Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Minor bug in forum (was in previous one too). If you get an error from posting a message due to eg malformed email address then you are unable to submit a post again after correcting the error (because you tried to post too recently).
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Maybe we should add link to D page on SO in left menu?
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Cool. Something changed? Layout is much better now. BTW unsent drafts stack up.
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On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 15:59:07 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Cool. Something changed? Layout is much better now. Not sure what you mean. BTW unsent drafts stack up. Yes. You can discard them after you open them.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 17:53:43 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://abload.de/img/tmp67se8.png Previously looked like this: http://abload.de/img/tmpkbqjv.png
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
http://abload.de/img/tmp67se8.png
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On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 17:53:43 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://abload.de/img/tmp67se8.png That's the mobile view. You zoomed in, or made your browser window smaller. Zoom out or make your browser window bigger.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 16:26:53 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Saturday, 20 June 2015 at 15:59:07 UTC, Kagamin wrote: Cool. Something changed? Layout is much better now. Not sure what you mean. The left panel and pads disappeared.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Maybe somebody already asked about it, but is there any plans to migrate forum to vibed?
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On Tuesday, 16 June 2015 at 06:42:43 UTC, Suliman wrote: Maybe somebody already asked about it, but is there any plans to migrate forum to vibed? See here: http://forum.dlang.org/post/eilpqzfudiewdqsro...@beta.forum.dlang.org
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
I think to better move this to bottom http://img.ctrlv.in/img/15/06/16/557fcd265df16.png this stat info is not so important to show it's on top
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. feels like a mobile site which is bad on a 1440p screen.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Monday, 15 June 2015 at 07:45:56 UTC, Kagamin wrote: http://abload.de/img/tmphersb.png Maybe show full thread titles? They are weird when abbreviated. Yes it would be nice. On my phone titles are too short.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Can you make the breadcrumb links at the top of the forum larger? They're a little too small for easy navigation.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Congratulations on an excellent result, Vladimir. It may sound silly, but when you are pointing someone who doesn't know about technology to the benefits of D, saying check out this forum and compare the speed to what you are used to, it's a simple illustration that makes quite vivid the point that even in domains where supposedly speed doesn't matter, it actually does (and D can help get there). People have a hard time believing something till they see it.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
http://abload.de/img/tmphersb.png Maybe show full thread titles? They are weird when abbreviated.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Too ugly.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Some strange things on the main site after update: http://i.imgur.com/MSYjmjZ.png
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On Wednesday, 10 June 2015 at 00:30:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Any objections against updating forum.dlang.org on Sunday or so? It has started. Super!
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Sunday, 14 June 2015 at 17:10:41 UTC, tired_eyes wrote: Some strange things on the main site after update: http://i.imgur.com/MSYjmjZ.png Fixed
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Sunday, 14 June 2015 at 18:07:29 UTC, Temtaime wrote: Too ugly. In case you're referring to the CSS problem some people were seeing, that's fixed now (after someone actually told me there was a problem).
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Sunday, 14 June 2015 at 20:51:54 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Sunday, 14 June 2015 at 17:10:41 UTC, tired_eyes wrote: Some strange things on the main site after update: http://i.imgur.com/MSYjmjZ.png Fixed Yeah, new forum looks very nice.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ messages sent to DMD-Internals don't seem to be appearing in the beta site. Mike
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 11 June 2015 at 22:42:53 UTC, Mike wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ messages sent to DMD-Internals don't seem to be appearing in the beta site. Yes, this is specific to the beta site - it is not set up to receive live emails from the mailing list.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
There is no possibility, as before to stretch the field for the bottom right corner: http://i.imgur.com/IEVjs6v.png
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Any objections against updating forum.dlang.org on Sunday or so?
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 6/9/15 5:30 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Any objections against updating forum.dlang.org on Sunday or so? Let's. Thanks for the awesome work! -- Andrei
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Any chance of transferring the viewed status (i.e. bold for unread) of posts over from the old version?
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Monday, 8 June 2015 at 10:41:19 UTC, John Colvin wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Any chance of transferring the viewed status (i.e. bold for unread) of posts over from the old version? That is one reason why i asked about a mark as read functionality of entire threads..
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Monday, 8 June 2015 at 10:41:19 UTC, John Colvin wrote: Any chance of transferring the viewed status (i.e. bold for unread) of posts over from the old version? No, as the post indices are different. But they will be preserved when forum.dlang.org is updated.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:45:58 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: It may be that we have lost potential participants because they clicked away from the page within seconds of realising there was no oauth (I definitely would). It's doable but just seems a little overkill to me. Every time I looked into implementing OAuth I was swamped by how overly complicated it was (or maybe I just never found a succint-enough description). AFAIK, Nick wanted to write OAuth support library in D. That's kind of an eventual todo item for the InstaUser library (currently DAuth, but changing the name though to avoid confusion with OAuth). There's other higher-priority think I intend to do on the lib first. So if anyone want to beat to it, feel free. :)
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 20:54:50 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: The reply count number is now a secret link to the thread. Awesome. :) This combined with the other beta changes, and I think the new beta forum is a very nice improvement over the current one, even though the 0 reply link was my only real issue with the current one.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Much nicer reading posting from mobile browser. Thanks! :-)
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 2015-06-05 14:57, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. Although Markdown's goal is to be readable in its plain text source code, it still allows many situations in which the source is misleading or difficult to understand. For example, special characters need to be escaped by a backslash, which can create confusion in the presence of other special characters. (Are they part of the D syntax the user is describing, or something else?) Some syntax such as tables or images can also be not very readable in source form. Some people are already sending something that looks like Markdown, i.e. ``` for code blocks. Even your post can be rendered as Markdown. 2. How should we render messages sent by NNTP/mailing-list users? Do we just assume that they're sending Markdown and render it as such? This can cause the messages to appear broken to forum users. Or do we only render Markdown if the post was sent from the forum? This means that when NNTP/ML users quote forum users' text it will be shown as plain text. 3. There is no unified standard for Markdown. The original format is not used on major sites today - StackOverflow and GitHub extend the format, and users will expect Markdown with those extensions. That standard would be the one GibHub uses. 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. A preview button/view would (hopefully) solve that. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 2015-06-05 03:45, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: It's doable but just seems a little overkill to me. Every time I looked into implementing OAuth I was swamped by how overly complicated it was (or maybe I just never found a succint-enough description). What about hooking up Github accounts or something similar? -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 2015-06-04 17:04, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Unfortunately I'm a bit disappointed. I mostly use the forum on my phone and to me it's barley any improvement at all. The problem I see are: * The font is too small in portrait mode. It's good in landscape mode * The two (index) and three columns (viewing a group) views don't really work. They truncate too much of the text. Perhaps using a different layout that is more suitable for phones could be used * All links except that ones inline in a post is too small. The breadcrumbs, settings, help and the pager. It's mostly the pager that is important * It looks like the site decreases the font size when the window gets more narrow, is that really necessary? Perhaps that's why I think the font size is too small in portrait mode * Still no pager on top :( . This is not just on the phone * I don't think it's necessary on a desktop size that page stretches out and uses the complete width. I think most responsive site has some form of max width on the page. At some point it's not necessary to increase the width any more, it just adds unnecessary whitespace The combination of a too small font size a too small pager is why I'm so disappointed. If I need to zoom on a responsive site the whole responsiveness has failed On the plus side, the links inline in the posts seem to be properly wrapped now and doesn't break the layout :) I'm using an iPhone 6, the smaller one. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 2015-06-05 03:37, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: Except for the bold part, believe it or not, it's exactly the same font as we use on dlang.org, size and all (Verdana 14px). And as for the bold part, it doesn't look so bad on Windows, so what does that say about the famed OS X font rendering? :D I think it looks good (both in Firefox and Safari), the same as on form.dlang.org, just bigger. -- /Jacob Carlborg
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Before I forget: avatar photo covers text. http://imgur.com/8r679dX -- Andrei
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Saturday, 6 June 2015 at 16:02:23 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Before I forget: avatar photo covers text. http://imgur.com/8r679dX -- Andrei I think it's otherwise! :) Matheus.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Am 05.06.2015 um 02:01 schrieb Vladimir Panteleev: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 21:10:13 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote: I don't know how things are now, but when I tried to move to Vibe.d (which was several years ago), you had to do some strange acrobatics in order to read the same connection in one fiber but write to it from another. In ae.net, reads are handled by callbacks, and all writes are delayed (data is queued and sent when the socket loop says the socket is writable), which means there is no contention and you can write to any socket from anywhere in the program (as long as it's in the same thread). This has been solved in the meantime. Reads and writes can now occur concurrently in different fibers. Good to know. What about writing from multiple fibers to the same connection (e.g. an IRC client that needs to send PINGs from a timer fiber and also announce events coming from other fibers)? IIRC a connection's input/output streams needed to be explicitly associated with a fiber? You'd need to use a TaskMutex to serialize access to the connection in that case, but no explicit ownership management is needed (that has actually been removed from the API back then). I was thinking about making this the default behavior, though (instead of throwing an assertion error for mutual write access). After all that's what happens with normal blocking I/O and threads, too.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ When writing reply you click `Save and preview`: URL changes from http://beta.forum.dlang.org/reply/sqqngcfwtkhxeoiqn...@beta.forum.dlang.org to http://beta.forum.dlang.org/send. As does text at the top of the page (`Index » Announce » forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA) » Post reply` - `Index » Posting error`).
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:52:07 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:48:20 UTC, Meta wrote: How feasible is it to add code formatting for the web interface? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean syntax highlighting for D code? If you mean the rewrapping issues with forum.dlang.org, those should be fixed now. Code (and other text with hard line breaks) should be sent and displayed as-is. How about markdown support? It can have completely client-side implementation.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
Am 04.06.2015 um 17:27 schrieb Vladimir Panteleev: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:23:04 UTC, Sönke Ludwig wrote: The left navigation bar doesn't use the same snap in/out style like the main page - is that on purpose? That's the only thing that makes it feel a little alien within the rest of the site. Sorry, I'm not following. What do you mean by snap in/out style? I did deal away with expandable menus, as there are not enough items to warrant the accordions, and tweaked the CSS accordingly. Exactly, that's what I meant. The styling of the snapped out groups is quite formative to the overall look. But even if those are dropped, maybe at least the selection styling could be kept (make all 's red by default and use a background color, plus possibly a right arrow to indicate the selection). Right now it looks fine on its own, but it just doesn't quite feel like part of a uniform site.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 04.06.2015 17:04, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Great stuff! I just clicked randomly at some news group and noticed that pretty old posts are shown at the top as 1 day ago in the beta forum: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/group/beta
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:38:57 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:33:56 UTC, extrawurst wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Wow its insanely fast! i have some issues with the shortcuts. i have a german keyboard and ? is Shift+.. combo and i cant open the shortcut help. Code in question: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed/blob/next/web/static/js/dfeed.js#L645-L646 Can you propose a patch? Also in split mode there is no mention of a mark as read shortcut, is there none? There is none, just press Enter to load the post, which will mark it as read. It shouldn't be much slower. If the thread is more than one page it is actually very much slower, cause one has to go through all pages.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. I now love the j,k shortcuts. but is it possible to go to the next page of messages instead of wrapping around the same page when reaching upper/lower bound ?
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:53:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, June 05, 2015 09:16:29 sigod via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:52:07 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:48:20 UTC, Meta wrote: How feasible is it to add code formatting for the web interface? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean syntax highlighting for D code? If you mean the rewrapping issues with forum.dlang.org, those should be fixed now. Code (and other text with hard line breaks) should be sent and displayed as-is. How about markdown support? It can have completely client-side implementation. Remember that the forum software is just a frontend for an nntp server and that others view the content via nntp or via the mailing list. This just scares off users who doesn't have experience with all this stuff. And I believe now there's much more users, who doesn't even heard of NNTP, than whose who worked with it. So, it doesn't make any sense to support features that involve anything other than plain text. It would just result in garbage/cruft in the messages for those viewing it elsewhere than the forums. Markdown in a raw format is very readable. As for me, it's easier to read raw markdown than mix of text and code. So, while it might be nice to have markdown if we were dealing purely with forum software, we're not, so it doesn't make sense. I don't see a reason why forum cannot have features on it's own. Especially, when this features won't significantly affect other ways to access the same information.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 11:28:41 UTC, Kagamin wrote: The beta forum doesn't look plaintext. It's still plain text. It just parses format=flowed now (in addition to emitting it).
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, June 05, 2015 09:16:29 sigod via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:52:07 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:48:20 UTC, Meta wrote: How feasible is it to add code formatting for the web interface? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean syntax highlighting for D code? If you mean the rewrapping issues with forum.dlang.org, those should be fixed now. Code (and other text with hard line breaks) should be sent and displayed as-is. How about markdown support? It can have completely client-side implementation. Remember that the forum software is just a frontend for an nntp server and that others view the content via nntp or via the mailing list. So, it doesn't make any sense to support features that involve anything other than plain text. It would just result in garbage/cruft in the messages for those viewing it elsewhere than the forums. So, while it might be nice to have markdown if we were dealing purely with forum software, we're not, so it doesn't make sense. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 11:28:41 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:53:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Remember that the forum software is just a frontend for an nntp server and that others view the content via nntp or via the mailing list. So, it doesn't make any sense to support features that involve anything other than plain text. The beta forum doesn't look plaintext. Also markdown is plain text. That is the very point of formats like markdown and restructured text - to be perfectly readable in raw ascii form.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 10:19:20 +, sigod wrote: This just scares off users who doesn't have experience with all this stuff. And I believe now there's much more users, who doesn't even heard of NNTP, than whose who worked with it. i vote for dropping web interface at all. i believe that everybody should use NNTP reader. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Большое спасибо :-) Hope it's correct!
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 10:48:31 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 10:19:20 +, sigod wrote: This just scares off users who doesn't have experience with all this stuff. And I believe now there's much more users, who doesn't even heard of NNTP, than whose who worked with it. i vote for dropping web interface at all. i believe that everybody should use NNTP reader. Bad joke. It'll probably kill D in a long run.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 10:54:03 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, June 05, 2015 10:19:20 sigod via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Markdown in a raw format is very readable. As for me, it's easier to read raw markdown than mix of text and code. Perhaps, but I don't want to see raw markdown in e-mails any more than I want to see raw html, even if raw markdown isn't quite as bad. Your comparison of markdown and HTML doesn't make any sense. They're fundamentally different. So, while it might be nice to have markdown if we were dealing purely with forum software, we're not, so it doesn't make sense. I don't see a reason why forum cannot have features on it's own. Especially, when this features won't significantly affect other ways to access the same information. If you're screwing with the content of the messages, then yes, it does affect the other ways that the information is accessed - and that includes adding stuff like markdown or html into the messages. If it's something that just affects how the content is viewed in the web forum, then that's fine, but it needs to not mess with the content of the messages Are you sure you aren't confusing something like [bbcodes] with [markdown]? I don't see how markdown can obscure message. For example, this quotes (``) are part of markdown. or assume that all (or even a majority) of the users are communicating via the web forum. You missed my point. I was talking about _potential_ users. Aren't we all want for D to became very popular and broadly used? [bbcodes]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCode [markdown]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markdown
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:16:30 UTC, sigod wrote: How about markdown support? It can have completely client-side implementation. I have thought for a long time about this. It's tricky. There are multiple concerns: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. Although Markdown's goal is to be readable in its plain text source code, it still allows many situations in which the source is misleading or difficult to understand. For example, special characters need to be escaped by a backslash, which can create confusion in the presence of other special characters. (Are they part of the D syntax the user is describing, or something else?) Some syntax such as tables or images can also be not very readable in source form. 2. How should we render messages sent by NNTP/mailing-list users? Do we just assume that they're sending Markdown and render it as such? This can cause the messages to appear broken to forum users. Or do we only render Markdown if the post was sent from the forum? This means that when NNTP/ML users quote forum users' text it will be shown as plain text. 3. There is no unified standard for Markdown. The original format is not used on major sites today - StackOverflow and GitHub extend the format, and users will expect Markdown with those extensions. 4. Markdown's formatting for code (leading whitespace) is rather cumbersome, and difficult to use without either visual JavaScript text editors (as on SO) or Markdown extensions (as on GH). 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. You see this all the time on StackOverflow (even though it's user-editable) and more importantly on the vibe.d forums. It's pretty ugly, and in some cases, borderline unreadable (any indented lines are shown drastically different from unindented lines). 6. How do we encode that the message is in Markdown in the message's headers? text/plain + a proprietary header would be lying. text/markdown or something like that will likely cause the message to not be displayed at all in some readers. Sending a text/html part with rendered Markdown is an idea, but it also invites clients to send a text/html-only reply, which DFeed can't display. To sum it up, it's a can of worms, and I'm fairly sure we're doing quite well without it.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. That isn't a problem at all. Although Markdown's goal is to be readable in its plain text source code, it still allows many situations in which the source is misleading or difficult to understand. For example, special characters need to be escaped by a backslash, which can create confusion in the presence of other special characters. (Are they part of the D syntax the user is describing, or something else?) Some syntax such as tables or images can also be not very readable in source form. I cannot speculate about it without actually trying to implement it. 2. How should we render messages sent by NNTP/mailing-list users? Why should we? Do we just assume that they're sending Markdown and render it as such? Yes. You already do it for quotes. This can cause the messages to appear broken to forum users. Yes, it can be a problem. But, first: markdown render should be optional. And second: don't render if you're not sure how to render it. 3. There is no unified standard for Markdown. The original format is not used on major sites today - StackOverflow and GitHub extend the format, and users will expect Markdown with those extensions. There's always should be a help which explains what supported. Also, I don't think we need _all_ syntax and all possible extensions. Just those which will improve readability. 4. Markdown's formatting for code (leading whitespace) is rather cumbersome I dislike this syntax too. GitHub's extension: ```[language, optional] code in here ``` Is much better. , and difficult to use without either visual JavaScript text editors (as on SO) or Markdown extensions (as on GH). You already have `Save and preview` button. 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. I'm aware of that. As I said before: don't render if you're not sure how to render it. You see this all the time on StackOverflow (even though it's user-editable) and more importantly on the vibe.d forums. It's pretty ugly It all depends on actual users. We can't do anything about this. 6. How do we encode that the message is in Markdown in the message's headers? Again. Why should we? See #2.
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Vladimir, great work! But I really can't understand people that still continue use mail for communication, for me forum like http://forum.rejectedsoftware.com/groups/rejectedsoftware.vibed/ is perfect. mail communication have a lot of contras. Messages are can't be edited, problem with markdown and so on.
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On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 12:29:34 +, sigod wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 10:48:31 UTC, ketmar wrote: On Fri, 05 Jun 2015 10:19:20 +, sigod wrote: This just scares off users who doesn't have experience with all this stuff. And I believe now there's much more users, who doesn't even heard of NNTP, than whose who worked with it. i vote for dropping web interface at all. i believe that everybody should use NNTP reader. Bad joke. It'll probably kill D in a long run. it's not a joke, it's simply your message reworded by making NNTP users superior. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Awesome, great work. In threaded mode, the frame around the message body could be a bit thinner (like the frame around the message header) to differentiate it more from the quote level lines.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. Although Markdown's goal is to be readable in its plain text source code, it still allows many situations in which the source is misleading or difficult to understand. For example, special characters need to be escaped by a backslash, which can create confusion in the presence of other special characters. (Are they part of the D syntax the user is describing, or something else?) Some syntax such as tables or images can also be not very readable in source form. What about supporting only a few features like hyperlinks and code blocks? These should be unambiguous and not conflict with anything.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:43:18 UTC, extrawurst wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. I now love the j,k shortcuts. but is it possible to go to the next page of messages instead of wrapping around the same page when reaching upper/lower bound ? The wraparound is useful, but I was thinking of using the H/L keys to navigate pages, what do you think?
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 13:31:05 UTC, sigod wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. That isn't a problem at all. I don't know what you mean by this. I provided several examples of situations in which problems can occur. 2. How should we render messages sent by NNTP/mailing-list users? Why should we? For one, sending the same text will change its appearance depending on which client you use to send it. Copying text between posts can drastically change its appearance to the point of corrupting it or making it unreadable. This reminds me to another problem with Markdown: you can't copy rendered text, paste it in your message, and expect it to display correctly. The forum does not have this problem with quote margins (there are invisible characters which will be copied with the post), but it is difficult to extend this all the way to Markdown formatting. Do we just assume that they're sending Markdown and render it as such? Yes. You already do it for quotes. The quotes are part of the formatting that all clients are already in agreement with. It is part of RFC 2646 and others. Markdown isn't. This can cause the messages to appear broken to forum users. Yes, it can be a problem. But, first: markdown render should be optional. And second: don't render if you're not sure how to render it. We definitely should not expect users to choose how they want to display others' posts. And, please elaborate on if you're not sure how to render it. 3. There is no unified standard for Markdown. The original format is not used on major sites today - StackOverflow and GitHub extend the format, and users will expect Markdown with those extensions. There's always should be a help which explains what supported. Few things turn me down from making a first post on a forum more than having to read a How to format your post page first. Also, I don't think we need _all_ syntax and all possible extensions. Just those which will improve readability. Great, so another Markdown variant. 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. I'm aware of that. As I said before: don't render if you're not sure how to render it. As above? You see this all the time on StackOverflow (even though it's user-editable) and more importantly on the vibe.d forums. It's pretty ugly It all depends on actual users. We can't do anything about this. Blaming the users never works. If you start blaming users en masse, you've become blind as to how crappy your UX is. 6. How do we encode that the message is in Markdown in the message's headers? Again. Why should we? See #2. 1. The forum needs to recognize which messages are Markdown-formatted somehow. 2. Text must be sent in such a way as to maximize readability in other clients.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:13:54 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. We already have this, see http://forum.dlang.org/post/yfykbayodugukemvo...@forum.dlang.org This is fixed now. http://beta.forum.dlang.org/post/yfykbayodugukemvo...@forum.dlang.org
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 13:20:18 UTC, Bastiaan Veelo wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Awesome, great work. In threaded mode, the frame around the message body could be a bit thinner (like the frame around the message header) to differentiate it more from the quote level lines. Fixed, thanks.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:22:34 UTC, sigod wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ When writing reply you click `Save and preview`: URL changes from http://beta.forum.dlang.org/reply/sqqngcfwtkhxeoiqn...@beta.forum.dlang.org to http://beta.forum.dlang.org/send. As does text at the top of the page (`Index » Announce » forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA) » Post reply` - `Index » Posting error`). Fixed, thanks. The URL change is intentional, the breadcrumb error label on preview was a leftover.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. We already have this, see http://forum.dlang.org/post/yfykbayodugukemvo...@forum.dlang.org
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:06:32 UTC, Kagamin wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. Although Markdown's goal is to be readable in its plain text source code, it still allows many situations in which the source is misleading or difficult to understand. For example, special characters need to be escaped by a backslash, which can create confusion in the presence of other special characters. (Are they part of the D syntax the user is describing, or something else?) Some syntax such as tables or images can also be not very readable in source form. What about supporting only a few features like hyperlinks and code blocks? These should be unambiguous and not conflict with anything. Yes, we could do that, with the downside of implementing our own Markdown variant with its own instruction manual. But we already use footnotes for hyperlinks by convention, and code already looks fine, so what's the gain? Syntax highlighting?
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On 6/5/15 8:57 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:16:30 UTC, sigod wrote: How about markdown support? It can have completely client-side implementation. I have thought for a long time about this. It's tricky. ... 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. This. I mess up markdown all the time. If I can't edit, I'd be screwed :) -Steve
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Man, I think we found the ultimate bikeshed topic for D, with 113 replies in one day. :) There is a bug in the currently deployed DFeed forum with Chrome on Android tablets, where it's necessary to click on an external link twice before it will load, which seems to be fixed in this beta. Hopefully, the fix is intentional and it won't recur.
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On 6/5/15 2:16 AM, sigod wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:52:07 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:48:20 UTC, Meta wrote: How feasible is it to add code formatting for the web interface? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean syntax highlighting for D code? If you mean the rewrapping issues with forum.dlang.org, those should be fixed now. Code (and other text with hard line breaks) should be sent and displayed as-is. How about markdown support? It can have completely client-side implementation. That'd be really interesting - text would look nice in the text clients (email, NNTP), and beautiful online. That way the online forum becomes more attractive. -- Andrei
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:16:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: Yes, we could do that, with the downside of implementing our own Markdown variant with its own instruction manual. Every site in the internet supports its own way to markup, some accept html, some - bbcode, some - markdown, so manual on what's supported will be handy.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:16:13 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: What about supporting only a few features like hyperlinks and code blocks? These should be unambiguous and not conflict with anything. Yes, we could do that, with the downside of implementing our own Markdown variant with its own instruction manual. But we already use footnotes for hyperlinks by convention, and code already looks fine, so what's the gain? Syntax highlighting? Nice hyperlinks and syntax highlighting. On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 14:19:06 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: 5. You can't edit posts once sent. This means that if you accidentally messed up the formatting (e.g. you pasted code without padding it with whitespace or surrounding it in ```...``` blocks), you can't go back and edit it now. This. I mess up markdown all the time. If I can't edit, I'd be screwed :) Conventional hyperlinks are not going anywhere :) On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:45:58 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: It may be that we have lost potential participants because they clicked away from the page within seconds of realising there was no oauth (I definitely would). It's doable but just seems a little overkill to me. Every time I looked into implementing OAuth I was swamped by how overly complicated it was (or maybe I just never found a succint-enough description). AFAIK, Nick wanted to write OAuth support library in D.
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On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Looks really nice, I particularly like the improved speed, reply notifications (though haven't tried it yet) and subscriptions. Keyboard navigation is interesting, but I've always found it a bit clunky (especially because combined with scrolling, it often doesn't update the current post so pressing k/j goes somewhere else on the screen, but I guess space makes more sense in that situation). A shortcut for navigating to the next page would not be amiss however. One thing that I've always found annoying is how difficult it is to open up multiple threads in a new tab in Basic mode. Any post that you haven't read you have to move your mouse to the far left to click it, any post you have read you have to move your mouse to the far right to go to the next unread post. I usually just open up most updated threads in a new tab, so you're constantly going back and forth from far left to far right. It would be nice if there was a way to go to the first post on an unread thread or the first unread post on a read thread without having to move across the page.
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On Friday, June 05, 2015 10:19:20 sigod via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:53:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Remember that the forum software is just a frontend for an nntp server and that others view the content via nntp or via the mailing list. This just scares off users who doesn't have experience with all this stuff. And I believe now there's much more users, who doesn't even heard of NNTP, than whose who worked with it. Then they can just use the web forums and not care about how they're implemented. They just won't get features that won't work with NNTP or the mailing list. A large portion of the folks who communicate in the newsgroup (especially the core developers) use them via NNTP or the mailing list rather than the web forums. Whatever we do needs to work well with all three communication mechanisms. So, it doesn't make any sense to support features that involve anything other than plain text. It would just result in garbage/cruft in the messages for those viewing it elsewhere than the forums. Markdown in a raw format is very readable. As for me, it's easier to read raw markdown than mix of text and code. Perhaps, but I don't want to see raw markdown in e-mails any more than I want to see raw html, even if raw markdown isn't quite as bad. So, while it might be nice to have markdown if we were dealing purely with forum software, we're not, so it doesn't make sense. I don't see a reason why forum cannot have features on it's own. Especially, when this features won't significantly affect other ways to access the same information. If you're screwing with the content of the messages, then yes, it does affect the other ways that the information is accessed - and that includes adding stuff like markdown or html into the messages. If it's something that just affects how the content is viewed in the web forum, then that's fine, but it needs to not mess with the content of the messages or assume that all (or even a majority) of the users are communicating via the web forum. - Jonathan M Davis
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 09:53:34 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Remember that the forum software is just a frontend for an nntp server and that others view the content via nntp or via the mailing list. So, it doesn't make any sense to support features that involve anything other than plain text. The beta forum doesn't look plaintext.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 16:10:47 UTC, Kapps wrote: One thing that I've always found annoying is how difficult it is to open up multiple threads in a new tab in Basic mode. Any post that you haven't read you have to move your mouse to the far left to click it, any post you have read you have to move your mouse to the far right to go to the next unread post. I usually just open up most updated threads in a new tab, so you're constantly going back and forth from far left to far right. It would be nice if there was a way to go to the first post on an unread thread or the first unread post on a read thread without having to move across the page. The reply count number is now a secret link to the thread.
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On 6/5/2015 10:31 PM, sigod wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 12:57:23 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: 1. People receiving messages through NNTP/mailing lists will not see the formatted Markdown. That isn't a problem at all. For you, perhaps. I use a news reader to access theses groups most of the time and have no desire to parse Markdown while reading the posts. So it's a problem for me. I'm confident I'm not the only one.
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On 6/4/15 5:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:06:04 UTC, Charles wrote: Any change of making the D Logo redirect to dlang.org rather than the forum itself? No, I'm very used to clicking the logo to back to the forum index, and I suspect so are many others. You can use the D Home links to go to dlang.org. Speaking of home - currently the table at http://beta.forum.dlang.org allocates disproportionally large space for the first column, and squeezes the second (interesting) column into a relatively small space. I also figure the font used throughout is just _big_ - I have the reflex of pressing Command-0 to reset it to normal after zooming. But it's not zoomed. It's just big. Also, after thinking today about the universe and everything, I concluded that that's without a doubt the ugliest bold font created by the human civilization. Andrei
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When one clicks create thread, focus should go on the post title, not the post body. -- Andrei
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On 6/4/15 5:49 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:46:11 UTC, Mike wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:37:20 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: It appears the horizontal split puts the latest thread at the bottom of the list instead of the top. I think that should be reversed. I think not, as that would mean that threads are sorted in one direction, but posts within a thread are sorted in another. That seems natural to me. Consider the space bar's current functionality: it jumps to the next unread post. How would it work in this scheme? Would it go down within a thread and then jump up to the next thread? Or would it keep going down, going through older posts within a thread but newer threads? An option to reverse sorting direction could be added I suppose, but... why do you say that your proposal seems natural? Is it implemented that way elsewhere? The horizontal-split mode (and its sorting direction) is not new, BTW. It's one of those human things - what's logical is not the most intuitive. -- Andrei
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On 5 June 2015 at 01:04, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Awesome stuff! Looks great, and it's fast! Incidentally, I have a bug. If I click to select some text, the page bounces downwards on the mouse-up event. If I click again to select some other text, the page bounces back upwards again to it's original position (again, on the mouse-up).
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:05:32 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: On 6/4/15 5:08 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:06:04 UTC, Charles wrote: Any change of making the D Logo redirect to dlang.org rather than the forum itself? No, I'm very used to clicking the logo to back to the forum index, and I suspect so are many others. You can use the D Home links to go to dlang.org. Speaking of home - currently the table at http://beta.forum.dlang.org allocates disproportionally large space for the first column, and squeezes the second (interesting) column into a relatively small space. Why do you think the second column is interesting? The only thing that doesn't fit is thread subjects, which can be very long and you can read them in full once you click through. The group descriptions in the first column, on the other hand, are not visible elsewhere and are more interesting for newcomers. I also figure the font used throughout is just _big_ - I have the reflex of pressing Command-0 to reset it to normal after zooming. But it's not zoomed. It's just big. Perhaps simply because it's bigger than on forum.dlang.org? Also, after thinking today about the universe and everything, I concluded that that's without a doubt the ugliest bold font created by the human civilization. Except for the bold part, believe it or not, it's exactly the same font as we use on dlang.org, size and all (Verdana 14px). And as for the bold part, it doesn't look so bad on Windows, so what does that say about the famed OS X font rendering? :D
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:48:20 UTC, Meta wrote: How feasible is it to add code formatting for the web interface? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean syntax highlighting for D code? If you mean the rewrapping issues with forum.dlang.org, those should be fixed now. Code (and other text with hard line breaks) should be sent and displayed as-is.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:49:31 UTC, Manu wrote: On 5 June 2015 at 11:42, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:39:48 UTC, Manu wrote: [...] How do I reproduce this? What browser, view mode, etc.? I don't think I do anything fancy with mouse events... Win8.1, Chrome latest, nothing special about the view configuration. Here is a link: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/post/poefipvtjbcpnkopk...@forum.dlang.org I don't know if this link is special... just click on the screen somewhere and watch it bounce around. Ah, fixed, thanks.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:52:07 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:48:20 UTC, Meta wrote: How feasible is it to add code formatting for the web interface? Not sure what you mean. Do you mean syntax highlighting for D code? If you mean the rewrapping issues with forum.dlang.org, those should be fixed now. Code (and other text with hard line breaks) should be sent and displayed as-is. Syntax highlighting is always nice, but yeah, I more meant the line wrapping issues.
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On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 04:03:48 UTC, Manu wrote: Yeah I've had the same experience. I reckon there's room for a libOAuth... I would hella-make-use-of-that! https://github.com/adamdruppe/arsd/blob/master/oauth.d my implementation is a bit bizarre and tied to my cgi.d but it supports the oauth 1 flow, full client, server signing checks, and has been tested (over a year ago though) against several providers.
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On 5 June 2015 at 11:45, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:42:20 UTC, Manu wrote: Also, oauth? There is no way I would register an account to make a post unless I was *really* motivated. What gave you the impression that you have to register an account in order to post? The front page now explicitly says that you don't need an account to post. Ah okay. I totally missed that detail somewhere. You seem to have fixed it, nice :) It may be that we have lost potential participants because they clicked away from the page within seconds of realising there was no oauth (I definitely would). It's doable but just seems a little overkill to me. Every time I looked into implementing OAuth I was swamped by how overly complicated it was (or maybe I just never found a succint-enough description). Yeah I've had the same experience. I reckon there's room for a libOAuth... I would hella-make-use-of-that!
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 6/4/2015 8:04 AM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Pretty dazz! I also like the new stats display at the top. Just for fun eye candy, you could juice that up and show a graph of the stats for the past month or whatever. Another idea: Consider the display: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/group/general and compare with: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/I_won_a_school_game-creation_competition_263965.html In particular: Vladde Nordholm (12/12) May 30 So hey everyone! I am very hap... ◦ Marcin Szymczak (3/3) May 30 That is great news! Congratula... ◦ extrawurst (3/16) May 30 here is the link i suppose: ... ◾ Dennis Ritchie (3/21) May 30 The game starts normally but w... ◾ Vladimir Panteleev (3/8) May 30 I saw the same problem (access... ◦ Andrei Alexandrescu (2/14) May 30 Congratulations! -- Andrei... ◦ Vladde Nordholm (8/8) May 31 Quick note to Dennis and Vladi... After each post, the first non-quoted line of text from the post is inserted. (The n/m means n = non-quoted lines and m = total lines.) This gives a nice clue which one would be most interesting to click on. Slashdot does this: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/06/04/2250233/researchers-power-a-security-camera-with-wi-fi-signals Slashdot does it even better by expanding/contracting the clicked on post inline rather than opening a new page, and having to go back and forth between pages. I think this significantly better.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 6/4/15 6:37 PM, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: Except for the bold part, believe it or not, it's exactly the same font as we use on dlang.org, size and all (Verdana 14px). And as for the bold part, it doesn't look so bad on Windows, so what does that say about the famed OS X font rendering? :D Guess it says let's steer clear of Verdana. -- Andrei
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:49:48 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: Consider the space bar's current functionality: it jumps to the next unread post. How would it work in this scheme? Would it go down within a thread and then jump up to the next thread? Or would it keep going down, going through older posts within a thread but newer threads? I think spacebar should just go down the list linearly however they are sorted. An option to reverse sorting direction could be added I suppose, but... why do you say that your proposal seems natural? Is it implemented that way elsewhere? The threaded view is implemented that way, only its split between two pages (page 1 lists threads latest first, page 2 sorts them hierarchically. That's natural to me. The horizontal-split mode (and its sorting direction) is not new, BTW. I know, but I prefer the other views given its current implementation (maybe others do too). But I would prefer the horizontal-split if it worked more like threaded.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:10:02 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: When one clicks create thread, focus should go on the post title, not the post body. -- Andrei Fixed. (You have an eye for details!)
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ This is really nice. It appears the horizontal split puts the latest thread at the bottom of the list instead of the top. I think that should be reversed. Mike
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 5 June 2015 at 11:39, Manu turkey...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 June 2015 at 01:04, Vladimir Panteleev via Digitalmars-d-announce digitalmars-d-announce@puremagic.com wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ Many major and minor improvements. Some major ones: - dlang.org theme, fully responsive and mobile-friendly - keyboard navigation in all views - automatically saved post drafts - get notified of new posts and replies with subscriptions - full text search - by persistent request, a new view mode (vertical-split) - post to mailing lists - even faster, believe it or not. This update is the sum of 256 commits over 34 days of development. Awesome stuff! Looks great, and it's fast! Incidentally, I have a bug. If I click to select some text, the page bounces downwards on the mouse-up event. If I click again to select some other text, the page bounces back upwards again to it's original position (again, on the mouse-up). Also, oauth? There is no way I would register an account to make a post unless I was *really* motivated. It may be that we have lost potential participants because they clicked away from the page within seconds of realising there was no oauth (I definitely would).
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 01:39:48 UTC, Manu wrote: If I click to select some text, the page bounces downwards on the mouse-up event. If I click again to select some other text, the page bounces back upwards again to it's original position (again, on the mouse-up). How do I reproduce this? What browser, view mode, etc.? I don't think I do anything fancy with mouse events...
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ In threaded view, when viewing any post except the original post, and then clicking the leaf breadcrumb at the top, the following appears: Post #0 of thread mkpqgo$41n$1...@digitalmars.com not found
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Thursday, June 04, 2015 18:05:32 Andrei Alexandrescu via Digitalmars-d-announce wrote: Also, after thinking today about the universe and everything, I concluded that that's without a doubt the ugliest bold font created by the human civilization. That's a bold statement. :) - Jonathan M Davis
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On 06/04/2015 10:59 PM, IgorStepanov wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 02:14:08 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 02:11:17 UTC, IgorStepanov wrote: Ok, why we use email/NNTP server instead of simple database/file storage? Do we use some free mail server, or we must support some old infrastructure? Yes, this forum was created explicitly to replace Web-News, an NNTP newsreader. Initially all communication was done via NNTP (Web-News or a desktop NNTP client) and mailing lists. The last time I checked, only 50% of posters used forum.dlang.org, others used NNTP or mailing lists. Interestingly, they do it because they are accustomed, or they have a handy desktop/mobile applications? As nice as forum.dlang.org is, many of us just like native NNTP clients way better. I'm accessing this though Thunderbird (although I've also used claws-mail and IIRC Outlook Express for it in the past.) Incidentally, I used to be a web forum fan, and it was this NG that introduced me to NNTP (back before this NG had a decent web interface). But then I ended up liking NNTP clients better. :) I do use forum.dlang.org on mobile though, since I'm not aware of any worthwhile mobile NNTP client.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:46:11 UTC, Mike wrote: On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:37:20 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: It appears the horizontal split puts the latest thread at the bottom of the list instead of the top. I think that should be reversed. I think not, as that would mean that threads are sorted in one direction, but posts within a thread are sorted in another. That seems natural to me. Consider the space bar's current functionality: it jumps to the next unread post. How would it work in this scheme? Would it go down within a thread and then jump up to the next thread? Or would it keep going down, going through older posts within a thread but newer threads? An option to reverse sorting direction could be added I suppose, but... why do you say that your proposal seems natural? Is it implemented that way elsewhere? The horizontal-split mode (and its sorting direction) is not new, BTW.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:37:20 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: It appears the horizontal split puts the latest thread at the bottom of the list instead of the top. I think that should be reversed. I think not, as that would mean that threads are sorted in one direction, but posts within a thread are sorted in another. That seems natural to me.
Re: forum.dlang.org, version 2 (BETA)
On Friday, 5 June 2015 at 00:50:17 UTC, Mike wrote: On Thursday, 4 June 2015 at 15:04:05 UTC, Vladimir Panteleev wrote: http://beta.forum.dlang.org/ In threaded view, when viewing any post except the original post, and then clicking the leaf breadcrumb at the top, the following appears: Post #0 of thread mkpqgo$41n$1...@digitalmars.com not found Fixed.
