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the paranoia going. Since Intel is porting Android to x86 it is obvious
that Android will move up into the laptop and desktop space. If we don't
get OOo/LO onto Android we could be relegated to a tiny minority use
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> > What we need is a port of OOo to Android.
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> Which of the 200+ variants of Android should be targeted?
All
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never got properly to grips with
and it is important. The user interface and overall design of Inkscape
is IMHO better than Draw but since it is more recent in origin that is
not really surprising. It would also mean that we would be tapping into
the Inkscape community as well as supporting it which
at supports svg and add facilities
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> >>> So should't LibreOffice drop
> >>> the
> >>> Draw module and work instead toward a full
> >> Hi Ian:
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> >> Have you tested this on students/kids? I would be interested to hear of
> >> the results if you had done this.
> >
> > Informally the feedback I get is that it's easy enough to teach young
> > children how to mak
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> > will have a vast amount of RAM and fast CPUs in the next 2 to 3 years. A
> &g
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> > > > At least then it would run on any platform with a JVM eg cell phone
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ld need one
> quickly. Is there developer bandwidth for such a project? I think this would
> be a good Google Summer of Code project that could get some funding and a
> new developer that way, but I'm not sure the work could be handled by a
> single developer over a summer.
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d of
10 years trying. A real killer on 'phone technology as it develops has a
much better chance but probably that opportunity is already lost simply
because others are beating us there. K-Office on Nokia for a start.
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Really? Because I can't recall the last time I drafted a legal brief on
> my cell phone.
The legal profession is hardly a good precedent for technology
innovation :-)
Ask how many 15 year olds have drafted an essay on their cell phone.
That would be a much more realistic test of the
nd makes windoze users pay for
> versions supplied for their platforms.
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would make good business sense for their search and advertising model,
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> I'd prefer a sortable list at the wiki / website with columns for name, date
> and
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market and extends into massive volume in developing countries that have
still to take up any significant technology.
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why new technologies displace established ones
developers so they tend to get first focus. Business
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> The primary demographic that writes 携帯小説 (keitai
ain and I gave up on it about 5 or 6 years ago.
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>>> Which of the 200+ variants of Android should be targeted?
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>> All those running on devices that are likely to be used in general
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> That would be all 200+ variants of Android then.
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>> one second BEFORE announcing the birth of TDF? Would'nt it have been
>> much more proper, conside
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>> > world that has been completely left out by OOo these past years.
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>> Interesting, so would that mean more emphasis on Calc
> Would someone please explain where the money is coming from to fund
> LibO? Where is it expected to come from in the future, assuming Oracle
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> Le 15/11/2010 14:22, RGB ES a écrit :
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>> 2010/11/15 Ian Lynch:
>>
>>
>>> The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an
>>> option
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> >> The point is that for me Inkscape is more usable and if there was an
> option
> >> to replace Draw with it in LO/OOo I'd take that op
replicating things that improve Draw
and that includes ease of use..
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> > On 16 November 2010 14:35, Luc Novalès wrote:
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> > > Hi,
> > > I am OOo, and now LO user.
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> replace
> > Draw with Inkscape but to learn from it.
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> Excellent--this is what I was hoping we we
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> On Nov 17, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> > On 17 November 2010 16:17, Benjamin Horst wrote:
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hat it is too late :-(. Even a light weight WP based on Writer from a
workflow point of view and supporting odf would be better than nothing. 90%
of people simply don't need all the functions for the things they do most
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>> On 18 November 2010 14:27, Florian Reisinger wrote:
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>>> Has anyone "in authority" asked the PortableApps folk if they'd do a
>>>> p
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> > And of course there is the
> > argument that without certain features some of the large public sector
> > switches might not have happened.
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things. Link those to the assessment criteria and you have a fully supported
learning system. There is then the possibility of linking the LO help system
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Not if it gets illegally copied. ;-) PS, hard drive space is likely to be
less of an issue than
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>> your company has experienced significant end user support issues. I just
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equal, that could
be an important marketing asset - so perhaps better discussed on the
marketing list. To me, what matters is furthering FOSS, we should avoid
counter-productive wars and work collaboratively where ever possible.
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