Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 6:10 PM Bret Busby wrote: > On 3/6/23 06:33, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 4:49 PM Bret Busby > > wrote: > > > > On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > > > > > > > Luddites of the World Unite! You

Re: 10 year old machines are slow (was: A hypervisor for a headless server?)

2023-06-02 Thread David Christensen
On 6/2/23 12:19, Stefan Monnier wrote: The most recent general-purpose Intel CPU without VT-X is from 2012. [...] *everything* on processors that old is slow. Actually, for many (most?) single-threaded applications, I wouldn't be surprised if some 2010 CPUs end up within a factor 3 of the

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> 5~10 years ago, I cut the end off of a bad red SATA cable. > To my surprise, the copper conductor was disintegrating as Gene describes. > Unbelievable. > Somebody botched their chemical engineering. Cool: second first hand account. Thanks. So there is at least some anectodal evidence. I also

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> If rust colored dust falls from where copper used to be, you have your >>> evidence. >> Right. But I don't have that, so I don't have my evidence. Do you? > I didn't know I needed to save it at the time, so nothing physical. First hand reports count as evidence, thanks. >> Can you point to

Re: Bullseye to Bookworm upgrade [apache 503 issue solved]

2023-06-02 Thread Gareth Evans
On Fri 2 Jun 2023, at 03:58, Gareth Evans wrote: > Firefox at http(s)://localhost/sitename gives a 503 > Neither /var/log/apache2/error.log nor /var/log/syslog seem to provide > any clues to the problem. I take that back, and apache 503 issue solved -

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread therealcyclist
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 08:22:27PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge: > > I was thinking of these changes in Stretch: > > * For many Intel graphics chipsets, the Stretch X server will use the >modeset driver instead of the intel driver. The modeset driver may >require non-free firmware

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jun 03, 2023 at 12:11:47AM +, therealcyclist wrote: > Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:52:03PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge: > > No "needs_root_rights" here, so I don't know why yours needs it. Maybe > > it's got something to do with driver selection? If I recall correctly > > from the days

Re: Bullseye to Bookworm upgrade issues

2023-06-02 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sat 3 Jun 2023, at 01:15, Gareth Evans wrote: > On Fri 2 Jun 2023, at 03:58, Gareth Evans wrote: >> I have upgraded Bullseye with root on ZFS to Bookworm, but I wonder if >> the 4 upgrade issues I encountered are worth reporting? >> >> If so, which packages would be advisable to report

Re: Bullseye to Bookworm upgrade issues

2023-06-02 Thread Gareth Evans
On Fri 2 Jun 2023, at 03:58, Gareth Evans wrote: > I have upgraded Bullseye with root on ZFS to Bookworm, but I wonder if > the 4 upgrade issues I encountered are worth reporting? > > If so, which packages would be advisable to report against, please? I forgot to mention, after the upgrade

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread therealcyclist
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:52:03PM -0400 schrieb Greg Wooledge: > That's quite strange. I have not installed bookworm, but I just upgraded > to it. I use startx as well (but with fvwm instead of i3-wm), and I'm not > seeing this problem. Xorg runs as me, just as it has done for the last > few

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 04:32:38PM +, therealcyclist wrote: > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm. > I started i3 from tty with startx command as user. > to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root. > that can't be intentional,

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread gene heskett
On 6/2/23 16:26, Stefan Monnier wrote: Plain old red is fine. Its the hot red which veers off toward magenta that is the problem child, that particular dye is almost fluorescent, it gets your attention in a sea of the more commonly use red dye for electrical stuff. I'm pretty sure there are

Re: bastante OFFTOPIC - celulares libres

2023-06-02 Thread Jhosue rui
Uid de Xiaomi como el diablo a la cruz. No niego que el hardware sea bueno y el precio atractivo, pero a cambio traen programas de rastreo para saber hasta de que lado tienes la lengua y te manda tanta propaganda que te sale por la orejas, casi pareciera como si no hubieras pagado por el teléfono

Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 3/6/23 06:33, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 4:49 PM Bret Busby > wrote: On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade > treadmills If, by upgrade

Re: 10 year old machines are slow (was: A hypervisor for a headless server?)

2023-06-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 3/6/23 03:19, Stefan Monnier wrote: The most recent general-purpose Intel CPU without VT-X is from 2012. [...] *everything* on processors that old is slow. Actually, for many (most?) single-threaded applications, I wouldn't be surprised if some 2010 CPUs end up within a factor 3 of the

problem with local DNS

2023-06-02 Thread Maureen L Thomas
I am using a Lonova all in one computer with the latest debian on it.  Bullseye is working fine except for the warning I get as follows:  your current proxy settings do not allow local DNS req (network.proxy.socks_remote)dns). I have the nordvpn installed and I wonder if that is part of the

Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 4:49 PM Bret Busby wrote: > On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > > > > Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade > > treadmills > > If, by upgrade treadmills, you mean the flatbed treadmills, that have a > belt that is turned by the

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread therealcyclist
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 07:07:05PM +0200 schrieb Michel Verdier: > Le 2 juin 2023 therealcyclist a écrit : > > > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed > > i3-wm. > > I started i3 from tty with startx command as user. > > to my surprise i found out that the xorg

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread therealcyclist
Am Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 09:24:13PM +0200 schrieb Sven Joachim: > > That is rather strange. The source of the wrapper program that decides > whether Xorg needs root rights has not been touched for many years[1]. > > Cheers, >Sven > > > 1. >

Re: A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 2/6/23 23:55, James H. H. Lampert wrote: Luddites of the World Unite! You have nothing to lose but your upgrade treadmills If, by upgrade treadmills, you mean the flatbed treadmills, that have a belt that is turned by the human walking on it, rather than the electric ones with electric

Re: how to start login from X Window

2023-06-02 Thread hlyg
On 6/3/23 05:00, Konstantin Nebel wrote: Hi, it depends which display manager u use. check which one is installed. Since you want lightweighted display manager i would try lightdm. But didnt use any of those ever. :) Cheers Thank Nebel! lightdm is what i need.

Re: Email sender refusing to send to unknown ca

2023-06-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 2:20?PM Tim Woodall wrote: Anyone come across delivery failures where the client cert is signed by an internal ca. Are you sure it's not a self-signed end-entity certificate used in an Opportunistic Encryption scheme?

Re: how to start login from X Window

2023-06-02 Thread Konstantin Nebel
Am Freitag, 2. Juni 2023, 22:38:51 CEST schrieb hlyg: > i use bullseye for i386 with twm. many years ago i used login from X > Window, that is, graphics interface, not terminal interface. how to > start login in bullseye's X? Hi, it depends which display manager u use. check which one is

Re: 10 year old machines are slow (was: A hypervisor for a headless server?)

2023-06-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The most recent general-purpose Intel CPU without VT-X is from 2012. > [...] > > *everything* on processors that old is slow. > > Actually, for many (most?) single-threaded applications, I wouldn't be > surprised if some 2010 CPUs end up within a factor 3 of the most

how to start login from X Window

2023-06-02 Thread hlyg
i use bullseye for i386 with twm. many years ago i used login from X Window, that is, graphics interface, not terminal interface.   how to start login in bullseye's X?

Re: Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)

2023-06-02 Thread David Christensen
On 6/2/23 11:33, Stefan Monnier wrote: And, strange as it sounds, replace any "hot red" aka "magenta" sata cable with some other color. I am a CET and known to me since the 1970's, that color of insulation dye will in time, convert the copper of the conductor into a rust colored powder, and

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread Felix Miata
Stefan Monnier composed on 2023-06-02 16:09 (UTC-0400): >> If rust colored dust falls from where copper used to be, you have your >> evidence. > Right. But I don't have that, so I don't have my evidence. Do you? I didn't know I needed to save it at the time, so nothing physical. > Can you

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Plain old red is fine. Its the hot red which veers off toward magenta that > is the problem child, that particular dye is almost fluorescent, it gets > your attention in a sea of the more commonly use red dye for > electrical stuff. I'm pretty sure there are various ways to get that color, so

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Can you point to any evidence? > You've never cut open a magenta cable that quit to see what's inside? Nope. Never had them fail on me either for that matter. > If rust colored dust falls from where copper used to be, you have your > evidence. Right. But I don't have that, so I don't have

Re: Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread therealcyclist
You linked to the Archlinux Wiki and I have installed i3-wm under archlinux and there X11 runs without root privileges by default. I assumed that it is the same under Debian because Debian is known for having relatively safe default values. It looks like i3 doesn't need x11 as root either.

Re: Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)

2023-06-02 Thread gene heskett
On 6/2/23 15:01, James H. H. Lampert wrote: On 6/2/23 11:33 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: This is very hard to believe.  I'm willing to believe that there have been insulation dyes that have proved problematic, but if you've encountered those problems in the 70s I find it *really* odd that it

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
I remembered it badly. I thought I'd never been able to use kvm on that old PC, but I've just been able to create a FreeBSD vm on top of Ubuntu 14.04. Qemu and kvm work wonderfully. Probably some virtualization features miss on the cpu,but...it works anyway. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 9:07 PM Stefan

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2023-06-02 16:32 +, therealcyclist wrote: > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm. > I started i3 from tty with startx command as user. > to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root. > that can't be intentional, can it? As

Re: Cable colors and urban legends

2023-06-02 Thread Felix Miata
Stefan Monnier composed on 2023-06-02 14:33 (UTC-0400): >> And, strange as it sounds, replace any "hot red" aka "magenta" sata cable >> with some other color. I am a CET and known to me since the 1970's, that >> color of insulation dye will in time, convert the copper of the conductor >> into a

10 year old machines are slow (was: A hypervisor for a headless server?)

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> The most recent general-purpose Intel CPU without VT-X is from 2012. [...] > *everything* on processors that old is slow. Actually, for many (most?) single-threaded applications, I wouldn't be surprised if some 2010 CPUs end up within a factor 3 of the most badass desktop you can find today.

Re: PTR record for mail server

2023-06-02 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 12:46:04PM +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: > Can I clarify my understanding of an issue with a Debian Postfix server > please. We have a mail server which is a VPS running Debian hosted by OVH. > Its hostname is of the form vps-xyz.vps.ovh.net the PTR for the IP resolves >

Bug#910970: Info received (flameshot: does not work on debian buster under wayland)

2023-06-02 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this Bug report. This is an automatically generated reply to let you know your message has been received. Your message is being forwarded to the package maintainers and other interested parties for their attention; they will

Re: Email sender refusing to send to unknown ca

2023-06-02 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 2:20 PM Tim Woodall wrote: > > Anyone come across delivery failures where the client cert is signed by > an internal ca. Are you sure it's not a self-signed end-entity certificate used in an Opportunistic Encryption scheme?

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Intel I5 cpu, Side note: this doesn't say much more than "an amd64 CPU produced by Intel in the last 13 years and whose release price was somewhere between $200 and $300" :-) See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Core_i5_processors for more details. Stefan

Re: Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)

2023-06-02 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 6/2/23 11:33 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: This is very hard to believe. I'm willing to believe that there have been insulation dyes that have proved problematic, but if you've encountered those problems in the 70s I find it *really* odd that it would still affect cables from this century (e.g.

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Using qemu is out of discussion,because it is very slow. > But as I said, bhyve works better than qemu alone. Hmm... I'd expect qemu to be able to use KVM on all those machines where Bhyve can be used. Are you saying that you have a machine where Bhyve works well but KVM doesn't work at all,

Cable colors and urban legends (was: Error Messages)

2023-06-02 Thread Stefan Monnier
> And, strange as it sounds, replace any "hot red" aka "magenta" sata cable > with some other color. I am a CET and known to me since the 1970's, that > color of insulation dye will in time, convert the copper of the conductor > into a rust colored powder, and that is a poor conductor. This is

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread gene heskett
On 6/2/23 09:09, gene heskett wrote: On 6/2/23 06:27, David wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 18:43, Mick Ab wrote: Recently, Hardware error messages such as the following have appeared every few weeks :- Hi, given that you say these sympoms appear and disappear, the first and easy thing I

Email sender refusing to send to unknown ca

2023-06-02 Thread Tim Woodall
Hi, Anyone come across delivery failures where the client cert is signed by an internal ca. Jun 2 03:45:27 imap202 sm-mta[14736]: STARTTLS=server, error: accept failed=-1, reason=tlsv1 alert unknown ca, SSL_error=1, errno=0, retry=-1, relay=mta140.fwdto.net [195.68.228.140] Jun 2 03:45:27

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, Victor Sudakov wrote: Now I see that a supported minimal headless configuration probably does not exist at all. Define supported. You can boot a xen dom 0 with almost nothing installed other than xen and the essential set and some sysvinit stuff. I'd bet systemd would

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
- if bhyve fits your needs, why not run FreeBSD and bhyve? I use Linux (+ qemu and kvm) and FreeBSD (with bhyve) depending what OS between these allows me to perform a task faster and better. - Look at Xen history, you'll see that it started in the mid 2000s. I like Xen,I've used it for

Re: X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 2 juin 2023 therealcyclist a écrit : > I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm. > I started i3 from tty with startx command as user. > to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root. > that can't be intentional, can it? Maybe because

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 11:09:36AM +0200, Paul Leiber wrote: +1 for Xen, AFAIK the standard apt installation doesn't include any management GUI. This is the howto which helped me getting started:

Re: linphone and address books

2023-06-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Mario Marietto wrote: > I forgot to specify that I don't like a telephone so much like I had 20 > years ago. I mean,I would like to see a VOIP phone with the form factor of > a smartphone. Sorry if I haven't been very clear. In the sense of having a wireless handset to carry around the house or

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread zithro
On 02 Jun 2023 17:34, Mario Marietto wrote: Excuse me,but there is something within your argumentation that I don't like and I want to express what it is. Let's take Linux as an example of what I want to say. Linux is well known to be an OS that can be installed on the old machines,helping the

X11 should not run as root or?

2023-06-02 Thread therealcyclist
I tried the new Debian bookworm installer rc4 and i manually installed i3-wm. I started i3 from tty with startx command as user. to my surprise i found out that the xorg process is running as root. that can't be intentional, can it? I have fixed the problem by adding the following line in

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Mario Marietto wrote: > I mean. I cant use qemu on that I5 cpu because is slow without kvm. Kvm > does not work on that cpu because it is needs some extensions from the cpu > that there arent. Bhyve is the only alternative because it is a mix between > qemu and kvm in terms of speed. So. My

Re: sed ignorer une occurence

2023-06-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
salut, Le Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 10:46:00AM +, benoit a écrit : > Je voudrais reformater du texte en colonne, qui a été justifié avec des > retours > à la ligne (\n) et des "-" de coupure de mot > ex: > Je voudrais reformater du texte en colonne, qui a été just- «--- > ifié avec des retours à

Re: linphone and address books

2023-06-02 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023, Mario Marietto wrote: I forgot to specify that I don't like a telephone so much like I had 20 years ago. I mean,I would like to see a VOIP phone with the form factor of a smartphone. Sorry if I haven't been very clear. I use linphone on android. But modern androids are

Re: bastante OFFTOPIC - celulares libres

2023-06-02 Thread Juan carlos Rebate
Los Xiaomi están muy bien de precio y buena calidad, Ami se me callo 20 veces y ahí sigue, en cuanto al SO si eres algo avispado bajas el aosp bajas el kernel para el teléfono que tengas y lo compilas así te libras de google, y la app del banco la bajas de algún repositorio como apkmirror, o bien

A case for supporting antiquated hardware, was Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 6/2/23 8:34 AM, Mario Marietto wrote: You may argue that developing for a small number of old computers isn't worth trying. But,first of all,I think that there are a LOT of old PCs in the world,since poor people aren't only a niche. Nor are they the only ones using antiquated hardware, or

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
Excuse me,but there is something within your argumentation that I don't like and I want to express what it is. Let's take Linux as an example of what I want to say. Linux is well known to be an OS that can be installed on the old machines,helping the people that can't buy a new computer to surf

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread zithro
On 02 Jun 2023 14:31, Michael Stone wrote: I don't recommend xen for new projects. It has more pieces and tends to be more fragile than qemu+kvm, for no real benefits these days. (IMO) Define "more pieces" and "more fragile" ? It has a really low TCB and still used by amazon for their cloud.

Re: bastante OFFTOPIC - celulares libres

2023-06-02 Thread Daniel
Muchísimas gracias Esteban, Camaleón, Javier, Juan Pablo y Sergio. Seguramente termine comprando/consiguiendo un Motorola smart un poco descartado por viejito para el banco y mantendré el actual (Nokia "a botonera") como principal. Pelearme con el banco y la tarjeta de coordenadas o cambiar ya

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread piorunz
On 02/06/2023 13:36, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 12:01:10 +0100 Mick Ab wrote: Ram :- I don't know the make of the Ram - someone built the PC for me. 16GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM (2 x 8GB sticks, I understand You may be able to get the make of the RAM (and more) with: dmidecode |

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 03:24:13PM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: I mean. I cant use qemu on that I5 cpu because is slow without kvm. Kvm does not work on that cpu because it is needs some extensions from the cpu that there arent. Bhyve is the only alternative because it is a mix between qemu and

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
ok. Thank you very much for the explanations. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 3:15 PM Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 03:01:04PM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: > >Using qemu is out of discussion,because it is very slow. But as I > said,bhyve > >works better than qemu alone. > > kvm

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Victor Sudakov wrote: > I'm currently going to migrate some FreeBSD VMs from bhyve to a linux > host. I hope KVM will have no problem with their raw disk images. Most raw images are supported; if there's something odd going on, `qemu-img convert` supports: blkdebug blklogwrites blkverify

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
I mean. I cant use qemu on that I5 cpu because is slow without kvm. Kvm does not work on that cpu because it is needs some extensions from the cpu that there arent. Bhyve is the only alternative because it is a mix between qemu and kvm in terms of speed. So. My question is : how much old cpu there

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 03:01:04PM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: Using qemu is out of discussion,because it is very slow. But as I said,bhyve works better than qemu alone. kvm literally uses qemu as its user space, so it's very much not out of the discussion. If you can't use the kvm kernel

Re: bastante OFFTOPIC - celulares libres

2023-06-02 Thread sergiogomez
El 2023-06-02 09:07, JavierDebian escribió: > El 1/6/23 a las 18:58, Daniel escribió: > >> Hola, Daniel de Argentina (La Plata, Bs. As.). >> >> Una consulta bastante offtopic, creo, aunque relacionada con Debian (y >> soft/hard libre en general): >> >> De testarudo uso desde siempre celular

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread gene heskett
On 6/2/23 06:27, David wrote: On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 18:43, Mick Ab wrote: Recently, Hardware error messages such as the following have appeared every few weeks :- Hi, given that you say these sympoms appear and disappear, the first and easy thing I would try, is to re-seat (ie disconnect

Re: bastante OFFTOPIC - celulares libres

2023-06-02 Thread Juan Pablo
Soy también de la provincia de Buenos Aires y tengo 68 años. Uso siempre Motorola (no el mejor) con Android y en mis años de banco desde el celular, jamás tuve un problema y pago todo desde ahí. Incluyendo Mercado Libre, DirecTV Saludos Juan Pablo El vie., 2 jun. 2023 09:08, JavierDebian

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
Using qemu is out of discussion,because it is very slow. But as I said,bhyve works better than qemu alone. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 2:44 PM Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 11:21:45AM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: > >wait wait. for sure the option should be enabled on the bios,but

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 08:41:44AM +, Victor Sudakov wrote: Interestingly, libvirt claims to support bhyve, I just never felt a need for such sophisticated tools to run just several VMs. Yes, it sounds like you should just ignore libvirt entirely and just install qemu-system-x86 (and not

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:12:02 + Victor Sudakov wrote: > I'm currently going to migrate some FreeBSD VMs from bhyve to a linux > host. I hope KVM will have no problem with their raw disk images. You might look into the Debian vagrant-mutate package. apt show vagrant-mutate -- Does anybody

Re: linphone and address books

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
I forgot to specify that I don't like a telephone so much like I had 20 years ago. I mean,I would like to see a VOIP phone with the form factor of a smartphone. Sorry if I haven't been very clear. On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 1:57 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Mario

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 11:21:45AM +0200, Mario Marietto wrote: wait wait. for sure the option should be enabled on the bios,but bhyve works in a different way than kvm,so it works even if my cpu does not have all the virt. parameters respected. Infact kvm does not work on that cpu. But how many

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 12:01:10 +0100 Mick Ab wrote: > Ram :- > > I don't know the make of the Ram - someone built the PC for me. > > 16GB DDR4-3200MHz RAM (2 x 8GB sticks, I understand You may be able to get the make of the RAM (and more) with: dmidecode | less then search ('/') on Memory

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 11:09:36AM +0200, Paul Leiber wrote: +1 for Xen, AFAIK the standard apt installation doesn't include any management GUI. This is the howto which helped me getting started: https://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Xen_Project_Beginners_Guide I don't recommend xen for new

Re: PTR record for mail server

2023-06-02 Thread Andrew Wood
On 02/06/2023 13:01, Dan Ritter wrote: Ask OVH to set the PTR to one of your domains, and make sure you have an MX in each of your domains that points back to that domain. i.e.: PTR mail.longterm.com MX for longterm: 50 mail.longterm.com MX for otherdomain: 30 mail.otherdomain.com 50

Re: PTR record for mail server

2023-06-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Andrew Wood wrote: > Hi > > Can I clarify my understanding of an issue with a Debian Postfix server > please. We have a mail server which is a VPS running Debian hosted by OVH. > Its hostname is of the form vps-xyz.vps.ovh.net the PTR for the IP resolves > to that. > > The the issue is our

Re: linphone and address books

2023-06-02 Thread Dan Ritter
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Mario Marietto (2023-06-02 10:27:29) > > Does anyone know if on the market there is a phisycal phone (made with > > hardware components) which allows to place calls and to send sms only using > > the VOIP technology ? Would be an interesting product to buy and

Re: PTR record for mail server

2023-06-02 Thread Michel Verdier
Le 2 juin 2023 Andrew Wood a écrit : > The the issue is our server sends mail for our own domains and we are getting > mail rejected from some recipient servers with 550 PTR rejected: Please use a > non-generic PTR (in reply to RCPT TO command. Give the full message for better understanding but

Re: bastante OFFTOPIC - celulares libres

2023-06-02 Thread JavierDebian
El 1/6/23 a las 18:58, Daniel escribió: Hola, Daniel de Argentina (La Plata, Bs. As.). Una consulta bastante offtopic, creo, aunque relacionada con Debian (y soft/hard libre en general): De testarudo uso desde siempre celular "no smart" y correo POP (con todos los inconvenientes y falta de

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 11:53:26PM -0400, Brian Sammon wrote: "virt-manager", on the other hand, appears to be fundamentally a GUI tool. But virsh from libvirt-clients isn't.

Re: packagekit et les mises à jour

2023-06-02 Thread didier gaumet
Le 02/06/2023 à 12:37, Jean-Marc a écrit : [...] Comme je le disait, en parlant de gnome-packagekit, on s'éloigne. [...] Tu as peut-être raison :-) Pour aller dans ton sens (packagekit pur sans les couches GUI Gnome): tu peux regarder si tu n'as pas dans un lointain passé activé des services

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread David
On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 at 11:01, Mick Ab wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies to the Error Messages. > > I don't know how you find which disk is referred to by ata5. ls -l /dev/disk/by-path | grep 'ata-5' > I think dm-0 is a reference to a Raid setup. To get the UUID: sudo dmsetup info

PTR record for mail server

2023-06-02 Thread Andrew Wood
Hi Can I clarify my understanding of an issue with a Debian Postfix server please. We have a mail server which is a VPS running Debian hosted by OVH. Its hostname is of the form vps-xyz.vps.ovh.net the PTR for the IP resolves to that. The the issue is our server sends mail for our own

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread piorunz
Hi Mick, Can you please give result of this command? (install inxi if you don't have it) sudo inxi -Fm Also, please run Memtest86+ on your machine (for several hours) to check memory for errors. You can find it there: https://memtest.org/ It can be also found in Debian packages, but booting

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread Mick Ab
Thanks for all the replies to the Error Messages. I don't know how you find which disk is referred to by ata5. I think dm-0 is a reference to a Raid setup. Other information about my hardware and rebooting :- I have two 1 TB hard drives arranged as a RAID 1 array. The power supply :- Corsair

Re: packagekit et les mises à jour

2023-06-02 Thread Jean-Marc
salut, Le 2/06/23 à 10:29, didier gaumet a écrit : Le 01/06/2023 à 22:13, Jean-Marc a écrit : [...] Potentiellement, illustrant que ton installation de Packagekit est incomplète ou pas totalement fonctionnelle à cause d'un conflit de dépendances induit par ton dépôt EID Revenons donc à

Re: linphone and address books

2023-06-02 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Mario Marietto (2023-06-02 10:27:29) > Does anyone know if on the market there is a phisycal phone (made with > hardware components) which allows to place calls and to send sms only using > the VOIP technology ? Would be an interesting product to buy and try in my > opinion. Yes,

Re: Error Messages

2023-06-02 Thread David
On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 at 18:43, Mick Ab wrote: > Recently, Hardware error messages such as the following have > appeared every few weeks :- Hi, given that you say these sympoms appear and disappear, the first and easy thing I would try, is to re-seat (ie disconnect and reconnect) every SATA

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
wait wait. for sure the option should be enabled on the bios,but bhyve works in a different way than kvm,so it works even if my cpu does not have all the virt. parameters respected. Infact kvm does not work on that cpu. But how many cpus there are like mine ? Does Linux feel to cover the gap of an

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Victor Sudakov
Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Victor, Hi Andy! [dd] > > Now I see that a supported minimal headless configuration probably > > does not exist at all. > > I don't think that is correct at all, depending on what you mean by > "supported". You absolutely will find a guide out there to do what > you want,

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Paul Leiber
Am 02.06.2023 um 09:28 schrieb Victor Sudakov: Miles Fidelman wrote: On Thu, Jun 1, 2023, 9:58 PM Victor Sudakov mailto:v...@sibptus.ru>> wrote: Dear Colleagues, There is a hypervisor called bhyve for FreeBSD. It's completely headless, no graphics, runs as a daemon and

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Victor Sudakov
Nicolas George wrote: > Victor Sudakov (12023-06-02): > > Oh, I'm a rare kind of newbie. I have 25 years of FreeBSD > > experience and about 10 years of Solaris experience. > > Newbies who think they have a lot of experience are, sadly, not a rare > breed. I agree. But once you start measuring

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Victor Sudakov
Mario Marietto wrote: > Hello to everyone. I follow every day the development of bhyve for FreeBSD > and I have even collaborated with some of its developers to add the > functionality of the passing through of one nvidia gpu to a linux guest. > What to say ? that bhyve is a programming gem. Qemu

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 08:36:51AM +, Victor Sudakov wrote: [...] > Oh, I'm a rare kind of newbie. I have 25 years of FreeBSD > experience and about 10 years of Solaris experience. However I still > consider myself a newbie in Linux as I work with it only since 2020 > and in rather limited

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 10:41:42AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Victor Sudakov (12023-06-02): > > Oh, I'm a rare kind of newbie. I have 25 years of FreeBSD > > experience and about 10 years of Solaris experience. > > Newbies who think they have a lot of experience are, sadly, not a rare >

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Victor Sudakov
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2023 at 08:05:18AM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > [...] > > > Most of the time with most packages it's obvious, but I have seen > > some weird things from time to time! KVM is such a big package that > > I shy away from just advising

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Victor Sudakov
Andy Smith wrote: [dd] > > Most of the time with most packages it's obvious, but I have seen > some weird things from time to time! KVM is such a big package that > I shy away from just advising --no-install-recommends to those > inexperienced with it. Thanks for your opinion. I've made a

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Nicolas George
Victor Sudakov (12023-06-02): > Oh, I'm a rare kind of newbie. I have 25 years of FreeBSD > experience and about 10 years of Solaris experience. Newbies who think they have a lot of experience are, sadly, not a rare breed. Goodbye. -- Nicolas George

Re: A hypervisor for a headless server?

2023-06-02 Thread Mario Marietto
Hello to everyone. I follow every day the development of bhyve for FreeBSD and I have even collaborated with some of its developers to add the functionality of the passing through of one nvidia gpu to a linux guest. What to say ? that bhyve is a programming gem. Qemu and kvm have more

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