On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 01:16:43PM +0300, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
> The only Windows that no longer supports 32-bit systems is Windows
> Server. So the obsolescence of Windows 7 and XP is irrelevant.
I'm not talking about *old* hardware here, which obviously works as well
now as it did before. I
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 3:29 PM Alek Paunov wrote:
>
> On 2020-06-30 14:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> > Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so
> > feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be
> > bad, how it might affect the distribution
On 7/2/20 12:55 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
Lennart,
We don't need more systemd-bloat just to boot our systems. However your
bootloader works, it doesn't really matter if it's not up to snuff with GRUB2.
When it supports LUKS, LVM, LUKS+LVM, a recovery console and several
filesystems, then
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:19 AM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
wrote:
>
> On 30.6.2020 22:38, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> >> sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight
> >> compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier
> >> to main
On 2.7.2020 10:16, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 21:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Solomon Peachy writes:
Even putting that aside, for the past several years CSM/BIOS has
been
slowly bitrotting due to a lack of real testing, as the last few
Windows
releases have mandated use
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 1:55 AM John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:30:37 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with them,
> > > so I have
On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 4:06 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
wrote:
>
> On 01.07.2020 23:00, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > We still can't use NVIDIA proprietary drivers on UEFI because Fedora's
> > kernel configuration is too strict for that. I personally consider it
> > a good thing, but that's a problem for
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 21:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Solomon Peachy writes:
>
> > Even putting that aside, for the past several years CSM/BIOS has
> > been
> > slowly bitrotting due to a lack of real testing, as the last few
> > Windows
> > releases have mandated use of UEFI for preinstalle
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:50:05PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> Red Hat probably doesn't care because most server users are not using
> UEFI yet.
That statement is false. UEFI is absolutely important to server users.
> That proportion goes down a lot as people transition from on
> premise
On 01.07.2020 23:00, Neal Gompa wrote:
> We still can't use NVIDIA proprietary drivers on UEFI because Fedora's
> kernel configuration is too strict for that. I personally consider it
> a good thing, but that's a problem for others.
NVIDIA proprietary drivers from RPM Fusion repository works absol
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:30:37 AM MST Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
>
> > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with them,
> > so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra
> > maintenance
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 6:32:15 AM MST Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 01.07.2020 o 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones pisze:
>
>
> > If you mean migration of existing guests, then you need to repartition
> > them and reinstall the bootloader. I doubt anyone has a practical
> > idea of how to do th
On Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:26:48 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> On 1.7.2020 17:17, Peter Robinson wrote:
> >> The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change
> >> themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no
> >> tool that can do that f
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 10:08 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
wrote:
>
> On 2.7.2020 01:42, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
> > wrote:
> >> On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
> >>> wrote:
> On
On 2.7.2020 01:42, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:
Jóhann
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:23 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
> On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
> > wrote:
> >> On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:
> Jóhann B. Guðmundss
On 2.7.2020 01:06, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change
kern
Solomon Peachy writes:
Even putting that aside, for the past several years CSM/BIOS has been
slowly bitrotting due to a lack of real testing, as the last few Windows
releases have mandated use of UEFI for preinstalled systems, plus the
EOLing of Windows 7 and (especially) XP.
That's only becau
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:03 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
> On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:
> >> Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> >>> More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change
> >>> kernel entry, which go
On 1.7.2020 23:28, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change
kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change )
This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo
On 1.7.2020 23:18, Björn Persson wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change
kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change )
This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user
interface was nothing but
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 7:19 PM Björn Persson wrote:
>
> Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> > More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change
> > kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change )
>
> This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> More user friendly than Grub ( has lilo like interface easier to change
> kernel entry, which goes nicely with the default editor change )
This made me go "What?!". I used Lilo back in the day. Its user
interface was nothing but a prompt. You had to know what to typ
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> Such proposal would never be about stop supporting older hardware that's
> just a misconception people are getting
When you write "stop supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to
uefi only supported boot", then you shouldn't be too surprised if people
believ
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 6:45 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
> On 1.7.2020 21:50, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
> > wrote:
> >> On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
> >>> wrote:
> On 1
On 1.7.2020 21:50, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
wrote:
On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragus
I've got a pair of admittedly old desktop machines that are BIOS-only that run
Fedora 32 just fine. No reason they can't continue to run Fedora into the
future - unless BIOS boot is eliminated.
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:51 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
> The core of it is that nobody cares. It comes up at least once or
> twice every development cycle in the Workstation Working Group
> meetings, but there's nothing we can do. Sometimes I'll get bullshit
> answers from people. Sometimes they'll just
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 5:29 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
> On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
> > wrote:
> >> On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> I'm
On 1.7.2020 21:39, Ricky Zhang wrote:
I second your point.
I don't see any upside to discontinue support of legacy BIOS. Even my latest
machine support legacy BIOS. UEFI caused more headache to me than bringing in
any real positive user experiences.
What headache exactly? You had bad user ex
On 1.7.2020 20:31, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 6/30/20 3:34 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop
supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only
supported boot
I second your point.
I don't see any upside to discontinue support of legacy BIOS. Even my latest
machine support legacy BIOS. UEFI caused more headache to me than bringing in
any real positive user experiences.
Fix all your bugs not even securities bugs before you concern the securities
featu
No, I strongly disagree your proposal.
Don't break something that works. I have several home machines installing in
legacy BIOS way.
I have followed upgrade path **SMOOTHLY** from Fedora Core 14 up to Fedora 32
today.
Your change will break my dual-boot / multi-boot machines.
Please don't.
On 1.7.2020 21:00, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
wrote:
On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on
fresh new machines,
T
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 12:34 PM Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
wrote:
>
> On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> >> I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on
> >> fresh new machines,
> > This won't be the case
On 7/1/20 6:10 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on
fresh new machines,
This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM
("BIOS") support this year.
Even
On 6/30/20 3:34 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot which
has been available on any common in
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, at 9:34 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
> it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
> booting in legacy bios mode
Among other clouds, AWS doesn't support it and has no pl
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 17:26, Adam Williamson
wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 16:23 +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> > W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson pisze:
> > > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
> > > changes it beg the question if now would not
On 1.7.2020 17:17, Peter Robinson wrote:
The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change
themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no
tool that can do that for them or migrate those settings however users
should be able to change this for hardw
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 16:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> > > I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even
> > > on
> > > fresh new machines,
> > This won't be
On Mi, 01.07.20 18:31, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > One problem with sd-boot is that the kernels must stay on the ESP, which
> > > can be a problem for dual-boot installs (where Fedora has to run with
> > > the existing ESP and can't just create one which is big enouth).
> >
> >
> The use of legacy or uefi are changes that users have to manually change
> themselves in their bios from manufactures default settings. There is no
> tool that can do that for them or migrate those settings however users
> should be able to change this for hardware around 2010.
>
> The Installer
Hi,
> Also note that this entails a lot more work then just maintaining sd-boot,
> anaconda will need to be adjusted, kernel-install scripts will need to
> be adjusted, etc. And what about upgrades, if upgrades stick with using grub2
> then now we have 3 bootloader configs, including things like
On Wed, 2020-07-01 at 16:30 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with
> > them,
> > so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra
> > maintenance load t
On 1.7.2020 16:10, Solomon Peachy wrote:
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on
fresh new machines,
This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM
("BIOS") support this year.
Even
> > One problem with sd-boot is that the kernels must stay on the ESP, which
> > can be a problem for dual-boot installs (where Fedora has to run with
> > the existing ESP and can't just create one which is big enouth).
>
> Nah, that's not true. Hasn't been for quite a while.
>
> sd-boot checks f
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:19:01PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> I'm currently using BIOS, grub, grub2 basically everywhere, even on
> fresh new machines,
This won't be the case for much longer; Intel will finally drop CSM
("BIOS") support this year.
Even putting that aside, for the past sever
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:36 PM Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
> On Mi, 01.07.20 13:14, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure if this is completely fair, it's true that GRUB's blscfg
> > module diverged from the spec by adding support for variables but it
> > can als
On 2020-06-30 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so feedback
can be collected for the future on why such a change might be bad, how it might
affect the distribution and scope of such change can be determined for
potential sys
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:35 PM Robbie Harwood wrote:
> Igor Raits writes:
>
>
> I think this is the only path forward that can actually work. Without
> tooling, the only real way to "migrate" from legacy to UEFI is to
> reinstall the operating system - much love to anaconda, but that's not
>
On Mi, 01.07.20 13:14, Javier Martinez Canillas (jav...@dowhile0.org) wrote:
> I'm not sure if this is completely fair, it's true that GRUB's blscfg
> module diverged from the spec by adding support for variables but it
> can also parse BLS snippets that follow the spec verbatim.
You missed the p
On Mi, 01.07.20 14:45, Hans de Goede (hdego...@redhat.com) wrote:
> I'm not in the bootloader-team, but I do work very closely with them,
> so I have only one question: who is going to pick up the extra
> maintenance load this is going to cause ?
There are distros already using it. And so far we
On 2020-06-30 14:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Share your thoughts and comments on how such move might affect you so
feedback can be collected for the future on why such a change might be
bad, how it might affect the distribution and scope of such change can
be determined for potential syste
On Mi, 01.07.20 00:38, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
> In addition, as far as I know, systemd-boot is not compatible with the
> "Secure Boot" shim.
You are wrong. It is.
Lennart
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W dniu 01.07.2020 o 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones pisze:
> If you mean migration of existing guests, then you need to repartition
> them and reinstall the bootloader. I doubt anyone has a practical
> idea of how to do that either manually or automatically.
Add second drive with 32-64MB size. Create
Hi,
On 6/30/20 8:29 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
it beg the question if now would not be the time to st
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:37 AM Lennart Poettering wrote:
[snip]
>
> My suggestion would be: don't standardize on boot loaders, standardize
> on the boot loader spec. And I mean, the real boot loader spec, i.e
Agreed. In part that's already the case for Fedora, since now besides
GRUB the zipl (
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:27:45PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:00:00PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > * Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> >
> > > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
> > > changes it beg the question if now would not be the
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:25:58PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 30.06.2020 o 16:20, Tom Hughes via devel pisze:
> > On 30/06/2020 15:00, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >> * Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> >>
> >>> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
> >>> changes it b
On 1.7.2020 09:36, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Di, 30.06.20 19:15, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote:
Hi,
So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for
virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world
is taking. So we're not likely to have any
On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 12:01:08PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 01.07.2020 11:28, Alexey A. wrote:
> > Stop using the L-word, please: BIOS is not "legacy", it's just
> > alternative way (one of many).
>
> Using BIOS boot on UEFI-compatible systems is a legacy, because it works
> und
On 01.07.2020 11:28, Alexey A. wrote:
> Stop using the L-word, please: BIOS is not "legacy", it's just
> alternative way (one of many).
Using BIOS boot on UEFI-compatible systems is a legacy, because it works
under the CSM compatibly layer.
More information about CSM you can find here:
https://ww
On Di, 30.06.20 19:15, Gerd Hoffmann (kra...@redhat.com) wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > > So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for
> > > virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world
> > > is taking. So we're not likely to have any choice and will have to
> > >
>legacy BIOS
Stop using the L-word, please: BIOS is not "legacy", it's just alternative
way (one of many). All my laptops use BIOS, by the way.
ср, 1 июл. 2020 г. в 18:26, Leigh Scott :
> Has UEFI support improved in the last 2 - 3 years?
> My last experience with it was so poor on a multi-boot
Has UEFI support improved in the last 2 - 3 years?
My last experience with it was so poor on a multi-boot system I switched to
legacy and haven't bothered trying it since.
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Yes...Dropping support for BIOS will enable us to switch to
systemd-boot, which is the benefit. But just out of curiosity, what is
the benefit of switching from GRUB to systemd-boot.
Dropping support for 32-bit x86 surely can make maintainers be free
from one old platform (and less package to comp
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 2:55:42 PM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning
> >> to
> >> Fedora [1]
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 1:20:18 PM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight
> compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier
> to maintain ).
Sure, gummiboot is more lightweight than GRUB. It also doesn't supp
On 30.6.2020 22:38, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight
compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier
to maintain ).
And that is exactly the problem, systemd-boot has only a small fraction o
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
> it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
> booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot which
> has been available on any common intel based x86 pl
On 30.6.2020 22:31, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 21:55 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from
coming/returning
to
Fedor
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> sd-boot is already installed on end users system, is light weight
> compared to Grub ( sd-boot only supports uefi,smaller code size, easier
> to maintain ).
And that is exactly the problem, systemd-boot has only a small fraction of
the feature set of GRUB. That is w
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 21:55 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> > > Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from
> > > coming/returning
> > > to
> > > Fedora [1].
> > >
> > >
On 30.6.2020 21:14, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning
to
Fedora [1].
Bottom line I think this will be a good move for the distribution and
a
good time to start looking int
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 20:32 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
>
> Grub discourages users who have tried sd-boot from coming/returning
> to
> Fedora [1].
>
> Bottom line I think this will be a good move for the distribution and
> a
> good time to start looking into and make that move.
>
>
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:34:42PM -0400, Robbie Harwood wrote:
> Igor Raits writes:
>
> > On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> >
[snip]
> > I think there are many people still install OS in the legacy mode, but
> > I don't really have numbers. One thing we should
On 30.6.2020 19:22, Robbie Harwood wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson writes:
On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
it beg the question if now would
On 30.6.2020 18:32, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:29:13 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
On 30.6.2020 18:45, Reindl Harald (privat) wrote:
Am 30.06.20 um 20:29 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
it be
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson writes:
> On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>>> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
>>> it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
On 6/30/20 11:38 AM, Tom Seewald wrote:
> The primary areas of concern I have about Fedora dropping grub2 and BIOS boot
> support are:
nicely summarized.
> 4. Support documentation for sd-boot
>
> Would this result in changes to how users access the boot menu, select a boot
> entry, or edit th
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Seewald wrote:
>
> > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
> > it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
> > booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot which
> > has been available
> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
> it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
> booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot which
> has been available on any common intel based x86 platform since atleast
> 20
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 11:29:13 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> >> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
> >> it beg the question if no
On 30.6.2020 17:49, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
booting in legacy bios mode and move to u
Adam Williamson píše v Út 30. 06. 2020 v 08:25 -0700:
> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 16:23 +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> > W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson pisze:
> > > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
> > > changes it beg the question if now would not b
On 30.6.2020 17:47, Robbie Harwood wrote:
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson writes:
On 30.6.2020 13:56, Igor Raits wrote:
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
changes it beg the question if now would not be the ti
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 7:00:00 AM MST Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
>
>
> > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
> > changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop
> > supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only s
On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 6:34:27 AM MST Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream changes
> it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop supporting
> booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only supported boot which
> has bee
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson writes:
> On 30.6.2020 13:56, Igor Raits wrote:
>> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>>>
>>> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
>>> changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop
>>> supporting boot
On 30.6.2020 17:15, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
Hi,
So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for
virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world
is taking. So we're not likely to have any choice and will have to
work to mitigate any downsides it brings.
Rig
W dniu 30.06.2020 o 16:40, Daniel P. Berrangé pisze:
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:32:44PM +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
>> Can we also default to Q35 and forget that i440fx existed?
>>
>> Do all the pain in one step.
> That's upto the various mgmt apps using libvirt to decide. Q35
> is *NOT*
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 19:15 +0200, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > > So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for
> > > virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world
> > > is taking. So we're not likely to have any choice and will have to
> > > work to
Igor Raits writes:
> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 13:34 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
>
>> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
>> changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop
>> supporting booting in legacy bios mode and move to uefi only
>> supporte
W dniu 30.06.2020 o 17:25, Adam Williamson pisze:
> On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 16:23 +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
>> W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson pisze:
>>> Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
>>> changes it beg the question if now would not be the tim
Hi,
> > So I can't say I'm thrilled about a future that depends on EFI for
> > virt, but I'm resigned to the fact this is the direction the world
> > is taking. So we're not likely to have any choice and will have to
> > work to mitigate any downsides it brings.
>
> Right.
>
> Preferably the i
On 30.6.2020 14:27, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:00:00PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
* Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop
supporting booting in legacy b
On 6/30/20 8:24 AM, nick...@gmail.com wrote:
> I've never tried UEFI in a VM, and I have no idea how stable it is.
IME, works well in a variety of hypervisors; atm, my 'exploration' of Fedora32
is running solely in VirtualBox VMs ... booted UEFI.
That said, their a lots of providers that have th
On Tue, 2020-06-30 at 16:23 +0200, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> W dniu 30.06.2020 o 15:34, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson pisze:
> > Given Hans proposal [1] introduced systemd/grub2/Gnome upstream
> > changes it beg the question if now would not be the time to stop
> > supporting booting in legacy bios mode
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