Gandhi wrote:
If you've been away a long time, perhaps you have yet to discover
Archimago's enlightening measurements of many different audio devices?
http://archimago.blogspot.ca
Interesting... thanks. The jist seems to be, for 16-bit streams all DACs
are much of a muchness, but for
Gazjam wrote:
Shame the OP isnt getting the kind of discussion and help he was looking
for.
Ive gave my experience, maybe others might pitch in too.
Sorry guys, I've been away (bad timing for posting something so
contentious by the looks of things!). Perhaps this was better suited to
the
I've been away from the SB scene for a while (except for using them to,
well, listening to music) but my wife bought me a Little Dot I+
headphone amp for Christmas and I think I'm getting the bug again.
So my question is, after all these years, how good are the SB DACs
compared to what is on the
Mnyb wrote:
So what to do with discontinued products ? Don't return them , take the
loss and try to fix it elsewhere :/
Oddly enough, under EU regulations you can get the product repaired
elsewhere - and have the vendor refund the repair costs - if they refuse
to repair/replace it to begin
toby10 wrote:
Can you do the same with cars in the EU? You buy a new car, car is
determined to be defective (cannot be fixed/remedied by repairs, called
a Lemon in the US), mfr agrees to give you a new car, but you also get
the defective car back? I'd find that highly unlikely, no matter
I only see Dean in the list.
The product looks funky, albeit aimed at casual/background listening...
a big dial lets you slide between Daily Listening and Party Music. I
like it!
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bernt wrote:
LMS is the best music server software out there.
Just install it and forget it.
It's extremely stable and easy to use.
No, I'm not kidding.
How ironic... I love it because it's infinitely tweakable! ;-)
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The majority of age groups do recognize a cassette, especially a
simplified, stylized version - even Gen Y's. :D
This is an interesting point. Stylized representations of dated products
still regularly take on new meanings as they avoid ambiguity. For
example, in the UK (and I
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OK, let's make it an 8-track...
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JohnSwenson wrote:
Now to open up the can of worms, someone mentioned a power light on
the front panel.
Putting a simple light on the front panel that is hooked directly up to
the power input is a piece of cake. BUT people are notorious for not
liking that. Its the wrong color, its too
The original UK power supply that came with the original SB3 (Unifive)
is incredibly noisy (EMI-wise, not audibly) and lowers the tolerance of
a powerline network considerably (YMMV). I personally found plugging the
SB3 into a surge-protected 4-gang was the best way of reducing noise.
cdmackay wrote:
I was going to ask: is there any reason not to use micro USB as the
power input?
Even if people subsequently wanted to use a better supply, that could
still easily be routed through a microUSB connector?
Also, quite keen to do beta testing, if that's helpful.
I guess it
JackOfAll wrote:
Is there anyone with graphical design skills who could contribute to the
community project by designing a logo for our Community Squeeze OS. (It
will be shown on the WebGui configuration page and the splash screen
startup of Jivelite.) I'm really looking for something before
JackOfAll wrote:
I don't wish this to be turned into a public debate which goes off at a
complete tangent with 10 people having ideas as to which colours should
be used, hence the request that anyone who might have the necessary
skill set contact me via PM to discuss.
Ah OK, that makes
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Mnyb wrote:
The reason for it's there in the first place paranoid service providers
, they don't want the encryption and handshakes to be on the ens users
machine especially not on an open source project , the risk of reverse
engineering .
This is a problem I can't see being resolved any
erland wrote:
One limitation I still want to apply is that with one online streaming
account you will still only be able to stream a single song to one
device or to multiple devices synchronized, basically no possibility to
play different songs to different devices simultaneously as this
erland wrote:
Do you have a need to let each family member browse their library
individually ?
I don't believe so. I'm curious why this is an issue for people. Do
people have lots of explicit tracks they don't want their kids near? Or
are they embarrassed to see certain artists in their list?
As Round 1 set the cat amongst the pigeons, it only seemed fair to
follow it up with a Round 2, taking the top 2 winners from Round 1 and
combining them with a few others, including the much-requested I don't
care/call it what you like/they're all rubbish option.
Bear in mind this is likely to
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CubieBoard is A8 with NEON. You just take the rootfs from my image and
roll your own kernel/uboot for the CubieBoard. I'll have a look this
evening. Got to admit that I know nothing about the Cubieboard other
than what I just read. But I have no doubt that we could make a
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At least in the beginning we will probably still be using LMS, so the
existing plugin interface will most likely be used for the server side.
But on the player side it does not look like we will be using
SqueezePlay which had the applet infrstructure. Some simple aspects
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For multi-player sync, it's absolutely essential.
+1
I also don't think it'd be too difficult to make these old devices think
they're still talking to LMS via an API layer, leaving us complete
freedom with the underlying architecture.
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I hate to be realistic, but if this project is going to survive on
longer terms, it have to be organized in a company and a company will
need to make profit, how much do you think SB1, 2, 3 users would be
willing to pay 2016 to get support for their almost 10 year old $300
Triode wrote:
I did look at xbmc but was concerned that for just rendering a user
interface it looked to be overkill and specially on the platform I
tested on it seemed to use high cpu load to continuously render the
display.
I had the same issue on the R-Pi and I understand it's a
JackOfAll wrote:
I've seen mention of XBMC in this thread (and another). Please,
no We need to deliver something, preferably before April 2016,
not go off at a tangent. ;)
I only used XBMC as an example of a successful community-driven software
project. I certainly wouldn't want us to
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dustinsterk wrote:
I like the poll but feel that Harmonic should still be on the list.
It did have a +3. :)
I liked Harmonic too, but I thought it was too close to Harmonix and
nobody screamed at me to add it back to the list. If I could add it to
the poll now, I would...
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CharlieG wrote:
+1
This was also brought up before. Should it be on the list?
Yeah probably.. I'll add it to the next round, along with Harmonic.
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castalla wrote:
I hope it isn't going to be a first-past-the-post vote
At the very least, it should be top 2 names enter a run-off.
Good point.
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chill wrote:
While I'm at it, how about SB4, SB5 etc? Do you think Logitech have
trademarked the general pattern?
I'd be surprised if they could claim SB-n- as opposed to Squeezebox
-n-.
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I've come to the conclusion this marketing stuff is harder than I
thought. I also can't believe I just admitted that.
I'll stick with the IT business a little while longer.
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OK I've had enough of this malarkey. I'm posting the shortlist as a poll
to see where it leads us. If we hate the name, we'll just end up calling
it GEN-x- anyway.
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parallels with
the aims of this project, and of course the new device will be
open-source. Open - Encore - OpEncore. (Suggested by erland/simbo)
*Melodia *- Melodies are nice, and as it happens Melodia means pleasant
song in Latin, which also makes us sound clever and little pretentious
d6jg wrote:
I like the look of it and had a bit of a read. It's pricey and I think
it might be flawed. In the bumph I read it talked about a single optical
connection to TV and nothing about HDMI which means you are going to be
reliant on your TV passing digital sound out from connected
I know it's not very Squeezeboxy (nor does it integrate with LMS) but
wouldn't Google Music cover a lot of these bases? It's far from perfect
(it won't let me decide where to place the files on my phone, and it
seems to ignore replay gain settings) but I do like the fact I can build
up a playlist
As much as I'm averse to the Sonos environment, I think they might be
onto something with this new 'PlayBar'
(http://www.whathifi.com/news/sonos-enters-the-home-cinema-market-with-the-sonos-playbar)
of theirs. It's a soundbar, so naturally aimed at the people who want to
move up from the speakers
My original feeling was that GEN1, being a proof-of-concept, should try
to push the boundaries beyond what a normal user (whatever they are)
would want, and if that means USB DAC support, so be it.
I don't think we should be worrying about the market until GEN2. Knowing
the GEN1 can do
BenH73 wrote:
(although searching on both of these comes up with existing products)
If there's one thing the 'Apple vs Apple'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps_v_Apple_Computer) cases have
shown, it's that similarly-named brands can co-exist as long as they
don't converge in the music
slate wrote:
Pulp - biproduct after squeezing juice
Would Jarvis Cocker approve?
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OK new rule: You're not allowed to suggest a new name without voting for
an existing one too :-)
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I wasn't going to bother designing anything for GEN1, I thought the dev
guys could nail it to a plank of wood while working on it, although I'm
happy to do so if needs be.
I think GEN1 will need something, but I agree it doesn't have to be
special, just functional.
castalla wrote:
It was meant to supplement the awful list of names appearing here ...
Aww, I was gonna suggest merDevices.
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Mnyb wrote:
why not let the developers decide , then it's probably gets as bad as
squeezebox .
I have a sneaky suspicion half the people on here are developers. All
the marketing guys have Sonos.
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cooppw02 wrote:
1. It shouldn't encroach on someone else's name/trademark/IP.
- BelCanto is out: as has been mentioned, there is a hifi
company by that name.
- You'll probably get a nastygram from Logitech if you were to
use the phrases Squeeze or Slim or the like anywhere in the
dustinsterk wrote:
4) Case design - norman12
I assume this doesn't cover the -fabrication- of the case too... anyone
got a 3D printer? :)
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Mnyb wrote:
DSD I suggest someone writes a server transcoder for that to pcm
I know GEN1 is going to be using the slimproto architecture, but if/when
there is a desire to design a new architecture going forward, there's a
danger that any work done now could be lost. I'd suggest sticking to the
epoch1970 wrote:
+1 for Vuvuzela :D
chill wrote:
-1 for Vuvuzela :D
lrossouw wrote:
+1 again
from the country that punished the world with it ;)
epoch1970 wrote:
(seriously. If Vuvuzela gets picked, then only for GEN1, pleaseĀ
)
OK, how about a compromise. *Zela*!
erland wrote:
We can probably continue this forever
Yup, but there's no rush :)
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Could we get a Slim in there? In homage to the original creators? :-)
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up this thread for more primary discussions...
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?97975
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Oh and my personal contribution...
SlimStream :-)
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TheLastMan wrote:
The last few posts remind me of a Douglas Adams's Hitch Hiker story that
humans are the descendants of exiled Golgafrinchan management
consultants, hair dressers, telephone sanitizers and marketing
executives.
The Golgafrinchan race thought they would be so much better
How about some musically-themed words? Coda, Forte, Libero, etc?
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asplundj wrote:
Libero is a diaperbrand
Ha ha! And that's exactly why we'd need international representation!
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- OpenEnCore
Or OpEncore ;-)
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dustinsterk wrote:
As the names are added can we keep a running list on the first post? We
should also think about turning this into a poll as we will need to vote
at some point in time. :)
--Dustin
OK done, but the list is getting a little long and I'm not sure every
idea is serious ;-)
dustinsterk wrote:
1) Hardware design and implementation - John S.
2) Compiling OS/Building a bootable image/Writing automated scripts/Etc
(this will break out much further in the future) - Dustin (Me)
3) Squeezelite Player - Triode
4) Case design - ? (Any designers out there with CAD
dustinsterk wrote:
I would say we are still too early to tell. This could range from
manuals/websites to UI on the player itself (for GEN2).
I was initially thinking of string translation tables for the UI, but it
could cover all those areas and more. Maybe just a form of
representation from
erland wrote:
My suggestion would be to keep the thread focused at point 1-3 and
possibly 4 and 5 because those are the only ones needed to start
experimenting with GEN1 hardware.
The future after GEN1 is best decided and discussed either in a separate
thread or later when GEN1 has been
Maybe not everywhere...
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/squeezebox-radio-49-91-squeezebox-touch-89-91-pc-world-instore-store-specific-1385585
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The lack of Napster/Spotify on non-SB devices has been the only barrier
to me following a similar path. I don't use them much, but I want to
have the RIGHT to, goddamit!
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I've compared an SB3 (Classic) with a Joggler, and I can safely say,
even without a double-blind-ab-test, that the analogue output of the SB3
is far superior to the Joggler.
Like you I tried swapping out my main SB with the Joggler as it's
aesthetically nicer and easier to control, but the
DannyKudos wrote:
Thanks Simbo. Good to hear from someone with first hand experience.
Did you ever try it with an external sound card ?
Unfortunately not... I've now relegated it to my study and pass it
through some basic speakers :-(
EDIT: jimbobvfr400's post above shows some excellent
I agree, but Apple are so good at selling these services in an
integrated fashion that even when it -is- possible to use a different
service, the vast majority of Apple consumers would still flock to
Apple's own one. It's something that even Google haven't been able to
emulate (for better or for
erland wrote:
So, let's try to keep this community active and let's keep encourage the
creativity among all third party developers and let's continue being
helpful to users with problems. Let's all be part of the next journey to
musical bliss, I'm definitely ready for the ride!
I agree with
It's a shame the O2 Jogglers ('OpenFrame7'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?64373-OpenFrame-remote-for-SB))
are so hard to come by nowadays.
I have one, 'running SqueezePlay'
(http://birdslikewires.co.uk/articles/squeezeplay-os). The only downside
is the poor quality internal sound
bobkoure wrote:
Last time I checked (which to be fair was about two years ago) synching
with squeezeslave worked fine (ss with ss and ss with sb).
The Pi is SS, so maybe a non-issue?
I think you were just lucky with your hardware config!
pallfreeman wrote:
Without some heavyweight algorithms to cope with the rubbish timers in
most hardware, it really depends on how much work the developer is
prepared to do to get it right on a specific platform.
It may be possible to create a set of latency profiles for specific
hardware
*IF* it comes to a situation where -up-front- funding is needed to get
LMS maintained post-Logitech, perhaps there should be a 'Kickstarter'
(http://www.kickstarter.com/) fund going?
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Another issue with SqueezePlay is that not all online services allow
streaming through it. I know Rhapsody UK (fka Napster) are one of those.
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castalla wrote:
Why Rapsody? Guess because you use that. I don't, so I would be
totally against it. It's a bad business model.
I think that was just an example. As much as I'm against the idea of my
SB being tied to a particular service, I think mortslim is being a
realist and speculating
BTHOEM wrote:
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source [...]
That is the least I would expect of a company the size of Logitech.
Why would they do that?
This is only a short hop away from seeing Rhapsody-branded players on
the shelves, manufactured by Logitech. Bear in mind Logitech (used to?)
make mice etc for Microsoft, so it's not an area that's alien to them.
I'd need to think about the pros and cons (to us as consumers) to your
idea, but my
I envy those who feel content to let their Squeezeboxen plod along with
local access and limited functionality. Naturally those who are
concerned by the potential loss of online services are most likely to be
those who use them currently, but I think for many of us our
expectations are slightly
...Just asking :-)
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Grumpy Bob wrote:
There's not a HiFi quality player
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
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Grumpy Bob wrote:
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their
128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock.
It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least
people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with
sound.
RonM wrote:
I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end
speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought
great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to
digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There
garym wrote:
As long as mysb.com stays alive, I can go on for years, and probably
will.
...as long as Rhapsody, last.fm, TuneIn, etc don't change their APIs.
Which they will. If there's no incentive to update mysb.com it *will*
die.
Sonos remains the only viable competitor, and an overpriced
For those interested, a thread to keep an eye on...
http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/projects-and-collaboration-general/squeeze-player-on-the-raspberry-pi
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boom; *anywhere:* controller, squeezecommander, android
to 'hacked Jogglers'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78759). Some of them
make great casual or hobby players, but none have the reliability or
simplicity of dedicated hardware. In fact I think the SB ecosystem from
having them available.
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*family room:* receiver
That's great news! Thanks for investigating!
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