I'm seeing a lot of old messages coming through the dev and authors
lists now, so apparently someone's fixed whatever the problem was.
Some of the messages may be from people who are not subscribed. I'll be
replying to them offlist to avoid spamming the entire list with how to
join messages.
Clayton or anyone who's been involved with the OOo Admin Guide: How out
of date is it? What topics are missing?
--Jean
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On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 01:10 -0500, Joe Smith wrote:
On 01/22/2011 12:17 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
I found this page on the wiki,
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Calc#Regular_expressions_in_Calc_Find_.26_Replace
At the bottom
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 19:28 +1300, Gareth McMullin wrote:
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
wrote:
Doesn't work for me. Here are all the steps I did:
Format the cells as number, select the Regular expressions option,
select the cells A1, A2, A3
I found this page on the wiki,
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Calc#Regular_expressions_in_Calc_Find_.26_Replace
At the bottom of the page is this info:
Find '.+' (or similar) and Replace with '' effectively re-enters the
contents of cells.
shows the value of 3.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Gareth
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
wrote:
I found this page on the wiki,
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/How_Tos/Regular_Expressions_in_Calc
the value 0, because A1 and A2 are strings. Doing the
find and replace as described reenters A1 and A2 as numbers, so A3
shows the value of 3.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Gareth
On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com
wrote:
I found this page on the wiki
...@documentation.openoffice.org, where writers, editors, reviewers,
and others discuss documents they are working on. We also keep some of
our team information (like who is working on what) on the Wiki.
Therefore we recommend that you set up an account on the Wiki as well,
if you haven't already.
--Jean
Jean Hollis
The bits of info in the Document Properties are metadata about the
document. This metadata can be used for various purposes (such as
searching), and is exported to PDF, HTML, and other formats.
I would like to include in the Writer Guide (where the DocProperties
dialog box is discussed) some
Andreas Mantke has been acting as sysadmin for the OOoAuthors website
for several years. He took over when our previous sysadmin left, and he
has done a fine job. Unfortunately, Andreas says that he will not be
continuing in this role.
as you may have seen, I was one of the guys who want to work
In case anyone was wondering...
I am remaining as Co-Lead of OOo Documentation and will continue to
concentrate my efforts on OOo docs, primarily the user guides produced
by the OOoAuthors group.
The OOoAuthors website remains available for people to work on other
flavours of OOo, should they
On Wed, 2010-10-06 at 17:50 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
On 10/06/2010 04:59 PM, Joe Smith wrote:
My sample set is still available here:
http://www.martnet.com/~jes/temp/MLTut2a.odb
But that's just a temporary location. The release file should be
available from some public
For those of you who may wish (as I do) to work on docs for LibreOffice
as well as for OpenOffice.org, there is now a list called
documentat...@libreoffice.org
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On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 16:29 -0700, Buck Deadrich wrote:
I don't understand why I am receiving this. I am not part of any tutorial
please remove my name. thanks Buck Deadrich
--- On Tue, 8/24/10, Buck Deadrich buckdeadr
On Mon, 2010-08-02, mcasan...@instituto-hispano.org wrote:
Dear Jean,
I am happy to say that the Mid Level Base Tutorial is finally ready and
that I am about to publish it, replacing the older files.
Please advise me about the copyright (or left) options that are preferable
for this
The printed edition of the OOo 3 Draw Guide is now available from
Friends of OpenDocument Inc. through Lulu.com:
http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/openofficeorg-3-draw-guide/12057802
ODTs PDFs are on the OOoAuthors website, and PDFs are on the OOo wiki.
To check on all the OOo-related books
.
Jean
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and improving the
instructions for newcomers. This is going slowly, so apologies if what
we have is incomplete or unclear.
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Someone named Kirk contributed significantly to Chapter 7 of the Calc
Guide. I'd like to put his name in the list of contributors, but I don't
know his surname.
Kirk, are you there?
Or does someone else know?
--Jean
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Some of you may be interested in this message. See the linked wiki
page for details. Clayton may have more to say when he has time.
--Jean
Forwarded Message
From: Juergen Schmidt juergen.schm...@sun.com
Reply-to: annou...@openoffice.org
To: annou...@openoffice.org
Subject:
I have published an update to the OOo3 Installation Guide. It is
available on the wiki (in ODT and PDF),
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation
Changes are primarily in the logos and screenshots, due to the
rebranding. I'm also made some minor wording changes and updated the
links
On Fri, 2010-06-04, Sophie wrote:
I've begin to collect a FAQ dedicated to accessibility, mostly with the
NVDA reader. The main author is Sylvain Grille. It's in French, but I'll
translate it in English. In the meantime, if you understand French,
don't hesitate to translate it too in your
The wiki is on a completely different server, in a different country,
from the OOoAuthors website.
--Jean
On Fri, 2010-05-14 at 09:21 -0500, Claire Wood wrote:
Still no luck. I can only assume it's the connectivity available here in
the UK. If anyone is reading this that is based in the UK,
Abha Kumari:
If you are not already signed up at the OOoAuthors website, you'll
need to do so and request the author role before you can see the
Review List that Dan refers to -- or any draft files on the website,
though the Contributor Resources should be visible to anyone.
--Jean
Daniel
level you wish. Please introduce
yourself to the team here, and don't be shy about asking questions on
the list when things are unclear.
--Jean
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reorganized and rewritten. If some things seem
inconsistent or unclear, that's probably why.
You are welcome to join in at any level you wish. Please introduce
yourself to the team here, and don't be shy about asking questions on
the list when things are unclear.
--Jean
Jean Hollis Weber
are welcome to join in at any level you wish. Please introduce
yourself to the team here, and don't be shy about asking questions on
the list when things are unclear.
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Jean Hollis Weber
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are being
reorganized and rewritten. If some things seem inconsistent or
unclear, that's probably why.
You are welcome to join in at any level you wish. Please introduce
yourself to the team here, and don't be shy about asking questions on
the list when things are unclear.
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Jean Hollis Weber
and rewritten. If some things seem inconsistent or
unclear, that's probably why.
You are welcome to join in at any level you wish. Please introduce
yourself to the team here, and don't be shy about asking questions on
the list when things are unclear.
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OpenOffice.org
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In the list of shortcut keys for Writer is Shift+F9, which is given as
Calculate Table. I don't understand what this is supposed to do, or
under what circumstances. Can someone enlighten me, please?
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Claire Wood wrote:
I think initially when you first start using OOo you're better referring to
the PDF documents or the Wiki rather than the help file as they're more up
to date.
The problem is that there is little user-oriented documentation on
Base. Getting Started with Base is very good
.
Archives for the original list will be preserved, though at this point
we're not sure exactly where. There may be a period of time in which
they are not available.
--Jean
Jean Hollis Weber
Co-Lead, Documentation Project, OpenOffice.org
Linking from the user guide chapters in the wiki sounds good to me.
Some links have already been added (not by me) from the UGs to other
tutorials and items on the wiki or on other websites. (When I see
them, I check them to make sure they are legitimate and not spam.)
I'm not sure I like the
Is there any way to change the size of the checkboxes, option buttons,
and other symbols used in form controls? I haven't been able to find
it, but when using a checkbox (etc) in a form with large type in the
text, the size of the checkbox is very small by comparison.
I hope I'm just missing
the point size on the checkbox to any size you wish.
Alan
On 3/3/2010 4:10 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Is there any way to change the size of the checkboxes, option buttons,
and other symbols used in form controls? I haven't been able to find
it, but when using a checkbox (etc) in a form with large
. But not a form control checkbox. --Jean
deleeuw3 wrote:
ok. although usually i find there are cross-platform similarities in
design.
Alan
On 3/3/2010 5:50 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Um... this question was referring to creating forms in OOo Writer.
We're documenting OOo, so it's pretty
.
--Jean
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Clayton wrote:
On 02/01/2010 12:57 AM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
I propose to make delete Chapter 16 (Math Objects) from the Writer Guide
and make it into a stand-alone Math Guide. We've already made a Math
Guide on the wiki, but I have not yet pulled it out of the ODT and PDF
versions
I think what he is probably looking for is what OpenOffice.org calls a
text *frame*. I sent him a note about this offlist, referencing where
that info is located.
--Jean
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
On 02/03/10 23:18, Allen Wilson wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I really enjoy the
Several people have been talking recently about video tutorials, and
we have an ongoing discussion here about books (whether ODT, PDF, or
printed) vs wiki vs... whatever for delivery of docs.
My personal interest is in books in various forms: printed, PDF, and
e-books. Because I publish more
Mark Holian wrote:
Hi, If I can be of help writing the User Guide for OpenOffice I will. Thanks,
Mark
Welcome, Mark. The first thing to do is subscribe to this list, or you
won't see any replies. Send a blank email to
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are welcome to join in. And don't be shy about asking
questions on the list when things are unclear.
--Jean
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Kathy Thomas wrote:
My name is Kathy and I am interested in volunteering for Open Office as a
technical writer. I am available for any type of writing that is needed.
Please send me a note letting me know what needs to be done and how I can
get started.
Welcome, Kathy. The first thing to do
I hereby declare the 2nd edition of Getting Started with OOo3
published. The individual chapter files, in ODT and PDF, are on the
OOoAuthors site, and the PDFs are on the wiki. Later I'll put the ODTs
on the wiki too.
http://www.oooauthors.org/english/userguide3/gs3/V32_published
I hereby declare the 2nd edition of Getting Started with OOo3
published. The individual chapter files, in ODT and PDF, are on the
OOoAuthors site, and the PDFs are on the wiki. Later I'll put the ODTs
on the wiki too.
I have not yet updated all of the individual wiki pages, though I've
done
Recently I have been corresponding with two people (an instructional
designer and a university instructor of technical communication who is
looking for real-life writing projects for her students) about
producing tutorials or how-to's targeted at specific audience. These
docs would supplement
I propose to make delete Chapter 16 (Math Objects) from the Writer
Guide and make it into a stand-alone Math Guide. We've already made a
Math Guide on the wiki, but I have not yet pulled it out of the ODT
and PDF versions of the Writer Guide.
This proposed change is to help people find the
wrote (30-01-10 12:38)
Hi Jean,
Jean Hollis Weber wrote (30-01-10 05:31)
I am thoroughly confused about the choices for naming ranges in Calc.
Can someone clarify for me the difference between Insert Names
Define and Data Define Ranges? When should one or the other be
used? Are the results
I am thoroughly confused about the choices for naming ranges in Calc.
Can someone clarify for me the difference between Insert Names
Define and Data Define Ranges? When should one or the other be used?
Are the results different in functionality?
Thanks! --Jean
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
On 11/17/09 10:35, Cor Nouws wrote:
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote (17-11-2009 9:43)
I've imported the Calc page here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/nl/Makkelijk_overstappen_van_Excel_naar_Calc
The Writer page is here:
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
I've imported the Calc page here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/nl/Makkelijk_overstappen_van_Excel_naar_Calc
The Writer page is here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/nl/Makkelijk_overstappen_van_Word_naar_Writer
Nino Novak wrote:
Means that it can be transcluded from a Template and the transcluding
page will show its (path stripped) Subpagename as Page Title.
So it is not necessary to put the explicit displaytitle in every single
page (if it's been done only for stripping a Page's path).
Nino
(is
I'm not sure if the online_help list is still in use, as no one has
posted to it since March 2008. So I'm posting here as well as there.
I've been trying to work out some details about image maps. The
ImageMap Editor does not have a Help button, so I used the Help index
to try to find more
Nino Novak wrote:
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
Are
there any gotchas that anyone can think of with using relative
links? What about with transcluded content? The User Guides use a
lot of transluded pages
Where? I only once saw a transcluded content (AFAIR a function reference
page
ccornell - OpenOffice.org wrote:
I was asked to forward this to the Doc Project mailing list... maybe
someone here would be interested...
==
Pearson is seeking an author to write a beginning level OpenOffice book.
The author candidate also needs to be a skilled
bjoern michaelsen - Sun Microsystems - Hamburg Germany wrote:
I am suggesting to either:
- completely shut down user-faq.openoffice.org.
- or replace every page on it with a redirect to the wiki.
Rationale is that there are still deep links to this faq which has been
unmaintained for at least
Clayton wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Clayton may correct me on this, but I believe that this page, and all
the associated PDF files, are on our list for migration to the wiki, as
part of a general rationalisation of the way documentation is provided.
That is, the user guides, like
I'm copying a recent comment from issue 102393 regarding the draft
Installation Guide for OOo3.x, in the hope of getting some feedback
from a wider range of people on this list. Especially someone with Mac
OOo knowledge re item 5. --Jean
1) the guide does not mention the extensibility of OOo
I would like to draw to the attention of any interested members of
this list (who may not be on the CC list for the issue itself) to the
draft Installation Guide for OOo 3.x (which replaces the Setup Guide
for OOo 2.x):
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=102393
In my last edit
T. J. Frazier wrote:
Clayton wrote:
May be it's an idea to use ISO date in the documentation written in
English ?
[snip]
-MM-DD HH:MM
[snip]
My thoughts on this... if we do switch to ISO8601 date formats, then we
would need to be explicit about it - stating exactly what date
kirk wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Regina has identified some significant problems with Chapter 7
(Functions and Formulas) of the draft Calc Guide, but she does not
have the time to revise it. The chapter probably needs major
restructuring as well as other revision.
I do not have
Nino Novak wrote:
Does anybody know if there is any download statistics for the documents
located on oooauthors? Or their wiki derivates? Or any other
derivates/mirror sites? Sold books? and so on.
The stats project seems to be a little out of date. I did not find any
doc related infos there
Joe Smith wrote:
Would anyone be able to respond to my question here?
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?p=106565#p106565
What's the best channel for asking such questions about the doc content?
The best place to ask about document content is here (the OOoAuthors
list
kirk wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Regina has identified some significant problems with Chapter 7
(Functions and Formulas) of the draft Calc Guide, but she does not
have the time to revise it. The chapter probably needs major
restructuring as well as other revision.
[...]
If someone has
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Nino Novak wrote:
As I didn't succeed in putting one of the Documentation/... templates
into a numbered list without breaking list order, I created a
simplified version:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:TEST/Doc/Note
which seems to work pretty well
Nino Novak wrote:
On Monday 14 September 2009 23:45, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Nino Novak wrote:
On Monday 14 September 2009 22:34, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Nino,
The Note code in other chapters seems to work fine with lists, so
my suggestion above about a bug seems to be wrong.
Can you show
Nino Novak wrote:
Clayton wrote:
As for the different structure... is this because you've found a
better way to present the information?
E.g. Chapter 6 (Data pilot) of the Calc Guide has been written in German
from scratch, it's not a translation at all.
:-) The English version of that
Nino Novak wrote:
On Friday 11 September 2009 13:17, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Nino Novak wrote:
Clayton wrote:
As for the different structure... is this because you've found a
better way to present the information?
E.g. Chapter 6 (Data pilot) of the Calc Guide has been written in
German from
Regina has identified some significant problems with Chapter 7
(Functions and Formulas) of the draft Calc Guide, but she does not
have the time to revise it. The chapter probably needs major
restructuring as well as other revision.
I do not have the knowledge or experience to revise it myself
Nino Novak wrote:
Clayton wrote:
One of the big reasons we moved/pushed towards using the Wiki for
docs is.. to try and get more community involvement...
The example I have is the DevGuide. ... With this doc in the
Wiki, it is subject to a steady stream of edits by developers and
community
Gary Schnabl wrote:
If anybody wants a DocBook 4.5 or DocBook 5.x templates, I could do a
Structured FrameMaker implementation of them as I already produced the
FrameMaker EDD files from the DocBook 4.5 and 5.0 DTDs, although Norman
Walsh never completed the DTD for the current DocBook 5.0
Gary posted this to the Authors list, so I'm forwarding it here where the
discussion is taking place.
Original Message
Subject: [authors] fm for Macintosh or UNIX available cheap
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:44:27 -0400
From: Gary Schnabl gschn...@swdetroit.com
To:
Original Message
Subject: Re: [authors] fm for Macintosh or UNIX available cheap
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:01:58 -0400
From: Gary Schnabl gschn...@swdetroit.com
To: auth...@user-faq.openoffice.org
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Gary Schnabl wrote:
BTW, FrameMaker 7.0 is available
Gary,
Regardless of the merits of your case, *someone* would have to do all the things
that need to be done. Choose a DTD, modify it as needed, configure whatever
needs configuing, set everything up to work smoothly, and then actually produce
output in needed formats from the source files. Are
T. J. Frazier wrote:
I left more comments on the Talk page, in hopes the user will see and
respond, to improve our indexing.
BTW, the link (on the Math page) to plan-b etc., points to a currently
free, proposed for-pay support site. This may be a web-ghost: judging by
their get-OOo link, which
Nino Novak wrote:
AFAIK h1-level headers are obsolete for wiki articles (at least in
wikipedia).
In the (english) documentation (WG2) h1 is used nevertheless, at least
in some articles I read so far. The MediaWiki export filter output also
uses h1 as top level.
Bug or intention?
The
Nino Novak wrote:
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 12:39, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
, but sometimes
when a section started by a H1 is very short, I keep 2 or 3 of them
on one wiki page. Then I have to decide whether to change the other
H1s into H2s.
(As for me, I'd prefer to put them
Elder Dan Lewis wrote:
I have recently spent some time studying Mid level tutorial for Base
Parts I-III. [...]
the proposed Chapter 3 of the Base Guide could be modified to include
instructions on how to use the combination of the Table Wizard, Design
View, and SQL when creating and
Instead of just adding a comment to this issue, I will comment here, because I
think others on this list may have useful input.
This issue originated in May 2006 with a translation from a French document, but
an English version was never finished. Meanwhile, Dan Lewis wrote a chapter
(Getting
The info in this draft document (from 2006) is covered in a similar way in the
Getting Started with Base chapter of the Getting Started Guide, although the
sample database created is different.
I recommend we close this issue.
--Jean
As it appears nothing has been done on this issue, despite someone saying in
2007 that they were going to, I recommend we close this issue. The info is
covered in the Writer Guide.
--Jean
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This info is now on the wiki, here (for 2.4)
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Getting_Started/Exporting_files
and here (for 3.x)
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Getting_Started/Exporting_to_PDF
However, it's
From the documentation point of view, the only thing we can do is put some
pointers to places where people can get clipart and tell them how to get it into
the Gallery. The user guide chapters on graphics (esp. the one in Getting
Started) talk about the Gallery but not about clipart.
If
I added a section to the Contributor's 101 wiki page describing some of the ways
people can contribute. It's a bit long, and perhaps should be edited down a bit,
but I want to encourage people to think about the range of possibilities.
Clayton wrote:
Spotted a problem with transcluding the pages... if you browse the Math
doc, everything looks fine.. the TOC works, the breadcrumbs work etc.
If you edit and save you end up at the root/source of the transcluded
page. That means you're dropped out of the Documentation/OOo3 User
Ouch! I hope Clayton takes it easy and gets well soon.
The problem TJ reported has occurred before with some pages translated into
French. In Clayton's absence, I've been looking for the way to cancel the
redirect (while leaving the French page intact), but so far I haven't found it.
I don't
Earlier, I wrote:
The problem TJ reported has occurred before with some pages translated into
French. In Clayton's absence, I've been looking for the way to cancel the
redirect (while leaving the French page intact), but so far I haven't found it.
I don't know if I have the authority to fix
Clayton,
Thanks for the instructions, which I will file for future reference. What you
did was approximately what I thought I should do, but I had failed to find the
redirect page when I was looking before.
I'm sure the translator meant to copy the page, not move it. Probably s/he finds
some
Thanks for reporting the problem. Should be okay now. Sorry for the delay in
fixing this (and for causing the problem in the first place). Both Clayton and I
were away last week.
--Jean
Sgauti wrote:
Hi,
Some links to the pdf files for the Calc Guide seems to be broken, could
some body
Once again I'm heading off without laptop for a week. I'll be reading my email
at least once a day, but not answering very much of it -- typing on an iPhone is
not my idea of fun.
--Jean
Draft of Self-publishing using OpenOffice.org 3 Writer now online for comment.
Sorry, Per and others... I did not find time today to review the Setup Guide as
I said I would. I'll try to do it tomorrow.
--Jean
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I don't understand why the title and contents of the so-called Setup Guide
(issue 102393) should be different from the download and installation
instructions page on the OOo website. The info might be presented a little bit
differently to suit web or PDF, but they cover much the same topics.
Per Eriksson wrote:
Hey, I just got an idea. Maybe we should stop being old fashioned and
show the user how to unpack and install using the graphical side of the
operating system? I bet 90% of all the users have a graphical
environment even if they like to code...
I propose to change these
Can I get a list of wiki pages in the Calc Guide that have content on their
discussion pages? If so, how?
--Jean
(still learning how to use the wiki, so please excuse possible dumb questions
like this)
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Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Can I get a list of wiki pages in the Calc Guide that have content on
their discussion pages? If so, how?
found it (wiht a nudge from one of the guys on teh MediaWiki mailing list)
- Go to Special Pages All pages
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org
By coincidence, just today I discovered that this Discussion page
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Talk:Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Base_Guide/Planning
is redirected to User:Foral/JA/Documentation/2.3
I don't know how to revert the page to the correct contents, which is a
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