operators continually cautioned the FBI against attempting an "open air assault" on the target, and stated emphatically that they did not want to be involved in firing on or assaulting American civilians, according to a source. These official and unofficial comments went ignored and, in fact, one Special Operations Officer was threatened with court-martial if he continued to protest, the source said. At another point in the document, Delta Force personnel explain to Reno that Special Forces encounters are almost always militaristic and involve outright enemies who are often heavily armed. Delta Force explains that in its standard modus operandi it was, "The principles of surprise, speed and violence of action [that] were essential to any operation. [redacted] stated that momentum should be maintained and that ground gained should not be relinquished." A WND military source says "violence of action" usually refers to killing the "hostiles." A former Special Forces commando says he spoke yesterday to a Delta Force commando who was present at the final tear-gas assault on the Branch Davidian compound. Keith Idema, who was a member of Special Forces and Special Operations units from 1975 to 1992 and helped to train hostage rescue team personnel for both Delta Force and the FBI, says pictures from Waco released this week by the Texas Department of Public Safety have been mistakenly identified by the department as gun silencers and suppressors belonging to David Koresh and
[CTRL] Alien Armageddon, Black Helicopters The New World Order
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548422"Alien Armageddon, Black Helicopters The New World Order/A - Subject: Alien Armageddon, Black Helicopters The New World Order From: "Revolution" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 28 August 1999 02:25 AM EDT Message-id: 7q7v9h$k9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED] The July 11, 1994 issue of the For the People *News Reporter* carries a reprint of an article which first appeared in the *Peninsula News*, serving Houghton and Keweenaw, Michigan, during the week of June 12, 1994. The article, bearing the headline "Stupak Confirms Presence of 'Classified' Black Copters But Others Suspect World Government Conspiracy," reports that U.S. Representative Bart Stupak (D - Menominee) has confirmed the presence of black helicopters in the region. Yet, according to the article, "followers of a radio talk show host [Chuck Harder] are convinced the choppers are on a more sinister mission." Many local residents have reported seeing mysterious black, unmarked, low-flying helicopters, according to the article. The article claims that Harder and his listeners have two theories to explain the phenomena: (1) The world is being taken over, with U.S. cooperation, by a new internationalist regime run by the United Nations and the Trilateral Commission, and (2) similar to theory number 1, but with UFOs and aliens as an additional element. The article, in the *Peninsula News*, pooh-poohs these theories. Representative Stupak "says the helicopters are military aircraft, and that's nothing new and nothing to worry about." The article proposes that these mysterious helicopters are perhaps UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters, perhaps Cobra gunship helicopters, perhaps Canadian helicopters, perhaps FEMA helicopters "looking for underwater water and sewer line breaks," perhaps "Upper Peninsula Substance Enforcement Team (UPSET)" helicopters, and/or perhaps mining company helicopters. The article closes with a sort of "by the way," "not to worry," apparently incidental aside: "This week, 1,600 soldiers from Michigan National Guard Engineer units will be in northern Michigan... to perform road, trail, culvert and bridge construction work for various government agencies." + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + REBUTTAL TO *PENINSULA NEWS* ARTICLE by Chuck Harder Host of the *For the People* talk show Fax to: Mr. Don Weeks, Editor *Peninsula News* Houghton, Michigan I would appreciate this response running on the front page where your inaccurate portrayal was printed. Please provide a tear sheet to: Chuck Harder 3 River Street White Springs, FL 32096 Let me know if there is a charge for postage. Thanks. Dear Mr. Weeks: On June 12, 1994, you painted a rather biased and inaccurate picture of me in an article on your front page. What follows is my response: Yes, we do get a lot of calls about the "black helicopters." Here in Florida, for example, several farmers have complained to their members of Congress that unmarked helicopters are buzzing and hovering over livestock barns and causing losses. Other folks want to know why these aircraft are flying in a menacing fashion over their private land. Pictures have arrived in our office from across the USA. To my knowledge, the one and only statement that I have made about black helicopters is the one regarding a call to the FAA air traffic control center at Jacksonville, Florida. At that time, I was quickly transferred to a complaint office. The man on duty took my report, said he had had other such reports, and said the helicopters could not be tracked, as they fly too low. I then asked about what they are, and he stated, "a covert activity." That is the only thing I have stated on-the-air as a fact. I have told people over and over, like a broken record, that I have no other information and am waiting for Congressman Pete Peterson to respond to our inquiry. Yes, we get calls on all kinds of subjects and concepts. But don't confuse what a caller says with what I say. In fact, our programs all stem from press clippings from papers like yours, or some thirty or more wire services that we have access to. We also have full reprint rights to UPI and Knight- Ridder/Tribune. Much of the stuff we talk about comes from the *Chicago Tribune*, *Boston Globe*, *Los Angeles Times*, *Wall Street Journal*, or *New York Times*. We have computer access to almost every major publication in print via *CompuServe*, *Prodigy*, and *America On Line*. We read several major papers such as *The New York Times* each day via electronic computer links. Our press wires come via satellite and *PressLink*. We're hardly the lunatic fringe you portray us to be. Many books have been written about the, "shadow government" that guides the White House. It is true that policies outlined and suggested by the Trilateral Commission and Council On Foreign Relations have
[CTRL] Clinton, Waco and an Earthquake
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548412"Clinton, Waco and an Earthquake/A - Subject: Clinton, Waco and an Earthquake From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cornstarch) Date: Sat, 28 August 1999 12:51 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clinton and Waco, and an Earthquake Now that Clinton is, once again, backed up against the wall... he needs an out... a diversion, if you will... and this may be the time that he will create that diversion. He could even use Scalar wave technology. The US government has had Scalar Technology for some time... in fact, it was developed in the late 50's... and early 60's. Scalar waves can be artificially created, and can be focused or converged on any spot on earth. Two such waves that are out of phase, can cause a sudden shift in temperature, causing enormous changes in weather. It can also, effectively, be used to create earthquakes. A sudden change in temperature focused at various levels inside the earth would cause rocks and other strata to expand, and trigger the quake, even in areas where quakes are normally not present. If some foreign government, like Turkey, Iran, or maybe even, the Russia, committed some act that our president didn't like...then it would be possible to punish that country with the appropriate sized quake... and very, very large quakes, like the recent Turkey quake are easily possible, using this Scalar technology... One Question that is always asked, is... where could this earthquake machinery be hidden?... and that's easy... it could be hidden underground... in some of the vast underground tunnels and military facilities that have existed in this country since the cold war... Scalar technology is very unique.. in that it can be projected right through the earth without loss of power... and when two beams converge, that is where the mischief begins. Now that Clinton is once again, backed up to the wall... he could use this very same technology to create a massive quake that would devistate parts of the country... like California. No one would question this happening... because the 'Big One' has been expected for some years... and the fact that Clinton could induce it to happen prematurily, and with exaggerated intensity, would be a bonus that he could use. That way, he could declare martial law; his military would then take over... which, of course, would include some of those NATO police that he has stationed on our soil... and since he has the Martial Law signs already printed, then they could be posted almost immediately. Violators, and others, could then be transported to large underground military facilities, like Dulce, and they could be kept in iron rail cars, with built in manacles. These type of rail cars have been prepared, for years... He could then deploy small groups of operatives, to arrest and detain 'looters'... which wouldn't really be looters, but they would be all the political, media and internet critics of the administration, a list of, which he has been preparing for years. In all the confusion, no one would really know what he was up to... as he systematically kills off or imprisions his critics, leaving only, his main line press people, (CBS, NBC, and ABC) which has consistently supported him no matter how vicious his Arkansas Governorship and Presidential activities has been. Of course, Clinton's lies, deceit and spin control activities, would continue, helped by the spin departments, of these very same people. Sooo... if Clinton initiates a natural disaster, like an earthquake.. or some other serious weather happening, then it could be that Clinton would be directing this pheonomena through Scalar Technology, to divert attention from all the investigations that are currently happening over the WACO incident. It might be well to remember, that all 16 of Clinton's former bodyguards are now dead... the first four bodyguards were killed at the Waco incident (remember the four federal officers that were killed?).. and if this 'MO' pattern of killing holds, you know the (Motis Operendi), like the killing of a Religious building full of Children, Women, and Men, to hide the deaths of four of his former bodyguards, then Clinton will not hesitate to kill again. It might be worth mentioning, that all those dead bodyguards were the same bodyguards who drove Arkansas Governor Clinton around to have sexual visits with all those women)... and so now, they all had to die... to protect Clinton's dirty little secret. So, if Clinton's killing pattern holds true to form, then killing a few, or killing a whole planeload of people, to hide the true nature of the Ron Brown death... is not a problem for the morals of this man... You might remember Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, who died in a plane crash (but who had a bullet hole in his head... as observed by three Forensic Pathologists, and one Forensic Photographer). So killing off a
[CTRL] CMDR DONALDSON LETTER TO BOEING
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548379"CMDR DONALDSON LETTER TO BOEING/A - Subject: CMDR DONALDSON LETTER TO BOEING From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dr. Jai Maharaj) Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 10:21 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CMDR. DONALDSON LETTER TO BOEING By Cmdr. William S. Donaldson, III - USN, Ret. Aviation Mishap Analyst P.O. Box 90, Clements, Maryland 20624 Web site: twa800.com NewsMax.com 5 April 1999 Mr. Philip M. Condit The Boeing Company P.O. Box 3707, Mail Code 10-10 Seattle, WA 98124-2207 Mr. Gerald L. Gitner Trans World Airlines One City Center 515 North Sixth St. St. Louis, MO 63101 Re: The unexplained loss of TWA Flight 800 Gentlemen, Over the last four months our investigation into the loss of TWA Flight 800 has produced information far surpassing that contained in our July 20, 1998 Interim Report to Congress. We can now prove, before a jury or other independent fact-finding body, that the aircraft was shot down. We can also explain why the Administration covered it up and expose some of the methods they employed to do so. Your corporations are being scapegoated and defrauded by Administration officials because, had the truth about this incident been reported before November of 1996, it could have derailed the reelection of Clinton/Gore. Exposed now, it could send guilty parties to jail for Misprision of Felony Homicide. We can provide your attorney's with witnesses, documents, or reference material that will support the following text: White House knowledge of a threat prior to the loss of TWA Flight 800 1. The Administration knew that in 1996, surrogates from rogue states had access to MANPADS (Man Portable Air Defense Systems) or shoulder-fired missiles in mid- eastern weapons bazaars. $5,000 would acquire the least capable model, the Russian SA-7. $50,000 would buy the most capable, the Chinese Vanguard, a deadly new missile upgraded from US Stinger technology transferred to the Chinese in the early 90's. Superior to the Stinger, this missile has a much longer range. The Administration also knew Iran had a limited number of US Stinger missiles in inventory. 2. The Administration was aware that, worldwide, MANPADS missiles had already claimed 26 civil transport aircraft and was only a matter of time before a U.S. Flag carrier would be targeted and hit. They knew the Administration had dodged a bullet in 1994 when Maryland State Police found a fully armed French Mistral MANPADS missile ready to fire on its tripod directly under a busy northeastern air route. 3. In response to sanctions unilaterally levied against Iran by Mr. Clinton in 1995, Iranian surrogate's car bombed US troops in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and later smuggled MANPADS missiles into the US from across the Canadian border. Iranian officials warned the Administration that they considered enactment of the Iran/Libya Sanctions Act tantamount to an act of war! 4. When Mr. Clinton signed the Iran, Libya Sanctions Act of 1996, a decision was made by the Iranian Supreme Council to approve attacks on major American targets. Terrorist surrogate groups from nine countries were summoned to Tehran to meet with Iranian officials in June of 1996. Later that month, a huge truck bomb was deployed against the US Air Force barracks complex at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia. Three weeks later, TWA Flight 800 was shot down only hours after an explicit warning of an attack was received in London and Washington that taunted the President. 5. The White House, the CIA and the FBI were aware of the threat and they knew preventing that attack was their primary responsibility. 6. We can show the Administration anticipated incorrectly that, if the missiles were used, they would be targeted against Olympic air traffic landing or taking off in the Atlanta area. 7. We can provide testimony that immediately after Flight 800 was shot down, Mr. Clinton called an FBI command post supporting the Olympics and informed them Flight 800 was downed with shoulder-fired missiles. 8. The White House, the CIA and the FBI political leadership have waged an unrelenting disinformation campaign from the onset. This has ranged from the White House spokesman stating, "Anyone in government that says this was a missile only has half a brain", and to the CIA cartoon that libeled hundreds of eyewitnesses. Witnesses or "Untouchables"? 1. The day after Flight 800 was shot down, the Justice Department, helped by 1,000 FBI agents, began the process of converting hundreds of witnesses into the first American "untouchable cast". The political leadership of the NTSB aborted its mission in one surrender of its responsibilities after another. When the Justice Department illegally ordered the NTSB crash investigators to have no contact with witnesses or their statements, and the NTSB complied, the investigation was over, the cover-up and Misprision of Felony Homicide had
[CTRL] Terry Reed Video Talk on Ruppert Website
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548310"Terry Reed Video Talk on Ruppert Website/A - Subject: Terry Reed Video Talk on Ruppert Website From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman) Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 04:41 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For those who are interested, there is a video segment of a talk given by Terry Reed at www.copvcia.com where he mentions the DEA information of "Bush brothers" being filmed in a cocaine sale in Florida that Reed had received from Barry Seal. It's a 2 minute long segment. Rather interesting.No wonder they are going to such lengths to bury Mena...it involves both Democrats and Republicans... = Subject: Re: Terry Reed Video Talk on Ruppert Website From: "Bear Bottoms" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 06:38 PM EDT Message-id: 7q741c$[EMAIL PROTECTED] David Goldman wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]... For those who are interested, there is a video segment of a talk given by Terry Reed at www.copvcia.com where he mentions the DEA information of "Bush brothers" being filmed in a cocaine sale in Florida that Reed had received from Barry Seal. It's a 2 minute long segment. Rather interesting.No wonder they are going to such lengths to bury Mena...it involves both Democrats and Republicans... Considering Terry Reed was never even near Mena until 1990 as verified by Russell Welch, never met me prior to 1995, and never met Barry Seal, it is amazing the lengths one would go to to believe anything Reed says. Of course he has really stuck it out this time...let's see him produce a verifiable tape of the acclaimed incident. LOL. If Seal would have had such a video, he would have made the most of it while fighting for his life in Louisiana...this is a joke. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Waco and GW Bush's problems........
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548248"Waco and GW Bush's problems/A - Subject: Waco and GW Bush's problems From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman) Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 12:37 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't it mighty convenient that the revelations about Waco come on the heals of the cocaine questions of GW Bush? It sounds like both sides are starting to pull out some stopsIf the Dems want to go after GW, the Bush faction can start upsetting the applecart for Clinton and Gore. However, where it will stop no one knows.it's a game of chicken...Clinton tried his hand when he put out the Hitz Report on the CIA that got no coverage in the mainstream media about the CIA's connections to Contra drug dealersand lo and behold...no impeachment of any value..so now they are trying to reveal the tip of the iceberg on the Bush factionso the Game continues...what's going to come after Waco? Who's going to blink first? Who's going to go deeper into the Mena issues? Who will be brought down first? The Clinton faction or the Bush faction or BOTH? = Subject: Re: Waco and GW Bush's problems From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (american) Date: Sat, 28 August 1999 05:09 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goldman) wrote: Isn't it mighty convenient that the revelations about Waco come on the heals of the cocaine questions of GW Bush? It sounds like both sides are starting to pull out some stopsIf the Dems want to go after GW, the Bush faction can start upsetting the applecart for Clinton and Gore. However, where it will stop no one knows.it's a game of chicken...Clinton tried his hand when he put out the Hitz Report on the CIA that got no coverage in the mainstream media about the CIA's connections to Contra drug dealersand lo and behold...no impeachment of any value..so now they are trying to reveal the tip of the iceberg on the Bush factionso the Game continues...what's going to come after Waco? Who's going to blink first? Who's going to go deeper into the Mena issues? Who will be brought down first? The Clinton faction or the Bush faction or BOTH? You provide good insight as to how our "false elite" rules. Unfortunately both the "Clinton" and "Bus(c)h" factions are competing elements under the Rockefeller/CFR/papal "elite" pyramid that has it wrapped up...it just isn't monolithic. We the People need to form a political/educational movement based on the writings of Thomas Jefferson and MLKJr. to restore our nation's integrity. -- Probity, Economy, Justice Novus Ordo Seclorum : The New Secular Order - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548156"SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4/A - Subject: SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4 From: "Shineboy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 02:17 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shineboy.com News - Aug. 23 - 27 www.shineboy.com Cashiers offed by cards, fingerprints http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990827a.html You don't need a teller to get money out of your bank, and you won't need a cashier to get groceries out of the store. In fact, you won't need the Web either. You may need International Automated Systems Inc. -- or a company like them -- which will allow you to buy groceries and other items from virtually workerless stores. IAS just finished five weeks of testing its automatic fingerprint identification machine, or AFIM, which uses biometric technology to create the world's first self-cashiering supermarket in Salem, Utah, called U-Check. It's so simple, IAS says, that even a child can use it. A child with a checking account, at least. ** Perspective -- Fear drives disintermediation http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990826a.html In the history of humanity, there is perhaps no stronger motivator than fear. In some fashion -- whether its fear of starvation, failure, darkness, embarassment, loneliness, age, large dogs or poverty -- fear has at some point driven each one of us. Fear is now being used to help ignite an economic revolution that will kill off American jobs. Dell Computer CEO and Chairman Michael Dell says the Internet is like "a weapon sitting on the table ready to be picked up by you or your competitor ... The Internet will be your business, and if it's not already, you're probably in trouble." Adds Bank One CEO John McCoy, according to the Wall Street Journal: "I'm not about ready to sit here and let somebody else take my business." ** Sites try to hook kids on Web shopping http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990825a.html If you're buzzing hard on Web hype and believe the e-commerce revolution is now, just wait about 20 years or so. That's when the kiddies of today start to wield their true consuming power. And they'll be just as comfortable with the Web as Gen Xers were with the local mall. Not ones to miss an opportunity, the Web entrepreneurs are out to get the kids hooked on Internet shopping while they're still young. Which explains sites like iCanBuy.com, which is taking on the noble task of teaching teens and kids to spend online. To boost traffic, iCanBuy is offering 6 percent interest in online checking accounts set up through Security First Network Bank and $30 gift certificates with deposits of at least $100. Competitive rates among banks average around 5 percent. ** Online auto sites gaining ground http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990824a.html Most people hate high-pressure sales tactics. And let's face it, car salesman have a bad reputation for laying it on pretty thick. For years, the more slimy aspects of buying a vehicle have pushed consumers toward alternative sources to find out what kind of vehicle they want to buy. The Internet has filled this role and then some, since consumers can actually purchase their new car online, thus eliminating any possible haggling or harassment on the showroom floor. As proof of the Web's strength among auto shoppers, a new study shows the number of people who bought a new car or truck online doubled from 1.1 percent of all vehicle purchases in 1998 to 2.7 percent currently. That chunk could reach 5 percent by 2000, according to the study, published by Agoura Hills, Calif.-based J.D. Power and Associates. If the online car shopping population continues to double each year, a majority of auto buyers will be buying online by 2005 -- just six years from now. ** AOL's new home shopping channel? http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990823a.html America Online, which helped millions of consumers get connected before there was even a World Wide Web to connect to, is hitting the boob tube in what could be the first major attempt by a Web portal to tap into the power of home shopping via TV. It would also enable AOL's e-commerce shopping suite to gain a wider audience for automated transactions, perhaps furthering the disintermediation of millions of retailers and service providers here and abroad. Steve Case, CEO of the 20-million-member online community, said in an interview with Germany's Focs magazine on Sunday that AOL is planning its own TV channel to be called AOL-TV. The channel would not be broadcast over the Internet but would offer e-mail and chat-room services, Case said. AOL is the most popular destination on the Web, having overtaken Web portal Yahoo! earlier this
[CTRL] Where is Robert Rubin now?
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548115"Where is Robert Rubin now?/A - Subject: Where is Robert Rubin now? From: deepshooter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 August 1999 10:10 PM EDT Message-id: 7q4s3b$m4u$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Riddle: How many billions of IMF money will have to disappear before the Media mentions Robert Rubin? You remember him, don't you? We were constantly reminded how brilliant he was, how competent, how clever, how successful, how indispensable. Well, it seems that he spent most of his time as Secretary of the Treasury making a pitch for billions in loans to Russia. He, and his equally brilliant sidekick Lawrence Summers, insisted that all IMF loans to Russia should be in the complete control of their good and trusted friend, Anatole Chubais, even though they had a report from the FBI as early as 1995 that Chubais was part of the Russian crime syndicates. When $4.8 billion disappeared like morning fog and US Congressmen started complaining, Rubin and his team assured everyone that it was all an innocent mistake, crap happens sometimes, not to worry, Rubin and his hound dogs were on the job. They insisted that another $4.5 billion would be needed to solve the problem. The helpless toadies in Congress naturally went along. Today we know that Chubais, Chernomyrdin, and other bigwigs in the Yeltsen "Family" have gotten away with $15 billion right under Rubin's nose, using a New York bank to pull off the deal. Let's have a show of hands--who thinks Rubin (and, of course, Clinton)was in on the scam? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. = Subject: Re: Where is Robert Rubin now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (MANFRED the heat seeking OBOE) Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 12:18 AM EDT Message-id: Kkox3.14079$[EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Tis but 15 points on the DJIA. That's right 1 point = $1billion. Consider how much the insider information would be worth when leaked by Rubin and Greenspan to those *SAME* 'Trusted' NY bankers who bailed out LTCM last october. They recouped their initial investments+plus before the very next options expiration. Lawrence Summers is a lunk-head pure and simple. He will preside over the liquidation of millions of individual investor's monies through his own inept manipulation of the markets. This will as a consequence, line the pockets of his most-favored cronies. Next Target of Opportunity for the Clinton spin machine will be the 'suddenly' available evidence of high level Libyan collusion in PanAm108 as the trial begins. Once again, Clinton will play the hero losing sleep, spending all hours of night worrying about 3rd shift casualties in aspirin factories all over Libya. = Subject: Re: Where is Robert Rubin now? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.) Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 06:27 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:21:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tsun) wrote: Holy sh*t! I wish I had a chance to steal 15 thousand million dollars! On second thought, when people so LAME as our elected representatives lose that kind of money, it can hardly be called stealing, can it? Disgusting, if it's true. But hey, it was only Federal Reserve Notes. Print up some more! LOL Not a single penny of taxpayer money has ever been lost in IMF loans. Fifty years now - not a single penny ever lost. IMF loans have an exceptionally high rate of full repayment. Interest is charged, and that interest has been more than adequate to compensate for the very rare failures to repay. So your comment about printing up more Federal Reserve Notes does not comport with history. - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CIA's Tenet - Columbia
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548006"CIA's Tenet - Columbia/A - Subject: CIA's Tenet - Columbia From: Ralph McGehee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 26 August 1999 12:20 PM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --2A93263E02061EBF4E2A5C8C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --2A93263E02061EBF4E2A5C8C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="item.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="item.txt" Below are recent articles relating to issues of importance to foreign policy. Each item begs further comment but time constraints do not allow for such. Two items however demand immediate commentary -- the United States is to increase military aid to Colombia; and Tenet as the DCI. Re Colombia, one major consideration is how this increase in United States military involvement in Colombia reflects the Vietnam War. The population numbers of the two countries are similar, and the existence of revolutionary movements somewhat similar. How heavily have these movements organized that population? In Vietnam the Communists organized millions of South Vietnamese who committed themselves totally to their victory -- while our intelligence blinded itself and counted only a fraction. Are we doing this again in Colombia? Another major issue is the Colombian military which is corrupt, supports drug traffickers and sponsors death squads. Can such an organization demand the loyalty of the people and the unquestioning support of the United States? Does this not mirror Vietnam realities? Lastly, David Ignatius in a Op-ed piece asks the question how George Tenet is doing as DCI. He in writing the article apparently had the assistance of the CIA's staff. Yet in his piece there is no mention at all of analysis, analysts, etc. Tenet focuses entirely on operations and recruitments -- the road to all the disasters of the past. In fact Tenet opens each morning's staff meeting with the question -- who did we recruit and what difference will it make? When asked his reaction to criticism and if he plans to resign he responds with an obscenity. Yet he is on record as saying he takes ultimate responsibility for the mistaken rocketing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. To him, apparently, saying he is ultimately responsible is all that is required. To me the lack of analysis -- 1% -- one percent -- of the intelligence budget is allocated for all-source intelligence. This figure reflects his approach and foresees many more and possibly more disastrous intelligence failures under his reign. Ralph McGehee http://come.to/CIABASE The U.S. is to step up military and economic aid to Colombia [to fight] the drug-financed Marxist guerrillas there. U.S. officials warned President Andres Pastrana that he risks losing U.S. support if he makes further concessions to the insurgents to restart stalled peace negotiations. But White House drug policy director McCaffrey and State's Thomas Pickering, also told Pastrana the U.S. will increase aid if he develops a comprehensive plan to strengthen the military, halt the nation's economic free fall and fight drug trafficking. Security assistance already stands at $289 million this year. The U.S. [has already] resumed helping the army and expanded intelligence sharing and is training a 950-man Colombian army counternarcotics battalion. The U.S. is planning to fund at least two more such battalions. Colombia produces 80 percent of the world's cocaine and about 70 percent of the heroin sent to the U.S. Two Marxist guerrilla groups -- the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), with about 15,000 combatants, and the National Liberation Army (ELN), with about 5,000 -- control about 40 percent of territory and receive hundreds of millions of dollars from protecting drug trafficking routes, airstrips and laboratories. 7,000 right-wing paramilitary troops, who also derive millions of dollars from cocaine trafficking, control about 15 percent of the territory. In a world with a lot of bad policy options toward Colombia, we are taking the worst one, said Winifred Tate of the Washington Office on Latin America. "By strengthening the military you are strengthening an abusive, corrupt institution that has resisted civil control and human rights reforms..." while U.S. aid should be focused on fighting drugs, the line between counternarcotics and counterinsurgency has blurred so much that it is almost meaningless. The immediate increase in military aid will focus on upgrading a sophisticated intelligence and listening post in Tres Esquinas, and U.S. training of new, special units in the Colombian army. Washington Post 8/29/99 A1. The White house has a plan for a new global strategy for the next century -- that calls
Re: [CTRL] URGENT!!!
-Caveat Lector- JZ, this was a response to a message I posted regarding a little girl's abduction. The girl was later seen in a car whose license was traced to a man in Hope, AR. Being the full moon, my source I both believe that the Clinton/NWO/Illuminat took her for a ritual sacrifice, an assertion made stronger given that her father was known to be abusive to her. Tenorlove --- Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- This is a meaningless message. J2 Aol user wrote: -Caveat Lector- YOU GOT IT. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scientists say God .....Exists
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scientists Find Evidence of God God, or gods? If one posits the existence of one god, why not accept the existence of multiple gods? Was the universe created by a team? How could we tell? If there's only only one god, did it manipulate the universe to look as though it had been created by a team, or evolved naturally? If there are multiple gods, did they manipulate the universe to look as though it had been created by a single god, or evolved naturally? If one posits the existence of one or more creator deities, then such deities could have manipulated the universe however they wished, for purposes that humans can't comprehend - mustn't an honest investigator disregard ALL evidence pro or con re: god(s), since the evidence COULD be manipulated, tainted? If one invokes god(s) to explain the origin/structure of the universe, what forces/entities must be invoked to explain the origin of the god(s)? Who intelligently designed the intelligent designer(s)? Or did it/they evolve naturally, and if so, where/ when/how? Doesn't any invocation of gods merely push back the question of origins into unexplorable realms? Doesn't saying "one or more gods did it" equate to "I don't know and I'll never be able to find out, so I'll stop looking here" ?? Isn't the invocation of god(s) a dead-end, a capitulation? Evolution has been observed - why invoke god(s)? Abiogenesis has been observed - why invoke god(s)? How complex is/are god(s)? If observations of life and the universe can be explained without invoking god(s), and god(s) is/are more complex than the deduced/ observed forces and phenomena of nature, aren't god(s) the least likely workable explanations? Doesn't Occam's Razor preclude gods? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FCC ADOPTS CALEA TECHNICAL STANDARDS - your cellphone may be tapped.
-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/News_Releases/1999/nret9003. html A HREF="http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/News_Releases/1999/nre t9003.html"FCC News Release:/A - Text | Word97 NEWS Federal Communications Commission 445 12th Street, S.W. Washington, D.C. 20554News media information 202 / 418-0500 Fax-On-Demand 202 / 418-2830 Internet: http://www.fcc.gov TTY: 202/418-2555 This is an unofficial announcement of Commission action. Release of the full text of a Commission order constitutes official action. See MCI v. FCC. 515 F 2d 385 (D.C. Circ 1974). FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE AUGUST 27, 1999 NEWS MEDIA CONTACT: Meribeth McCarrick at (202) 418-0654 FCC ADOPTS CALEA TECHNICAL STANDARDS The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) has adopted technical requirements for wireline, cellular, and broadband Personal Communications Services (PCS) carriers to comply with the assistance capability requirements of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA). Specifically, the FCC required that all capabilities of the Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA) interim standard (J-STD-025) and six of nine "punch list" capabilities requested by the Department of Justice (DoJ)/Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) be implemented by wireline, cellular, and broadband PCS carriers. With the exception of packet-mode communications, the FCC required that all capabilities of the interim standard be implemented by the CALEA compliance date of June 30, 2000. The FCC required that a packet-mode communications capability and the six punchlist capabilities be implemented by September 30, 2001. Specifics of Today's Action: Actions Regarding the Interim Standard (J-STD-025) The FCC concluded the following regarding the location information and packet-mode communications capabilities of the interim standard: Location information: The FCC required that location information be provided to law enforcement agencies (LEAs) under CALEA's assistance capability requirements for "call-identifying information," provided that a LEA has a court order or legal authorization beyond a pen regist er or trap and trace authorization. The FCC found that location information identifies the "origin" or "destination" of a communication and thus is covered by CALEA. The FCC, however, did not mandate that carriers be able to provide LEAs with the precise physical location of a caller. Rather, it permitted LEAs with the proper legal authorization to receive from wireline, cellular, and broadband PCS carriers only the location of a cell site at the beginning and termination of a mobile call. Packet-mode communications: The FCC required that carriers provide LEAs access to packet-mode communications by September 30, 2001. However, the Commission acknowledged that significant privacy issues had been raised with regard to the J-STD-025 treatment of packet-mode communications. Under the J-STD-025, law enforcement could be provided with access to both call identifying information and call content, even where it may be authorized only to receive call identifying information. Accordingly, the FCC invited TIA to study CALEA solutions for packet-mode technology and report to the FCC by September 30, 2000 on steps that can be taken, including particular amendments to the interim standard, that will better address privacy concerns. Actions Regarding the Capabilities Requested by DoJ/FBI Of the nine items in the DoJ/FBI punch list, the following capabilities were required by the FCC: Content of subject-initiated conference calls -- A LEA will be able to access the content of conference calls initiated by the subject under surveillance (including the call content of parties on hold), pursuant to a court order or other legal authorization beyond a pen register order. Party hold, join, drop on conference calls -- Messages will be sent to a LEA that identify the active parties of a call. Specifically, on a conference call, these messages will indicate whether a party is on hold, has joined, or has been dropped from the conference call. Subject-initiated dialing and signaling information -- Access to dialing and signaling information available from the subject will inform a LEA of a subject's use of features (e.g., call forwarding, call waiting, call hold, and three-way calling). In-band and out-of-band signaling (notification message) -- A message will be sent to a LEA whenever a subject's service sends a tone or other network message to the subject or associate (e.g., notification that a line is ringing or busy, call waiting signal). Timing information -- Information will be sent to a LEA permitting it to correlate call-identifying information with the call content of a communications interception. Dialed digit extraction --The
Re: [CTRL] Scientists say God .....Exists
-Caveat Lector- Any mention of Goddess? Hilary -- From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SkeptiChat list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SC] Re: [CTRL] Scientists say "God .Exists" Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 10:58 AM - Original Message - From: Bob Stokes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Scientists Find Evidence of God God, or gods? If one posits the existence of one god, why not accept the existence of multiple gods? Was the universe created by a team? How could we tell? If there's only only one god, did it manipulate the universe to look as though it had been created by a team, or evolved naturally? If there are multiple gods, did they manipulate the universe to look as though it had been created by a single god, or evolved naturally? If one posits the existence of one or more creator deities, then such deities could have manipulated the universe however they wished, for purposes that humans can't comprehend - mustn't an honest investigator disregard ALL evidence pro or con re: god(s), since the evidence COULD be manipulated, tainted? If one invokes god(s) to explain the origin/structure of the universe, what forces/entities must be invoked to explain the origin of the god(s)? Who intelligently designed the intelligent designer(s)? Or did it/they evolve naturally, and if so, where/ when/how? Doesn't any invocation of gods merely push back the question of origins into unexplorable realms? Doesn't saying "one or more gods did it" equate to "I don't know and I'll never be able to find out, so I'll stop looking here" ?? Isn't the invocation of god(s) a dead-end, a capitulation? Evolution has been observed - why invoke god(s)? Abiogenesis has been observed - why invoke god(s)? How complex is/are god(s)? If observations of life and the universe can be explained without invoking god(s), and god(s) is/are more complex than the deduced/ observed forces and phenomena of nature, aren't god(s) the least likely workable explanations? Doesn't Occam's Razor preclude gods? *** SkeptiChat: Ver. 0.98.09.27 *** depending on your needs, email "subscribe skeptichat" or "unsubscribe skeptichat" or "info skeptichat" or "help" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4
-Caveat Lector- Boy Scouts having to let in homosexuals with males acquiring breasts soon we will see MS. America having to let who compete? All web shopping? Why not having the store deliver Virtual Reality Teachers Who needs teachers in the class room? Who will need lawyers if the kids are taught to not need them? Doctors, not if you know what chemicals a person has ingested in their food. Insurance? Why, when you know what the disease if cause by. Because you know the chemicals in the food and the person can not sue anyway. Surplus? Why do you need people - to farm and help you keep control of what you have acquired. so why have a military anymore? Why need people anymore? Setting this up for a major American die off and then the US to be the bread basket to the world, with control of technology in other areas. Get rid of any of the old guard. any of the aristricy that has studied enough about history. After the Lords and Ladies because of politics? No. Because they know that to keep control your people have to be educated at a level - that is at least equal to everyone else's, if not higher. Politics? Bah Humbug! Education and the belief in Education. Retainers, might think to protect the families that have protected them. English type Chinese Obligation. Commitment. Education. You are old enough to know the answer when you are old enough to ask the question. Adults have their hands tied because no one knows to ask the right questions. This idea has been world wide, and the main propaganda is to get rid of education and commitment. need I say more? piper Kris Millegan wrote: -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:548156"SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4/A - Subject: SHINEBOY.COM NEWS #4 From: "Shineboy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 August 1999 02:17 AM EDT Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shineboy.com News - Aug. 23 - 27 www.shineboy.com Cashiers offed by cards, fingerprints http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990827a.html You don't need a teller to get money out of your bank, and you won't need a cashier to get groceries out of the store. In fact, you won't need the Web either. You may need International Automated Systems Inc. -- or a company like them -- which will allow you to buy groceries and other items from virtually workerless stores. IAS just finished five weeks of testing its automatic fingerprint identification machine, or AFIM, which uses biometric technology to create the world's first self-cashiering supermarket in Salem, Utah, called U-Check. It's so simple, IAS says, that even a child can use it. A child with a checking account, at least. ** Perspective -- Fear drives disintermediation http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990826a.html In the history of humanity, there is perhaps no stronger motivator than fear. In some fashion -- whether its fear of starvation, failure, darkness, embarassment, loneliness, age, large dogs or poverty -- fear has at some point driven each one of us. Fear is now being used to help ignite an economic revolution that will kill off American jobs. Dell Computer CEO and Chairman Michael Dell says the Internet is like "a weapon sitting on the table ready to be picked up by you or your competitor ... The Internet will be your business, and if it's not already, you're probably in trouble." Adds Bank One CEO John McCoy, according to the Wall Street Journal: "I'm not about ready to sit here and let somebody else take my business." ** Sites try to hook kids on Web shopping http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990825a.html If you're buzzing hard on Web hype and believe the e-commerce revolution is now, just wait about 20 years or so. That's when the kiddies of today start to wield their true consuming power. And they'll be just as comfortable with the Web as Gen Xers were with the local mall. Not ones to miss an opportunity, the Web entrepreneurs are out to get the kids hooked on Internet shopping while they're still young. Which explains sites like iCanBuy.com, which is taking on the noble task of teaching teens and kids to spend online. To boost traffic, iCanBuy is offering 6 percent interest in online checking accounts set up through Security First Network Bank and $30 gift certificates with deposits of at least $100. Competitive rates among banks average around 5 percent. ** Online auto sites gaining ground http://www.shineboy.com/Stories/990824a.html Most people hate high-pressure sales tactics. And let's face it, car salesman have a bad reputation for laying it on pretty thick. For years, the more slimy aspects of buying a vehicle have pushed consumers toward
[CTRL] tax-sucking rapist supports ban on teaching creationism
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, 28 August 1999 0:28 (GMT) (UPI Spotlight) WH: Clinton supports ban on creationism EDGARTOWN, Mass., Aug. 27 (UPI) - The White House said (Friday) that President Clinton, while generally favoring the right of school boards to set curriculum, accepts the 1987 Supreme Court ruling that schools are not free to teach creationism. White House press secretary Joe Lockhart was asked for Clinton's position one day after Vice President Al Gore refused to take a clear stand on whether public schools should be required to teach evolution rather than creationism. Copyright 1999 by United Press International http://www.vny.com/cf/News/upidetail.cfm?QID=107509 Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] London Telegraph on Waco siege deaths
-Caveat Lector- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001863356114602rtmo=qseudRK9atmo= pg=/et/99/8/28/waco28.html ISSUE 1555 Saturday 28 August 1999 State role in Waco siege deaths to be investigated By Hugo Gurdon in Washington Delta Force had active role in raid, ex-CIA officer told [27 Aug '99] - Dallas Morning News Statement by Attorney General Janet Reno [26 Aug '99] - US Department of Justice US Department of Justice The Waco Tragedy: information page [with extensive links] FBI CONGRESS plans to investigate the 1993 siege at Waco, Texas, as evidence mounts that the government may have been responsible for the death of 80 cult members, including 25 children. The disclosure, after six years of denials, that incendiary tear gas canisters were fired into the Branch Davidian compound before it erupted in a fireball, and that members of the elite Delta Force, equivalent to the SAS, took part, have stoked suspicion of a whitewash. Gene Cullen, a former CIA officer, told the Dallas Morning News yesterday that Delta Force members told him they were "present, up front and close" during the siege, and had been on the tanks with which federal forces smashed through the compound. The Texas public safety department said it has evidence that may confirm this illegal military involvement. President Clinton did not sign a waiver allowing the army to join the action at Waco, and if soldiers participated without it, they broke the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act which bans military involvement in domestic law enforcement. Congressman Dan Burton, chairman of the House of Representatives oversight committee, has not yet announced hearings. But congressional sources say this is because he wants a lengthy period during which to sift evidence of a wide-ranging cover-up, rather than simply consider the admission that pyrotechnic canisters were fired. "We will be looking into all the evidence relevant to this case," Mr Burton's spokesman said. He would not confirm that this would include examination of infra-red surveillance tapes which appear to show the FBI shooting at Branch Davidians as they tried to escape. FBI eavesdroppers recorded Branch Davidians apparently discussing starting the fire, and arson experts say this seems to be what happened because the flames sprang up in three places simultaneously. But Congress may start picking holes in the Justice Department's account of the siege, just as survivors and relatives go to court this autumn to sue the government for the wrongful death of cult members. A Texas judge has rejected the government's request for summary dismissal of the case, ruling that there is enough evidence to go to trial on October 18. Janet Reno, the Attorney-General, admitted that, contrary to assurances given repeatedly for six years, the FBI did fire two pyrotechnic gas canisters on the last day of the 51-day siege. But she claims that they were fired at least four hours before the fire started and were directed not at the Davidians' house, but at concrete bunkers some distance away. She had no reason to believe "at this point" that the FBI was responsible for the deaths, but conceded: "I don't think it's very good for my credibility." Michael Caddell, the plaintiffs' lawyer, said: "I think what the government is doing is trying to get its story straight before all the evidence comes out." Jay Young, a chemical safety consultant, said that gas canisters fired hours earlier could have started the fire. "When you fire this device . . . you ignite a fuse, which burns until a certain time later, at which time the incendiary part is ignited, and burns with a very hot flame and causes the tear gas material to vaporise. These fuses . . . sometimes are delayed. It's possible that one of those incendiary tear gas devices had a fuse which malfunctioned and did not ignite the incendiary stuff for a long time." The belief that the Branch Davidians and their eccentric leader, David Koresh, were more or less mad, and government claims that the cultists fired the first shots, have meant that Waco's victims have received little sympathy. Directly after the fatal conflagration, Mr Clinton said: "Some religious fanatics murdered themselves." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001863356114602rtmo=qseudRK9atmo= pg=/et/99/8/28/waco28.html Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Yeltsin's daughter linked to $15 billion money-laundering operation
-Caveat Lector- ISSUE 1555 Saturday 28 August 1999 Yeltsin's daughter linked to £10bn money laundering By Ben Aris in Moscow Yeltsin's daughter targeted in Russian money scandal [27 Aug '99] - Russia Today Bank official fired in Russian money laundering inquiry FRESH rumours of corruption connecting five of the Kremlin's most powerful figures, including President Yeltsin's daughter, to a $15 billion (£9.7 billion) money-laundering operation surfaced in Russia yesterday. Reports in the American newspaper USA Today said that Russian criminals had laundered the money through four accounts at the Bank of New York and one at the New York-based Republic National Bank, including several billion dollars of International Monetary Fund money. If true, this would be one of the biggest money-laundering operations undertaken in America. The claims come in a week when President Yeltsin, his family and associates have already been accused of taking more than $1 million (£646,000) in bribes from an Italian construction company. According to another investigation, a Russian mobster is believed to have used the Bank of New York to launder more than $10 billion (£6.5 billion) earned from drug smuggling, prostitution and other activities. Citing unnamed sources in the British National Criminal Intelligence Service and the Russian Prosecutor General's office, the paper named five leading officials they say are under investigation in connection with the scandal. They are: Tatyana Dyachenko, Yeltsin's daughter; Alexander Livshits, the former finance minister; Vladimir Potanin, a member of the Russian oligarchy, and Oleg Soskovets and Anatoly Chubais, former deputy prime ministers. USA Today did not say what part any of the five played in laundering the money and American and British law enforcement officials have denied giving information to the paper. The FBI would not even acknowledge that an investigation was under way. Roland Nash, head of research at the Russian bank Renaissance Capital, said: "This report is very sensationalist. You can't say that these men actually signed the cheques." But yesterday, Vladimir Ustinov, Russia's acting chief prosecutor, confirmed that the country's security services had been ordered to look into possible Russian involvement in money-laundering. And Vyacheslav Soltaganov, head of the Russian federal tax authorities, said he had been asked by his American counterpart to take part in a joint investigation into money laundered through the Bank of New York and was prepared to co-operate. America investigators, alarmed by the extent of possible money laundering through American banks, are extending their inquiries to include other American and European banks. USA Today quoted one American official involved in the investigations as saying, "the more we dig, the more we find". Their investigation will be extended to include a number of aid programmes. The official said that tens of millions of additional dollars were missing from a special bank account set up by the Russian government to hold money earned from the sale of American grain received last year as part of a $1 billion food-aid programme. Several billion dollars of aid from the International Monetary Fund, sent to prop up the Russian economy, is also thought to have disappeared. 27 August 1999: Yeltsins deny accepting $1m 'pocket money' 20 August 1999: [City] Russia mob probe hits City © Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 1999. Terms Conditions of reading. Commercial information. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=001863356114602rtmo=pQNbBMQeatmo= pg=/et/99/8/28/wbank128.html Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: Reno planned final assault with Delta Force
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990828_xex_reno_planned.shtml SATURDAY AUGUST 28 1999 Reno planned final assault with Delta Force operatives Classified documents, Special Forces sources show military warned her about use of CS gas By Betsy Gibson 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Contrary to public statements made in recent days, Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI officials planned the final deadly assault on the Branch Davidian church in Waco, Texas, with top officers of the Delta Force, according to classified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and Special Forces sources. The FBI actually requested that Special Forces Delta Force operatives consult with them, be present on the scene and maintain equipment in preparation for a resolution of the 1993 51-day standoff that resulted in a fire that killed 80 civilians including many children, according to the documents and a knowledgeable military source. Despite this powerful evidence, as of yesterday an FBI spokesman, Tron Brekke, was still telling the Dallas Morning News that he could not say whether Delta Force might have actively assisted the FBI in any way in Waco "because I don't think anybody knows. ... That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the director are, in a very expeditious manner, going to have 40 assistant inspectors and whoever is chosen to lead them come down and find out definitively what did happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't done down there." Meanwhile, the documented information WorldNetDaily has obtained reveals that not only did Reno actively seek involvement by Delta Force, but she was warned at one meeting she attended with the FBI, Delta Force Colonel John Boykin and Webster Hubbell that the use of CS tear gas would have a variety of effects, one of which would be "Some people would panic, Quote: "mothers may run off and leave infants." The FBI's admission just days ago that pyrotechnic tear-gas canisters "may have been used" was an abrupt reversal of a six-year denial that its agents used anything capable of sparking a fire at the compound. The Delta Force document detailing the Delta Force/Reno/FBI meeting notes that when Reno asked Delta Force officers for their "assessment" of the plan, she was told: "This was not a military operation and could not be assessed as such. We explained that the situation was not one that we had ever encountered and that the Rules of Engagement for the FBI were substantially different than for a military operation. [name redacted] stated, "We can't grade your paper," as a way of explaining our position." A WorldNetDaily Special Forces source who analyzed this and other statements says Delta Force was clearly uncomfortable with any association with the FBI's plans at Waco. In another section of the document, a Delta Force colonel writes: "My final comments were that I believed that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) should consider pulling their people off the target for a short period to retrain and polish some of the perishable(WND: difficult to read, looks like "perishable") skills. I made it clear that I was not encouraging an immediate execution of the operation. My exact words were, "I don't have a dog in this fight." WorldNetDaily's source says he believes that statement shows again how Delta Force cringed over getting involved at WACO, "I believe he (the Delta Force colonel) meant that he didn't want to be directly involved in it, and did not want to be dragged into it. Delta Force operators, and Task Force 160 operators continually cautioned the FBI against attempting an "open air assault" on the target, and stated emphatically that they did not want to be involved in firing on or assaulting American civilians, according to a source. These official and unofficial comments went ignored and, in fact, one Special Operations Officer was threatened with court-martial if he continued to protest, the source said. At another point in the document, Delta Force personnel explain to Reno that Special Forces encounters are almost always militaristic and involve outright enemies who are often heavily armed. Delta Force explains that in its standard modus operandi it was, "The principles of surprise, speed and violence of action [that] were essential to any operation. [redacted] stated that momentum should be maintained and that ground gained should not be relinquished." A WND military source says "violence of action" usually refers to killing the "hostiles." A former Special Forces commando says he spoke yesterday to a Delta Force commando who was present at the final tear-gas assault on the Branch Davidian compound. Keith Idema, who was a member of Special Forces and Special Operations units from 1975 to 1992 and helped to train hostage rescue team personnel for both Delta Force and the FBI, says pictures from Waco released this week by the Texas Department of Public Safety have been mistakenly identified by the department as
[CTRL] Delta Force Told Reno to Gas Davidians [latest]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/today/news_14.html Saturday August 28 Terrorist experts advised Reno Delta Force leader at Waco meeting Jeff Nesmith - Cox Washington Bureau Saturday, August 28, 1999 Washington -- Army anti-terrorism specialists, including the commander of the top-secret Delta Force, attended the 1993 meeting at which Attorney General Janet Reno approved use of tear gas against members of the Branch Davidian group near Waco, Texas. It is the first indication that the Delta Force, whose presence at the fatal raid was disclosed this week, was involved in planning the operation. Reno has said that during that meeting, she raised numerous questions about the effect tear gas would have on members of the rebellious religious cult and, especially, their children. The military authorities reportedly assured her that when tear gas was used against them, the Davidians would be compelled to abandon the compound in which they had holed up during a 51-day standoff with FBI agents. Instead, 80 members of the sect, including its leader David Koresh and 20 children, died in a fire that consumed their compound. The FBI has said the fire was started by the Davidians. Documents released to Cox Newspapers on Friday by the FBI indicate that Col. William Boykin, then Delta Force commander, and Brig. Gen. Peter Schoomaker, then the assistant division commander of the 1st Cavalry Division at Fort Hood, Texas, were the previously unidentified officers who told Reno use of CS gas, a potent form of tear gas, would make the compound "untenable." Tear gas and the manner in which it was used at Waco have become an issue in recent days with the disclosure that what the FBI describes as "a very limited number" of military-issue pyrotechnic gas grenades were used in the final assault on the compound. This revelation, contrary to Reno's repeated assertion during recent years, has led to renewed calls by members of Congress for committee investigations. On Friday, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) called for a Senate Judiciary Committee probe of the pyrotechnic grenades, and Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) said his House Government Reform Committee would hold hearings on the matter in the fall. Reno said Thursday she was "upset" to learn that assurances to her by the FBI that incendiary tear gas grenades were not used at Waco were untrue. In addition to the controversy over the tear gas canisters, The Dallas Morning News reported that a "former CIA officer" had said he was told that three or four Army Special Forces troops at Waco had taken an active role in the Davidian assault. That would be illegal under federal laws that prohibit use of military force against American civilians without a special presidential waiver. Although it has been reported that military officers were at a meeting at which Reno was advised to approve the use of CS gas at Waco, the names of Boykin and Schoomaker were deleted from an Army memorandum describing the meeting. Both men were among the original Delta Force officers when it was established by the late Army Col. Charlie Beckwith, and both participated in the failed mission to rescue U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980. According to the widely circulated memorandum, Special Forces members were at Waco on April 19, 1993, but strictly as observers, whose activities were within legal guidelines and had been approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The document, written May 13, nearly a month after the fiery end of the Waco standoff, was a synopsis of an April 14 meeting involving Reno, then-FBI Director William Sessions, then-Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell, two Army officers, an "unknown scientist (expert on CS)" from the Army and several FBI agents. Boykin has since been promoted to major general and given overall command of the Army Special Forces Command at Fort Bragg, N.C. Schoomaker has been promoted to general and is commander of the multiservice Special Operations Command at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida. AJC Newspaper Online brought to you in partnership with AccessAtlanta © 1999 Cox Interactive Media http://www.accessatlanta.com/partners/ajc/epaper/editions/today/news_14.html Bard DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Shrub's Money Tree
-Caveat Lector- http://www.counterpunch.org/pioneers.html CounterPunch edited by alexander cockburn and jeffrey st. clair Shrub's Money Tree The media has widely reported that George W. Bush has put together a startlingly successful money-raising machine. At last report, Bush had pulled in more than $40 million. Much of the money has been raised through a network of Bush allies called the Pioneers. Each Pioneer pledged to recruit at least $100,000 for the Texas governor's presidential campaign. Campaign finance laws require candidates to disclose the names of individual contributors, but not the names of the Pioneers, who promised to bring in at least 100 checks for $1,000 each. On July 19, Texans for Public Justice, a fiesty watchdog group in Austin, wrote Bush demanding that his campaign release the names of the Pioneers. Two days later Bush complied. Here's the list of names. Joe Allen Houston TX Attorney, Vinson Elkins LLP Alfred Austin, Tampa FL President, The Austin Companies Joe Barton Ennis TX Congressman, U.S. House of Representatives Lee M. Bass, Fort Worth TX President, Lee M. Bass, Inc. George Bayoud Dallas TX former Secretary of State for Texas Louis A. Beecherl investor, Texas Oil Gas; Beecherl Investments Dennis R. Berman Dallas TX president, Denitech Wayne L. Berman, Washington DC Lobbyist, Berman Enterprises Inc Roland Betts, NY, NY Executive, Chelsea Piers Mgmt former parnter with Bush in the Texas Rangers Teel Bivins Austin TX State Senator, State of Texas James Blosser Ft. Lauderdale FL Government Relations, Poole McKinley Michael Boone, Dallas TX Attorney, Haynes Boone LLP Rudy Boschwitz, Plymouth MN Chairman, Home Value Katherine Boyd Burlingame CA owner, Katherine Boyd Interior Decoration Dan Branch Dallas TX Attorney, Langley Branch Stephen Brauer Bridgeton MO Executive, Hunter Engineering Co Nancy Brinker Dallas, TX housewife, Brinker International William Brisben, OH Home Builder, W. O. Brisben Companies Christopher Burnham, CT Asset Mgmt, Columbus Circle Investors Jonathan Bush, Killingworth CT Chairman, J Bush Co Inc/Riggs Bank George W. Bush's uncle William H. T. Bush St. Louis MO Chairman, Bush, O'Donnell Co. Joe Canizaro New Orleans LA CEO, Joseph Canizaro Inc A. R. "Pete" Carpenter Jacksonville FL CEO, CSX Transportation Claiborne Carrington San Antonio TX Bill Ceverha Dallas TX State Lobbyist James Click, AZ Executive, Jim Click Automotive Herb Collins, Boston MA Chair, Boston Capital Partners Peter Coneway Houston TX Investment Banker, Goldman Sachs Co. Jim Culbertson, Winston-Salem NC Executive, Financial Computing Inc Robert Dedman Jr. Dallas TX CEO, ClubCorp International on National Center for Policy Analysis's Board Bob Devlin Houston TX CEO, American General Financial Bill DeWitt Cincinnati OH Private Investor, Reynolds, DeWitt Securities Company Jennifer Dunn, Seattle, WA US Representative, Congress Patrick Durkin Greenwich CT Managing Director, Donaldson Lufkin Jenrette Dick Egan Hopkinton MA EMC Corporation Contributions to Bush's Gov. Races: $0 Gov. John Engler, Lansing, MI Governor, State of Michigan Marty Fiorentino Jacksonville FL VP of Communications, CSX Transportation Tom Foley Greenwich CT Executive, The NTC Group Sam Fox St. Louis MO CEO, Harbour Group Jim Francis Dallas TX President, Francis Enterprises Bradford (Brad) Freeman Los Angeles CA General Partner, Freeman, Spogli Co. David Girard-diCarlo Philidelphia PA Attorney/ CEO, Blank, Rome, Comisky, McCauley LLP D. Stephen Goddard Houston Tx Managing Partner, Arthur Andersen LLP Hank Greenberg NY, NY CEO, American International Group Adele Hall Shawnee Mission KS Hallmark Cards Tim Hammonds Washington DC president/lobbyist, Food Marketing Institute Dick Heath Dallas TX CEO, BeautiControl Cosmetics R. Steven Hicks Austin/Dallas TX CEO, Capstar Broadcasting Co. Roger Hirl Dallas TX Pres CEO, Occidental Chemical Co. Alfred Hoffman Ft. Myers FL CEO, Watermark Communities, Inc. Bob B. Holland III Dallas TX Senior VP, General Counsel, Triton Energy R.D. Hubbard Palm Desert CA CEO, Hollywood Park, Inc. James Huffines Austin TX Investor, Morgan Keegan; Bank of Dallas Gaylord Hughey Jr. Tyler TX Attorney, Hughey Oil Company; Potter Gunn Atty. Robert Woods Johnson New York NY CEO, Johnson Johnson, Inc. Thomas Johnson Austin TX Exec. Director, AGC (Associated General Contractors) of Texas Walter Johnson Houston TX President CEO, Southwest Bank of Texas Don Jordan Houston TX Exec., Reliant Energy Shelly Kamins Washington DC Chairman of GOPAC; Investor, Blum Frank Kamins Stephen Kass Burbank CA Richard Nancy Kinder, Houston TX Chairman CEO, Kinder Morgan, Inc. Former CEO of Enron Dorothy Koch, Bethesda MD George Bush's sister Michael Kojaian Southfield MI President, Kojaian Mgmt Corp David Laney Dallas TX Attorney, Jenkins Gilchrist James Langdon, Washington DC Attorney, Akin Gump Strauss Hauer Feld Frank Lavin, Canton OH
[CTRL] The Feminization of the U.S. Military...
-Caveat Lector- ~ The Feminization of the U.S. Military... August 11, 1999 -- Phyllis Schlafly Even though the voters elected a President who said he "loathes" the military, we couldn't have imagined back in 1992 how much damage Bill Clinton would actually do. Now we wonder if our once-great military can survive another year and a half of our most embarrassing Commander-in-Chief. Every service except the Marines is falling short of its recruitment goals. Our most experienced pilots are leaving in unprecedented numbers, and even large cash inducements can't prevail on them to reenlist. Raising the pay of our service personnel and buying them glitzier equipment won't remedy the problems any more than additional money poured into poor schools is improving education. The most serious problems are the feminization of the military and U.S. involvement in foreign conflicts that bear no relation to American national security. Other morale-lowering problems are the court-martialling of honorable servicemen for such offenses as refusing to wear a United Nations uniform and refusing to be "shot" with the experimental, controversial anthrax vaccine. Add to this list of problems the career-ending punishment of a serviceman with a superior record because he objected to spending 48 hours secluded with a female not his wife. Whatever happened to common sense, as well as standards of honor, morality, and patriotism? For 25 years, the feminists have been demanding a gender-neutral military. What they really want is for feminists to give the orders, with the men cowed into submission, and Bill Clinton is helping them to pursue their goal. Gender-integrated basic training has resulted in lower standards, more injuries to women, more resentment among men, and scandalous examples of rape and sexual harassment. Only the Marines have not yet fallen for the idiocy of integrated basic training. In 1997, a Pentagon commission headed by former Senator Nancy Kassebaum-Baker called for sex-segregated basic training. She served the ball right up over the plate, but the Republican Congress struck out, created another commission stacked with feminists, and caved in to their demand to continue coed basic training. At Minot Air Force Base, N.D., the practice is to send two officers down to the base of the missile silo, where they spend 24 to 48 hours secluded in a space about the size of a school bus, with one bed and one bathroom behind a curtain. The Minot missile force has 250 men and 83 women, resulting in the high probability of mixed-gender two-person crews. Lt. Ryan Berry, a Catholic and married, objected to being so cozy for so long with a woman not his wife. He was punished by his commanding officer, who spouted the feminist mantra that "equal opportunity" is the Air Force's top priority. The latest foolishness is the Navy toying with the notion of putting female sailors on submarines. Navy Secretary Richard Danzig floated this terrible idea in a June 3 speech to the Naval Submarine League when he warned the submarine force that it was in danger of remaining a "white male bastion" and ought to get in step with the rest of society. The Navy has already sent some female officer candidates on unprecedented two-day-and-night "career orientation" trips aboard submarines. The close quarters and psychological strain of submarines are even more unsuited for coed coziness than the coed tents which the U.S. Army uses for our "peacekeeping" forces in Bosnia. On attack submarines, three men often share a single "hot bunk" in rotation. It's hard to say which option would be more destructive of submarine teamwork and morale: a "hot bunk" menage a trois or giving female sailors preferred, exclusive accommodations. We already know from Lt. Berry's case that "equal opportunity" for women means indiscriminate assignment that flouts common sense, the realities of human nature, the dignity of marriage, and respect for the wives at home. The purpose of the military is to defend Americans against the bad guys of the world. The warrior culture, with tough, all-male training, is what attracts young men into the armed services and motivates them to sacrifice personal comfort and safety while serving their country in uniform. It's no wonder that the services can't fill their recruitment goals for feminized military. Dumbing down the physical and psychological requirements so that Clinton's political appointees and the medaled brass can continue to tell us that women and men are performing equally is destructive of morale for many reasons, not the least of which is that it is a lie. Although the Constitution gives Congress the responsibility "to make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces," most of this destructive social experimentation to create a gender-neutral military has been implemented, not by law, but by executive orders and regulations.
[CTRL] CONGRESS ACTION: August 29, 1999
-Caveat Lector- CONGRESS ACTION: August 29, 1999 = WE BELIEVE JANET RENO: It turns out that Attorney General Janet Reno was not accurate, publicly and during sworn congressional testimony, when she repeatedly denied that incendiary devices had been used by the FBI in the final assault on the religious devotees in Waco, Texas, six years ago. The denouement of Waco was the death of 86 people, including 24 children, most burned to death in the final assault. Reno initially justified the assault because she believed that child abuse was occurring. Her response to stop the abuse was to attack the area with armored vehicles and tear gas. She later admitted that she was wrong about the abuse excuse. Sorry about that. Now that the truth is starting to emerge about the siege and assault, Reno has pledged to get to the bottom of it all. We believe Janet Reno. That would be the same Janet Reno who ignored the advice of the Director of the FBI when he said that an Independent Counsel was needed to investigate campaign finance illegalities. The same Janet Reno who ignored the advice of her hand picked investigator, Charles La Bella, when La Bella said that an Independent Counsel was needed to investigate campaign finance illegalities. The same Janet Reno who ignored Congressional requests that she delay concluding sentencing agreements with those who pled guilty to campaign finance related violations, because the Congress needed to question those people as part of their own investigation of campaign finance illegalities. The same Janet Reno who refused to disclose information to Congress about her campaign fundraising investigations because they were still open cases. Janet Reno claims that her lack of cooperation with Congress was only because she was pursuing justice and didn#8217;t want to impair ongoing cases. We believe Janet Reno. For six years, there were people who claimed, despite official denials, that the FBI or the ATF actually did use incendiary devices. Those people were called kooks, wackos, extremists, and conspiracy nuts. Now it turns out that they were right. Perhaps that#8217;s not all they were right about. Let#8217;s examine some of the other claims, which have also been dismissed as fantasies. Some people have claimed that, as fire engulfed the compound, government forces shot at those who were trying to get out of the burning buildings. The gunfire forced them back into the inferno, it was claimed, where they died. Some people have claimed, despite official denials, that government forces fired machine guns from circling helicopters at those trapped inside. Some have claimed, despite official denials, that American military forces were involved in the Waco assault, in violation of federal law. And Janet Reno has previously acknowledged seeking advice from the Delta Force prior to the final assault at Waco. According to a retired CIA officer quoted in the Dallas Morning News this week, American military Delta Force anti-terrorist commandos were indeed "present, up front and close", during the final tear gas assault. Pentagon officials have denied that they participated in the assault. Reno has pledged "I will not stop till I get to the bottom of this." We believe Janet Reno. Attorney General Reno claimed that she has been misled by the FBI for six years about the use of incendiary devices at Waco. She was repeatedly reassured, she says, that nothing of the sort was used. And now that the FBI has changed its account, Reno is "very, very troubled", "very, very frustrated", "very, very upset". She will not rest until she discovers the truth. That would be the same Janet Reno whose boss has been adjudicated by a judge to have employed "deceptions and falsehoods in an attempt to obstruct the judicial process". Certainly, we believe Janet Reno. It may turn out that the new revelations about Waco might in the end have some salutary effect. Members of the pro-Clinton mainstream media are realizing, many of them for the first time, how well and thoroughly they have been hoodwinked by this administration. Perhaps there are a few media big-shots who still retain a modicum of self respect, honor, and integrity, who will finally awake from their six year stupor and re-examine some of the other facile excuses offered by this administration to justify some of their other past abuses. Perhaps at least some members of the mainstream media will regain some of their traditional and much needed skepticism the next time some Clinton mouthpiece tries to explain away the next outrageous abuse of power. It may be that some in the mainstream media will try, many of them for the first time, to ferret out the truth about this administration rather than simply cheering from the sidelines and regurgitating whatever patently absurd lies are offered by Clinton spinners. If the media finally begins to call this administration to account for its multiple misdeeds, those 86 who died at Waco may not have
[CTRL] Reno planned final assault with Delta Force operatives
-Caveat Lector- Reno planned final assault with Delta Force operatives Classified documents, Special Forces sources show military warned her about use of CS gas By Betsy Gibson © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com Contrary to public statements made in recent days, Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI officials planned the final deadly assault on the Branch Davidian church in Waco, Texas, with top officers of the Delta Force, according to classified documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and Special Forces sources. The FBI actually requested that Special Forces Delta Force operatives consult with them, be present on the scene and maintain equipment in preparation for a resolution of the 1993 51-day standoff that resulted in a fire that killed 80 civilians including many children, according to the documents and a knowledgeable military source. Despite this powerful evidence, as of yesterday an FBI spokesman, Tron Brekke, was still telling the Dallas Morning News that he could not say whether Delta Force might have actively assisted the FBI in any way in Waco "because I don't think anybody knows. ... That's part of the reason that the attorney general and the director are, in a very expeditious manner, going to have 40 assistant inspectors and whoever is chosen to lead them come down and find out definitively what did happen," he said. "I don't know what was done or wasn't done down there." Meanwhile, the documented information WorldNetDaily has obtained reveals that not only did Reno actively seek involvement by Delta Force, but she was warned at one meeting she attended with the FBI, Delta Force Colonel John Boykin and Webster Hubbell that the use of CS tear gas would have a variety of effects, one of which would be "Some people would panic, Quote: "mothers may run off and leave infants." The FBI's admission just days ago that pyrotechnic tear-gas canisters "may have been used" was an abrupt reversal of a six-year denial that its agents used anything capable of sparking a fire at the compound. The Delta Force document detailing the Delta Force/Reno/FBI meeting notes that when Reno asked Delta Force officers for their "assessment" of the plan, she was told: "This was not a military operation and could not be assessed as such. We explained that the situation was not one that we had ever encountered and that the Rules of Engagement for the FBI were substantially different than for a military operation. [name redacted] stated, "We can't grade your paper," as a way of explaining our position." A WorldNetDaily Special Forces source who analyzed this and other statements says Delta Force was clearly uncomfortable with any association with the FBI's plans at Waco. In another section of the document, a Delta Force colonel writes: "My final comments were that I believed that the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team) should consider pulling their people off the target for a short period to retrain and polish some of the perishable(WND: difficult to read, looks like "perishable") skills. I made it clear that I was not encouraging an immediate execution of the operation. My exact words were, "I don't have a dog in this fight." WorldNetDaily's source says he believes that statement shows again how Delta Force cringed over getting involved at WACO, "I believe he (the Delta Force colonel) meant that he didn't want to be directly involved in it, and did not want to be dragged into it. Delta Force operators, and Task Force 160 operators continually cautioned the FBI against attempting an "open air assault" on the target, and stated emphatically that they did not want to be involved in firing on or assaulting American civilians, according to a source. These official and unofficial comments went ignored and, in fact, one Special Operations Officer was threatened with court-martial if he continued to protest, the source said. At another point in the document, Delta Force personnel explain to Reno that Special Forces encounters are almost always militaristic and involve outright enemies who are often heavily armed. Delta Force explains that in its standard modus operandi it was, "The principles of surprise, speed and violence of action [that] were essential to any operation. [redacted] stated that momentum should be maintained and that ground gained should not be relinquished." A WND military source says "violence of action" usually refers to killing the "hostiles." A former Special Forces commando says he spoke yesterday to a Delta Force commando who was present at the final tear-gas assault on the Branch Davidian compound. Keith Idema, who was a member of Special Forces and Special Operations units from 1975 to 1992 and helped to train hostage rescue team personnel for both Delta Force and the FBI, says pictures from Waco released this week by the Texas Department of Public Safety have been mistakenly identified by the department as gun silencers
[CTRL] Inside the Waco war room
-Caveat Lector- Inside the Waco war room Notes on Reno's meeting with the military © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com The following is a document providing a description and non-verbatim notes of a meeting between representatives of the Army's Delta Force, the FBI and Attorney General Janet Reno. A redacted version of this document was recently released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. But WorldNetDaily's Special Forces source has the unredacted document. Here, wherever he feels he can, he has either filled in what has previously been blacked out a) exactly as it appears in the original uncensored document or b) provided a description, in his own words, of what the original says. WND's source has also provided relevant explanations of certain abbreviations and terminology. These additions and comments appear in brackets in itallic. DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta [WND's source says this is Delta Force] SFOD-D-CG [WND: This means Delta's commanding general ] MEMORANDUM FOR: Commander, U.S. Army Special Operations Command, Fort Bragg, Subject: Meeting With members of the FBI and the Department of Justice. Reference: The Incident in Waco, Texas. 1.[unreadable word], the following is a synopsis of the meeting on 14 April 1993 in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) Director's Conference Room. The meeting began at approximately 15:30 Attendees were as follows: US Army Major General Shoemaker Colonel John Boykin [WND: Boykin was then a colonel in Delta Force and is now a general at USASOC ] An 04 from DCSOPS [WND's source says the above means a major from deputy chief of staff for operations, which would be an assault team leader from Delta Force Squadron ] Unknown Scientist (Expert on CS) [WND's source points out CS means tear gas ] FBI Director Sessions Deputy Diector Floyd Clark Special Agent Danny Coulson Special Agent Larry Pont Special Agent Dick Rogers (HRT Commander) Department of Justice Honorable Janet Reno (Attorney General) Mr. Hubble [WND: as in Webster Hubbell ] Two UI persons [WND's source says of UI persons which means unidentified persons, that they were "alleged at the time to to be White House personnel reporting directly to Clinton who refused to be identified during the meeting." ] 2.This meeting began with an explanation by the scientist on the effects of CS on humans. He referred to experiments over the years with both humans and animals. His assessment was that CS was non-lethal and presented very little physical threat to the Branch Davidian occupants. The Attorney General and others from the Department of Justice asked a variety of questions on the effects of CS and the potential hazards. They were assured by both the FBI and the scientist that the risks of serious injury associated with CS were low. Attorney General Reno then asked both [redacted] to give an assessment of the effects of CS. Our assessment was as follows: a.(U) Some people would panic, Quote: "mothers may run off and leave infants." b.(U) Some would continue to function by using expedient techniques to overcome the effects; e.g., use of a wet cloth on the face. c.(U) Even with protective masks, eventually the facility would become untenable (inhabitants would have to eat and drink at some point). d.(U) In summary, we assessed that if the objective of the FBI was to make the building uninhabitable, then CS would accomplish that. We stated that it was our belief that if enough CS was [unreadable word], eventually the inhabitants would not be able to remain inside. 3.It was obvious that Attorney General Reno had already been briefed on the concept of the operation. Special Agent Dick Rogers gave a brief summary of his plan using a series of enlarged photographs of the compound and a model made of cardboard and wood. The FBI saw this as an arrest situation and not a hostage barricade. Their goal was to force the compound inhabitants out of the building so they could be arrested. Dick Rogers stated to Attorney General Janet Reno that his primary concern was for the safety of the FBI agents and other law enforcement officers. Their view was that this was not an assault. The stated intent was to incrementally "gas" the compound for up to 48 hours. After 48 hours, the next step would be to use an armored platform with a blade to start removing the front of the building. 4.Attorney General Reno then asked for our assessment of the plan. We collectively made the following points: a.(U) This was not a military operation and could not be assessed as such. We explained that the situation was not one that we had ever encountered and that the Rules of Engagement for the FBI were substantially different than for a military operation. [name redacted] stated, "We can't grade your paper," as a way
[CTRL] klintoon/algore killing machine: Who NATO Killed[+waco]
-Caveat Lector- http://www.counterpunch.org/dead.html CounterPunch edited by alexander cockburn and jeffrey st. clair Who NATO Killed Since the Nato airstrikes began on March 24 Serb officials say more than 2,000 civilians have been killed and more than 7,500 wounded. Nato has owned up to bombing raids and missile attacks that have killed 460 civilians, according to a tally by Agence France-Presse. By all accounts, the bombing was indiscriminate, killing farmers, suburbanites, city dwellers, factory workers, reporters, diplomats, people in cars, busses and trains, hospital patients, the elderly and children. Indeed, by our count, Nato bombing raids have killed more than 200 children. Hundreds more will almost certainly perish in the coming months, through environmental factors, such as poisoned water supplies and lack of electrical power to run vital hospital equipment. The following list of civilian casualties is far from comprehensive. We compiled it from daily reports by the Yugoslav Foreign Ministry and wire services, including Agence France Presse, Reuters and AP. Aleksinac Five Nato missiles hit Aleksinac, a small mining community, on April 6. Seventeen civilians, taking shelter in a basement of a house, were all killed. Although there is no military presence in the residential area that was bombed, more than 400 homes were destroyed. Ariljaca Nato missiles hit Ariljaca, a small town outside Pristina, on April 28, killing two and injuring a dozen civilians. Belgrade Near midnight on June 1, 14 missiles destroyed a block of houses in a suburb of Belgrade killing 5 and injuring 20. Around 1 a.m. on May 20, Nato cluster bombs hit "Dragisa Misovic" hospital in downtown Belgrade. The neurological ward, the maternity ward, the gynecological ward and the children's ward for lung diseases were destroyed. Nato later admitted that one of the laser guided bombs overshot its target by about 1,500 feet (460 meters). During the attack 4 women were in active labor. A woman who, at the time of the attack, was having a Caesarean section, was also injured. She was transferred to the basement where her baby was finally delivered! In the attack 4 patients were killed, and several women in labor were wounded. On May 8, Nato airstrikes hit the Chinese Embassy, destroying half of the building. According to the Chinese Government there were about 30 people in the building at the moment of the attack. Four Chinese citizens were killed and at least 20 injured. On Friday, April 23, around 2 a.m., the building of the Serbian National Broadcasting Network was destroyed by Nato air strikes. The building is in the very center of Belgrade, a few hundred feet from a children's theater, St. Marko's Church, the City Childrens Center and the local market. More than 20 civilian employees of the TV station were killed. On April 16, Milica Rakic, a three-year-old girl, was killed in the Nato attack on Batajnica, a residential suburb of Belgrade. The administrative center of the Ministry of Internal Affairs was hit several times. The building is in the very center of Belgrade, near the city hospital, which has the largest delivery ward in Belgrade. Several civilians, who were passing by the building at the time of the attack, were killed. On April 13, a cluster bomb hit the Veterans Army Hospital in downtown Belgrade, injuring sixteen patients. Bor Six persons were wounded when Nato hit the electricity relay station at a mine site in Basin Bor on May 15. Cacak On May 5, Nato forces destroyed the Sloboda plant, the largest factory in Cacak. This factory produced domestic appliances and employed 5,000 workers. A residential area near the factory was also destroyed. Two persons were killed, one of them was a 74-year-old woman. Seven were injured. Cuprija On June 1, 2 civilians were killed and 9 wounded when Nato bombs destroyed more than 100 houses in the center of this small town. Djakovica On April 21 70 civilians died and 20 were injured in a refugee camp near Djakovica, home for more than 500 people evicted from Krajina (Croatia). The houses were completely destroyed. Just four years ago, more than 400,000 civilian Serbs were ethnically cleansed from the Krajina region by the Croatian government of Franjo Tudjman. There were 53 bomb craters at the site. On April 19, seven missiles hit the same site, killing five and wounding 16. Gnjilane Nato attacked Gnjilane a number of times in May. There were dozens of civilian casualties. The City Hospital was hit and badly damaged. Grdelica Nato hit an international train, on regular service from Belgrade to Thessaloniki (Greece), in the vicinity of Leskovac on Monday, April 12. Sixty passengers were killed, including a 10 year-old child. More than 30 passengers were wounded. All casualties were civilians. Gucevo On April 23, Nato planes attacked this mountain ski resort, seriously injuring the manager of the complex. Istok On May 21, a prison in Istok was hit with two
[CTRL] Folic Acid to Beat the Blues
-Caveat Lector- August 26, 1999 - Folic Acid to Beat the Blues Pregnant women have long been advised to take folate, or folic acid, to ensure proper development of the fetus. This B vitamin has been shown to reduce the risk of heart disease in both men and women. Now, there's evidence that folate can also help you beat the blues. A recent study by Harvard researchers indicated that 15-38% of depressed adults have low levels of folic acid. Research also suggests that depressed adults with low levels of folic acid and vitamin B12 do not gain as much benefit from antidepressant medications as those with adequate levels of B vitamins. Most people - both men and women - should take 400 mcg of folate a day in vitamin form, to supplement the amount found in the average American diet. Good food sources include dark green leafy vegetables, broccoli, whole grain cereals and breads, and orange juice. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Reno And Delta Force
-Caveat Lector- WHO HAS COVERED THIS UP? THESE GOVERNMENT ACTS AT WACO ARE MURDER, PURE AND SIMPLE! TO LET DOJ HANDLE THE INVESTIGATION WOULD BE EQUAL TO LETTING THE NAZIS PRESIDE AT NUREMBURG. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scientists say God .....Exists
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/28/99 1:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abiogenesis has been observed - why invoke god(s)? I'd sure like to know when this has been observed. Did some scientists create life sometime, out of nonliving matter. That would be major news after all. I'm not talking about self replicating chemicals, I'm talking about lifeforms, created. There is a Quantum leap from self replicating chemical compounds and life in my view. When was life created from nonliving matter? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CT Research?
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what's got you all up in a bunch? Myself am busy, what's up? Om K I'll try to explain. Lots of articles by Fritz Springmeier appeared. I took the time to read them. I found a lot of mistakes, errors, and contradictions. I pointed them out and the only reaction is: "I know Fritz, personally, and he his a good guy" and "So what's got you all up in a bunch?" "Myself am busy, what's up?" If the verifyable facts contain errors, the unverifyable "facts" are very likely containing errors too. The DISCLAIMER READS: "CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list." You're not discussing but evading. The name of the list is Conspiracy Theory Research List. You're not researching but accepting the "facts" without proof. That's what's up. But don't worry, there are a lot of "conspiracy" pages with errors and contradictions, FS is not the only one. I've been collecting them (a very rewarding pastime) and I'll put them on my website, with links, copyright notices and original clips. So, I'm busy too. Natalie A man must not swallow more beliefs than he can digest. Havelock Ellis [The Dance of Life] DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Traumatic Abuse in Cults
-Caveat Lector- Below please find information on traumatic abuse in cults. Sincerely, Neil Brick PS Here's a quote from below: As Judith Herman says, in her seminal work entitled Trauma and Recovery (1992), "secrecy and silence are the perpetrator's first line of defense" (p. 8). I have also heard it said that silence is perpetrator's best friend. IMO, it takes courage to speak up intelligently, but it is worth it. Excerpts from: http://www.cyberpass.net/truth/essay.htm Traumatic Abuse in Cults: An Exploration of an Unfamiliar Social Problem by Daniel Shaw, C.S.W. ...In the phrase, "Don't ever tell anyone about this, especially not your mother," I heard a chilling echo of the voice of the incestuous father, the battering husband, the sexual harasser, the rapist. As Judith Herman says, in her seminal work entitled Trauma and Recovery (1992), "secrecy and silence are the perpetrator's first line of defense" (p. 8). It was hearing these words, "Don't ever tell," that broke for me what Ernst Becker (1973) has called "the spell cast by persons -- the nexus of unfreedom." As I began to explore my experiences and those of others I realized that because I had accepted the leader's claims to perfection and enlightenment, I had been unable to recognize abuses ...for what they were. My emerging insights, fostered by counseling and study, have been strongly linked to my work with clients. Their experiences helped to clarify my own, and understanding my experiences helped me to form deeper therapeutic bonds with them. The purpose of this essay is to : ...further social work knowledge and understanding of the traumatic impact of religious cults; explore the commonalities between victims of cult abuse and other forms of abuse, such as rape, incest, and battering; attempt to understand aspects of our culture that have fostered a climate in which so many find themselves exposed to exploitative and abusive behaviors in cultic groups; and highlight the themes of my social work education that have been most relevant for me, in connection with my work with clients and my personal experience of abusive behaviors in cults. What Is a Cult, and Why Do People Get Involved in Them? Cult experts estimate that there are about 5,000 cultic groups in the United States today and that about 10 to 20 million people have at some point in recent years been in one or more of such groups (Langone, 1993) Michael Langone (1993), a psychologist who has worked with approximately 3,000 families of cult members, defines a cult as: a group or movement that, to a significant degree, exhibits great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, uses a thought-reform program to persuade, control, and socialize members (i.e., to integrate them into the group's unique pattern of relationships, beliefs, values, and practices), systematically induces states of psychological dependency in members, exploits members to advance the leadership's goals, and causes psychological harm to members, their families, and the community (p. 5). I would add to this definition that a religious cult is led by a person who claims to have reached human perfection or unity with the divine, and who claims therefore to be exempt from social or moral limitations or restrictions. Within this autocracy, the leader is not held to normative societal standards of conduct and is not subject to any system of checks and balances. Behavior that would in any other context be considered amoral, if not psychopathic, is idealized by devotees as indicative of the leader's transcendent perfection and enlightenment. Seduction The questions most often asked of former cult members, usually with incredulity, are "How did you get into something like this? And why did you stay so long?" The unspoken subtext seems to be, "How could someone like you end up in something like this? There must have been something wrong with you." Certainly most former cult members were not seeking to be controlled, made dependent, exploited, or psychologically harmed when they first committed themselves to membership. One reason cults are so successful is that they have mastered the art of seduction, using techniques of undue influence (Cialdini, 1984). As Hochman (1990) notes, cults, by employing miracle, mystery, and authority, "promise salvation. Instead of boredom -- noble and sweeping goals. Instead of existential anxiety -- structure and certainty. Instead of alienation -- community. Instead of impotence -- solidarity directed by all-knowing leaders" (p. 179). Cults prey upon idealistic seekers, offering answers to social problems and promising to promote bona fide social change. Recruiting addresses the anxieties and loneliness of people experiencing personal problems, transition or crisis, by holding out the promise of transformative healing within the framework of a caring and understanding community (Tobias et al.). Cult recruiting often takes place in
Re: [CTRL] SNET: [piml] Police Invade and Kill LA Grandfather
-Caveat Lector- " El Monte Assistant Police Chief Bill Ankeny said an explosive entry is a standard SWAT procedure and can involve opening a door with a battering ram or a round of gunfire. "We throw flash-bang grenades. We bust open the doors. You've seen it on TV," Ankeny said. "We do bang on the door and make an announcement--'It's the police'--but it kind of runs together. If you're sitting on the couch, it would be difficult to get to the door before they knock it down." It's time to start eliminating these thugs from all areas of law enforcement. I can't think of any reason a local PD would ever need a SWAT team. he said he also emptied his Tijuana bank account of more than $10,000 in savings, fearing that the money could be lost to the much-publicized computer complications that some people are afraid will occur Jan. 1. She showed a reporter the bank receipt for the withdrawal. I'd be willing to bet my right arm there was no drug investigation at all. Someone at the bank told someone in the PD this guy just withdrew all his money and they cooked up a scenario that would allow them to confiscate the money. Kathleen "Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving in words evidence of the fact." --George Eliot DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] FW: August 28 is Aspartame Awareness Day worldwide: How you can help + Meditationhelp requested for East Timor (see at the end)
-Caveat Lector- forwarded Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: jean hudon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 12:56 AM To: Jean Hudon Subject: August 28 is Aspartame Awareness Day worldwide: How you can help + Meditationhelp requested for East Timor (see at the end) Hello everyone As promised, here is a compilation of *some* of the material sent to me by Betty Martini, the indefatigable anti-aspartame activist from Atlanta, Georgia, in the US, who has been waging a herculean David versus Goliath fight against Monsanto and the FDA in an effort to stop the poisoning of millions of people worldwide. She has now enlisted dozens of people in many countries as part of Mission Possible International, the volunteer organization she created to expand her battle to the entire world. She decided that today would be the Aspartame Awareness Day and, in support of this noble and vital cause, I've decided to send you all some of the voluminous correspondance I receive from Betty and Shoshanna, also from Atlanta, who is assisting Betty almost round the clock. I won't try to emulate Betty's eloquent pleas and facts exposés. I will only urge you to review this material and make up your own mind on this deadly poison. Check their website and review my previous posts on this if you have not seen them at http://www.cybernaute.com/earthconcert2000/Aspartame.htm /NancieMarkle.htm and /StopNeotame.htm And please help spread the word on this plague Jean Hudon Earth Rainbow Network Coordinator http://www.cybernaute.com/earthconcert2000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 From: Betty Martini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: August 28 is Aspartame Awareness Day worldwide: How you can help Below is one of the press releases. While there are walks and talks, and flyer distribution there are many things people can do tomorrow. Radio and TV will be broadcasting the information. Some people will distribute the brochure we produced for the day and to place Warning: NutraSweet Is A Neurotoxin, to medical buildings and hospitals. It is at http:www.dorway.com/handouts.html and titled "NutraSweet Disease Is A Worldwide Plague". We want people made aware that aspartame is also a genetically engineered product, and that was never made known to the people since it was approved in l981. We hope everyone will do something tomorrow - notify a restaurant or manufacturer with a flyer, notify a newsgroup how to get the brochure - send brochures to family and friends, etc. If you are a writer get the info to the public and the www.dorway.com web site. If you have an interest in some of the horrors aspartame causes, then get information to that segment. For instance, aspartame blinds, mimics MS, is escalating Alzheimers and precipitates diabetes. It triggers brain tumors, testicular tumors, ovarian and uterine tumors, pancreatic tumors and is a seizure triggering drug that interacts with other drugs and changes brain chemistry. Because of serotonin depletion it triggers rage, manic depression, suicidal tendencies and organizations dealing with mental disease and crime should also be notified. Aspartame is also a teratogen and triggers birth defects and can cause mental retardation if the baby survives and is PKU. In Atlanta we notified schools that aspartame destroys minds, reduces intelligence and triggers disruptive behavior. If anyone wants a copy of a letter sent to the schools on the addiction problem please email me. Also, we are asking for petitions to be signed for recall and to be mailed to me. Bryant Holman has bumper stickers that say aspartame kills and has two versions of the petition. You can get in touch with him at [EMAIL PROTECTED] He has the Aspartame Support Group, one of two on line for the victims of Aspartame Disease. Thank you, one and all, Betty Martini, Mission Possible International Standard Press Release follows: For Immediate Release: Aspartame Awareness Day, August 28 Contact Betty Martini: 770-242-2599 Reminder to ALL Media with Additional Information The first NutraSweet Detoxification Center has been set up by Dr. Paula Rhodes, and she will also be at Return to Eden on 8/28 to speak to the press. August 28 is Aspartame Awareness Day, an initiative to inform consumers throughout the world of the deadly effects of this chemical sweetener sold as NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, etc. The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the chemical poison even though in lab tests it triggered seizures, tumors and death in animals fed aspartame. FDA's own audit, the Bressler Report also posted on www.dorway.com revealed brain, mammary, testicular, pancreatic, uterine and ovarian tumors. An FDA report of 10,000 consumer complaints listed 92 symptoms from headaches to impotence and death. Get it from an email addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED], otherwise you need a Congressman. Diet drinks is the #1 source on the FDA report. Renowned
[CTRL] fwd: from Jean Hudon
-Caveat Lector- Hello, Friend... please read and redistribute... Jean Hudon [EMAIL PROTECTED] (forwarded info below) seems to be a good example of a guy who has come from only (publically at least) speaking from a moonbeams 'n rainbows new-agey perspective of "world peace" to a multi-level awareness which includes the facts of various muleheaded gummint "contingency plans" of consistently interrelating fascist nature. There are SO MANY reports which indicate people's sightings/impressions of U.N. - marked/painted vehicles, helicopters, planes, military transport- quite a few reliable-seeming low key "sightings" of U.N. uniforms/badges on "local" police .. (including 100,000+ viewers of "Columbine incident" original local TV coverage)... I could provide several weeks worth of reading material on the subject ALONE... add these facts to the worldwide "Gun Confiscations" currently being plotted and we see an interesting part of NWO militaristic planning. It is important (imho) to be aware of the NWO planning and actions. Also VERY, VERY important to have NO FEAR. We could all do well to emulate what Jean Hudon has modelled for us, in terms of his never-wavering dedication to doing what he sees as constructive- Both in the group meditations for world peace/ transformation AND in his more recent urging to awareness of NWO planners' schemes. This REALISTIC approach is ever-so-valuable, in that "forewarned is forarmed" -with understanding and a little planning/readiness of our own, the MAIN WEAPON that the NWO intends to use: FEAR - can be taken from them, rather neatly disarming them and possibly leaving some embarrassingly revealing infrastructure of their planning in plain view. If people can choose not to react out of fear, then "love will find a way"... my $0.02 I have sampled the temporal/causational cognitive/intentional/emotive flux in The Force grin and have determined a very small probability of the overwhelming terror that NWO would need to implement their plans for "endgame strategies" in the next 4 months... UNLESS... they unleash some of the Bio-war and E-war(electronic) "contingency plans" (watch our for little green men M.I.B. ;) ... which again seems fairly unlikely- these forms of anti-civilian warfare are not "reliable" and any failure would yield Revolution, quite likely. This site contains a lot of useful information regarding first-aid treatment with Homeopathy, also useful Bio-war treatment ideas: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7776/index.htm this is valuable information in ANY event- I suggest that you all TAKE BACK your responsibility freedom of personal health from the Medical Establishment! Remember all the Bush-Speak of NWO and "iron fists in velvet gloves" and reject efforts to centralize authority and power- under the infinitely corrupt Federal U.S. gummint, OR it's intended successor- Orwell's NWO wet-dream cum Frankenstein- a U.N. "world government." In closing- my personal urging is to continue to do your own personal work "in Spirit" ... evolving your own consciousness as vehicle-for-Spirit; but remain in balance- your hearts and thoughts embrace Gaiasphere and dwell in Spirit; be aware that your "toes" may step in the muck of political manuevering by folks who'd seek to curtail your physical freedom... Sent in the interest of continuing evolution of freedom- body Spirit, Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: jean hudon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 12:50 AM To: Mark Graffis Subject: FWd FLASH: MELTDOWN COULD COME IN SEPT. From: "Randy Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FLASH: MELTDOWN COULD COME IN SEPT. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 MELTDOWN COULD COME IN SEPT. ALL PERSONNEL IN ALL JURISDICTIONS SHOULD BE READY FOR THE WORSE BY 9/9/99. THIS COMPUTER DATE HAS MUCH MORE POTENTIAL FOR CHAOS THEN THE GPS ROLL OVER DID, BY FAR. In what could be an initial shocker before the y2k meltdown, the date could be the date that breaks the camel's back. Various sources trickling in seems to point toward that date as the beginning of our battle with the socialist FEDs and the other alphabet soups. That date is when some Cobol Programs will see it as the end of time! was encoded as an end of program marker. We have no idea how many programs could be affected by this date anymore that we know how many chips, computers and programs will be effected by 00. But it appears that the MIB's are gearing up for the worse. Rumors are also circulating about the pre-printing of ration cards (that post follows). There is no question that America's militia, Revolution Armies, and just plain good folk must be ready for just like they need to be ready for Jan 1st. The problems are also trickle down in nature in that they cause more goofy data to go out through the system causing other failures later. DeTocqueville sent this. Wednesday,
[CTRL] GE / GM foods and POISON, poisonous roots
Title: The leading GE / GM (genetically engineered / genetically modified) TNC's (TransNational Corp's.)are ALSO...The leading manufacturers of POISONSmany of them are ALSOfirms which have very deep roots into the fascist NAZI Germany and world wars.Dave Hartleyhttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.ioa.com/~daveharthttp://www.asheville-computer.com/homeopathy/ BACK -- Who's Who In The Poison "Industry"By Steve Tvedten Robert Louis Stevenson once noted: "The cruelest lies are often told in silence." Arabian Proverb He who knows not and knows not that he knows not He is a fool - shun him; He who knows not and knows he knows not, He is simple - teach him; He who knows and knows not he knows, He is asleep - wake him; He who knows and knows he knows, He is wise; follow him My mother always used to say "If you want a helping hand - you will find one at the end of each of your arms." If you want to protect yourself - you must look to yourself - not to the poison "industry' or the "regulators" to "protect" you. CHAPTER 14 WHO IS WHO IN THE POISON "INDUSTRY" - with malice aforethought... By Steve Tvedten "They (corporations) cannot commit treason, nor be outlawed, nor be excommunicate - for they have no souls" - Sir Edward Coke, Case of Sutton's Hospital "A nation that is afraid to let its people judge truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people" - John F. Kennedy First of all - volatile, synthetic pesticide poisons are the largest group of poisonous substances purposefully being added or disseminated throughout our environment. All of the major poison producers are in the "health"/ pharmaceutical business too - so as you become poisoned/polluted and sicken and begin to die from their allopathic poisons - they will sell you allopathic drugs to "survive". These people are not "guardians" of the environment. They are the destroyers of the environment - they are not in the "chemical or health" industry - they are in the death or poison "industry"! Between 1989 and 1995 the poison "industry" poured $20 million dollars into Congressional campaigns - please read Toxic Deception: How the Chemical Industry Manipulates Science, Bends the Law, and Endangers Your Health. The truth is simply not in these producers of poison; when I started in pest control 30 years ago, Velsicol, the producer of the cancer-causing chemical chlordane/heptachlor, ran advertisements - stating these poisons were so safe you did not need gloves or a respirator. I believed Velsicol and used their poisons and I ended up nearly dying. Even on 5/17/97 when the Velsicol Chemical Corporation finally announced it is permanently ceasing production of their cancer-causing chemicals chlordane and heptachlor and will not make its proprietary technology available to any other company for manufacture - the company still stated it's products have been used for protection! "We have always believed in the efficiency of these products, and the science that supports their continued use, but the economics no longer support continued manufacture." So, do not believe any of their lies! It is too bad you cannot put a corporation in jail or even make it (the Mamzers) tell the truth! Second - in February, 1997 I noticed a new web site by Frank Altomonte [EMAIL PROTECTED] and http://home.earthlink.net/~alto/boycott.html#international contained an interesting article by Jon Rapaport entitled: Revolt Against the Empire - Welcome to the Great Boycott. I have basically included his entire article with some other comments and additions as this chapter. We are truly facing the "Banksters" of the Evil Empire, but unless you know the names of at least some of the players you will never realize the size and scale of your real enemy. Look into the face of the beast... PANUPS noted on 4/30/97 that the top ten agrochemical companies all showed an increase in both dollar and national currency sales in
[CTRL] Jill Dando
-Caveat Lector- I was wondering if anyone has any info on BBC presenter Jill Dando's murder? I have seen nothing regarding it anywhere except for the Dianna look-alike thing and that seems strange concidering the way she went. I may have missed it all of course. Thanks Peter We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard http://sites.netscape.net/gsussnzl/homepage DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Where is Robert Rubin now?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-28 12:51:39 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Rubin] and his equally brilliant sidekick Lawrence Summers insisted that all IMF loans to Russia should be in the complete control of their good and trusted friend, Anatole Chubais, even though they had a report from the FBI as early as 1995 that Chubais was part of the Russian crime syndicates This is OLD news, evident already back in '97 -- Chubais, Berezovsky, and SOROS ... Where does the so-called "Russian mafia" end and Zionist agents of Mossad begin? (Compare the plundering of western banks by the Bronfman Mob, collecting billions in reparations "for Holocaust victims," yet the beneficiaries never get to see the money.) What are the dividing lines --if any-- between Soros, the IMF, and western intelligence, including the Rothschild-controlled Bilderbergers lurking behind the EU? And what makes the IMF billions to Russia, pocketed by the Yeltsin clan, any different from billions in US aid to the Philippines, pocketed by the Marcos family? It's how the PTB do "business." Boris will be invited to retire (at taxpayers' expense) in Hawaii DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: 30 Ships Below TWA800
THIRTY SHIPS IN OCEAN BELOW TWA FLIGHT 800 CRASH (c) 8/28/99 Ian Williams Goddard RADAR data from the NTSB pertaining to the TWA Flight 800 crash that was recently acquired by independent researchers and Insight magazine was presented yesterday at a press conference seen on C-Span and reported by UPI. The newly acquired RADAR data does these three things: (1) RADAR data supports claims of significant Navy activity close to the Flight 800 crash. The RADAR shows some 30 boats/ships within 30 miles of the crash that move around 30 knots, consistent with large Navy ships. Most of the ships move in group formation in or toward the reported-to-be active military-warning zone W-105. RADAR also reveals a plane flying above those 30 vessels that makes sharp u-turns and powerful accelerations in an odd back-and-forth flight pattern, as if engaged in some exercise. Aerospace Daily (8/28/96) reported that, while warning zone W-105 was active, Navy officials claimed "a ship never checked in to use it." Now, RADAR reveals for all to see that many Navy-ship-like vessels did in fact occupy the warning zone. Not only should no non-military vessels or aircraft be in an active warning zone, but no vessels or aircraft fit the profile of the activities revealed by the RADAR data better than military vessels and aircraft. The RADAR evidence (plus witness accounts of Navy ships) clearly indicates that the official claim that the closet Navy ship was 185 miles away from the Flight 800 crash must be a false claim. Consider further that FBI spokesman James Kallstrom admitted that some of the vessels below the Flight 800 crash were in fact "Navy vessels that were on classified maneuvers" (http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup4.htm). It seems that about 30 ships fit that profile, yet none aboard have spoken publicly about the spectacular view of the crash they could have had. The Navy also had a wargame called "Global Yankee '96" scheduled in the area at the time (http://multipull.com/twacasefile/newsfour.html), and yet the official Navy claim remains that the closet Navy ship to the crash was 185 miles away. FIRO Report: http://flight800.org/flotilla.htm (2) The RADAR data refutes the claim made by the CIA and the NTSB that the plane climbed sharply after the initial event, looking like a rocket to witnesses. This is because the RADAR data shows that the ground-speed of the main fuselage sharply INCREASED after the initial event, where as, due to gravity, the ground-speed of the jet would DECREASE if it starting climbing as the CIA claimed. So the RADAR data is in conflict with the official scenario. At the following webpage you can see this in a report written by Tom Stalcup, Research Assistant and doctoral candidate in Physics at Florida State University and head of FIRO (Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization): http://flight800.org/radar3.htm (3) The RADAR data proves that significant evidence about activity around Flight 800 was withheld from the public and was released only after the efforts of independent researchers. It also draws into question how the CIA and NTSB could produce the crash-trajectory simulations that they did with the RADAR data that they had. You can even see the significant discrepancy between primary RADAR returns for the main fuselage and the NTSB simulations shown side-by-side in NTSB Exhibit 22C, pages 17 and 23: http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/ex_22C.pdf _ INSIGHT: "New Radar Data, New Questions" 9/20/99: http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story4.html UPI: "Group has new look at TWA 800 crash" (8/27/99): http://news.excitecom/news/u/990827/17/politics-twa800 GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm
[CTRL] Corporate Mysticism
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/kurtz_19_3.html Confronting the "Corporate Mystique" by Paul Kurtz The following article is from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 19, Number 3. In the Fall 1998 issue of Free Inquiry, and in subsequent editorials, I recommended that we form a neohumanist coalition. I suggested that the secular humanist movement take a new turn, that it crystallize a neohumanist point of view in politics and make its views known to the broader public. [1] These editorials elicited a great number of letters from our readers, many warmly supportive of this position, some indignantly against it. It is clear that one can be a secular humanist and not accept the social-political agenda that I propose below. It is apparent that from belief in God, one can be a monarchist, slaveholder, authoritarian, totalitarian, libertarian, conservative, liberal, or social democrat. Theists have espoused all of the above positions and more historically. Similarly, one can be an agnostic or atheist and vote Republican or Democrat, Libertarian or Socialist, Green Party, left-wing or right-wing. There is no necessary connection between being a theist or nontheist and supporting a specific political party. The same thing is not necessarily true, however, of modern secular humanism; for although secular humanists are skeptical about theism, humanism involves a distinct set of ethical principles that put it into opposition to certain political ideologies. Humanists have held that each individual has inherent dignity and value - or at least ought to be so treated. Humanist ethics concentrates on the individual, and the actualization of his or her highest values, but it is also concerned with the social good, and this implies that it is essential to develop just societies that will maximize both individual happiness and social well-being under conditions of fairness and equity. As a consequence, contemporary humanists generally have maintained that the best way to realize happiness is by means of free, open, and democratic societies (I have in mind here John Dewey, Karl Popper, Sidney Hook, Bertrand Russell, etc.); and they have been foes of repressive institutions, whether political, ecclesiastical, or economic. Humanists thus have fought for human rights as essential safeguards of democracy. They have defended freedom on many fronts - free thought and free inquiry and some degree of moral and sexual freedom. And they have defended also the democratic principle of equality; for example, equality before the law, equal opportunity, etc.. Some humanists have argued that humanism also entails some measure of economic freedom - though the degree of regulation of free markets is open to serious debate. The humanist battle historically was against the Church and its repressive institutions, and also against authoritarian governments and totalitarian states. Today, I submit, a new battle for freedom is emerging, i.e., the battle to be liberated from "the corporate mystique" that now dominates the United States and other economies of the free world. [2] I realize that to say this is akin to a sacrilege, for the corporate mystique is almost never questioned. Indeed, the corporate mystique assumes the characteristics of a sacred religion. Powerful corporations now dominate our culture; they are largely unchallenged and are given free rein to do what they want. Any effort to restrain corporate power is today virtually nonexistent. At the beginning of the twentieth century there was a popular outcry against the excessive power of trusts and monopolies, and the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was enacted. This effort has largely been muted in the United States, where merger mania reigns supreme. Interestingly, mergers and acquisitions have flourished under both Democratic and Republican administrations. The Microsoft and Intel cases are exceptions, for very few corporate conglomerates in recent years have been challenged by the government. Corporate-merger mania now is also rampant in Europe and other parts of the world, though not on the same scale as in the United States. We are all familiar with the Marxist challenge that confronted capitalism for almost a century. Nationalization of major industries in so-called socialist countries was offered as a panacea. This has been discredited. Communism could neither deliver the goods nor feed its people. Moreover, it denied them democracy and cultural freedom. As a result, the free-market ideology now reigns supreme. The libertarian view is that free markets should be left unregulated; for these are the best engines for economic growth. The free-market libertarian believes that this will in the long run maximize the happiness of society. Even
Re: [CTRL] British Intelligence and the internet
-Caveat Lector- Hi Kathleen, I've done that now and it seems to have fixed the problem. But a partial recovery showed up the fact it was still on. They did a followup trick by ringing for a survey after. Hello This is Xtra we are doing a survey to ask what you think of our engineers. I said - Sorry not with Xtra now. The woman was quite surprised and didn't know what to say. I guess the damaging conversation was recorded. They are fond of using telephone and doorknocking surveys to find out your business and have a little look around the house, if you let them in. I know they disguise themselves as Mormons too. Suppose they could plant a bug.I know for a fact there are 4 old ladies who work for the intelligence here and they go to community houses etc and seek out those who may be stopping the lies. They can see what's on your computer from outside your house. Also I have heard they can pass energy through your TV antenna to make you sick. Not to mention use microwaves beamed from a car outside to cook you inside the house. John Quinn of Newshawk is being stopped from sending his emails out. 2/3 don't reach the destination. I'll see if someone has posted his latest. He had to ask for a receipt. Nicky K wrote: -Caveat Lector- But when I had a computer crash at the end of the year and did a partial recovery my Netscape got munted and guess what came through Xtra's dates in the prog files. As I only got the new Netscape in May. They must have made it so the top of it comes off and the original remains burned in. Have you tried backing up your critical data and reformatting your hard drive? That ought to work. Kathleen Resistance Is Useless! (If 1 ohm) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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[CTRL] [Fwd: Massive Email Interference]
-Caveat Lector- hawk wrote: 8.28.99 Massive Email Interference Directed at NewsHawk Dear Recipients-- We have become aware that a great percentage of our email recipients are NOT receiving our emails at this point. Apparently frustrated in their relentless attempts to disable our capability of sending our news articles and bulletins via email, fed spook-miesters and goons have taken to intercepting and diverting our email sent to a large number of our addressees. We KNOW this to be true through variety of means; including sending emails to individuals we are in contact with in other ways who so inform us as well as sending emails with return receipts. Over TWO THIRDS of our recipients are NOT RECEIVING OUR MESSAGES. To make things more complicated it's not always the same recipients being interfered with. Sometimes certain people DO get our emails; other times these same people do NOT. Also subject matter appears to be a factor. In particular information we send critical of the shrub family uh make that the Bush family, seems to draw the most interference. We beg the pardon of our recipients, but due to this fact but we feel it worthwhile to re-send some of our recent emails. To those who are about to receive duplicate emailings, we DEEPLY apologize. We KNOW how irritating this can be. However in light of the fact of the truly extraordinary level of harassment NewsHawk is now experiencing we beg you to bear with us through this latest craziness. (BTW, WE have changed our contact email on this message!) If you have previously gotten any of the messages to follow, please just delete and move on. We have reason to believe that this harassment will tail off pretty soon. Call it a form a full moon lunacy from a bunch of diseased and rabid RATS who are in a total panic because the their ship is SINKING--and FAST. SO again, we APOLOGIZE to those who are about to receive duplicate emails, but for the sake of those who have NOT received some highly important information we feel this is necessary. Just use that delete key whenever you need to! Thanks and much appreciation, apologies where needed, etc. Best wishes, John Quinn and Bob Anderson/NewsHawk Inc. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Scientists say God .....Exists
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-08-28 16:01:24 EDT, you write: In a message dated 8/28/99 1:02:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Abiogenesis has been observed - why invoke god(s)? I'd sure like to know when this has been observed. Did some scientists create life sometime, out of nonliving matter. That would be major news after all. I'm not talking about self replicating chemicals, I'm talking about lifeforms, created. There is a Quantum leap from self replicating chemical compounds and life in my view. When was life created from nonliving matter? Abiogenesis (living units produced from non-living materials) was explored in 1953 in an experiment by Stanley Miller and Harold Urey. They mixed water vapor, methane, ammonia, and hydrogen gas in a reacting chamber with electrodes and a heat source. Within a week, the mixture contained amino acids and other components of living cells. Other experiments have produced ATP and the bases of DNA and RNA. If these compounds could be encapsulated in some sort of semipermeable membrane, it is conceivable that a proto-cell could possibly develope. To my knowledge, this has never been demonstrated. This is not living organisms being created from non-living materials. Regards, Bob Stokes DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Corporate Mysticism
-Caveat Lector- John Dewey and Bertrand Russell "foes of repressive insitutions'? Where did you find that canard ? read the history of Hegelian thought my friend.. ASU DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: Most of this is true but bombs NOT Confirmed: TERRORISM, NEUTRONBOMBS, RED-LIST]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (sent to USCMike1's 32,336+ readers - please repost to your own mailing lists and newsgroups - thanks) Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al: The information contained below has been circulating for quite a while but, now the timing is getting much closer. Everything mentioned below is the actual plans of the New World Order elite illuminati, only the actual time and date is still up in the air. Like I said, EVERYTHING below is TRUE and are the actual plans of the NWO bosses EXCEPT I have had NO confirmation on the Neutron Bombs aspect of the post. Probably, most of the URGENT fearmongering is just a trial balloon or a test to see how the public will react. If we just pass it off they definitely WILL proceed as they planned. If we strongly resist them they will back off for a while as that is what they have done in the past. The detonation of even ONE neutron bomb on U.S. soil is just too incredible to believe - AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME - although I would NOT put it past the NWO enslavers to attempt doing just that at some future date. Remember, NOTHING happens by chance and the NWO illuminati elites have been planning all of what has happened to our nation for a minimum of two years before we signed the original Declaration of Independence from King George the Third. Only NOW we are dealing with King Clinton the Corrupt and he is 100 times worse than King George. Please understand what I am saying: Everything listed below either IS or WILL BE true in the very near future. The part I am having a difficult time accepting and confirming at this particular time is the detonation of one (much less several) neutron bombs within the next two weeks. The NWO illuminati will try to scare us into submission without them having to fire even one shot. They do and will use deception to win their battles. Ever notice how much, if not MOST, of everything we hear, see,and experience from our federal government is lies and deceptions??? Now, if somebody (doesn't matter really who) actually DOES detonate neutron bombs in the coastal cities, as stated below, then you in all probability will NOT receive any more posts from me, [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I live in downtown Los Angeles. However, after having studied how our evil federal, state, county, city, etc., governments ands law enforcement officers operate, I feel that there is the majority of a chance that it is just another deceptive scare tactic to beat WE the PEOPLE into subservient submission without a fight on the part of the government. The government does NOT OWN our nation NOR WE the People, we Hired them (for very high pay) to be OUR servants. It is unfortunate that we must now eliminate most, if not ALL, of them before they destroy our nation and most of us in it. My educated and faithful guess is that there will be NO NEUTRON BOMBS detonated ANYWHERE (although I could be proven wrong by just one triggered device). But, we cannot just sit here and allow the NWO elite's plans to be carried forward. I feel that we have at least 4 to 6 months before anything major and all pervasive as all that is perpetrated against us. And hopefully that they (modern-day NWO illuminati) will not attempt anything grand until 10 to 18 months down the road . . . enough time for us to prepare for survival and for those brave and hardy souls, to pre-empt them and take our nation back. Please read the bottom summarized posts very carefully and if you have any questions please contact the original senders or me and I will try to fill in the details for you. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY ALL TRUE as far as their plans are concerned. Just the timing MAY (hopefully) be off. Your Born Again Christian Brother in Christ, USCMike1 PS: Just in case the feds plan on using nearly undetectable microwave weapons against us, I have now designed and am in the construction phase of the detectors of lethal microwave energy indicators. If you wear these and see the little light flash on or stay on continuously, you are being irradiated with a tremendously intense beam of microwave energy and you will fry and be cooked from the inside of your body in a matter of minutes and have only a few seconds to duck and get out of the way and hide behind something metal (like carry aluminum foil or an aluminized mylar plastic sheet or emergency "space" blanket with you at all times) before your brain is fried or it causes your heart or brain to explode internally in a massive aneurism (exploded blood vessel). The very least that could happen is that they (NWO illuminati) can cause a massive heart attack or brain stroke within a few seconds unless you can jump out of the way quickly enough. I have designed these microwave detection devices for the ladies and they can wear them as earrings (pierced, clipped, or screw post) and/or as
[CTRL] 30 Ships Below TWA800
-Caveat Lector- From: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: New Paradigms Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Rare/Out-of-Print Book Searches - Ruling Class/Conspiracy Experts: E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** END -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 6:47 PM Subject: 30 Ships Below TWA800 THIRTY SHIPS IN OCEAN BELOW TWA FLIGHT 800 CRASH (c) 8/28/99 Ian Williams Goddard RADAR data from the NTSB pertaining to the TWA Flight 800 crash that was recently acquired by independent researchers and Insight magazine was presented yesterday at a press conference seen on C-Span and reported by UPI. The newly acquired RADAR data does these three things: (1) RADAR data supports claims of significant Navy activity close to the Flight 800 crash. The RADAR shows some 30 boats/ships within 30 miles of the crash that move around 30 knots, consistent with large Navy ships. Most of the ships move in group formation in or toward the reported-to-be active military-warning zone W-105. RADAR also reveals a plane flying above those 30 vessels that makes sharp u-turns and powerful accelerations in an odd back-and-forth flight pattern, as if engaged in some exercise. Aerospace Daily (8/28/96) reported that, while warning zone W-105 was active, Navy officials claimed "a ship never checked in to use it." Now, RADAR reveals for all to see that many Navy-ship-like vessels did in fact occupy the warning zone. Not only should no non-military vessels or aircraft be in an active warning zone, but no vessels or aircraft fit the profile of the activities revealed by the RADAR data better than military vessels and aircraft. The RADAR evidence (plus witness accounts of Navy ships) clearly indicates that the official claim that the closet Navy ship was 185 miles away from the Flight 800 crash must be a false claim. Consider further that FBI spokesman James Kallstrom admitted that some of the vessels below the Flight 800 crash were in fact "Navy vessels that were on classified maneuvers" (http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup4.htm). It seems that about 30 ships fit that profile, yet none aboard have spoken publicly about the spectacular view of the crash they could have had. The Navy also had a wargame called "Global Yankee '96" scheduled in the area at the time (http://multipull.com/twacasefile/newsfour.html), and yet the official Navy claim remains that the closet Navy ship to the crash was 185 miles away. FIRO Report: http://flight800.org/flotilla.htm (2) The RADAR data refutes the claim made by the CIA and the NTSB that the plane climbed sharply after the initial event, looking like a rocket to witnesses. This is because the RADAR data shows that the ground-speed of the main fuselage sharply INCREASED after the initial event, where as, due to gravity, the ground-speed of the jet would DECREASE if it starting climbing as the CIA claimed. So the RADAR data is in conflict with the official scenario. At the following webpage you can see this in a report written by Tom Stalcup, Research Assistant and doctoral candidate in Physics at Florida State University and head of FIRO (Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization): http://flight800.org/radar3.htm (3) The RADAR data proves that significant evidence about activity around Flight 800 was withheld from the public and was released only after the efforts of independent researchers. It also draws into question how the CIA and NTSB could produce the crash-trajectory simulations that they did with the RADAR data that they had. You can even see the significant discrepancy between primary RADAR returns for the main fuselage and the NTSB simulations shown side-by-side in NTSB Exhibit 22C, pages 17 and 23: http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/ex_22C.pdf _ INSIGHT: "New Radar Data, New Questions" 9/20/99: http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story4.html UPI: "Group has new look at TWA 800 crash" (8/27/99): http://news.excite.com/news/u/990827/17/politics-twa800 GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm A Growing Selection of A-albionic's Books Can Be Browsed and Purchased Conveniently in the Shopping Cart at http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html END *** Lloyd Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273, Ferndale, MI 48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource for the entire political-ideological spectrum. Quarterly journal, book
[CTRL] Human Engineered Earthquakes
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Erol Erkmen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TUVPO" [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:IMAGES: Human Engineered Earthquakes Date sent: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:21:23 +0300 Organization: tuvpo Human Engineered Earthquakes by Ray Bilger Let's now explore what has been, and what is being done in the area of geophysical manipulations. The primary focus here will be human-induced earthquakes, as this is a main area of Elite interest. This is, of course, because earthquakes are so profound and have the most dramatic effects for purposes of controlling populations. Most people may never comprehend the fact that human beings have the capability to produce such things, or that humans would ever do such things to each other. So, when an earthquake occurs, very few would ever even think of asking, "Was that natural or man-made?" Actually, now that we have progressed into a higher level of activity with respect to Earth Changes, it becomes increasingly more difficult to know which is which. In some places the ground seems to be shaking all the time! As you will recall, in Part V of this series, we mentioned Nicola Tesla's 'Controlled Earthquakes of 1935,' labelled by Tesla as "the art of telegeodynamics." Tesla was able to cause "rhythmical vibrations to pass through the Earth with almost no loss of energy," and he could "convey these mechanical effects to the greatest terrestrial distances and produce all kinds of unique effects." The author has little information on developments over the forty years following 1935, yet something must have been happening because, as mentioned in Part IX of this series, a Senate sub-committee hearing, chaired by Senator Claiborne Pell, stated that: "We need a treaty now...before the military leaders of the world start directing storms, manipulating climates and inducing earthquakes against their enemies." Senator Pell would not have spoken these words in 1975 about inducing earthquakes unless he had some knowledge that such technology existed. Also, reported in Part IX of this series, on December 10, 1976, the General Assembly of the United Nations approved the 'Convention of the Prohibition of Military or any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques,' and issued a report. Again, such a report would not have been issued if there were not technology in place capable of environmental modification, including the ability to induce earthquakes. The June 5, 1977, New York Times described the great earthquake which destroyed Tangshan, China on July 28, 1976, and killed over 650,000 people. Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball. Some investigators believe these electrical effects were associated with electromagnetic plasma and ball lightning and the strange array of flashes which result from Tesla-style technology and /or HAARP-like transmissions. Was this brilliant flash of colored light what Tesla was talking about in 1935 when he mentioned "all kinds of unique effectsý"? Was this earthquake just a test of the system, conducted on the unsuspecting people of China? It certainly does not appear that it was a natural earthquake. In January of 1978, Dr. Andrija Puharich, MD, LL.D, issued a detailed research paper entitled 'Global Magnetic Warfare - A Layman's View of Certain Artificially Induced Unusual Effects on The Planet Earth During 1976 and 1977.' In his paper, Dr. Puharich stated, "Of the many great earthquakes of 1976, there is one that demands special attention - the July 28, 1976 Tangshan, China earthquake." The January 1978 edition of Specula magazine ran an article which described an incredibly profound phenomenon that could be produced within the Earth by what is called the 'Tesla Effect.' According to the article, electromagnetic signals of certain frequencies can be transmitted through the Earth to form standing waves in the Earth itself. In certain cases, coherence to this standing wave can be induced wherein a fraction of the vast, surging electromagnetic current of the Earth itself feeds into and augments the induced standing wave. In other words, "much more energy is now present in the standing wave that the ...amount being fed in from the Earth's surface." By interferometer techniques, giant standing waves can be combined to produce a focused beam of very great energy. This can the be used to produce earthquakes induced at distant aiming points. It might be good to go back and re-read the above paragraph a couple of times. This is one of the things which greatly concerned Mr. Tesla, because this is exactly the type of thing that could easily get out of control once it begins vibrating within the Earth and
[CTRL] TRR AN OPEN LETTER TO BILL GATES
-Caveat Lector- The Reptile Report #082899 AN OPEN LETTER TO BILL GATES Microsoft Chairman Gives Six Billion Dollars to Foundation, the Largest Charitable Gift Ever; Two Charities to Become One: 'Bill Melinda Gates Foundation' Newsweek: (August 22, 1999) Bill Just Wants To Have Fun: How Kids, Charity and a Knockdown Trial have changed the Worlds Richest Man. Newsweek: (August 30, 1999) Yo Bill of Microsoft, or should I say Joseph of Egypt (one of the earliest models of a Jewmobile, built by Jacob (aka Israel) and powered by the lord (aka Satan). I read a Newsweek article that youre giving away money these days. WHAT??? I said in utter disbelief as I ROARED with laughter, BILL GATES GIVING AWAY MONEY? Chuckling and smirking, I answered my own question, Nah, I said to me, never happen. The camel would have to get through the eye of a needle first. (Now Bill, dont go off trying to cheat God again by extracting a fertilized egg from a fully grown camel and shooting it through the eye of a needle. God knows you and your tricks. God already CREATED the Universes smallest needle just for you. Just try to get a fertilized camels egg through THAT EYE, that is, if you can find The Needle. ) Now lets get really serious. Of course you know that I know this money giveaway is strictly for the hoipolloi. We both know what happens to THE root of all evil when it comes anywhere near the Spawn of Jacob. Here, Ill illustrate. With a knife in your hand, creep stealthily up behind an unsuspecting Goy. Place the knife carefully between the Goys shoulder blades and push hard. When the Goy is on the floor, rapidly becoming koshered, ransack the Goys pockets and remove all valuables. Place the valuables in your right pants pocket and slip away. Proceed on to another Goy and repeat. And repeat and repeat and repeat until your pocket is so full that you cannot hide the bulge. Then announce to the world that the bulge in your pocket is so big because youre such a talented boy genius (aka wise guy). Loudly proclaim that you intend to give your bulge to charity. Take the bulge out of your right pants pocket and transfer it to your left pants pocket. Label that pocket CHARITY. Have I missed anything? (Pt...Bill. Do you really think youre fooling anyone by appointing your daddy as the boss of the left hand pocket? Even Goyim arent that stupid!) So Joseph...er, I mean Bill, if you meant to impress me with this slight-of-hand six billion dollar tricky dicky, Im not impressed, not in the least. The only way you could impress me is if you gave everything back to the Goyim you stole it from and made amends for all the hardships and suffering you have caused by your actions. Think about how many kids (aka Goyim animals) have had to DO WITHOUT so that you could make that bulge in your pants pocket so big. BTW the six billion has that old familiar ring to it. Fits as snug as a bug in a rug with the other infamous six million. You guys sure love those sick sic sixes, doncha? Notes to the hoipolloi: The Zionists (like the Nazirites) are dedicated. They are Hyksos, the shepherd kings. They herd Humanity. Their goal, from the beginning, has been the enslavement (aka destruction) of all who are not of them. They really cant help themselves. It comes packaged with ritual circumcision. They eat, sleep and breathe world domination from babyhood. They just dont know no better. Its also a secret whose time is up! According to ... the little jew who wrote the Bible There'll be the breaking of the ancient western code --Leonard Cohen The Future The Future Every Zionist (aka Talmudite BIGOT) around you MUST report on you. If your lawyer is a Zionist that lawyer MUST report your business to fellow Zionists. If your psychiatrist is a Zionist that psychiatrist MUST report your most personal business to fellow Zionists. If your housekeeper, manager, accountant or secretary is a Zionist they MUST report your business. You must think of them as spies belonging to an invading army; an alien force, out to conquer you and yours. All the rules of war apply. These aliens consider themselves, in relationship to you, in the same light as you relate to your dog. If your dog is a guard dog you pay him/her with food, shelter and whatever else you deem necessary. If you are a good master you love your dog and appreciate him/her. You show your love by tending to his/her needs and by treating him/her kindly. Your dog is part of your family. You understand your dog and guard him/her from harm. You know that your dog is unique and cannot be replaced easily. You treasure your dog and behave accordingly. If you are a bad master you do everything opposite. You exploit your dog and give him/her only enough to squeeze another days work out of him/her. You have no loyalty or compassion for this animal because you do not recognize that an animal has feelings. You neglect everything
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Friday #3
-Caveat Lector- Nobody would want to consume human meats with AIDS in 'em -- RE: "Reptoids Like Human AIDS meats" -- etc. Use your head. Judith DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Burnt Velveeta Sandwhich
-Caveat Lector- All due respect and with the greatest admiration, Kris, occasionally your emails engender in me a special liking and concern. This one does. Besides being an off and on again Velvetta lover, and a white meat eater, at the risk of being personal, what do you look like and really do in your spare time? My best, Judith DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Feminization of the Military
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Bill Richer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 2:51 PM Subject: The Feminization of the U.S. Military... ~ The Feminization of the U.S. Military... August 11, 1999 -- Phyllis Schlafly SNIP The most serious problems are the feminization of the military and U.S. involvement in foreign conflicts that bear no relation to American national security. Other morale-lowering problems are the court-martialling of honorable servicemen for such offenses as refusing to wear a United Nations uniform and refusing to be "shot" with the experimental, controversial anthrax vaccine. As a veteran, it kind of pains me to say this - but this is great news! Since the probable future role of the US Military will be to oppress AmericanCitizens and attack small nations and bomb civilians, I am pleased to read about the "feminization" and "morale lowering"of the military. I hope "feminization" continues full speed ahead. flw DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] WHEN YOU ARE HANDED LEMONS, MAKE LEMONADE
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To My Wonderful Rumor Mill News Readers I want to thank all of you who have taken the time to write. You letters and phone calls have been wonderful. At the end of this brief note, I have pasted in some of the great replies I have received. You are the greatest Everything happenes for a reason. While I have no idea why... after four years of writing the Rumor Mill, I have come under attack... but maybe some good will come out of it. The first thing that has happened is General Mills will soon be joining Rumor Mill News again, and one of the other Roo Mills will be adding things from time to time. You see, when the Rumor Mill started, there were many Ru Mills... we all spelled the name differently and some of us were men, like Ruport Mills. Because I seem to have gotten myself in quite a pickle because of something I wrote, General MIlls and his Ru brigade are coming to my rescue. You will soon be getting updates and posts from the General. Some of the posts will be from me, but others will be from the other Rue's and Roo's and Ruhe's and Sister Ru's who used to work with Rumor Mill News when it was a print magazine. No one really knows what it was the upset the powers that be. I have three stories that are extremely important right now. 1. The Wilcher Report regarding the truth about Waco. Unless the entire mind control operation that was based in Waco from the early 50's is exposed, the Waco investigations will just be a white wash. But can you imagine our government admitting that we have mind controlled Manchurian Candidates just waiting to be activated so they can kill a chosen target? 2. I have information regarding a new faction on the block. They call themselves Faction 3. I used to refer to them as the Rogues. For a long time I thought they were the worst of the bunch... but after publishing a piece in the 1996 Rumor Mill News which put them down, I received a letter from one of my Sources. He told me that all operatives would rather go out on a mission with one of the Rogues than an operatives from either Faction One or Faction Two. For those who have recently joined RMNews, Faction One of the INtelligence Community is allied with the New World Order. They came out of the East Coast Elite who created the Federal Reserve. Faction Two is the opposition to the New World Order. They came out of the German Abwehr which was the group that was behind the attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler. When you understand how the New World Order controlled HItler, you will understand how and why the Abwehr tried to end the war by assassinating Hitler. My source told me that the Rogues refuse to align themselves with either of the two factions because they are Americans first and believe in our Constitution. My Source also told me that a Rogue would lay down his life for you. If you were on a mission together, you would never be left behind. You would be brought back even if it meant the Rogue had to sacrifice his life for you. My Source had been saved many times by Rogues. I was used to the conventional definition of the word rogue, and so I thought the rogues were "bad guys". My Source set me straight. I hope the misinformation regarding Faction Three, that is being put out on the Internet by inexperienced investigators who think they understand everything there is to know about the intelligence world, because they write an online newsletter, will now be corrected. 3. The final thing that could have gotten me in trouble with someone is my threee hour lecture on the death of JFK, Jr. It is titled Web of Lies It is called that because the Internet is a Web of Lies regarding the death of this young man. Maybe someone doesn't want any of you to have this information. When my computers were sabotaged, I lost all my files. Most of them I did not have backed up. This included the book I was writing on the Death of JFK, Jr. The only thing I have left is the lecture. Fortunately, it has already been distributed fairly widely. In other words, there are many copies of it around the country. Many people have already listened to it. The information is out there. The story I have WILL be told. At the moment I am using a machine that belongs to a friend. It is a dinosaur that takes two full minutes to open each e-mail. I can't get on the Web using this machine. I have had several people write and ask to be removed from the RuMills onelist. If you are one of these people, go to www.onelist.comput in RuMills in the search and remove yourself. That's how easy it is. Also, if you are one of the people who asked to be added to the list go to the same address: www.onelist.com and pull up RuMills and add yourself. I lost my "add subscribers" file when the computer crashed. So if you know someone who had asked to be added to my list, please tell them how to add themselves.. Thank you. Many people have given suggestions for how to use my website to make enough
Re: [CTRL] Anthony Sutton White House blamed for secret unit at Waco
-Caveat Lector- Howdy Tony, Well, ya'll, I like to introduce you to a courageous gentleman, Anthony Sutton. Author of America's Secret Establishment and over 20 other books. The worlds dean of research into Skull and Bones and other nefarious doings. Tony has been on ctrl for awhile, there a few other authors, who shall stay anonymous, until they choose to reveal themselves. Tony has been popping up and I felt it as my duty to publicly welcome him and to make a couple of announcements. Welcome and thank-you.God Bless. I, for one, truly appreciate your peserverance and work. Amen. 1. Liberty House Press, Tony's publisher has changed their address. They were getting flack about using their street address and just went to a PO Box. The new address is PO box 80650, Billings MT 59108-08650. They have for sale Anthony's books ; America's Secret Establishment and Best enemy Money Can By. If you haven't read these, you haven't read anything. 2. Anthony Sutton currently has a newsletter concerning technolgy. FUTURE TECHNOLOGY INTELLIGENCE REPORT MONTHLY, 12 ISSUES, $65.00 A YEAR. INVESTMENT SUPPLEMENT (to FTIR). Available only to FTIR subsribers. Monthly, 12 issues, $100.00 a year. COLD FUSION: SECRET ENERGY REVOLUTION by ANTONY C. SUTTON. $30.00 POSTPAID MAIL TO P.O. BOX 2903, Sacramento, CA 95812. No credit cards please. FTIR. P.0. BOX 163477. FORT SUTTER STATION, SACRAMENTO, CA 95816-3477 In a message dated 8/27/99 1:05:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How long have you been around? It COULD be Chinese disinformation, but I doubt it.. On the other hand the Government does so many stupid things its hard to avoid the idea of conspriacy. Example: Washington built up the USSR with "trade" and technology. Catalogued in my book BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY. in 1972. Instead of thanks for the work I got insults,harassment, threats and finally kicked out of Stanford. Now Washington wants to build up China with technology,same policy that was behind the Cold War. You can call it greed, conspiracy, stupidity Or a mix of all these things...Most likely is corporate self interest facilitated by access money. To be sure one can take conspiracy too far...and Waco to me seems no more than a police state gone crazy I am moving to the conclusion-after 50 years of research- that the system is corrupt and the most corrupt float to the top Simple as that... It could be that Waco revival is deception.that means that Clinton and Bush are in collusion. If you know whats coming down the road in the CIA/COCAINE/ MENA/BUSH mess certainly it points to collusion...but only on this one topic The simple fact of greed and the need to cover past sins explains an awful lot.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End Kris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Burnt Velveeta Sandwhich
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 8/28/99 6:33:50 PM, you wrote: All due respect and with the greatest admiration, Kris, occasionally your emails engender in me a special liking and concern. This one does. Besides being an off and on again Velvetta lover, and a white meat eater, at the risk of being personal, what do you look like and really do in your spare time? My best, Judith well, if I had any spare time I might go bowling and I look like . . . someday I send ya'll a pix of the black sheep in my family. It can't happen here . . . Frank Zappa. Om k DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [prj] Fw: 30 Ships Below TWA800]
-Caveat Lector- Lloyd Miller wrote: Free Rare/Out-of-Print Book Searches - Ruling Class/Conspiracy Experts: E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** END -Original Message- From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 6:47 PM Subject: 30 Ships Below TWA800 THIRTY SHIPS IN OCEAN BELOW TWA FLIGHT 800 CRASH (c) 8/28/99 Ian Williams Goddard RADAR data from the NTSB pertaining to the TWA Flight 800 crash that was recently acquired by independent researchers and Insight magazine was presented yesterday at a press conference seen on C-Span and reported by UPI. The newly acquired RADAR data does these three things: (1) RADAR data supports claims of significant Navy activity close to the Flight 800 crash. The RADAR shows some 30 boats/ships within 30 miles of the crash that move around 30 knots, consistent with large Navy ships. Most of the ships move in group formation in or toward the reported-to-be active military-warning zone W-105. RADAR also reveals a plane flying above those 30 vessels that makes sharp u-turns and powerful accelerations in an odd back-and-forth flight pattern, as if engaged in some exercise. Aerospace Daily (8/28/96) reported that, while warning zone W-105 was active, Navy officials claimed "a ship never checked in to use it." Now, RADAR reveals for all to see that many Navy-ship-like vessels did in fact occupy the warning zone. Not only should no non-military vessels or aircraft be in an active warning zone, but no vessels or aircraft fit the profile of the activities revealed by the RADAR data better than military vessels and aircraft. The RADAR evidence (plus witness accounts of Navy ships) clearly indicates that the official claim that the closet Navy ship was 185 miles away from the Flight 800 crash must be a false claim. Consider further that FBI spokesman James Kallstrom admitted that some of the vessels below the Flight 800 crash were in fact "Navy vessels that were on classified maneuvers" (http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup4.htm). It seems that about 30 ships fit that profile, yet none aboard have spoken publicly about the spectacular view of the crash they could have had. The Navy also had a wargame called "Global Yankee '96" scheduled in the area at the time (http://multipull.com/twacasefile/newsfour.html), and yet the official Navy claim remains that the closet Navy ship to the crash was 185 miles away. FIRO Report: http://flight800.org/flotilla.htm (2) The RADAR data refutes the claim made by the CIA and the NTSB that the plane climbed sharply after the initial event, looking like a rocket to witnesses. This is because the RADAR data shows that the ground-speed of the main fuselage sharply INCREASED after the initial event, where as, due to gravity, the ground-speed of the jet would DECREASE if it starting climbing as the CIA claimed. So the RADAR data is in conflict with the official scenario. At the following webpage you can see this in a report written by Tom Stalcup, Research Assistant and doctoral candidate in Physics at Florida State University and head of FIRO (Flight 800 Independent Researchers Organization): http://flight800.org/radar3.htm (3) The RADAR data proves that significant evidence about activity around Flight 800 was withheld from the public and was released only after the efforts of independent researchers. It also draws into question how the CIA and NTSB could produce the crash-trajectory simulations that they did with the RADAR data that they had. You can even see the significant discrepancy between primary RADAR returns for the main fuselage and the NTSB simulations shown side-by-side in NTSB Exhibit 22C, pages 17 and 23: http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/ex_22C.pdf _ INSIGHT: "New Radar Data, New Questions" 9/20/99: http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story4.html UPI: "Group has new look at TWA 800 crash" (8/27/99): http://news.excite.com/news/u/990827/17/politics-twa800 GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm A Growing Selection of A-albionic's Books Can Be Browsed and Purchased Conveniently in the Shopping Cart at http://a-albionic.com/shopping.html END DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with
[CTRL] AND MORE--DRUGS ARE A COVERUP: The political lessons of the Waco massacre
-Caveat Lector- It never is too late. Never. According to law enforcement authorities (in Ohio I spoke to), murder cases are at least theoretically never shut. It doesn't matter if it takes 20 years or 50, they can always be re-opened. As far as lessons, in point of fact, no -- nobody EVER gets over contorversial situations or uninvestigated murders. No. They really don't. Look at JFK -- whoa. The world has never been the same since, nor have they ever gotten over Di or Marilyn or the other 50 or more celebs the world loved. No. The NWO does NOT win in these situations. Thus, what the NWO is attempting to do now is eliminate EVERY possible icon of Americana that there exists -- celebs beware. Get OUT of the public limelight. Cause, the point as I see it with so many obvious murders since 1963, is that jealously envy are the literal bottom lines of all crime synidcates and the FEDS (FBI CIA). We are in very serious WAR society, which IS like a Gulag, eliminating every single person it can -- however clandestinely. Those who survive are those who are 1) shut up and then protected by either an Intel unit or cult (the cult stuff often costs money -- like can ruin a person financially) or crime syndicate like the Mafia (again, financial ruin for the individual), 2) belong and are liked in freemason org (like Masons, Eastern STar, Mormons, other social secretive groups), 3) those who are on the run -- living in rec vehicles and on the move consistently and even this is often not enough tho to protect them as people DO get tracked from place to place, 4) those who are owned by pimps/johns and are used by them and protected by them. What this is, is a "SEND WAR" -- in part a war about electrical frequencies -- which can effect nearly any body reaction if they are used appropriately on an individual. AND this is a mind control WAR, with the entire human public being used for experimentations. Changes in electrical magnetic energy in the atmosphere can indeed change, it appears the WHOLE of human behavior in one region or community. Hence, people will wind up in trances in public, in grocery stores, in malls, in public areas and businesses, IF someone is working a frequency assault upon that area. And how these assault occur is another whole topic, not the topic of this email. But, the fact that we are living NOW in a false society, with horrendous public assaults going on in nearly every community (war weapons are both chemical weapons and beam weapons) is simply not at issue in this author's mind. This is REAL. These assaults on innocent people are real. People are not being "allowed" to stay outside even of their homes in the U.S. The same is true for Europe (my visits there two months ago and 3 years ago) -- people are not leaving their homes, they are not living normally anywhere in Holland or in France or in England, in fact the animals aren't living normally either. I didn't see a single BIRD in Holland or the UK after visiting some six cities there. I only saw about 6 schrikes in Salebury UK. That was it. NO BIRDS. The Bronx hasn't had birds for 5 years, neither has northern NJ until this year. And FINALLY we have some sparrows and mockingbirds. This is verifiable, through videotapes and people's statements here. But, I consider this without a doubt a full-fledged WAR situation. The environments and people are frozen. So when is the public going to break loose and begin major public outcries depicting the truth WHEN Are we going to kick the whole notion of "sly" and begin talking the truth outloud? When do we start really opening this thing up? On balance, much of this scenario may really be tied to highly unusual new technologies and elements beyond public human knowledge. It really MAY have do with creatures from the deep and other control entities -- IN REALITY, we may be dealing with a real war assault from outside forces that are not now public. These appear to be the only answers to verifiable situations occurring around a great many people these days. Not a doubt that there definitely ARE (whatever you want to call em) -- highly unusual and intelligent animals including the "send fish" or "love fish" -- or slippery eels, which these POOR innocent mind control victims have been used viciously in procuring by pimps and Intel agents for decades. THIS situation probably constitutes the major portion of Intel "black projects" worldwide -- these are NOT DRUG adventures or stings. NO. These are not drug situations directly NO. These ARE situations of procurement of specialized, intelligent species which people are using to obtain favors and gifts from others through. The people who NEED to carry around these send-fishes on a daily basis are the following: 1) Intel agents who are implanted and therefore at risk for harm by those that recognize they are implanted and being used by syndicates for harvesting these animals and other
[CTRL] [Fwd: Feds can deceive you into believing your Messiah has returned!!!!!]
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (sent to USCMike1's 32,337+ readers - please repost to your own mailing lists and newsgroups - Thanks) Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al: Please read this post very carefully to see how the evil New World Order rich, elite, modern-day illuminati has developed high tech electromagnetic devices to "deceive EVEN the ELECT if that were POSSIBLE." The NWO has already perfected the capability to direct modulated microwave energy radiation at entire cities and create images inside their heads, brains and minds to deceive them into thinking that they see their Messiah return to earth and these "Messiahs" will tell, direct, control the masses of sheeple to obey their every command. That way the NWO can control every individual in the world. The deception will occur with holographic laser images projected from the heavens - satellites and from sounds, languages, and images projected into ones own brain and mind to clinch the deception. However, I have the technical drawings and plans that you can follow to protect yourself from this deception even if you are inside your home, driving in your car, or outside anywhere in the world. Other people will see their "chosen Messiahs" but you can discern the difference and can absolutely determine if it is really true or merely an electronic Mind Control deception called "Operation Blue Beam." Please contact me and I will send you the plans for protecting yourself from this Satanic intrusion into your very mind, heart, and soul. USCMike1 Thanks to A HREF="mailto:MKSBoysal"MKSBoysal/A@aol.com for forwarding this post. Subj: Blue Beam Project (must read!) Date: 8/2/99 12:35:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: A HREF="mailto:MKSBoysal"MKSBoysal/A BCC: A HREF="mailto:USCMike1"USCMike1/A Hi there everyone, This information is something to behold, I heard in past some bits and pieces but never like this regarding to this subject below, but was merely a few pieces of the puzzle. Here below you'll get the whole picture, its so fascinating. Let us remember this information that, time to come we may a have greater understanding of super natural. Not that it can't happen but we are entering a very dangerous area that man is becoming gods on earth. As has been said, "if it's too good to be true . . . .", let us watch out that it may very well be a deception. Be wise as serpents and harmless as doves... Mehmet. What is the Blue Beam Project? What is the Blue Beam Project? by David Openheimer It involves two things. A technologically simulated "second coming" and the re-emmrgence of new "MONTAUK" type projects that have the ability to take up a whole bunch of people as in a "rapture" type of situation and whisk the whole bunch into never-never land. Ironically, portions of the holographic projections have the potential for changing the planet into oneness with God. Unfortunately, this operates on the premise that Man shall somehow become God in human form and control other Men and dictate all actions and thoughts. The calculated resistance to the new religion, the New World Order and the new "Messiah" will entail human loss on a massive scale in the ensuing "holy wars".The "BLUE BEAM PROJECT" will pretend to be the universal fulfillment of the prophecies of old; as major an event as that which took place 2000 years ago. In principle, it will make use of the sky as a holographic projection screen for space-based laser-generating satellites (star wars). These projectors will project simultaneous images to the four corners of the planet, in every language by region. It deals with the religious aspect of the NEW WORLD ORDER. The "system" has already been tested. Holographic projections of the "CHRIST IMAGE" have already been seen in some remote desert areas. These have only been reported in tabloid papers, so they are instantly rendered moot. They can also project images of alien craft, aliens, monsters, angels - you name it. Computers will coordinate the satellites and software will run the show-and-tell. Hollography is based on very nearly identical signals combining to produce and image, or hologram, with depth perception. This is equally applicable to acoustic (ELF,VLF,LF) waves as it is to optical phenomena. Specifically, the "show" will consist of laser projections of multiple holographic images to different parts of the planet, each receiving different images according to the predominating regional religious faith. Not a single area will be excluded. With computer animation and sound effects appearing to come from the depths of space, astonished followers of the various creeds will witness their own returned Messiah in spectacularly convincing lifelike realness. The various images of Christ, Mohammed, Buddha, Krishna, etc., will merge into ONE after "correct explanation" of the
[CTRL] (Fwd) ZNet Commentary / Aug 29 / David Peterson / Between the
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded Message Follows --- From: "Michael Albert" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:ZNet Commentary / Aug 29 / David Peterson / Between the guns and the wall... Date sent: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:15:14 +0100 Here is today's ZNet Commentary Delivery from David Peterson. To pass this comment along to friends, relatives, etc. please note that the Commentaries are a premium sent to Sustainer Donors of Z/ZNet and that to learn more about the project folks can consult ZNet (http://www.zmag.org) and specifically the Sustainer Pages (http://www.zmag.org/Commentaries/donorform.htm) which include lists of writers, writer biographies, and other features of the Z Sustainer Program. Please do not send the pages repeatedly to the same people -- people need to become Sustainers themselves. Here then is today's ZNet Commentary... -- "BETWEEN THE GUNS AND THE WALL": EAST TIMORESE GO TO THE POLLS, TERROR THEIR RELENTLESS SHADOW By David Peterson Shortly before noon on April 6, several truckloads of the Red And White Iron militia rolled up outside a church where hundreds of people had fled seeking sanctuary. "Get out of the church!" the gun- and machete-wielding gangsters shouted. Then mayhem. The crackle of automatic weapons firing into the crowd. Cries of agony and cries of terror. And bodies falling everywhere, some hacked to pieces, some with their faces unsurgically removed. More than 50 people died that day on the church grounds. All of them murdered in plain view of military and police forces that did nothing to prevent the slaughter, but later promised to "look into it." Izbica? Bela Crvka? Racak? No. This particular "crime against humanity" did not occur in any of the Kosovo towns whose names have been etched in the official memory because the so-called international community "saw horrors reminiscent of Nazi Germany being revisited on the continent of Europe at the end of the 20th century" (Britain's Tony Blair)--and taking their cue, the Western media trained everyone's eyes there. Rather it occurred in a town few people had ever heard of before, called Liquica, in a part of the world that's as far from the U.S. media's radar screens as any place has the right to be--East Timor. Indonesia's torture of East Timor began in 1975, following the Carnation Revolution in Portugal, a leftist coup that led to the breakup of the Portuguese Empire, Angola, Mozambique, and East Timor included. Billions of dollars worth of undeveloped oil and natural gas reserves lie both on- and off-shore the half-island territory, located some 300 miles north of the Australian city of Darwin. But whereas an independent East Timor has always possessed the potential to turn into a "democratic Kuwait" or a "democratic Brunei," as the Indonesian scholar George J. Aditjondro observes, a re-conquered East Timor, subjugated by neighboring Indonesia on behalf of the international energy sector and the Western powers, gave both Indonesia and Australia the chance to capture these reserves for themselves. From the beginning, Indonesia's December 1975 invasion of East Timor was accepted and even assisted by the United States and its allies, particularly Australia. Remember: This was shortly after the United States withdrew its forces from Indochina; Washington was not about to watch another Southeast Asian territory assert its independence, no matter how small and insignificant it seemed. U.S. arms and economic aid flooded Indonesia in the late 1970s, the period when it was committing its worst atrocities against the East Timorese. Put simply, Washington liked what Suharto's fanatically anti-Communist rule meant both for Indonesia and for the larger Asian-Pacific region. As one academic treatment of the story notes, Suharto ran Indonesia more "as if it were a corporation than a nation"--and Western investors appreciated the fact. In turn, the contributions that Suharto's "New Order" made to the region's pro-Western alignment also made Suharto's own bloodshed and dictatorial rule perfectly acceptable in the West's eyes. Just as it would later provide the West with sufficient incentives to allow him to take over East Timor, and lend support to his regime whenever it floundered. Then in May 1998 Suharto suddenly fell from grace, and his regime collapsed. At the time the Indonesian economy was reeling from a financial crisis that had begun in the Thai currency markets the previous summer, later spreading to several of the more "open" Asian-Pacific economies and beyond. By March, 1998, the Indonesian rupiah had depreciated by 90 percent, as capital fled the country and its foreign reserves plummeted. With this far deeper and more serious replay of the 1994-95 Mexican Meltdown sweeping across the region, the I.M.F. offered Indonesia a $43 billion bailout package. But the I.M.F. made delivery of
Re: [CTRL] [SC] Skeptic News - Friday #3
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Judith A. Brundin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nobody would want to consume human meats with AIDS in 'em -- RE: "Reptoids Like Human AIDS meats" -- etc. Use your head. Judith Reptoids, not even being mammals, let alone primates, would be no more affected by HIV [HUMAN Immunodeficiency Virus] than humans are affected by most diseases of the creatures and plants we eat. Assuming that AIDS/HIV is engineered, and that Reptoids exist and harvest humans, it's no great stretch to posit that AIDS [and many other human diseases] were engineered by Reptoids for their benefit. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Exporting Welfare/Taxpayer Burden
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/papers/cw/index.html Note: At the site, each "vol X, no Y" is a hot linque Total Federal Corporate Welfare for Exporters, Importers, and International Investors: $32,060.4 Million Foreign Policy In Focus Corporate Welfare Package $5.00 The Foreign Policy In Focus Program has combined a series of its briefs dealing with corporate welfare and related subjects into a single package. This package provides a superior overview of how the U.S. government is subsidizing wealthy corporations at the expense of taxpayers and the social programs that will benefit all citizens. The briefs in this package are: Overseas Private Investment Corporation (vol. 4 no. 19) Export-Import Bank (vol. 4 no. 18) World Bank's Private Sector Agenda (vol. 3 no. 40) Small Arms Trade (vol. 3 no. 10) Taxing Overseas Investments (vol. 3 no. 1)Investment Funds (vol. 2 no. 44) Export Promotion Programs (vol. 2 no. 34) Warfare vs. Welfare: Subsidies to Weapons Exporters (vol. 2 no. 30) Controlling Transnational Corporations (vol. 1 no. 6) To get your Corporate Welfare Package, you may order it one of the following ways: print and fill out the standard order form (include check, money order, or credit card info) or for faster delivery, call (505) 842-8288 (credit card orders only) ~~~ Related linques http://www.feminist.org/other/budget/welfare/welfare.htm http://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html http://www.taxpayer.net/ This Common Sense Taxpayer Scorecard scores the voting records of all Members of Congress in the Second Session of the 105th Congress (1998). Upon its release October 28, 1998, this 1998 Scorecard is the most current and complete voting scorecard of any national organization promoting fiscal responsibility. It was finished 24 hours after the House and Senate approved the $500 billion spending bill. Its votes were selected from among all of those taken in the House and Senate in 1998 through adjournment. National Results An overwhelming 389 of the 535 members of the House and Senate had a taxpayer voting average of less than 50 percent. Simply put, more than two-thirds of Congress voted more than half the time against the taxpayer and for wasteful spending and fiscally irresponsibility. The national averages for the Senate and House were virtually the same -- 38 percent for all Senators and 40 percent for all Representatives. In both chambers, Democrats scored higher than Republicans -- by 49 percent to 31 percent in the House and by 43 percent to 34 percent in the Senate. Once again this year, members from both parties and with widely varying ideological philosophies scored well. This shows that the reforms scored by TCS Action can happen with bipartisan cooperation and support. http://scorecard.taxpayer.net/docs/how.cfm The Common Sense Taxpayer Scorecard offers you the ability to do much more than look up scores. The following options are available to you: Find Your Reps Enter your zip code in the space provided to find out who represents you. Your 9-digit zip code may be required to determine your exact Congressional District. From the "Zip Lookup" page you can: Email your Senators and Representative View your Representative's and Senators' Scores View Full House and View Full Senate Click on one of these buttons at the bottom of every page to view the full list of Members of the House of Representatives or Senate. Options from these pages include: Re-sort list according to Name, Score, or District View individual Members' page View by State Search by State Choose a state on the home page and click "Go" to view how all Senators and Representatives from a State scored. Options from these pages include: Re-sort list according to Name, Score, or District View individual Members' page Search by Member Name In the space provided on the home page, type in the last name of the Member whose score you'd like to view and click the "Go" button. You will receive a results page with a list of all Members' names who match your search. Options from this page include: Re-sort list according to Name, Score, or District View individual Members' page View Individual Members' page Click on a Member's name on any page on the Scorecard to view the following: State and district details along with a photo of the member Individual votes Committee Assignments Contact Information Options from the Member pages include: Compare your Member to other Members Tell Your Senator/Representative you "Care About Cutting" AER ~~~ The only real voyage of discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common
