Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-17 Thread tomas
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 07:59:52PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/17/24 00:35, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:12:06PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > > > On 2/15/24 17:44, gene heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > >  Other than that the gui access delay (30+

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-17 Thread gene heskett
On 2/17/24 00:47, gene heskett wrote: On 2/16/24 21:13, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 02:02:59PM -0600, David Wright wrote: On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 14:48:12 (+), Andy Smith wrote: No, because it's a filesystem label for the ext4 fs created on /dev/sdz1. If sdz1 is turned

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-17 Thread gene heskett
On 2/17/24 00:35, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:12:06PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: On 2/15/24 17:44, gene heskett wrote: [...]  Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) problems I have did NOT go away when I moved /home off the raid to another SSD [...]

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-17 Thread debian-user
gene heskett wrote: > On 2/16/24 15:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >>> One of the 1T samsungs in the md raid10 isn't entirely happy but > >>> mdadm has not fussed about it, and smartctl seems to say its ok > >>> after testing. Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) > >>> problems I have

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-17 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:46:25AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [38 lines of irrelevance snipped out of a 71 line email] > I've printed drawers to fill those slots. The top slot has a bpi-m5 in it, > the bottom slot has a 5 volt 10 amp psu in it. slot 2 will have 2 of those > nearly 4T SSD's

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2024-02-17 Thread tomas
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 01:32:29AM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:47 AM gene heskett wrote: [...] > > That part if the ^%$ drives ever get here, I just looked at the front > > deck and it has 2" of fresh white stuff on it. > > Lol... More irrelevant chatter [...]

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:47 AM gene heskett wrote: > > On 2/16/24 21:13, Andy Smith wrote: > > [...] > > Sure, but we still don't know what Gene is trying to do or why > > partition names would be useful to him so I am kind of sceptical > > that this leads anywhere. > > > That part if the ^%$

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread gene heskett
On 2/16/24 21:13, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 02:02:59PM -0600, David Wright wrote: On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 14:48:12 (+), Andy Smith wrote: No, because it's a filesystem label for the ext4 fs created on /dev/sdz1. If sdz1 is turned into an LVM Physical Volume, there

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 03:46:54PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: [...] > FWIW, my crystal ball says "30s => software timeout rather than hardware > problem" and whithin that, a network thingy. Ah, were it 90s, it'd be a DNS thingy. But 30s... Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 12:12:06PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > On 2/15/24 17:44, gene heskett wrote: [...] > >  Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) problems I have did > > NOT go away when I moved /home off the raid to another SSD [...] I think at this point few are

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 17 Feb 2024 at 02:12:49 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 02:02:59PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > … which would be moot if only Gene could create partition PARTLABELs > > successfully. > > Sure, but we still don't know what Gene is trying to do or why > partition names

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 03:46:54PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > FWIW, my crystal ball says "30s => software timeout rather than hardware > problem" Back in a previous thread Gene was saying that it's only evident when some GUI app brings up a file requester to load or save something so

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 02:02:59PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 14:48:12 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > > No, because it's a filesystem label for the ext4 fs created on > > /dev/sdz1. If sdz1 is turned into an LVM Physical Volume, there > > won't be an ext4 filesystem

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread gene heskett
On 2/16/24 15:47, Stefan Monnier wrote: One of the 1T samsungs in the md raid10 isn't entirely happy but mdadm has not fussed about it, and smartctl seems to say its ok after testing.  Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) problems I have did NOT go away when I moved /home off the

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2/16/24 12:46, Stefan Monnier wrote: One of the 1T samsungs in the md raid10 isn't entirely happy but mdadm has not fussed about it, and smartctl seems to say its ok after testing.  Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) problems I have did NOT go away when I moved /home off the

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> One of the 1T samsungs in the md raid10 isn't entirely happy but mdadm has >> not fussed about it, and smartctl seems to say its ok after testing. >>  Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) problems I have did >> NOT go away when I moved /home off the raid to another SSD, so I may

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2/15/24 22:16, gene heskett wrote: I want to know with absolute certainty, with of the 4 drives in that raid10, actually has a belly ache. When it has a belly ache. I can't see any reason on this ball of rock and water, why I should be expected to replace a drive at a time until the belly

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2/15/24 17:44, gene heskett wrote: One of the 1T samsungs in the md raid10 isn't entirely happy but mdadm has not fussed about it, and smartctl seems to say its ok after testing.  Other than that the gui access delay (30+ seconds) problems I have did NOT go away when I moved /home off the

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 11:59:40 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: > On 2/15/24 12:59, gene heskett wrote: > > ... gigastones, I 5 of them but when all > > are plugged in there are only 3 becauae there are 2 pairs of > > matching serial numbers ... > > I recall 2 pairs of SSD's with matching

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 14:48:12 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 01:32:26AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On 2/15/24 16:20, David Wright wrote: > > ># gdisk -l /dev/sdz > > >GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.3 > > > > > >Partition table scan: > > > MBR: protective

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Wright
On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 01:32:26 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 16:20, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 15 Feb 2024 at 20:44:52 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: > > > > > You asked if

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2/15/24 12:59, gene heskett wrote: ... gigastones, I 5 of them but when all are plugged in there are only 3 becauae there are 2 pairs of matching serial numbers ... I recall 2 pairs of SSD's with matching serial numbers. Please remove one SSD of each pair so that the remaining SSD's

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2/15/24 12:19, gene heskett wrote: On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: ... redundancy plans ... Like which version of a raid is the best at tolerating a failed drive, which give he best balance between redundancy and capacity. Given a small number of disks, N (say, 4 to 8), the obvious

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread gene heskett
On 2/16/24 07:46, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 2/15/24 15:45, Andy Smith wrote: MD RAID isn't the only way to achieve redundancy. You also haven't explained why you need LVM. Depending on your needs, maybe a filesystem with redundancy and volume management

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 08:44:26PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 15:45, Andy Smith wrote: > > MD RAID isn't the only way to achieve redundancy. You also haven't > > explained why you need LVM. Depending on your needs, maybe a > > filesystem with redundancy and volume management

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 01:32:26AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 16:20, David Wright wrote: > ># gdisk -l /dev/sdz > >GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.3 > > > >Partition table scan: > > MBR: protective > > BSD: not present > > APM: not present > > GPT:

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 01:16:59AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 16:20, Andy Smith wrote: > > Suppose you have the MD array /dev/md42. What are you conceptually > > wanting to do with that in relation to labels of some kind? What > > information is it that you want? > > > >

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread debian-user
gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 15:45, Andy Smith wrote: > > > MD RAID isn't the only way to achieve redundancy. You also haven't > > explained why you need LVM. Depending on your needs, maybe a > > filesystem with redundancy and volume management features in it > > would be better. Like btrfs

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Monnier writes: > - Use an additional tiny dummy partition in which you can put any info > you like. This seems to be what Microsoft likes to do. At least I had the pleasure of tossing a "Microsoft reserved" partition out from my desktop recently, I think the Windows 10 installer

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread gene heskett
On 2/15/24 16:20, David Wright wrote: On Thu 15 Feb 2024 at 20:44:52 (+), Andy Smith wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: You asked if "labels" would survive their associated partition being put into LVM. I said, "yes if

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread gene heskett
On 2/15/24 16:20, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:59:30PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: Now the question remains howinhell do I put a label on a drive such that it does survive making a raid or lvm device with it? To not have a way to id its the drive in slot n of a multislot

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread gene heskett
On 2/15/24 15:45, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: You asked if "labels" would survive their associated partition being put into LVM. I said, "yes if you mean partition names, no if you mean filesystem

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Now the question remains howinhell do I put a label on a drive such > that it does survive making a raid or lvm device with it? LVM/MD take control of a block device (usually a partition), so any info in that block device can't be used for your purpose. IOW you have to put the info somewhere

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread gene heskett
On 2/15/24 15:45, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: You asked if "labels" would survive their associated partition being put into LVM. I said, "yes if you mean partition names, no if you mean filesystem

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread David Wright
On Thu 15 Feb 2024 at 20:44:52 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: > > > You asked if "labels" would survive their associated partition being > > > put into LVM. > > > > > > I said, "yes if you mean

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:59:30PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Now the question remains howinhell do I put a label on a drive > such that it does survive making a raid or lvm device with it? To > not have a way to id its the drive in slot n of a multislot rack > stops me in my tracks. Given

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread gene heskett
On 2/15/24 14:41, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 05:32:34PM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Andy Smith wrote: Do remember that this mailing lists does not accept attachments (and very few mailing lists in general do), so any time you are tempted to send a photo to

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: > > You asked if "labels" would survive their associated partition being > > put into LVM. > > > > I said, "yes if you mean partition names, no if you mean filesystem > > labels". > > > I'm

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread gene heskett
On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:56:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: I hope you are putting a level of redundancy under that LVM or are using the redundancy features of LVM (which you need to go out of your way to do).

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 05:32:34PM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > > Do remember that this mailing lists does not accept attachments (and > > very few mailing lists in general do), so any time you are tempted > > to send a photo to a mailing list it is

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread debian-user
Andy Smith wrote: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 08:48:31PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > > Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know what > > > exactly you are talking about, because as previously discussed > > > there's a lot of different

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread David Wright
On Thu 15 Feb 2024 at 16:12:06 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:56:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > > > I hope you are putting a level of redundancy under that LVM or are > > > > using the redundancy features of LVM (which you

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:56:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > > I hope you are putting a level of redundancy under that LVM or are > > > using the redundancy features of LVM (which you need to go out of > > > your way to do). Otherwise by default

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 08:48:31PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions as > > > SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 > > > > Please show us

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:06:43PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > But your chosen partition names don't make a lot of sense to me. > > You've picked names based on the type/manufacturer of device so you > > may as well have just used the names from

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread gene heskett
On 2/14/24 21:14, Max Nikulin wrote: On 15/02/2024 08:48, gene heskett wrote: This is what gparted calls a "partition label" and certainly does not need a 4.5 megabyte camera image to see. or even a 50k screen snap. lsblk --fs -o +PARTLABEL  /dev/sdc NAME FSTYPE FSVER LABEL UUID

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread gene heskett
On 2/14/24 20:49, gene heskett wrote: On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions  as SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread David Christensen
On 2/14/24 18:06, gene heskett wrote: Will the by-id string fit in the space reserved for a label?That IF there was a connection between the /dev/sdc that udev assigns and anything in this list: root@coyote:~# ls /dev/disk/by-id ata-ATAPI_iHAS424_B_3524253_327133504865

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/02/2024 08:48, gene heskett wrote: This is what gparted calls a "partition label" and certainly does not need a 4.5 megabyte camera image to see. or even a 50k screen snap. lsblk --fs -o +PARTLABEL /dev/sdc

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread David Christensen
On 2/14/24 17:48, gene heskett wrote: On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions  as SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know what

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread gene heskett
On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions as SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know what exactly you are talking about,

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread gene heskett
On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions as SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know what exactly you are talking about,

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions as > SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know what exactly you are talking about, because as previously discussed

f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread gene heskett
Drive is plugged into amobo usb-3 port via a startech USB3S2SAT3CB ADAPTER CABLE. f3probe took over 16 seconds, but says it the real thing: root@coyote:~# f3probe /dev/sdc F3 probe 8.0 Copyright (C) 2010 Digirati Internet LTDA. This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.