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Anyways how many people die from illegal drugs every year as compared
with "legal"
drugs (pharmaceuticals, alcohol, tobacco)?
Cars kill 50,000 Americans a year. Do we try to ban cars?
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Russians Offer Water Bombers
The Associated Press
MOSCOW - Two giant Il-76 jet airplanes capable of dumping 44 tons of
water are standing by to help fight a fire in the Los Alamos area if
needed, Russian officials said Friday. The Russian Ministry of Emergency
Below post describes info regarding radioactivity source and danger of
smoke
plume from New Mexico fire threatening Los Alamos Nuclear Labs.
This morning in a phone call Reverend Yamato, now in that area with the
Global Peace Walk, explained he considers the situation a global emergency
and I
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Can we people near the bottom of
society (because we're not rich) turn the tables on government, corps, and
the bankers?
Well, we could stop counting how rich we are in material terms, especially
in terms of how much currency we possess. Valuing things
He's going to be sent back to a country in which, if his nearest relatives
don't do exactly what the government there tells them to do with him,
armed men will kick in the door and carry him off.
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My apologies: the links were bad in the earlier version of this message.
Please delete it and substitute the following one.
JUDI BARI PEPPER SPRAY AUDIO FILES AVAILABLE
You can access the files from any web browser at this address:
http://www.driveway.com/bin/share.jsp?sid=b117bc9a.59519
This
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I'm not in the right situation
to be able to live like you
Neither do I. I spend money when I have to. I don't have much choice. But
I don't like storing the damn stuff. It's not a safe investment. It's
value is determined by fiat. Same goes for stocks,
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Lawrence Livermore Nat'l Lab in northern California has announced they
are monitoring the smoke plumes from the Los Alamos fire.
Did they announce that they were doing the monitoring IN California? Did
they even announce that they were doing the monitoring FROM
Forest Fires Burn in Eastern Russia
The Associated Press
Saturday, May 13, 2000; 9:44 a.m. EDT
MOSCOW -- More than 54,000 acres of forest were ablaze across Russia's Far
East, with the worst fires in the remote Amur region near the border with
China, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported Saturday.
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You may be right, but if your saying there is no democratic solution,
who should rule?
Nobody. Everybody.
Everybody should directly participate in any decision that impacts their
life. We need to, learn to consense before we act.
A
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
The only way to turn the tables without a fight is through education and
motivation of the masses of American voters
What? You think we're fighting an enemy that stays within borders!?!
I wish.
Their reach is global. Borders keep labor in. Capital goes
"We are concerned about our future. We are concerned about our human life."
-- Global Peace Walk 2000 http://www.globalpeacenow.org
Today again I spoke to Reverend Yamato on the phone from New Mexico
about the Global Peace Walk plans concerning what he feels is a Global
Emergency Situation
?
Yeah, me. See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html
They're worth more illegal. Follow the money.
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And a darling of the mainstream Media
How minutes of coverage did he get last week compared to Bush and Gore?
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'The explosion would obviously be best on the dark side of the moon and
the
theory was that if the bomb exploded on the edge of the moon, the mushroom
cloud would be illuminated by the sun.'
A cloud in a place with no air, eh? How?
A
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Yes, you are correct on both accounts but the point was that the blanket
banning of Ephedrine is NOT warranted.
The feds sell cocaine. They don't want competition.
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and if they
cross the line, if they stumble upon the truth of the matter and don't
keep
their mouth shut, "take them out".
And the person from which this information is telling the truth of the
matter but hasn't been taken out?
A
http://flag.blackened.net/revolt/freeearth/empire_natowar.html
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`You must do it. You must
do it,''' Agca said he recalled a voice in his head saying.
Hmmn.
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The short version is that privacy is dead. So if you're doing anything
you're ashamed of in there, either quit doing it or quit being ashamed.
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Marine Corps Commandant General Smedley Butler,
He was recently retired at the time.
who was approached by the men traceable to the J. P. Morgan and Du Pont
Long time Du Pont allies, the Mellons of Pittsburgh, played a crucial
role, too. These families are still close allies and still
Learn about the use of ion scanners in Iowa's drug interdiction:
http://www.apbnews.com/cjsystem/findingjustice/2000/04/06/truckerscan0406_01.html
Hear me speculate about some other uses for ion scanners:
http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/17.html
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Well that's it. THEY are watching me.
If they are already on to this guy and they know his name, they know his
address and they even monitor his internet usage, what on earth does he
gain by concealing his identity from us?
A
Whoever posted the 20 somes quotes discrediting evolution please re-post
them, or e-mail me directly.
These quotes hardly discredit evolution. Some of them bad mouth it, but
that is quite a different thing from discrediting it. To discredit
something, anything, requires empirical evidence,
Ah, yes, the secret history of WWII. Fascinating. I thought I'd ferreted
out the whole story. Then nine months ago, right here on this list came
the following bombshell (pun intended):
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brought on by arteriosclerosis
Or sodium morphate?
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Three audio files are available for public access and downloading.
They are highly compressed to minimize download time and are of
good quality for personal use, but are not intended to be broadcast
quality. If you have doubts about your computer's ability to handle
such files, start with the
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You actually think there is a difference?
Who was it who said, "Under capitalism it's dog eat dog. Under communism
it's precisely the opposite
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I don't have any exact figures, but I do know that after the early A-
Bomb tests the winds brought a tremendous amount of fallout to
upstate New York and cancer rates in the region over the following
two decades soared.
Pennsylvania got dosed too.
A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/
In just 3 weeks on June 4th thousands of people will descend on Windsor,
Canada and Detroit, U$A to shutdown the
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The war on drugs is about war on the
joy de vivre - on the expansive spirit.
The war on (some) drugs is a war against personal autonomy. There is one
reason and one reason only to end the war. It's reason enough. It's your
body. You have a right to do
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The Rare Earth authors overlook the hard evidence of
extraterrestrial presence on Earth.
Which is?
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use, that makes warrantless searches of the type in the bill obsolete.
See:
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and
http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/17.html
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Bush's old man and his family before him, for a long time has had shady
and sneaky
relations with the Chinese, which involve, no doubt, drug money (through
Opium, then
Heroin), as well as other "business ventures" I am sure.
They don't call him "Poppy" for
The show hasn't aired yet here in California. It was very rude to post a
spoiler without saying it was a spoiler. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/
Shutdown the OAS / FTAA General Assembly Meetings!
Following the momentum of Seattle Washington, the next big
A - I N F O S N E W S S E R V I C E
http://www.ainfos.ca/
Already, many groups around the world are preparing
for this event, in recognition that the capitalist system,
based
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I am not gay, and I don't particularly like the lifestyle that some in
the gay community live,
How other people choose to live their lives is nobody's business but their
own.
or the radical message that some gay people have, ie; "You MUST accept
us, and we
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
How about keeping one's mouth shut and acting like everyone else
If everyone kept their mouth shut and everyone acted alike, what kind of a
world would we have?
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By my count, Michael Spitzer posted 35 times yesterday. On those few
occassions that I have tried to post more than six times in a single day,
the seventh post gets automatically rejected. What's up with that?
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but it wasn't until certain colonists utilized "in your face" tactics
that the Crown took notice...
They physically assaulted the king's tax collectors, tarring and
feathering some, whipping some, pouring hot tea down the throats of
others. They wantonly
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
The ideology behind Nazism goes back further than Hitler and continued
long after he was gone.
Now they wear white shirts.
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/company.html
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Click at bottom to see Chemtrails over Saudi Arabia and Iraq during
Desert Storm War 1991,
What, exactly, makes thes things "chemtrails" and not ordinary contrails?
Be specific.
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(snip)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(snip)
This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas. He
is a
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
I've seen the chemtrails and I wasn't hallucinating!
I've seen 'em, too, twice. That doesn't mean I know what they are. Unlike
some people, I have the common decency to not say that I do when I know
that I don't. More importantly, I don't repeat hearsay and
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Ken Walsh,
. . .
believes
. . . .
(snip)
Others have speculated that it's
. . .
(snip)
Witnesses have described
. . .
Now this is journalism. This is a factual accounting of what actually
happened. If we all just restrain ourselves to reporting
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
And we
don't know what else it is or isn't, either."
You say this all the time about everything.
And I'm almost always right.
Post referred to - "the take off and landing weights of his planes
suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Given our government's past activity I am inclined to believe that they
ARE spraying us with something
Me too. They've done it before. They have the means and the motive.
However, while thay have sprayed us in the past, it hasn't been that
often. On the
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
all this bickering over how many posts Michael makes is just
as effective as mainstream media propaganda in distracting us from
uncovering the conspiracy.
On the other hand, just going along with what whoever's in charge says is
exactly the kind of
tion of the airplane?
No, but neither are we in possession of proof that there was not
disk-shaped flight capacity before the invention of the airplane. Accounts
of human flight apparatuses date back to the Mahabharata.
Get started reading up on terrestrial UFOs at:
http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html
D
pull quote:
"Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it."
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Subject: Iraq, Albright, Rafeedie, and the UC
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
I've seen the planes, I've seen them land. They are white jetliners.
Where? When? What models? What were their markings? Specifically, what
were their numbers? Did you write down their numbers? If not, why not?
They are spraying. It's fact. What? Well,
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
the "ridicule, humiliate and demean" method of
dealing with people who provide evidence of UFOs and their non-human
origin.
I'm bad mouthing people. I'm bad mouthing sloppy science.
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I just showed this to my ex, who has a Ph.D. in molecular biology. She
also is an avid conspiracy buff with a more than passing knowledge of
history. She said, "I think its total disinformation, either purposeful or
some poor semi-educated people being led around by the nose, in the
well-known
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
There is as much 'proof' for china as there is for ufo's -
There's plenty of proof for UFOs.
What's lacking is proof that they're extraterrestrial.
Unless, of course, there's something to this claim:
in fact the physical proof of ets and their DNA already
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Advice with regard to CIA agents :
Just ignore them.
Oh, I disagree strongly. We're taxpayers. We pay these guy's salaries by
the sweat of our brows. The very least that they owe us is some
entertainment. Besides, they're gonna hang around anyway. It'd be
aniels who scared the living
daylights out of her,
Now you're talking. Here's the address:
nessie
c/o Bound Together Books
1369 Haight St.
San Francisco CA 94117
or the work we did here on the cottinglea faeries photos and how they had
been painted with faeries to cover up shapechangeing elsie wright
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
stop trying to be scientific - it doesn't work
Oh no? Explain please.
The definition of what a
human is is not ambiguous.
oh, so you're the missing link then ?
How does this follow? Your logic here eludes me.
I am saying that UFOs and ETs are
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
You're giving me heresay - he could've been lying - and here I find myself
repeating the same arguments you used against heresay in an earlier
thread.
I said, and I quote, "If you want to touch China, go touch China." You can
do that if you want. Can I go
That's an intriguing story. But it's not the actual code. Let's see the
actual code.
And who, exactly, is the "Anomaly Physical Evidence Group"? Where,
precisely, are they located? Has any other lab duplicated their results
and drawn the same conclusions? Which lab might that be? How may we
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Do you have any documentation to back that up, or are we supposed to take
your word for it?
You can check up on the mortality of Celts by looking over the surnames on
tombstones at your local graveyard. If you really wanna be really, really
sure you can dig
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
List members engaging in this thread are at a disadvantage, because they
are victims of a covert information war by the USA government to suppress
facts of the extraterrestrial presence.
Possibly, but it is far more likely that the covert information war
it of the doubt, all that proves is that you believe
that it's true. It does not prove that whoever told you they were ETs were
telling you the truth. I tell people I'm Nessie. Does that make me a lake
monster?
How do you know I'm not a ET and I'm just messing with your head here? You
don't, do yo
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
We have no way of 'proving'
whether the article is a hoax of the newspaper (not unknown back in those
days),
And not just back then, either. Modern newspapers lie every day. They also
grossly distort events by reporting some and not others. Consider gun
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
The hard evidence in these French reports now is formally stated to most
strongly support an extraterrestrial hypothesis.
What hard evidence?
ETs are here and have been
proven so,
How? What's the proof? A French military report!?! That's a report,
'Simultaneous' means that they all saw it at the same time, during the
same
event. Tell us more about this ONE event where 'thousands' at that one
time
saw the same thing...
There are many, many such events. They do not, however, prove an ET origin
for what these people saw. There are a
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
It clearly doesn't matter what I come up with or what anyone else comes
up
with. Period. You're intractable, which is fine.
This is simply untrue. I'm not intractable at all. What's more, I've been
extremely specific about what exactly you could come up
, exactly, do they say?
THAT IS THE CORE OF THE REPORT, NESSIE.
THE FRENCH ARE REPORTING ON 500 UFO CRAFT THAT BY THE RULES OF BEST
EVIDENCE
ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL.
A report is a report. If I report to you that the French were actually
seeing my kid's model planes, does that mean that's what
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Then join another political discussion/conspiracy list
"Love it or leave it." Where have I heard that before?
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Nessie is right, but
also remember "United we stand...", I admire folks who
have both oars in the water, yet these times of
turmoil are not supportive of good manners on a "bad
day". I see he has been "publicly spanked",
classified material, particularly bio-war. Bobbie
was becoming increasingly nervous. Neither of us, we both agreed, wanted
to fight a treason bust. Neither of us cared to be "silenced.")
Nessie: Let's talk about the plane.
Bobbie: Oh, OK . . .
Nessie: So Michael runs out of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
That ET-skeptical
conspiracy buffs feel they have the right to call others "kooks" "nuts"
"whiners" on Internet lists because they espouse the ET hypothesis.
Which of us said those things? Not me.
Evidence from metallic parts left by a UFO, whose
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Does anyone know if it's legal to have a gas mask?
And if in the unlikely event that it turns out that it isn't legal to have
a gas mask, does that mean we should forego having gas masks and just go a
head and die when the attack comes?
A
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the
report of magnetic and geological surveys from a geologist/paleobotanist,
Let's hear about this. This sounds interesting.
The rest of that stuff can all be explained by terrestrial craft. That
doesn't mean it was terrestrial craft. But it sure doesn't
OK, who's got a lab?
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This should silence any debunker or doubter.
Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of
them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET
origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs?
A
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
never heard of the DOGON TRIBE - its one of the passe basics
or
Not true. They could have easily heard about it from Europeans, or even
South Africans travelling through Dogan territory. It was known to science
for decades and decades before the story was
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/17.html
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I can't prove to anyone via the internet that I even exist. I can't PROVE
here that I am real or human. I MIGHT be a computer software program
designed to mimic a human.
Indeed. As might I. But then, that's half the fun in here, isn't it?
But it gets
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
nessie, you're pretty weird.
I'm not weird. I'm just drawn that way.
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Yuriy N. Morozov, Ph.D.
A guy I don't know says that a guy he don't know says that a guys who's
dead heard from another guy who's dead a story about how some mythological
being may have looked, so therefore UFO are ET. Right. Sure.
If I ever get arrested for a crime, I sure hope Mike Spitzer
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
There is said to
be about 13,000 Ets just under Dulce alone. A few Et posts here and there
aren't going to show you the overall situation. You need info from ex
military insiders and there is more than enough of that about. Try putting
Branton through
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
what different things do you think the UFOs are?
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html
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Nessie do you think some theorists like M Persinger have any more value
than those who have personally experienced Ets?
He's more than a theorists. He builds and experiments with electromagnetic
devices that substantially alter consciousness and perception. He has
produced hallucinations
e?
HARP's alleged psychoactive capabilities could indeed be a factor in the
strategy of whoever is behind the UFO/abduction experience. So could
The Second Coming
See : http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/12.html and
http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/13.html
Plus various substances, inc selenium,
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Memories can be implanted.
Indeed, we cannot even trust our own memories, let alone the memories of
others.
There could be a very mundane, earthly agency
afoot with these abductions, and agency that is utilizing false ET
scenarios
to cover their tracks,
Ironically, of all the people on this list who are participating in the
discussion about the possibility that UFOs are of ET origin, I am the one
who has posted what is the closest thing to physical evidence of ET
visitation. It's not physical evidence but it is a (purported) picture of
physical
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Nessie - Oh So you ARE the Mind Control Nessie.
Guilty as charged. It's a great little list. I read it every day.
Well, I covered the United
Nations Outer Space Conference in Vienna for THE GUARDIAN. There were
lots
of spacepeople there, communist
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Where is it?? Do you have a URL?
http://www.eskimo.com/~pierres/coso/cosopreview.html
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If push
came to shove, the Turks would not be likely to support a Jewish State at
war
with their coreligionists. And, they have been at war with Christianity
for over
a thousand years.
Like I was saying about the long standing split between Arab Iraq and
along those lines will do. You know what I like. I'll
keep your name out of it. Thanks in advance.
nessie
c/o Bound Together Books
1369 Haight St.
San Francisco CA 94117
USA
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If there is an Islamic revolution and clerics rule,
they will rule by religious law.
That's a very big "if," especially in Turkey.
It was the Muslim, not Arab world which sent money, arms and men to help
their
coreligiopnists in Yugoslavia. Also a
I think we can safely say that American abductions could sometimes be the
military because they sometimes pretend they are aliens by using virtual
reality scenarios.
Agreed. But why are they doing this? They must have a plan. The military
doesn't take a dump without a having a plan first.
one day will manifest themselves by the thousands in
our skies.
It's far more likely that a clever illusion will manifest in our skies
and we'll be led to believe it's ET.
See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/12.html
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A Data Sanctuary is Born
by Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
5:00 p.m. Jun. 4, 2000 PDT
WASHINGTON -- A windswept gun tower anchored six miles off the stormy
coast of England is about to become the first Internet
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
I could tell you that I and untold others have been repeatedly
abducted by motorcycle gangsor Arab terrorists...or Satanists...
or leprechauns...
Which brings up an interesting question. centuries old stories of being
"Taken" by "Faeries" bear a
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
attention deficit/hyperactivity,
Symptoms include questioning authority and staring out the window when the
teacher is boring you.
We're not seeing an increase in mental illness here. We're seeing an
increase in social control. Children who don't conform
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
Another good reason why we don't need more restrictive gun laws, and why,
perhaps, we don't need more laws against anything.
"Laws are useless. Good people don't need 'em. Bad people don't obey 'em."
-- U. Utah
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