[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roman Hodek) wrote on 17.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There are now some packages for m68k that make sense only on a
specific machine type. Currently we have such packages only for Atari,
but others can follow easily. The packages are nvram and setsccserial,
and atari-fdisk
Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 17 Dec 1997, James Troup wrote:
Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is part of an email exchange Sven and I had. Simply put, I put
in a new alpha binary of dpkg-1.4.0.19 that represented nothing but
a recompile to pick up
Hi,
It seems that the only file that needs to be changed between ppp with PAM, and
ppp without PAM is /usr/bin/pppd itself.
This being the case I thought I'd produce two packages, ppp ppp-pam.
ppp will contain the current setup, compiled without PAM support, and ppp-pam
will contain just
OK, after digesting the recent conversations about what needs to be
done for the various Debian emacsen (thanks everyone). I've come to
the following conclusions:
There's a substantial amount of work to do to get this problem solved
properly: to allow simultaneous install of all flavors, to
I wonder if `dpkg' tracks the installation date of a package, whether
it should if it doesn't, or why it doesn't if that is the case.
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On Thu, Dec 18, 1997 at 12:17:43AM +, Philip Hands wrote:
This being the case I thought I'd produce two packages, ppp ppp-pam.
ppp will contain the current setup, compiled without PAM support, and ppp-pam
will contain just /usr/bin/pppd, and have preinst/postrm to handle diverting
Well, I'm tired of this discussion. I'm also tired of downloading the
same messages over and over again. I'm unsubscribing from this
list (actually, I already did). If anybody wishes to follow up on any
topic we have touched upon, do so via e-mail.
I hope the list maintainers find a solution to
I'm preparing the new version of amaya. (I believe it's ready except
for this one final detail.)
The version I'm releasing is amaya_1.1c-1, it is going into the web
section of hamm (main distribution).
I want it to be an upgrade path for the following:
amaya-static_0.95-1
amaya_0.95-1
Hi,
I'm intending to package xacc (X Accountant), a financial tracking
program (somewhat like quicken). It's a motif app, but works with
lesstif, and is GPLed.
Xacc uses the XbaeMatrix Motif widget (which provides a grid of fields,
like a spreadsheet), so I'm going to package that as well. Xbae
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Say, ferinstance, that several revisions of a package are installed
and there are subtly different arguments each time. Or, that package
installation fails, is backed out, then installed then reconfigured?
Several clients or servers? Clients would
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This will not work for packages like Gnus, bbdb, w3,
hyperbole, vm, and psgml, since the compilation requires selectively
preloading some files, or even running complex build-scripts during
the compilation of the elisp files.
Why can't they
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Say, ferinstance, that several revisions of a package are installed
and there are subtly different arguments each time. Or, that package
installation fails, is backed out, then installed then reconfigured?
Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Several
Philip Hands wrote:
ppp is needed for doing an install from the internet via a dialup link. PAM
is not needed until you want people to log into the system, so libpam is a
waste of space on the install disks.
The only advantage I can see is a couple of kilobytes of space on the
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If the binary changes, the version number should change. Things
break if you don't increase the version number (e.g. automatic
upgrade and bug reporting) and you don't have to a source release to
do a non-maintainer release, just add a new entry to the
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While I agree that Gnus is the best thing since sliced bread, keep in
mind those in other countries where net access is *much* more
expensive.
I hardly think the duplicate messages represent a significant
percentage of their bandwidth.
For these
According to Stevens on page 300, writev is atomic, so I would regard
Linux's behavior as a bug.
Guy
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Alexander Supalov wrote:
I saw today that Linux kernel 2.0.32 had been released as a Debian
package. Is it safe to upgrade the existing Debian.1.3.r4 to this
kernel? What about all the libc6 stuff? Should I have it installed or
should I better wait until the the next major Debian release
On 17 Dec 1997, Guy Maor wrote:
download them is closing the barn door after the horses have eaten the
chickens.
Horses are vegetarians anyway.
Will
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Recommends: ppp-pam
Recommends is for packages found together in all but unusual
sitations.
It's certainly not appropriate here. I wouldn't even use Suggests.
Just mention it in the description.
Guy
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1. If a user has amaya-static or amaya, dselect should replace it
with amaya
2. If the above is true, thot-common is installed; I want dselect to
remove it (and not allow it at the same time as the new amaya).
3. The ftp site puts the new
I hope this doesn't bug anyone too much... I think it's relevant to
the current Emacs/XEmacs threads, and adds better information to my
last message in that thread, the one about unbundling elisp packages
from XEmacs. This arrived a while after I'd posted that.
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There has
Enrique Zanardi wrote:
Memory penalty. As busybox and dinstall are linked together in this
implementation, forking implies doubling the already big memory
requirements. Perhaps we should implement a libbusybox.so ...
No it does not, thanks to Linux shared memeory.
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Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
I wonder if `dpkg' tracks the installation date of a package, whether
it should if it doesn't, or why it doesn't if that is the case.
You could try the modification date of
/var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list.
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On Wed, Dec 17, 1997 at 09:22:51PM -0800, Guy Maor wrote:
According to Stevens on page 300, writev is atomic, so I would regard
Linux's behavior as a bug.
On one tty I start wserv, the offending program with the writev:
@chimchim [/usr/lib/epic4] $ ./wserv chimchim 9000
On another, a 'server':
For the past two days, I've been sending out email with a broken From
address - using whatever dynamic IP I happened to be on at the moment.
I finally noticed it just now and fixed it. Gremlins had snuck into
my room and commented out (setq user-mail-address ...) !
So if you sent private email
On 14 Dec 1997, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think I
will also have a problem the next time I reboot because it looks as if
/etc/init.d/boot will never get run.
Doesn't matter, it isn't being used anymore. It has
i have a c++ program compiled with no debug flag. when i do an ldd on
the executable i get the following:
ldd ./vat
libtk8.0.so.1 = /usr/lib/libtk8.0.so.1 (0x4000f000)
libtcl8.0.so.1 = /usr/lib/libtcl8.0.so.1 (0x400af000)
libX11.so.6 = /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6
I think I
will also have a problem the next time I reboot because it looks as if
/etc/init.d/boot will never get run.
Doesn't matter, it isn't being used anymore. It has been replaced with
the /etc/rsS.d stuff.
I begg your pardon? Isn't '/etc/init.d/boot' used any more?
Take a
Hi,
Guy == Guy Maor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Guy Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This will not work for packages like Gnus, bbdb, w3, hyperbole, vm,
and psgml, since the compilation requires selectively preloading
some files, or even running complex build-scripts during the
On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Adam P. Harris wrote:
Maybe I should submit this as a wishlist to the bug system, but I was
interested in getting some comments first.
I think that /etc/ppp/ip-up and /etc/ppp/ip-down should use
'run-parts' against, say, the directories /etc/ppp/ip-{up,down}.d/.
Sounds
Hi,
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
I wonder if `dpkg' tracks the installation date of a package,
whether it should if it doesn't, or why it doesn't if that is the
case.
There was some discussion on the deity list about providing
complete audit trails of package management, and it was
On 18 Dec 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
maybe it is time to bringup the discussion on this list?
The lack of an audit trail is really regrettable in dpkg. After all,
it is as much a system tool as any other program I can think of; why
it is bashful about using the system's log facility
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On Mon, 15 Dec 1997, Brian Bassett wrote:
I recently switched to Debian from RedHat 4.2 and the one thing that I
think that Debian could really use is an administration tool.
Have a look at 'debian-admintool@lists.debian.org'... I have been working on
a 'debianized' version of RH's admintools
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Welton) wrote on 17.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Dec 17, 1997 at 09:22:51PM -0800, Guy Maor wrote:
According to Stevens on page 300, writev is atomic, so I would regard
Linux's behavior as a bug.
On one tty I start wserv, the offending program with the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Santiago Vila) wrote on 17.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 17 Dec 1997, James Troup wrote:
Michael Alan Dorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is part of an email exchange Sven and I had. Simply put, I put
in a new alpha binary of dpkg-1.4.0.19 that represented
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Maor) wrote on 16.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Gonzalo A. Diethelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perhaps you could point out how I could force all of those people
with broken mailers and/or ideas to use one of your great mail
clients, so I won't get four, five, six or
Philip Hands wrote:
ppp is needed for doing an install from the internet via a dialup link.
PAM is not needed until you want people to log into the system, so libpam
is a waste of space on the install disks.
The only advantage I can see is a couple of kilobytes of space on the
Philip Hands wrote:
I thought that, until I noticed that libpam depends upon libpam-util, which
depends upon libpwdb0, which together come to about 180k compressed.
I think you should file a bug report against libpam so it doesn't depend on
libpam-util. I don't see why a library package
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Recommends: ppp-pam
Recommends is for packages found together in all but unusual
sitations.
It's certainly not appropriate here. I wouldn't even use Suggests.
Just mention it in the description.
I've gone for Suggests in the package I just
Is this any different from Intel packages that only make sense when
you have specific hardware installed? We have several of those.
It's not just that you have different hardware installed, but you have
a totally different kind of computer...
Roman
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feedback to help me understand, for example, the muddle in which I remain
until this day about Debian's adamant adherence to some kind of non-standard
policy of setting up headers (ie., not as established by Linus). I have had
Todd == Todd Graham Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Todd Count mine as one vote for a new LOG_DEBIAN facility.
And while we're at it, let's make one for HTTP also.
Anything else?
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Kai == Kai Henningsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kai Remember there are people that can't stand Emacs.
Bliss. :-)
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On 17 Dec 1997, Michael Alan Dorman wrote:
This is part of an email exchange Sven and I had. Simply put, I put
in a new alpha binary of dpkg-1.4.0.19 that represented nothing but a
recompile to pick up new libg++, ncurses, etc. Sven suggested that
this warranted a non-maintainer-release
On 18 Dec 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote:
Remember there are people that can't stand Emacs.
Strange... :)
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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote:
Take a really close look at /etc/rc?.d, and you'll understand what's going
on. Or if you want to cheat, read /etc/init.d/README
I used an older sysvinit, which I modified a lot... I have now upgraded...
_MUCH_ cleaner...
On Tue, 16 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
My first attempt at this was to add these lines to the scripts:
# These variables are for the use of the scripts run by run-parts
PPP_IFACE=$1
PPP_TTY=$2
PPP_SPEED=$3
PPP_LOCAL=$4
PPP_REMOTE=$5
export PPP_IFACE PPP_TTY
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
On 17 Dec 1997, James Troup wrote:
you don't have to [do] a source release to do a non-maintainer release,
just add a new entry to the changelog before you recompile.
Well, if this is so, this would be the best solution.
Just call it dpkg-1.4.0.19.0 and do
Hi!
Is there anyone using the Debian eperl and wml packages? I have been
experienced the same problem as Larry Gilbert's on my hamm (Debian
pre-2.0) system. ePerl segfaults and dump cores after it finishes
processing the file. WML (Website META Language) also calls its own ePerl
Rob == Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and others) writes:
Rob Think multi-user system.
Point taken. I was thinking in singleuser system terms.
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I am not quite so pessimistic about the possibilities of recompiling
installed elisp files.
I see three situations where makefile do special things in order to
compile elisp files:
1) generating/editing .el files (gnats and tm are examples of this) at
build-time. This is not a problem since
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is there an automatic way of setting the current version of a package into
the
Depends (a la ${shlibs:Depends}) ?
Not totally automatic, but you could probably do something in
debian/rules to sed (or, if you're me, perl) it out of the changelog,
and
On 18 Dec 1997, Kai Henningsen wrote:
Remember there are people that can't stand Emacs.
Strange... :)
Nothing strange. After a couple of _years_ of struggling in attempts to
learn emacs (I made about 6 attempts total) I found a *great* relief in...
vi (vim actually). I was able to get
Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I thought that, until I noticed that libpam depends upon
libpam-util, which depends upon libpwdb0, which together come to
about 180k compressed.
I think you should file a bug report against libpam so it doesn't
depend on libpam-util. I don't see why
Todd Graham Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Count mine as one vote for a new LOG_DEBIAN facility.
Is syslogd guaranteed to not lose events under debian?
[It has no such guarantee for the general case.]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This suggests to me that at least part of what the Debian developers
are doing is somehow redundant, when it comes to well written software
that is set up to compile of a number of systems. I did not claim that
there are not packages that I have
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If people really think it is necesary I can add:
PPP_TTYNAME=`/usr/bin/basename $2`
I think this is a bad idea. Anyone who wants to do this, can, and
throwing away information in situations like this is usually a bad
idea.
Consider this (obviouly
On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Alex Romosan wrote:
i have a c++ program compiled with no debug flag. when i do an ldd on
the executable i get the following:
ldd ./vat
libtk8.0.so.1 = /usr/lib/libtk8.0.so.1 (0x4000f000)
libtcl8.0.so.1 = /usr/lib/libtcl8.0.so.1 (0x400af000)
Christian Lynbech [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
1) generating/editing .el files (gnats and tm are examples of this) at
build-time. This is not a problem since the generated .el file is
installed as part of the .deb file.
This is a problem if these packages need to work with both emacs and
Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Because the normal build process is to say make build;
And, as I just realized, this in itself could be problematic. Are we
going to add Depends: make to the emacs lisp packages that do this
in their postinst? I guess we could, but it seemed a
Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No no, Linus agrees with our method.
Right, check out /usr/doc/libc6/FAQ.Debian.gz for the word from the
horse's mouth.
Also, people (rightfully) mentioned considering make-kpkg for building
your kernels. You can find it in the Debian kernel-package
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note, that I'm not saying that I can come up with a good argument why
it would be important to be able to make this distinction (or to even
do what I'm depicting in the example), but I am saying that since I
can't prove to myself that the exact arguement
Raul Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Note, that I'm not saying that I can come up with a good argument why
it would be important to be able to make this distinction (or to even
do what I'm depicting in the example), but I am saying that since I
[You (Adrian Bridgett)]
We should also standardize the environment variables that are used. Once
again, if the program doesn't support environment variables, tough -
although of course maintainers are encouraged to fix the programs :-)
Maybe just enforce the standards that are kinda sorta
Previously Adam P. Harris wrote:
I think there's not really much way we can get them to get netscape to
respect this; I don't think it's worth it to munge thru the (quite
volatile) netscape preferences either.
We can use the automatic proxy configuration and point users at that.
We could
Herbert Xu wrote:
Alexander Supalov wrote:
I saw today that Linux kernel 2.0.32 had been released as a Debian
package. Is it safe to upgrade the existing Debian.1.3.r4 to this
kernel? What about all the libc6 stuff? Should I have it installed or
should I better wait until the the next
Philip Hands [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If people really think it is necesary I can add:
PPP_TTYNAME=`/usr/bin/basename $2`
I think this is a bad idea. Anyone who wants to do this, can, and
throwing away information in situations like this is usually a bad
idea.
If I were
Hi,
Christian == Christian Lynbech [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Christian I am not quite so pessimistic about the possibilities of
Christian recompiling installed elisp files.
Please, people, do download the sources for tm and compile a
local copy before you display such unwarranted
Hi,
Rob == Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Rob Well, I don't see how to fix the needing files that aren't
Rob available problem (when does this happen?), but the
Rob multi-directory make process shouldn't be a problem. There's no
Rob reason the hook file for tm in Guy's proposal couldn't
Hi,
Before Debian, I used to roll my own. I used to spend hours
and hours, chasing down sources, removing all incompatibilities I
could detect (and fix), compiling them, dealing with bad versions,
and, alas, very little of the software was truly well behaved.
I think
You might have a look at how Free and Open BSD do things with their
ports system. It doesnt seem that attractive as a package management
system (try installing Xemacs over a 28.8 on a 486;-), but it is done
quite well, and with standard unix tools. It has provisions for
dependencies and the like
Hi there!
I was poking around the bitchx sources to see if I could make a new
package since the current one is somewhat (lightly put) outdated.
After some studying I discovered that there are many things not present
in the bitchx sources, but that are common to all irc clients. Things
like
Hi,
Please do not blame Herbert for this, since I am responsible
for the kernel-image scripts.
Arto == Arto Astala [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Arto I upgraded to a new snapshot of hamm (1997-12-13) and dselect
Arto naturally marked for upgrade everything I had. I also noticed
Arto the new
My question is, should I modify emacs to use maillock from liblockdev,
or it the emacs mechanism OK (what about NFS)?
My reading is that emacs needs to be modified, but since liblockdev
requires you to call touchlock on a regular basis, I'm worried that
the modification might be non-trivial.
I've had a look at all the current packages, details are below (some
programs are probably fine). I think most of these packages should be
fixed is someway - either:
depending on emacs|xemacs
description includes does not work with Xemacs
description includes already included with
Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is the emacs package being renamed into emacs19? (I saw several
mentions of that name.) If so, could not both emacs19 and xemacsnn both
Provides: emacs?
The new emacs package is going to be named emacs20. The older one may
or may not be renamed to
David Welton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You might have a look at how Free and Open BSD do things with their
ports system. It doesnt seem that attractive as a package management
system (try installing Xemacs over a 28.8 on a 486;-), but it is done
quite well, and with standard unix tools. It
how do I do it?
Will
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On Thu, 18 Dec 1997, Will Lowe wrote:
how do I do it?
Mail to either bug#[EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], the
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