Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
Hi MrSinatra, please, help me understand one thing about all this issue. You claim that you can't use existing features regarding the BAND option. I understand that ALBUMARTIST would work for you (I'm talking internal tags). Now, from a limited number of mp3 files I have, it looks like it is easy to include ALBUMARTIST tag into ID3V2.3 tags. So, what's preventing you from doing it - convert your BAND tags to ALBUMARTIST (I used mp3tag tool for that) and be done with it. What am I missing here? K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRhRv4q_SI http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Rescan doesn't work v7.0
[08-04-10 16:57:13.9171] Plugins::LazySearch2::Plugin::scanDoneCallback (1975) Lazifying database items not already done Please remove any 3rd party plugin to be sure the problem arises without. And as you're on a Mac - did you install SC for everybody or only yourself? You should install it for all users. There seem to be issues with user only installs. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
slimkid;290187 Wrote: Hi MrSinatra, please, help me understand one thing about all this issue. You claim that you can't use existing features regarding the BAND option. I understand that ALBUMARTIST would work for you (I'm talking internal tags). Now, from a limited number of mp3 files I have, it looks like it is easy to include ALBUMARTIST tag into ID3V2.3 tags. So, what's preventing you from doing it - convert your BAND tags to ALBUMARTIST (I used mp3tag tool for that) and be done with it. What am I missing here? K i know its a lot of posts, but i already explained this. i already have TPE2 tags. they already are the way i need them to be if SC7 would only use them for sorting, and not just labeling. i do not see why i must get yet another program and retag all my stuff AND all new future stuff. its a pointless and unnecessary extra step. if this were simply a case of island sinatra then i would do it, but its not. a lot, if not the majority of the mp3 marketplace is in the same boat i am in. that being the case, SC7 should recognize and respect a defacto standard that affects a lot of people, dare i say, the majority. its no different than having SC7 respect the much smaller minority of mp3 users who use the Txxx user defined mp3 fields, but are still a defacto standard, just of a different type (which are just as non-standard as using TPE2 as the 'Album Artist' field). people do download and try this SC7 stuff out, and if it doesn't work as they believe (and i agree) they think it reasonably should, then they'll ditch slim, with nary a complaint to anyone. that should be avoided at all costs. i want slim to succeed. more purchasers make this stuff cheaper. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
MrSinatra;290193 Wrote: i do not see why i must get yet another program and retag all my stuff AND all new future stuff. its a pointless and unnecessary extra step. You would probably want to anyway: to change TCMP (unless you went to iTunes to change just that one tag), to add various sort options (ie, ARTISTSORT: does WinAmp support that? As what tag?), and because its a heck of a lot easier using mp3tag to change every track in an album (or even a set of albums) than WinAmp. Especially when as far as I can see, WinAmp does not provide for setting artistsort or albumsort type tags at all. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
snarlydwarf;290194 Wrote: You would probably want to anyway: to change TCMP (unless you went to iTunes to change just that one tag), to add various sort options (ie, ARTISTSORT: does WinAmp support that? As what tag?), and because its a heck of a lot easier using mp3tag to change every track in an album (or even a set of albums) than WinAmp. Especially when as far as I can see, WinAmp does not provide for setting artistsort or albumsort type tags at all. this is what i am trying to say, i DON'T want to. i do not use or need those tags! i don't need or use artistsort, albumsort, or TCMP. all i need is for SC7 to give me an option, one way or another, to sort my albums via my existing TPE2 tags. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
JJZolx;290171 Wrote: Sounds like the following is needed (my apolgies to Mr Sinatra if he already stated this, but I gave up on trying to sift through all those very long replies quite a while ago): First, there's something we'd have to come to agreement on: There just isn't a whole lot of use for _displaying_ BAND as the byline for an album when you're not also sorting by that name. I can't see anyone wanting/needing this behavior with Flac/Ogg/Ape files when they have the ALBUMARTIST tag readily available. So... - We clarify the option to mean: Use id3v2 tags' TPE2 (Band) to be equivalent to AlbumArtist in Mp3 files. Move it out from under the 'Compilation' heading. I would suggest creating maybe an 'Mp3 Tags' heading, or possibly a 'Scanning Options' heading or page. So the option would no longer refer to using the BAND role for display purposes. It would designate how to treat a certain Mp3 tag. - When the option is set, map TPE2 directly to the ALBUMARTIST role. When not set, leave it as BAND. - Permit sorting of albums by BAND in the manner suggested (somewhere) previously. By using a hierarchy of ALBUMARTIST, BAND, VA, ARTIST(s) when determining the album's primary contributor. I believe this is the approach suggested by Philip in 'bug 6490' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6490). It permits you to maintain contributor roles of both BAND and ALBUMARTIST except when needed for dealing with TPE2 tags. So here's the issue, as I see it (personally speaking--I'm still waiting for enough info to make a professional call on it): Band was never supposed to be used for AlbumArtist, but it's been co-opted to this task by several applications. Given that, some people would like SqueezeCenter to optionally normalize Band (TPE2) to our internal ALBUMARTIST tag. That seems innocent enough a request, but Snarly pointed out this issue: snarlydwarf;290065 Wrote: The code that uses that flag is Schema::Album::artist. It is used precisely once, and makes no reference to TPE2, since that is called long after tags are normalized. So, yes, any change to how that flag works now would affect all formats that had a BAND tag. From the comments, if there is no ALBUMARTIST assigned to an album, and it is trying to figure out who to attribute it to for listing, it returns the BAND. It is never sorted, it is only displayed. Note this is only for listing. Unless I missed something, this is the only place this is used, and only affects the HTML generation. This was most likely meant to be used for a case like this: Album: Brandenburg Concertos . Artist: JS Bach . TPE2: Duluth Harmonica Quintet To distinguish it from: Album: Brandenburg Concertos . Artist: JS Bach . TPE2: Cleveland Symphony Orchestra That set of tags (indent means 'these are tracks',... and yes I skipped a ton of tags that are irrelevant to the illustration) would display: Brandenburg Concertos (Duluth Harmonica Quintet) Brandenburg Concertos (Cleveland Symphony Orchestra) which lets you distinguish between the two. (And, yeah, yeah, Bach should not be TPE1/Artist, but for a lot of people that tagging scheme makes more sense in their collection and tastes.) So there you have what the flag does... it is simply for display and is useful to seperate similarly named works when 'albumartist' is not really the correct setting. Which also seems reasonable enough (as well as a pretty apt description of what actually happens). I'm of the mindset--again, personally speaking--that the esoterica of these kinds of tags are so user- and application-specific that we really should not change much, in terms of the current behavior, but should better document how tags are used to people can mash their tags about in a fashion that works for them. As I stated at the very beginning of this thread, SC's handling of tags is either perfect, acceptable, or broken depending on your individual use of tags, music collection, and expectations of the result. Any change will likely just change the members in each of these sets, rather than eliminate the broken set. Given that, I'm working internally to gather as much information as possible to be able to suggest the lowest impact changes to how things are handled. Otherwise, we're right back here with a different set of users complaining about the way it works. However, I encourage the community to continue to debate this topic as it is very informative, both to the team here and to other users. Mr. Sinatra, I truly don't mean to be offensive, but just because an application with a big market share (like iTunes) handles tags a certain way doesn't make it the way all applications should handle tags. We support more music tag and file formats than iTunes and can't simply change things because a small, but vocal, group of forum posters thinks we should. As someone
Re: [slim] squeeze center acting odd after 7.0 update
with the 7.0 update i cannot get the squeezebox to not acknowledge my dvd remote. ive tried turning it off in the players basic settings page of squeezecentral, but it will not stay that way. if i use my dvd remote Do you mean it's always reset on that page? This definitely does work for me (I'm not only disabling the JVC, but I've added aditional files, too). What exact server version are you running? What operating system? Do you get error messages? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
MrSinatra;290160 Wrote: that was to jim, and i agree there is no TPE2 to ALBUMARTIST mapping, but my question is where are you saying the show band if ALBUMARTIST isn't defined option is? Exactly where I said it was... in Schema::Album::artist, and it is only used for -display-. It is the flag you are going on about where you insist it means TPE2, not BAND. Again, at that point in the code, the scanning is long done. It is displaying a web page or sending something to the SB3/SBC to display. It has no concept of mp3, FLAC, APE, whatever: just the already parsed tags, and it refers to BAND. Not TPE2. Hence why calling it TPE2 in the help is wrong: it isn't. That is only for MP3, and the checkbox affects -all- formats. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Lost station
Have a look here http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/ and search for GWR, select wiltshire and click on play to download the playlist file, open with a text editor and copy the first url into tune in url on SC. I've got that working now - took a while to buffer though. The url I used was: http://mediasrv-sov.musicradio.com/GWRFMWiltshire?MSWMExt=.asf An alternative url is: http://81.20.49.50:80/GWRFMWiltshire?MSWMExt=.asf -- Ramage T5500 1.6GHz, SC 7.0.1-18576 Win Vista, Alien 2.0 P4 2.6GHz, SC 7.0.1-17976 WinXP, Alien 2.0 P2 266MHz, ClarkConnect 4.1, SC7.0.1-18351, Alien 2.0 AMD64x2 ubuntu 7.10, SC 7.0.1~18576, Alien 2.0 Ramage's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5343 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46137 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
MrSinatra;290193 Wrote: i know its a lot of posts, but i already explained this. i already have TPE2 tags. they already are the way i need them to be if SC7 would only use them for sorting, and not just labeling. i do not see why i must get yet another program and retag all my stuff AND all new future stuff. its a pointless and unnecessary extra step. if this were simply a case of island sinatra then i would do it, but its not. a lot, if not the majority of the mp3 marketplace is in the same boat i am in. that being the case, SC7 should recognize and respect a defacto standard that affects a lot of people, dare i say, the majority. its no different than having SC7 respect the much smaller minority of mp3 users who use the Txxx user defined mp3 fields, but are still a defacto standard, just of a different type (which are just as non-standard as using TPE2 as the 'Album Artist' field). people do download and try this SC7 stuff out, and if it doesn't work as they believe (and i agree) they think it reasonably should, then they'll ditch slim, with nary a complaint to anyone. that should be avoided at all costs. i want slim to succeed. more purchasers make this stuff cheaper. First, respecting the Txxx user defined tag IS NOT the same as mapping an existing tag to a different use. That tag is mapped directly to its intended use; it is not redefined to mean something else internally. The TPE2 tag is also used exactly as it was intended--to display the band information when appropriate (see Snarly's example for how that works). Have you suggested to the good folks at Apple that *their* implementation of ID3 tags is not correct? How about ID3.org--have you tried discussing with them the fact they didn't do a very good job of defining useful tags for anything other than a standard, non-compilation album? Seriously. Do you think they even care that they've made this mess? The mantra that SqueezeCenter should conform to some other application's broken (i.e., not conforming to standards) implementation is getting a bit strident. We may decide to do that, but I don't find the argument that itunes does it so you should too to be very compelling. Nor do I think this problem is a significant inhibitor to our success at this point. But rest assured I get the message that you want what you perceive as the majority of MP3 files supported the way you think is correct. You may stop flogging that horse now; it's long past deceased. We're looking at what would make sense, given our current user base, our target audience, our product requirements, and our resources. Once I have all the information we need, we'll put together a proposal and gather feedback on it. I'll make sure we get you involved in that process as I'd like to see if we can reasonably accommodate your request without creating an overly-complex user experience or breaking things for other users. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
JimC;290195 Wrote: So here's the issue, as I see it (personally speaking--I'm still waiting for enough info to make a professional call on it): Band was never supposed to be used for AlbumArtist, but it's been co-opted to this task by several applications. Given that, some people would like SqueezeCenter to optionally normalize Band (TPE2) to our internal ALBUMARTIST tag. That seems innocent enough a request, but Snarly pointed out this issue: or, sort by SC7s BAND, or whatever method SC7 will allow so that someone can use their TPE2 field in their files for SC7 to sort by. anyway, you quoted snarly here: JimC;290195 Wrote: The code that uses that flag is Schema::Album::artist. It is used precisely once, and makes no reference to TPE2, since that is called long after tags are normalized. So, yes, any change to how that flag works now would affect all formats that had a BAND tag. From the comments, if there is no ALBUMARTIST assigned to an album, and it is trying to figure out who to attribute it to for listing, it returns the BAND. It is never sorted, it is only displayed. Note this is only for listing. Unless I missed something, this is the only place this is used, and only affects the HTML generation. This was most likely meant to be used for a case like this: Album: Brandenburg Concertos . Artist: JS Bach . TPE2: Duluth Harmonica Quintet To distinguish it from: Album: Brandenburg Concertos . Artist: JS Bach . TPE2: Cleveland Symphony Orchestra That set of tags (indent means 'these are tracks',... and yes I skipped a ton of tags that are irrelevant to the illustration) would display: Brandenburg Concertos (Duluth Harmonica Quintet) Brandenburg Concertos (Cleveland Symphony Orchestra) which lets you distinguish between the two. (And, yeah, yeah, Bach should not be TPE1/Artist, but for a lot of people that tagging scheme makes more sense in their collection and tastes.) So there you have what the flag does... it is simply for display and is useful to seperate similarly named works when 'albumartist' is not really the correct setting. Which also seems reasonable enough (as well as a pretty apt description of what actually happens). sure. i am not advocating changing the existing functionality of the option as it currently exists. i am talking about ADDING a second option to do sorting. please see this thread in developers forum, which i wrote as per your suggestion: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=290178#post290178 and allow me to repeat this from an earlier post in response to what you quoted of snarly above: i just want to add one point to that... if those were tracks, and you had group comps together AND list albums by band picked, then SC7 would show BOTH TPE2 values; this gets unwieldy very quickly if your album has a lot of differing TPE2 values, b/c they ALL are shown. JimC;290195 Wrote: I'm of the mindset--again, personally speaking--that the esoterica of these kinds of tags are so user- and application-specific that we really should not change much, in terms of the current behavior, but should better document how tags are used to people can mash their tags about in a fashion that works for them. i am not advocating changing current behavior, but rather adding an option. TPE2 already fills the SC7 BAND field, why can't that be an option for sorting? and i absolutely agree about better documentation. JimC;290195 Wrote: As I stated at the very beginning of this thread, SC's handling of tags is either perfect, acceptable, or broken depending on your individual use of tags, music collection, and expectations of the result. Any change will likely just change the members in each of these sets, rather than eliminate the broken set. Given that, I'm working internally to gather as much information as possible to be able to suggest the lowest impact changes to how things are handled. Otherwise, we're right back here with a different set of users complaining about the way it works. i personally do not believe that to be true. meaning i understand sloppy coding of SC7 could lead to that potentially, but it is not a NECESSARILY unavoidable outcome. i think adding an option to a program that has many options is not an impossible task. i do not claim to know how to do it, or which way is best. but in the developers forum i do suggest two possible way to achieve the goal. i do not think you should lean to being against it without showing or explaining how adding a new, wholly separate sorting option would break everything. and i don't see why such an option would be impossible. JimC;290195 Wrote: However, I encourage the community to continue to debate this topic as it is very informative, both to the team here and to other users. Mr. Sinatra, I truly don't mean to be offensive, i promise you, i do not take offense to your comments, but
Re: [slim] best stand-alone seakers to connect a SB3 to?
The A5s get two votes from me :) Downside is a bit too much bass and right-left balance is poor when turning the volume knob down. -- sand 2* Squeezebox 3 with Audioengine 5 speakers 1* QNAP TS-109 Seagate ES 500GB SlimServer Version: 6.5.4 - 12568 - Debian - EN - utf8 Server IP address: 192.168.1.4 Perl Version: 5.8.8 arm-linux-gnu-thread-multi MySQL Version: 5.0.41 sand's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46115 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
snarlydwarf;290199 Wrote: Then you can have Buddy Holly appear in the B's instead of the H's... And JS Bach in the J's. Sinatra? He's over in F's. you assume two things: 1. that i don't want to use first names and 2. that my tags aren't ALREADY Sinatra, Frank since you don't know if either is true, you can't claim its a problem. snarlydwarf;290199 Wrote: And you will continue to be baffled as to why some albums sort as VA and some not. (ie, TCMP or COMPILATION type tags, which are easy to see and delete... but not with WinAmp.) you assume i have TCMP/Comp tags, when i already told you i don't. i know i don't b/c if i did, i would have figured that out already by SC7 sorting something into VA that had no obvious known reason to be in VA, (such as differing TPE1 artists on the same album). -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Lost station
It is easier to use the Radiofeeds plugin for SC or access Radiofeeds from Squeezenetworks. See http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze.asp -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46137 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
that was to jim, and i agree there is no TPE2 to ALBUMARTIST mapping, but my question is where are you saying the show band if ALBUMARTIST isn't defined option is? snarlydwarf;290200 Wrote: Exactly where I said it was... in Schema::Album::artist, and it is only used for -display-. right agreed. i just wanted to know where it was in the UI, meaning i wanted to confirm its the List albums by band option you were talking about, and it is. thx for the clarity. snarlydwarf;290200 Wrote: It is the flag you are going on about where you insist it means TPE2, not BAND. thats what the SC7 infobox insists, and in fact while i agree it isn't always TPE2 that fills this SC7 BAND field, it is in my case. and my case is not some rare anomaly. snarlydwarf;290200 Wrote: Again, at that point in the code, the scanning is long done. It is displaying a web page or sending something to the SB3/SBC to display. agreed. snarlydwarf;290200 Wrote: It has no concept of mp3, FLAC, APE, whatever: just the already parsed tags, and it refers to BAND. Not TPE2. Hence why calling it TPE2 in the help is wrong: it isn't. That is only for MP3, and the checkbox affects -all- formats. again, i understand that. but i didn't write the current infobox, slim did, so your complaint is with slim. i just tried to be minimal in my changes, just doing what was absolutely necessary. i know that my proposed wording is similar but i think most people would figure it out fine, and the wording is all i would change, not the functionality, so in practice, its transparent to you. the fact is TPE2 does populate the SC7 BAND field if nothing else is available. but if something else is available, SC7 will use that. and i allude to that in my proposed wording when i say 'Band in some other software' (paraphrased). feel free to offer up how you would word it exactly. i'm sure my wording isn't the best, i just know its better than what is currently existing. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
i promise you, i do not take offense to your comments, but i just want to be sure you actually understand what i am proposing before you shoot it down b/c i am not sure you do yet, which is not a knock in any way, i'm just saying i'm not sure. and i never claimed it should. i have been arguing here for an OPTION, not a mandate. it just so happens that itunes, winamp, WMP, and many others have co-opted the TPE2 band tag to serve the album artist role (in those same apps). thats just the reality and it is a huge majority. i am asking for a new OPTION, and i am not asking to change or degrade or revoke ONE SCINTILLA of current functionality. i am asking to add ONE more piece of functionality. considering the facts at play here, i don't see it as minority request. Here's the real problem: you think of this a simply an option, because on the surface that's the simple way to see it. However, the reality--as everyone has tried to point out--is that this isn't a simple solution and handling it in the way you suggest may have all kinds of unintended consequences. Tag handling is borked, mostly because of these types of simple workarounds that have created a mess of the intended use of the tags. As I said in a separate message: we're gathering all the information we need to understand this issue and address it. Once we're confident we have some idea of what's going on, we'll put together a proposal and let the community comment on it. Once that's done, we'll be able to close on when/how it will be implemented. No one is dismissing your request. We're not guaranteeing it will be implemented exactly as you wish, but at least it's being considered. Can we let it go at that--at least for now? -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
MrSinatra;290210 Wrote: since you don't know if either is true, you can't claim its a problem. And you assume I care how you organize your music. If you want Sinatra under the Q's that is your business. I think it would be truly stupid and painful to navigate that way, but it is your library. you assume i have TCMP/Comp tags, when i already told you i don't. i know i don't b/c if i did, i would have figured that out already by SC7 sorting something into VA that had no obvious known reason to be in VA, (such as differing TPE1 artists on the same album). I assume you do, or you should, because you stated: (which is what it does now with my stuff, unless its a VA album or an album it THINKS is VA) That exactly describes the problem of having incorrect or missing TCMP tags. If you have an album that is being detected as VA because it has one track with some-other-artist, the proper way to fix that is COMPILATION=0. This forces the scanner to treat it differently. For an example, see the 2nd post on this topic where I showed some of the tags from a Sonny Bono tribute album, which I wanted attributed to Sonny Bono as Album Artist and did not want to clutter up my 'browse artist' with a bunch of bands I have no other tracks from. If you want to make SC (and iTunes!) handle those correctly, you should set the TCMP tag. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] best stand-alone seakers to connect a SB3 to?
I am not sure about the best, but if you want something that would blow most desktop speakers away at a price, try the Meridian F80 Clock Radio. You can also connect the SB3 directly into the F80's digital in. I dont mean to offend our friends of this forum, before getting the F80, I have tried the Audioengine 2 and 5 with great expectations from the rave reviews, and they sounded very weak and boomy in both cases. Could be the setup at the shop. Of course, in terms of value for money, the F80 is appaling. The same price would get you a decent living room system with something like a Naim Nait 5i and quite a decent pair of speakers. -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46115 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
JimC;290203 Wrote: First, respecting the Txxx user defined tag IS NOT the same as mapping an existing tag to a different use. That tag is mapped directly to its intended use; it is not redefined to mean something else internally. The TPE2 tag is also used exactly as it was intended--to display the band information when appropriate (see Snarly's example for how that works). i understand that, i agree. the point i was making is that Txxx tags are a defacto standard, but not a true standard. yet, SC7 still respects it. likewise, other software uses TPE2 as album artist. this is indeed not a true standard. but it is a defacto standard. i think SC7 should respect it. PLEASE KEEP THIS IN MIND: mp3 users have no way, NONE, to get their CDs to sort properly in SC7 using only standard tags! i think thats a huge part of this, one that can't simply be ignored. that means unless a user uses a Txxx type tag, it will be impossible for them to get an album sorted properly that may or may not be a VA album. if it offends your sensibilities to have an option to map TPE2 to both BAND and ALBUMARTIST, then allow a user an option to sort by BAND tag, (which is already populated by the TPE2 field). JimC;290203 Wrote: Have you suggested to the good folks at Apple that *their* implementation of ID3 tags is not correct? How about ID3.org--have you tried discussing with them the fact they didn't do a very good job of defining useful tags for anything other than a standard, non-compilation album? Seriously. Do you think they even care that they've made this mess? why are you trying to fight the tide? i'm not some lone nut. there are lots of people in this boat thru no fault of their own, people who you have sold to or want to sell to. is your reaction to them (assuming they even bother to complain if they don't like the results after DL), going to be blame apple and blame id3? go get another program, learn it and retag your stuff with non-standard tags? i know this isn't slims fault, i never said or meant to imply it is. all i am suggesting is it is to slims benefit to allow mp3 users to sort by TPE2 if they want, (and as many programs have made them expect will be the case). (i don't mean to say exactly how slim should accomplish this, just that it should be a goal) i mean, whats more important, SC7 and slim martyring themselves for a point that is true but nonetheless unchangeable, OR making the product flexible to account for an erroneous but widespread defacto standard? JimC;290203 Wrote: The mantra that SqueezeCenter should conform to some other application's broken (i.e., not conforming to standards) implementation is getting a bit strident. We may decide to do that, but I don't find the argument that itunes does it so you should too to be very compelling. Nor do I think this problem is a significant inhibitor to our success at this point. well, you conform to using Txxx tags that have a defacto standard. and thats a smaller overall population. did slim always conform to using Txxx tags? i'm asking that seriously, b/c i don't know. i agree its broken usage. but it is what it is. like i said, slim offers mp3 users NO WAY to sort their albums using only standard id3 tags. should that not be a goal, especially since a defacto standard using TPE2 exists in many apps? and no doubt slim is successful. but there is always room to improve. JimC;290203 Wrote: But rest assured I get the message that you want what you perceive as the majority of MP3 files supported the way you think is correct. You may stop flogging that horse now; it's long past deceased. i do NOT think its correct. i agree its wrong. but it IS the reality. it is the defacto standard. how am i supposed to sort using only standard tags? that option is what i want. if i can denote by it, i should be able to sort by it. i'm not trying to exasperate you, just make my case. i'm sorry if how i do it bothers you. JimC;290203 Wrote: We're looking at what would make sense, given our current user base, our target audience, our product requirements, and our resources. Once I have all the information we need, we'll put together a proposal and gather feedback on it. I'll make sure we get you involved in that process as I'd like to see if we can reasonably accommodate your request without creating an overly-complex user experience or breaking things for other users. -= Jim i absolutely don't want to change current functionality, or make other people have to switch up their existing info to fix this. i merely want to ADD to the functionality, via a single option. i guess ultimately i am confused why you would have a user like me have the option to DENOTE my TPE2 / BAND info, but not sort by it... what good is it for me to have things sort out of place? why is the first possible, but not the second? TPE2 is already in SC7 as BAND. is it an app killer to add an option to then sort by
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
- We clarify the option to mean: Use id3v2 tags' TPE2 (Band) to be equivalent to AlbumArtist in Mp3 files. Move it out from under the 'Compilation' heading. I would suggest creating maybe an 'Mp3 Tags' heading, or possibly a 'Scanning Options' heading or page. So the option would no longer refer to using the BAND role for display purposes. It would designate how to treat a certain Mp3 tag. Shouldn't refer specifically to id3 tags. There are two very separate parts of the system that we should be talking about: 1. The Scanner, for reading tags into the internal SqueezeCenter representation of a music library. 2. SqueezeCenter that reads the internal representation for display purposes. I agree with someone else's suggestion that there should be a screen that allows specific file format tags to be mapped to a consistent internal representation. A Scanner settings page for configuring what tags the scanner should look for, and how they are mapped to things that SqueezeCenter understands. Only in this screen should it refer to TPE2, etc. All other screens about the SqueezeCenter music library should use sensible names like Album Artist, Band, etc. From reading other threads, it looks like List albums by Band/by other artists option is working as intended, but has nothing to do with scanning or Various Artists/Compilation settings. It is a display formatting setting, so perhaps should be moved to Interface settings, or Advanced/Formatting settings page. The intenal SqueezeCenter processing of Album Artist and Band should remain as-is. If someone wants TPE2 (BAND) to really mean Album Artist, that would be configured as part of the Scanner settings. They then wouldn't have any Band contributor roles, because the scanner would have put that data into Album Artist instead. - Permit sorting of albums by BAND in the manner suggested (somewhere) previously. By using a hierarchy of ALBUMARTIST, BAND, VA, ARTIST(s) when determining the album's primary contributor. Disagree. If id3 TPE2 tag is mapped to SqueezeCenter Album Artist contributor role, there would be no need for this. You wouldn't have any Band contributor roles, because the scanner would have put that data into Album Artist instead. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
JimC;290213 Wrote: Here's the real problem: you think of this a simply an option, because on the surface that's the simple way to see it. However, the reality--as everyone has tried to point out--is that this isn't a simple solution and handling it in the way you suggest may have all kinds of unintended consequences. Tag handling is borked, mostly because of these types of simple workarounds that have created a mess of the intended use of the tags. i totally get that. please understand that its the GOAL i am arguing for, i leave the implementation to brilliant coders like you and dean and the rest of slim and the community. i just want to communicate how this lowly 'user' sees it. JimC;290213 Wrote: As I said in a separate message: we're gathering all the information we need to understand this issue and address it. Once we're confident we have some idea of what's going on, we'll put together a proposal and let the community comment on it. Once that's done, we'll be able to close on when/how it will be implemented. No one is dismissing your request. We're not guaranteeing it will be implemented exactly as you wish, but at least it's being considered. Can we let it go at that--at least for now? -= Jim you're a scholar and a gentleman. thx. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
and that means SC7 has no reasonable method to sort all albums for users who do not have user defined tags in their files. I think you meant sort all artists. SC does - it sorts by artist if there is not album artist. If you want an option to sort by Band, then there should also be options to sort by Conductor, Composer, etc, as Band shouldn't be singled out as being different from any other contributor role. I think when you talk about not sorting properly, you don't really mean sort at all. SqueezeCenter will always sort by the sort title of the artists (when there isn't an ARTISTSORT tag, the artist name is used as the sort title), but you don't tag songs with ARTISTSORT. You mean that you want a browse by band menu (as you have put an artist name in the TPE2 tag of all of your mp3 files)? Nb. CustomBrowse can do a browse by band menu. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
Defintely sounds like wireless interference to me. Alternatively, could be a bandwidth issue - FLAC can be pretty intensive - I assume you're not doing anything like downloading torrents or checking email on a laptop with a wireless connection at the same time as the dropouts? May be worth checking what other programs accessed the internet wirelessly at the same time as the drop outs. Try the Network Test plugin to see how well your network is performing (see links below) There's a good guide in the wiki to ways of improving wireless connection (see second link below) - the most obvious is to wire one of your hops (i.e. PC to router, or router to Duet). This will normally substantially improve the performance of the remaining wireless hop. However, if that's not an option: Download netstumbler (or equivilent) and check out the other wireless networks near you. What channels are they on? You want to find the least overlapping channel - the only totally non-overlapping channels are 1,6 and 11. 12 and 13 are also available in the UK. So if everyone is on 1 and 6, try 11. To change the channel, go into your router setup pages, there will be an option there. Also, if your Duet is surrounded by a lot of other equipment (metal / electrical) try raising it up a bit. The signal may be getting shielded by other bits of kit. Finally, the dropouts don't occur when you are using a cordless phone or microwave do they? These can both interfere with a wireless signal quite dramatically if they're in the same room. HTH http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?DiagnosingPerformanceIssues http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?DiagnosingPerformanceIssues -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
It definitely looks like it is losing signal. The problem is not with the FLAC files themselves. There are 3 things you can try (that I can think of). 1. In Squeezecenter, click on settings and then on Status to see the signal strength of your Duet. Check this a few times and see if it fluctuates as well. Ideally this should be a high, stable figure, especially if it is close to your router. 2. Sometimes moving your router just a small distance can make a big difference. Ideally it should be away from walls (and particularly corners) and the higher the better. But moving it just 50cm can have a massive impact (check the status as in 1). 3. How you change your channel depends upon your router. If you state which router you have hopefully somebody will be able to help you. And you are right, changing this can make a huge difference sometimes. -- PLynas PLynas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11960 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
Thanks both of you for your quick and detailed responses. I will work through the suggestions at the weekend. For info, this is the current report from the Squeezecenter help Signal Strength 10 :0 : 0% 20 :0 : 0% 30 :0 : 0% 40 :0 : 0% 50 :7 : 0% 60 : 64 : 2% # 70 : 690 : 26% # 80 : 1833 : 70% ### 90 : 22 : 1% 100 :0 : 0% =100 :0 : 0% max : 81.00 min : 44.00 avg : 70.069954 Doesn't look too good to me! There are no other wireless devices on the network - occasionally a laptop when my girlfriend comes over, but that works fine, and the problem occurs when she isn't here anyway. Cordless phone or microwave not in use at the time either. I would guess something must be intefering though for there to be such a variation in the strength, or is that not necessarily the case? Router is about 40cm off the floor in a corner of the room next to a desk, and the duet receiver (not controller - that seems to work fine) is on top of the hi-fi in the opposite diagonal corner of the room. Hope that makes sense. I will try and relocate the router on the desk instead of boxed into the corner near the floor. Thanks again Nick -- nickg1977 nickg1977's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
Signal strength is one aspect - yours isn't great but not bad either - but FLAC requires a good and constant signal. Lifting the router up will help with the signal strength, but won't deal with interference from other wireless networks. Defintely check for other wireless networks in your area - you may have more wireless neighbours than you think! -- Siduhe Siduhe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=723 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
No-one with similar experiences? I noticed today that when this happened the white light changed to blue for a few seconds. Very frustrating as I guess it is losing signal, which is a bit disapopinting considering it is in the same room as the wireless router, only 5 metres away. Might it be worth trying to change the channel it is operating on? If so, how do I do it? Many thanks in advance for any help Nick -- nickg1977 nickg1977's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
snarlydwarf;290214 Wrote: And you assume I care how you organize your music. If you want Sinatra under the Q's that is your business. I think it would be truly stupid and painful to navigate that way, but it is your library. always good for a laugh, huh? maybe i assume since you said You would probably want to anyway but now u don't care! i'm heartbroken. but enough about that... truly meaningless. anyway... snarlydwarf;290214 Wrote: you assume i have TCMP/Comp tags, when i already told you i don't. i know i don't b/c if i did, i would have figured that out already by SC7 sorting something into VA that had no obvious known reason to be in VA, (such as differing TPE1 artists on the same album). I assume you do, or you should, because you stated: (which is what it does now with my stuff, unless its a VA album or an album it THINKS is VA) That exactly describes the problem of having incorrect or missing TCMP tags. just b/c i think it makes more sense, the full context was: if the TPE2 tag was empty, then i would expect SC7 to use TPE1 to sort, (which is what it does now with my stuff, unless its a VA album or an album it THINKS is VA) so first of all, its not a problem by definition to not have a nonstandard tag. nor is it necessarily missing. i did not find TCMP on http://id3.org/id3v2.3.0 i also found no reference to the word compilation on that page. secondly, since there's no reason i should necessarily have non-standard tags, i totally understand why SC7 is putting albums into VA that in reality don't belong there. so when you said: snarlydwarf;290199 Wrote: And you will continue to be baffled as to why some albums sort as VA and some not. (ie, TCMP or COMPILATION type tags, which are easy to see and delete... but not with WinAmp.) you were incorrect. i am not baffled in the least. if SC7 would use the BAND tag to sort, it would put these albums into the VA section. there is an interesting question as to whether SC7 would still consider it a VA album however. snarlydwarf;290214 Wrote: If you have an album that is being detected as VA because it has one track with some-other-artist, the proper way to fix that is COMPILATION=0. This forces the scanner to treat it differently. proper way? by what standard? look, i appreciate the advice, but it applies to someone else. i don't use itunes, and i don't use non-standard user defined tags. i think if someone chooses the option of sorting by BAND, then on scanning some extra logic might be needed to determine if the album was VA or not if it had differing TPE1 tags. for instance, if the TPE2 tag said Various Artist[s] or Soundtrack or Original Soundtrack or maybe even user identified criteria to SC7, then it would be a VA album that should be sorted in the VA area. otherwise it might still be a VA album, but it should be sorted by the BAND tag. again, i do not know the best implementation, i am just arguing for the goal. remember, half of such an option is off or in other words, not to use it. in the off position, it wouldn't affect you or anyone else, assuming it was properly designed. in the on position it might not be perfect at first, but honestly i wouldn't expect it to be. like everything else with slim, i would expect refinements/improvements going forward. snarlydwarf;290214 Wrote: For an example, see the 2nd post on this topic where I showed some of the tags from a Sonny Bono tribute album, which I wanted attributed to Sonny Bono as Album Artist and did not want to clutter up my 'browse artist' with a bunch of bands I have no other tracks from. If you want to make SC (and iTunes!) handle those correctly, you should set the TCMP tag. i am well aware everyone thinks i should just give in and use a tagging app. but i don't think thats ultimately the proper solution. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
Philip Meyer;290225 Wrote: - Permit sorting of albums by BAND in the manner suggested (somewhere) previously. By using a hierarchy of ALBUMARTIST, BAND, VA, ARTIST(s) when determining the album's primary contributor. Disagree. If id3 TPE2 tag is mapped to SqueezeCenter Album Artist contributor role, there would be no need for this. You wouldn't have any Band contributor roles, because the scanner would have put that data into Album Artist instead. i'm not sure who wrote what ur responding to, but consider this... what you're saying is true IF TPE2 is mapped to the internal SC7 ALBUMARTIST field. (and btw, the TPE2 field could be mapped to BOTH BAND and ALBUMARTIST) however, i think what the person was saying is that a sort order logic could go progressively in that order if TPE2 filled the BAND field, which it does, and if ALBUMARTIST was empty. i know you said its never empty, and i'm sure you are right. so in that case, if the option is turned on, BAND could be at the front of the order instead. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No
Just for the record, I too tried connecting one of my squeezeboxes via Homeplug with no success. It would connect fine but music playback was very choppy and unlistenable. In the end I reverted back to a wireless connection which worked much better. I seem to remember in the past reading on these forums that other people had had difficulty using Homeplugs (and similar) with their Squeezeboxes. Just for the record, at the same time my XBox360 was connected to the internet using a Homeplug and worked perfectly. -- PLynas PLynas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11960 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42220 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
I had problems (in the past) until I changed my channel to 11, then everything worked fine. I definitely have another wireless network nearby because I can see it when trying to connect, so there must have been some interference there for me. -- PLynas PLynas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11960 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze controller losing network connection
Is there a release note for the nightlies? Some info regarding which bug #'s are addressed? MrSinatra;290167 Wrote: i have to say i have had some factory resets lately to get the firmware updated... but all in all, i don't think thats such a big deal. i think the SBC is amazing and i expect these issues to become less and less prevalent. i guess i don't understand why don't the people with problems use updates and factory resets to get to the newest revision? if worse comes to worse, use the SD card option... i think when u hit r2182 you'll find you love it. http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/trunk/ -- Tiger Tiger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16489 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45031 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nokia 770 Skin
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 Question: Do you have a 770? - Got it - Want it - Need it - Forget it bklaas;281410 Wrote: Tim-- I've determined your browser isn't being recognized incorrectly, but this is a heretofore unseen CSS bug. If you edit the slimserver.css file in the nokia770 folder of your SC installation, find the area for the 'pagecontainer' layout and change width from 100% to 96%. You'll see the horizontal scrollbar disappear, however you'll also see other pages (home, e.g.) not layout as nice. I'm not happy with that as a solution, but if the horiz scrollbar is annoying you, that's one way to workaround it. cheers, #!/ben Ben, Thanks for fixing the sort by bug in the list view dropdown. Could you let me know which files you changed? I use a seperate folder that has some modifided files in it. The scroll bar doesn't bother me that much. Is it registered as a bug? Tim -- timmorris timmorris's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Lost station
Superb guys, will sort it when I get home. Particularly like the idea of a plugin, makes it easier for us idiots! -- mundge mundge's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16635 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46137 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
Philip Meyer;290229 Wrote: and that means SC7 has no reasonable method to sort all albums for users who do not have user defined tags in their files. I think you meant sort all artists. SC does - it sorts by artist if there is not album artist. no, i specifically said what i said on purpose. and what i said is true. SC7 has no way to sort ALL albums reasonably using only standard mp3 tags. that is fact. the main issue, (and maybe the only issue?) is with albums that have differing TPE1 fields. other programs hijack TPE2 to fix this. SC7 however, does not respect that. and i am just repeating myself beyond that. as i alluded to earlier, it make take some extra logic-programming to have SC7 decode mp3 tags to get it to figure out what should be the VA section or not, but thats the kind of thing that can be worked on as we go i think. Philip Meyer;290229 Wrote: If you want an option to sort by Band, then there should also be options to sort by Conductor, Composer, etc, as Band shouldn't be singled out as being different from any other contributor role. well i don't think so, for two reasons: 1. i don't think anyone has asked for that and 2. probably b/c that is not a defacto standard in the mp3 population, meaning most programs don't give you that option, as they do via TPE2. Philip Meyer;290229 Wrote: I think when you talk about not sorting properly, you don't really mean sort at all. SqueezeCenter will always sort by the sort title of the artists (when there isn't an ARTISTSORT tag, the artist name is used as the sort title), but you don't tag songs with ARTISTSORT. i do not use ARTISTSORT tags at all. and SC7 does not sort by artists if an album has differing TPE1 tracks on it. in that case, it uses its own internal logic to classify it as VA. Philip Meyer;290229 Wrote: You mean that you want a browse by band menu (as you have put an artist name in the TPE2 tag of all of your mp3 files)? Nb. CustomBrowse can do a browse by band menu. Phil what is Nb? what is CustomBrowse? yes, i have all my TPE2 tags organized to sort things where i want them. here's what i mean, and i thought it was the same: when i browse artwork via artist, year, album, i want my albums to sort via the info that SC7 calls BAND, namely the TPE2 tags in my files. whats the difference between browse by band and sort by band? -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 (primary) / SBR (secondary) / Jive - w/SC 7.0.1beta - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram - D-Link DIR-655 MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
Philip Meyer;290242 Wrote: My own view is that if the ALBUMARTIST tag exists for every track on an album, it would be nice *not* to classify it as Various Artists whether or not COMPILATION is set. Currently, if you have COMPILATION=1 and Group Compilation Albums together, it's almost as though ALBUMARTIST is ignored: the album just ends up under Various Artists. I think ALBUMARTIST should prevent the album from being tagged as a compilation (compilation albums effectively sets ALBUMARTIST to Various Artists). I thought this was fixed (bug 3815 maybe?). I haven't noticed any problems like that in my library, but I may have set COMPILATION=0 to be sure, because there was a problem with this in the past. PhilThe reason setting COMPILATION=0 doesn't work for me is that for albums like my Larry Levan example (he's the ALBUMRARTIST) I want Larry to appear in the artist list (despite not having any other Larry albums) but I *do not* want all the other track artists to appear in the artist list. The only way I know of to exclude artists is to set the Group Compilation Artists together and set COMPILATION=1. At the moment I seem to have only two options: 1. (COMPILATION=1) Larry isn't in the artist list, neither are any of the track artists 2. (COMPILATION=0) Larry *is* in the artist list, but so are all of the track artists what I want is 3. Larry is in the artist list, the track artists are not. I'm not at all precious about what is or is not a compilation, I just want to achieve #3. Note that were there just one other album by Larry Levan, I would actually get the desired #3 by setting COMPILATION=1. Maybe all of this would be solved by addressing http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5108 -- smc2911 http://www.last.fm/user/smc2911/ smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
My own view is that if the ALBUMARTIST tag exists for every track on an album, it would be nice *not* to classify it as Various Artists whether or not COMPILATION is set. Currently, if you have COMPILATION=1 and Group Compilation Albums together, it's almost as though ALBUMARTIST is ignored: the album just ends up under Various Artists. I think ALBUMARTIST should prevent the album from being tagged as a compilation (compilation albums effectively sets ALBUMARTIST to Various Artists). I thought this was fixed (bug 3815 maybe?). I haven't noticed any problems like that in my library, but I may have set COMPILATION=0 to be sure, because there was a problem with this in the past. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver is woeful on Windows
pski;290150 Wrote: dang: 3k bogos... that thing should be beyond flying. It's a great solution for a large library, probably overkill for a small one. -- egd Internet forums: conclusive proof depth of gene pool is indeed variable, monkeys can be taught to cut code, and world peace is utterly unrealistic... egd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3425 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33041 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] A question on wake-on-lan
I'll try tonight and report back. I think there's even an enhancement request regarding this behaviour (one I voted for ;)) -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 3 + Apple Time Capsule + Wireless = no love?
I will try it over the weekend. Another thought occurred to me. The reciever sits next to a cordless digital phone. Maybe that is interferring. I will switch that off too. -- milesbeverley milesbeverley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16662 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
The message I wrote earlier about some sort of tag mapping customization seems to have been overwhelmed by tpe2/band/albumartist/txxx messages. Is the idea totally broken? or definitely too complicated ? or not user friendly enough? and doesn't worth talking about it? To answer MrSinatra, I can code, and I put a lot of free time working on a metadata handling framework that begins to reveals itself useful (for me at least... I must admit that is not *yet* a good definition of universal :) ). This work -I aim this goal- would permit to adapt tagging to any format and any existing software or softwares that are yet to come (and little after, I plan to rule the world, but that's another thread;) ). -- vrobin vrobin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] best stand-alone seakers to connect a SB3 to?
agentsmith;290219 Wrote: Of course, in terms of value for money, the F80 is appaling. Do you think so? You are getting a radio and a DVD player in a box that does digital sound processing and delivers a sound quality that blows Audioengines competely out of the water. I think F80 is a lot of money but not expensive for what you get. In fact I'm getting one as my bedroom system. MS -- MadScientist MadScientist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46115 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nokia 770 Skin
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 Question: Do you have a 770? - Got it - Want it - Need it - Forget it timmorris;290260 Wrote: Ben, Thanks for fixing the sort by bug in the list view dropdown. Could you let me know which files you changed? I use a seperate folder that has some modifided files in it. The scroll bar doesn't bother me that much. Is it registered as a bug? Tim galleryselect.html -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19369 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze Controller Backgrounds?
Yeah, would be nice to add your own picture/design! -- Svanur ...It's not the Years in a Life, it's the Life in the Years... Svanur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15840 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46144 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] FT review
Spotted this while reading the FT over lunch today... http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c2ef0e92-070d-11dd-b41e-779fd2ac.html MAKE WAY FOR THE MUSIC By Paul Taylor Published: April 10 2008 20:32 | Last updated: April 10 2008 20:32 Like most millennium house*holds, the Taylor #8201;family has assembled a formidable array of digital music. It includes a multi-gigabyte music collection on various PCs and home servers much of it ripped from CDs and subscriptions to several all you can eat music services including Real Networks excellent Rhapsody service. But in spite of having home theatre and hi-fi stereo systems in several rooms, most of our time listening to digital music is spent sitting at a desktop PC with rather inadequate desktop speakers. We might be better off plugging an iPod into a docking station or hard-wiring a laptop into one of the stereo systems using a product such as Xitels HiFi-Link for PC (www.xitel.com). But these offer only partial solutions. Xitels HiFi-Link works well, is easy to set up and is cheap, but requires a wired connection and can play only content stored on the specific PC it is connected to. As its name implies, Audio*engines AW1 Wireless Adapter (www.audioengine.com) does much the same thing over a wireless 802.11 link and is simple to set up. But in my admittedly interference-prone home, music suffered from repeated drop-outs. I have also experimented with digital media streaming devices such as Rokus SoundBridge (www.roku.com), which pulls in internet radio over a broadband internet connection, and with media servers that connect to your home theatre system such as D-Links DSM-520 MediaLounge Wireless HD Media Player (www. dlink.com), Netgears EVA8000 Digital Entertainer (www.netgear.com) and the Linksys DMA2100 Media Center Extender (www.linksys.com). These handle the full range of digital media including still images and video. Other systems such as my favourite, the Sonos Digital Music System (www.sonos.com), are specifically designed to stream digital audio files and web-based audio wirelessly throughout a home. The Sonos system, reviewed previously, is easy to set up and operate, uses advanced wireless mesh networking technology and delivers exceptional sound quality to any room in the house. The handheld wireless controller is a little bulky and heavy and the system is pricey a starter bundle designed for two rooms costs about $1,000 (£695). Recently I have been testing a new and lower-cost rival, Logi*techs Squeezebox Duet (www.logi*tech.com) which costs $400 (£280) for a single room system. It comprises a small black box receiver base station and a remote controller. The Squeezebox Duet can be expanded to a multi-room system additional receivers cost $150 (£99) and remote controllers $300 (£199). Logi*tech claims the system can support eight nodes (controllers or receivers), although given its bandwidth requirements, it is not as expandable as the Sonos system. Setting up the Squeezebox Duet is straightforward. I connected the receiver to my Pioneer home theatre receiver using the basic phono audio cables supplied. Configuring the receiver and controller for my home Wi-Fi system was easy but I had problems initially connecting to online music services (probably caused by my internet firewall). These issues were quickly resolved. Set-up took about 25 minutes including configuring online services through Logi*techs SqueezeNetwork web interface and downloading SqueezeCenter software on to a Windows, Apple Mac or Linux PC. The software is used to tell the Squeezebox Duet where to find your music files and playlists and to control the system remotely from any browser. The system supports non-DRM (digital rights management) music file formats including MP3, AAC and WMA from online stores such as Amazon and eMusic, or ripped from CDs. It cannot play DRM-protected files purchased from the Apple iTunes Store, Microsofts Zune Marketplace or any service that uses the Windows Plays For Sure DRM scheme. (Sonos and some other products support Zune and Plays For Sure files, but Apple does not license its FairPlay DRM technology to third parties.) The Squeezebox Duet can also route podcasts to your home system. Overall, I was impressed, particularly with the remote controller, which had very little lag time between making a selection for example raising or lowering the volume and hearing the change. Once set up and connected, the system performed almost flawlessly, delivering smooth audio from both local and online sources. If you want a low-cost digital audio system for one room or a couple of rooms and already have a home theatre or hi-fi system, the Squeezebox Duet is a good choice. On balance, however, in spite of its higher cost, I prefer the Sonos Digital Music System, which remains in a class of its own. THE BREAKDOWN Logitech Squeezebox Duet Pros: Flexible and reasonably priced digital audio system suitable for an
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
I posted about the same issues yesterday but no one replied. Try disabling all the plugins you don't need as I think it's more down to SC7 than the network. -- consciouspnm Duet/SB3 - Linn Kinos - Linn 5Ch Amp - Linn Speakers consciouspnm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5961 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help with Duet - randomly stops playing
PLynas;290248 Wrote: I had problems (in the past) until I changed my channel to 11, then everything worked fine. I definitely have another wireless network nearby because I can see it when trying to connect, so there must have been some interference there for me. This was a major problem for me at one point. Due to interference from a neighbour's wireless signal, I had to move from a G to a pre-N wireless router, which made an enormous difference. No dropouts since. -- ds2021 ds2021's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45827 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze Controller Backgrounds?
see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44675 -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46144 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Preferred AP list in WiFi?
@FredFredrickson: Both APs have the same SSID and Key (same PSK) in order to allow seamless roaming on the laptop. @danco: I hadn't thought of mac blocking, I'll check into that on the livingroom AP. Great suggestion! -- tlimon tlimon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46105 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to avoid the 'click' when a track starts
My CD-player had no digital output, but my recently bought DVD-recorder (Sony RDR-HX750) has a digital coax output and can also play audio CD's. I burned my test track to an audio CD and played it on the DVD_recorder. The result was the same click-problem in combination with the blinking NOLOCK. I also tried original bought CD's and they gave the same problem. So the Primare processor must be the cause of the click-problem. There is unfortunately no option to force the input to PCM or Stereo mode and disabling auto-detection of surround sound formats. See http://www.sumikoaudio.net/primare/manuals/spa21_manual.pdf -- bloemert bloemert's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16528 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45605 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to save a playlist?
In the 7.0 Web interface, I see no way to save a playlist. I can add things to the current playlist, but cannot save them the way I did in the old versions. I should be able to get a pop-up box that lets me give the playlist a name, and then puts it into my playlists directory. Am I blind? Thanks, Jim -- jarome jarome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46156 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised user interface?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157 Question: Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised UI? - Yes, and making it 3D would give it a real competitive edge - Yes, but it doesn't have to be that flashy. 2D would be fine. - No, the existing interfaces are enough - It might be nice but I would never use it A few weeks back I 'posted a proof-of-concept' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45158) to the Plugins forum; a 3D album browser using hardware acceleration. The aim was to spark a conversation over the demand and benefits of a simplified UI focused on being easy to use and heavily stylised, rather than being feature rich. Of course this wouldn't be a relacement to existing interfaces, just compliment them. I'm very grateful to those people who gave feedback, it's certainly helped me focus on areas like 2D vs. 3D. On hindsight, however, I wish I had attached a poll in order to get a more general feel for the demand, especially as the number of comments seems disproportionate to the number of downloads of the PoC! Hence the reason for this poll. Apologies if this looks like a cross-post, that's not my intention, but I can't retrospectively add a poll to my previous topic and I think this deserves some discussion from a wider audience. Here's where I'm coming from: - I believe there is a potential space in the Squeezebox setup for a simplified UI focused on being easy to use (particularly for non-owners such as house guests) and non-destructive (e.g. cannot accidentally wipe out the current playlist). - There is a perceived demand for a 10ft UI, one that can be displayed on a TV and controlled via a remote control. Integration with Media Center would be nice. - A UI that has a certain wow-factor (i.e. impress-ya-friends) could be beneficial, especially with the emergence of highly stylised products such as 'Sooloos' (http://www.sooloos.com). As you can imagine, I'm reluctant to work on this unless there is real demand, so I'd be interested to know what you think. -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now Playing on the Controller - Add Year...and other observations
alexg;290078 Wrote: Just an FYI...I am still using the old remote for the following: Turning off the SB3 ... FWIW, turning off the SB3 is available from the home menu on the Controller. cheers, #!/ben -- bklaas the Nokia770 skin guy http://www.last.fm/user/bklaas/ bklaas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46135 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help: SqueezeCenter iTune = No sound
Thanks for the help Eric. Trying to change the title to reflect the real problem see if someone had success :( -- hobieboy hobieboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46121 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised user interface?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157 Question: Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised UI? - Yes, and making it 3D would give it a real competitive edge - Yes, but it doesn't have to be that flashy. 2D would be fine. - No, the existing interfaces are enough - It might be nice but I would never use it I completely agree. I spent some time and money on a media center computer with TV hookups and all that jazz, because I was excited about the integration with Napster. I found out quickly that it was buggy, unsuported, and generally very poorly made to begin with. Since then I haven't even used my media center computer. It'd be nice to hook those up again... plus 3-d album browsing is cool, but it'd need to cache all the images quickly, browsing albums otherwise is a real pain, since the album covers never show up until you wait 3-5 seconds on the controller and squeezecenter. Blah! -- FredFredrickson FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeeze controller losing network connection
Looks like I'm suffering from similar symptoms. Receiver connects to Slimserver 7.01 without a hitch, Controller cannot connect reliably. Both are seeing 75-80% signal strength from my Linksys WRT54G router. Worked for a day yesterday, but became flaky again after another update in the eve. I can connect to SqueezeNetwork and listen to radio just fine but cannot maintain a reliable connection to SC running on Vista Home edition. SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0.1 - 18481 @ Mon Apr 7 00:21:40 PDT 2008 - Windows Vista - EN - cp1252 Server IP address: 192.168.1.108 Perl Version: 5.8.8 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread MySQL Version: 5.0.22-community-nt Platform Architecture: 586 -- Yannzola Yannzola's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45031 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to save a playlist?
Look at the bottom right corner of the playlist in SqueezeCenter. There's two buttons: Save, and Clear. That should do it. -- FredFredrickson FredFredrickson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46156 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
Your problem is probably the small buffer in the SB1. I would finetune the synchronization using the various settings available in SqueezeCenter. There are several settings you can adjust, along with good guidance for which changes you need for which kinds of problems. I forget which tab it's under, but first I'd look under advanced. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem synchronising with duet
I finally resolved my issue and got off the topic of Squeeze controller losing network connection. Unfortunately, a new issue has come up. This time, its sync'ing issue. I noticed, as other have pointed out, a slight delay when sync'ing 2 players. I have an SB1 the SBR hardwired via Cat5. They play perfectly by themselves--ie. not sync'ed. When I tried to sync both players to the tune of a same song (MP3 not FLAC), they -start- to play in perfect sync. But a few seconds later, the SBR would lag by a fraction of a second--creating that echo sound. I've tried reseting both my SB1 SBC to no avail. Again, this is not a wireless issue since both players are hardwired. The controller is running the latest update (it asked for the update last night 4/10) and i have Squeezecenter 7.01 installed in my Windows XP PC. Thoughts? -- jwaka11 jwaka11's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45775 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Sleep Timer Extension.
Would it be possible to have the SB3 sleep timer lengthened to give more time. We like to have gentle music playing in the bedroom till about 4 or 5 in the morning, and then our local station wake us on the alarm. I edited the config files of our Reciva radio's to do this, and wondered if this could be implimented on the Squeezebox. -- hacker hacker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16687 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46159 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised user interface?
Question: Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised UI? - Yes, and making it 3D would give it a real competitive edge Simplified? 3D? Hmm :-) Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter Rescan bug?
Kuro;289890 Wrote: After a lot of research, I finally narrowed down the cause of the rescan bug. It is version 5.0.51 of MySQL that has an ORDER BY bug when GROUP BY is used in the code SqueezeCenter code. Downgrading to MySQL 5.0.45 and the bug went away. Kuro, AWESOME job! Talk about finding the proverbial needle in the hay stack! I'm impressed! SS -- Secret Squirrel Secret Squirrel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4984 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How to use iTune as a slim player ?
Sorry about the double post but can't figure out how to change title of my last post (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46121) and now confirmed that this new title is more appropriate. Basically, if I tried to use iTune as a slim player accessing the SlimServer, I can't play any songs unless the song has already been MP3 encoded in my iTune library. My environment: OSX Leopard with iTune library SqueezeCenter in same iMac. Tried to play songs through iTune as a player thru same or different machine. Anyone knows what am I doing wrong? thanks! -- hobieboy hobieboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46161 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised user interface?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157 Question: Does SC need a separate, simplified, stylised UI? - Yes, and making it 3D would give it a real competitive edge - Yes, but it doesn't have to be that flashy. 2D would be fine. - No, the existing interfaces are enough - It might be nice but I would never use it mherger;290328 Wrote: Simplified? 3D? Hmm :-) LOL! OK, maybe some clarity is needed; not 3D-for-3D-sake but where it makes sense. Few can say that the iTunes CoverFlow interface isn't simple to use, on the flipside those attempts in the 90's to make 3D folder navigation tools were pretty awful. I actually think that, correctly used, the 3D space can improve a UI if used with the right metaphor. I suppose what I mean by simplify is to trim down the functionality to the basics, so even your enebriated mates can choose the music without wiping your playlists. Of course, I'm not suggesting that a 3D interface would be simpler to develop. :-) -- simbo simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46157 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wireless - yes, Homeplug - No
I have had no issues using the homeplugs with the SB - apart from when I tried to put a Homeplug into an RCD-protected socket outside...at which point I got the choppy sound etc... Much will depend on the state of your house wiring and that of your (close) neighbours. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42220 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
SqueezeCenter 7 under XP. Two SB3s synched up. Both SBs upgraded to latest firmware when SC7 installed. Music Folder is an external USB drive. Music ripped to FLAC using CDex. An old problem, revisited. A lot of classical music - and especially opera - has tracks that, on the original CD run seamlessly into each other. However, playing that music via CS / SB3 is giving me audible gaps, plus a little static blip, as we move from one track to another. Annoying - and it seems *much* worse under SC 7. Playing the exact same digital source via Winamp installed on the same PC gives perfectly gapless playback. So, how do I get gapless FLA playback via SC and SB3s? AGB -- agbagb agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] best stand-alone seakers to connect a SB3 to?
egd;290262 Wrote: Another vote for the A5's. I've also no hesitation recommending Acoustic Energy Aego M.and a me too :) for the AE Aego-M http://www.acoustic-energy.co.uk/Product_range/Aego_series/Aego_M.asp -- bonze TranquilPC T2-WHS-A3 - SqueezeCenter Version: 7.0.1 - 18576 - Windows Server 2003 - EN - cp1252 3 x wireless SB3 + a Duet bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46115 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
Gapless playback isn't supported with synchronized players. What does it sound like when the SB3s are not sync'd? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
MrSinatra;290239 Wrote: so first of all, its not a problem by definition to not have a non-standard tag. nor is it necessarily missing. i did not find TCMP on http://id3.org/id3v2.3.0 i also found no reference to the word compilation on that page. Yes, it is one of your defacto standards. iTunes uses it, and iTunes has more users than WinAmp, therefore Winamp should add support for it. Sort of like some other tags misuse secondly, since there's no reason i should necessarily have non-standard tags, i totally understand why SC7 is putting albums into VA that in reality don't belong there. And there is a mechanism for changing that. Many unix commands support a '-f' option. It means yes, I know this is not what I am supposed to do, but I am the human and I am not making a mistake, this is really what I want. -f is very useful. In the same sense, forcing compilation (or decompilation) is useful. now, if SC7 would use the BAND tag to sort, it wouldn't put these differing TPE1 albums into the VA section It would add all artists, even one-track-wonders to your artist list. there is an interesting question as to whether SC7 would still consider it a VA album however. It would set the COMPILATION to 1, yes. i am well aware everyone thinks i should just give in and use a tagging app. but i don't think thats ultimately the proper solution. If you choose to make your own life difficult, that is your choice. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Chumby streaming
Just bought a Chumby, enamored of the idea that I can stream Internet Radio from my slimserver. As I now understand it, Chumby does this by connecting to squeezecenter with a //slimservername:9000/stream.mp3 command. Am I correct that this requires the stream to be mp3 format? If that is true, does it then require me to transcode other internet radio streams, e.g. wma streams or my entire music library, which is in ogg? Is the transcoding set by player? Where? -- jfalk jfalk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46164 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Nightly Firmware Update
This morning I installed the nightly firmware update for the controller. When I checked the version I found I went backwards!! Was at r2182, now r2097 (march 7, 2208). Anyone else have this problem?? -- grrman Daily Gearhead grrman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16052 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spare cradle?
Personally, I'm ready to put in an order for 4 SBCs right now. (And a spare charging cradle too!) One question, though: Eventually, the SBC is supposed to be capable of local audio playback through it's headphone jack..yes? Will this happen with the current generation of SBC hardware? (I.e. this feature is just waiting on further squeezeos and squeezeplay development...yes?) Or will we have to wait for a new generation of SBC hardware in order to get this feature? -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46060 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to use iTune as a slim player ?
Not entirely sure I understand your problem, but make sure you have iTunes selected as your player in SC, and the audio file type settings are correct to alac/flac if you don't want to use mp3. I use iTunes on a mac pro, all at ALAC. -- grrman Daily Gearhead grrman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16052 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46161 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chumby streaming
jfalk;290358 Wrote: Just bought a Chumby, enamored of the idea that I can stream Internet Radio from my slimserver. As I now understand it, Chumby does this by connecting to squeezecenter with a //slimservername:9000/stream.mp3 command. Am I correct that this requires the stream to be mp3 format? If that is true, does it then require me to transcode other internet radio streams, e.g. wma streams or my entire music library, which is in ogg? Is the transcoding set by player? Where? Transcoding is set by player if you use bandwidth limiting or... if you use stream.mp3. Assuming you have the right software (ie, lame and sox) it will automatically convert ogg to mp3 on the fly when using stream.mp3. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46164 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Transporter problem - knob i locking
Less than 6 months ago I bought a Transporter. Unfortunately it had an issue with the knob locking up once or twice a day. Only solution was to take out the power cord - and plug it in again. Sometimes - not always - also the Transporter would not respond to the remote control. Fortunately I bought the unit from a very helpful dealer. He agreed with no trouble at all to replace the unit with a new one. The new unit did work perfectly for 3 or 4 month, but lately the same problem has reappeared: the knob is locking. Not every day, more like every week or every second week. Other than that I love the Transporter (well Im looking forward to firmware upgrade to fix the digital input issue). The dealer has offered me to send it to him to get a repair. But I'm wondering why this problem is happening to me twice? Is it likely that I have had two Transporters with almost identical faults? Or can there be some other explanations like firmware, software or something else? Any help would be much appreciated. -- jazztime jazztime's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4951 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46166 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Freecom MyPal Slimserver
Hello, I own a MyPal from Freecom and tried to connect it to my Slimserver 6.54. I did have no success, the slimserver sees the MyPal and starts streaming but the MyPal says connecting... and never connects. The MyPal is able to stream Internet Radio by giving it an URL that should be a stream like the one from the Slimserver. Does anybody know what to do to make the MyPal stream stuff from my Slimserver by giving it a stream.mp3 URL? Are there any tips and tricks? Thanks a lot! -slutz -- slutz slutz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11171 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46167 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nightly Firmware Update
How do you check the firmware level currently installed on the SBC? On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 10:30 AM, grrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This morning I installed the nightly firmware update for the controller. When I checked the version I found I went backwards!! Was at r2182, now r2097 (march 7, 2208). Anyone else have this problem?? -- grrman Daily Gearhead grrman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16052 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] This URL works with SN, not with SC
Thanks, bpa, I'll hang on to those URLs but what I'm really curious about is why the original URL resolves OK and plays with SqueezeNetwork but not with SqueezeCenter. Might this be considered a bug? -- short_y short_y's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44872 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spare cradle?
gharris999;290361 Wrote: Personally, I'm ready to put in an order for 4 SBCs right now. (And a spare charging cradle too!) What in the world do you need Four SBCs for Do you mean Four SBRs? I have a Transporter, Duet, and four SB3 in the house and only need one SBC. And at most can only think of very few times that I might even be able to use two. Now if I need any more audio sources, sure I will buy the SBR. I just can not see the need to ever have more then 2 SBCs (and that is only if I have an extra $300 laying around that I would not buy CDs with!). -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46060 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
aubuti;290350 Wrote: Gapless playback isn't supported with synchronized players. What does it sound like when the SB3s are not sync'd? Duh. Sounds perfect! Didn't think of that one.. Also - it's a satisfactory solution for me. I have the players synch'd for daytime casual use - one SB powers my main stereo; the other pumps into the whole-house system, which consists of mono speakers with their own volume control in each room. So, when the players are synch'd, I'm moving round the house (which has my home office too), doing stuff. I'm not so likely to be listening to Opera then, or to be bothered much by gaps if I am. If I want serious listening, then I can just un-synch the players via the remote. Slightly inconvenient, but OK. Question - is there any chance that gapless playback *can* be supported for synch'd players in some future release. Or is that asking too much of the art of the possible? AGB -- agbagb agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
agbagb;290380 Wrote: Question - is there any chance that gapless playback *can* be supported for synch'd players in some future release. Or is that asking too much of the art of the possible? AGB Glad that the simple solution meets your needs -- I didn't know if you were one of those I demand sync'd gapless now or I'll sue! types. Btw, lots of code was re-written for SC7 to make sync much more reliable than it was in 6.x. Yes, there is a chance that sync'd gapless playback will be supported in the future, but I understand that it's Really Really Hard (tm). SC currently keeps players in sync by re-syncing them between tracks, which takes a short blip of time (or a longer blip if conditions are unfavorable, like underpowered server, weak wireless, etc.). I suspect gapless sync would require more thinking ahead on the part of SC. I think it's on the devs' to do list, but not very close to the top right now. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chumby streaming
Thanks... guess I'll have to look into installing lame. More linux learning! -- jfalk jfalk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46164 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
aubuti;290384 Wrote: Glad that the simple solution meets your needs -- I didn't know if you were one of those I demand sync'd gapless now or I'll sue! types. My problem in life is that I've always been a nice guy. Follow up question. I usually handle synch issues from SqueezeCenter. Just trying now to handle it from the remotes had me a little confused. I can navigate to SETTINGS - SYNCHRONIZATION. But there I'm just offered a option to Synch Player A with Player B. But not an option to UN-SYNCH them. Is that just a toggle, using the PLAY button; or is there an easier way to command SYNCH or NO-SYNCH? AGB -- agbagb agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
Read the small text at the top of the SB3 screen. If they are not sync'd, it says something like Press right arrow to sync with If they are already sync'd, it says something like Press right arrow to un-sync with... -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
aubuti;290393 Wrote: Read the small text at the top of the SB3 screen. If they are not sync'd, it says something like Press right arrow to sync with If they are already sync'd, it says something like Press right arrow to un-sync with... Ah-ha! If you have - as I do - the text size set to biggest, you don't get that top line! You do get it on the medium and small text sizes. And I see the info I need (if i get close enough to the SB3). So, unless I get a top line even with the biggest text size, and get it in the next half-hour - I'm suing! AGB -- agbagb agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to use iTune as a slim player ?
grrman;290362 Wrote: Not entirely sure I understand your problem, but make sure you have iTunes selected as your player in SC, and the audio file type settings are correct to alac/flac if you don't want to use mp3. I use iTunes on a mac pro, all at ALAC. I did select iTune as the player thru the Server's web interface. I'll double check the file type settings tonight. To clarify the problem: Server can see all the songs/playlist scanned in from iTune. I can configure the server to use iTune as the player. iTune can receive streams from the server. But, the only songs that play are the MP3 encoded ones I imported into iTune. CD's that were imported directly to iTune (hence with AAC coding) were not playable (i.e. no sound). -- hobieboy hobieboy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16790 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46161 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to use iTune as a slim player ?
Also make sure you have installed Lame. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46161 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How to use iTune as a slim player ?
Ahhh, have a look at your file types options. You may find that the AACs are being transcoded to flac, which iTunes cannot handle. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46161 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
vrobin;290267 Wrote: The message I wrote earlier about some sort of tag mapping customization seems to have been overwhelmed by tpe2/band/albumartist/txxx messages. Is the idea totally broken? or definitely too complicated ? or not user friendly enough? and doesn't worth talking about it? To answer MrSinatra, I can code, and I put a lot of free time working on a metadata handling framework that begins to reveals itself useful (for me at least... I must admit that is not *yet* a good definition of universal :) ). This work -I aim this goal- would permit to adapt tagging to any format and any existing software or softwares that are yet to come (and little after, I plan to rule the world, but that's another thread;) ). The idea isn't broken, and it may well be how this problem gets solved in the end. However, it adds a layer of complexity to the process and we're already being dinged for being too hard for the average user. What we need is the most sensible default rules (which I think we may already have, Mr. Sinatra's opinions/issues notwithstanding), and a reasonable method for changing those. I would really like to avoid moving these types of settings to the SC interface, because they would require a rescan; much better to do them upfront, if possible. I'd love to see what you're working on, and would encourage you to contribute it to the code base here. There are some pretty amazing programmers (both here and in our community) that you would be able to work with on the framework and on the code. My team and I would be happy to provide input, as well, at least from a product marketing/customer-centric viewpoint. -= Jim -- JimC well, she wasn't all of that, but she sure was some of that. -- BKlaas' college buddy JimC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Nightly Firmware Update
You can check the firmware by: Home- Settings- Advanced- About on the Controller. Figured out that if my NAS is not on, the update is for SN. Once my NAS was on, SBC told me there was a new update, and installed correctly. Current version is r2187. -- grrman Daily Gearhead grrman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16052 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] best stand-alone seakers to connect a SB3 to?
Yeah, for classical music especially, I think the Aego-M might be better than the somewhat boomy AudioEngines. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46115 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
SC7 has no way to sort ALL albums reasonably using only standard mp3 tags. that is fact. That is not what you meant. The Browse by Album menu sorts perfectly well. The Browse by Artist menu will also sort perfectly well if you have only artist tags. As an added extra, you can override the default sorting by artist name by specifying an ARTISTSORT. As another added extra, you can use ALBUMARTIST tags to stop an album becoming a various artist album if you want guest contributors on an album. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
agbagb;290394 Wrote: Ah-ha! If you have - as I do - the text size set to biggest, you don't get that top line! Nope. My eyes are too good to need the biggest size text. Or maybe just my rooms are too small? -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] best stand-alone seakers to connect a SB3 to?
MadScientist wrote: agentsmith;290219 Wrote: Of course, in terms of value for money, the F80 is appaling. Do you think so? You are getting a radio and a DVD player in a box that does digital sound processing and delivers a sound quality that blows Audioengines competely out of the water. I think F80 is a lot of money but not expensive for what you get. In fact I'm getting one as my bedroom system. Pity, it's so ugly. Usually the stuff that gets marketed as 'Ferrari' sucks as well. I think Asus makes a Ferrari labeled laptop, that's nothing special but costs a lot. The colors may look great on a car, but on a radio? And then you're supposed to put that on a nightstand? I much prefer an SB3 with a hidden amp and logically placed speakers in my bedroom. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] FLAC and Gaps - Again
aubuti;290413 Wrote: Nope. My eyes are too good to need the biggest size text. Or maybe just my rooms are too small? Yep - my main SB is about 20 feet away from the sofa (we live large here in Texas!); and the secondary one is up high, on a shelf. And my eyes are not what they used to be, too... Anyway, all problems solved. AGB -- agbagb agbagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46163 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SC7 stopped working ?!
Thanks Andyg, I did a reboot and a complete rescan (after deleting the autorescan plugin) and all the problems seem to be solved. Groeten, Erik -- evroekel evroekel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spare cradle?
iPhone;290378 Wrote: What in the world do you need Four SBCs for Do you mean Four SBRs? Nope. I mean four SBCs! Currently, my only audio source in my house is my Transporter, feeding speakers in four locations. But I also have three SB3s running shadow-play and acting as nothing but glorified remote controls for the Transporter on each floor of the house The SB3s aren't even connected to amps or speakers. With four new SBCs, I'll keep one new SBC for myself and bundle the others with those SB3s which will get given away to friends and relatives. The SBCs should make the kind of too geek-ee (in my friends' opinion) SB3s totally accessible to them. Hu...now that I'm thinking it through, perhaps I'll be ordering SIX SBCs! -- gharris999 gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46060 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Duet Remote Control is constantly rebooting after firmware update
Hi today when I switched on my logitech squeezebox duet remote control on the display was a message which indicated that there is a new firmware available. So I pressed ok and after a while the remote control rebooted. But the rebooting process nevers stops now... screen turns black, logitech logo appears, intro music is played and zack, new reboot... How ca I stop the nonstop rebooting process? Is there a way to reset the remote control? Regards Uwe P.S. Even to remove the battery doesn't help -- Uwi Uwi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46172 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Album Artist vs. Band (TPE2) tags
and SC7 does not sort by artists if an album has differing TPE1 tracks on it. in that case, it uses its own internal logic to classify it as VA. Which for most people is normally the correct behavior. Most albums ripped from a CD with info obtained from an internet music source will have the same artist for each song, unless the album is specifically a various artist album. For people who want to further refine their albums/song metadata, they can define different artists on an album, and set compilation=0, which will force one of the artists to be chosen as the album artist. Or the Album Artist can be overridden by setting an ALBUMARTIST tag. what is Nb? Short for note:. what is CustomBrowse? One of a set of third-party plugins written by Erland, which provide different ways of organising/browsing your music collection. yes, i have all my TPE2 tags organized to sort things where i want them. You don't mean sort. Or maybe you do, but you are wrong. If you truly mean sort by BAND, then songs with no BAND would not sort correctly. What you mean is you have set TPE2 (BAND) to group all songs to appear under one artist on the album (which is not what TPE2 is meant to do, and not what the SqueezeCenter scanner does). If there were an option to do this for you, then the songs on the album would appear under that artist. That doesn't define a sort as such, the artist will be sorted by whatever sorting title attribute that artist may have. Eg. under B (not T) if it where The Beatles. Every song appears on an album, and every album has an artist. The artist associated with an album is an album artist, and that is what the browse by artists list shows, sorted by the artist sort title. when i browse artwork via artist, year, album, i want my albums to sort via the info that SC7 calls BAND, namely the TPE2 tags in my files. No you don't; that doesn't make sense. Every album has an album artist, and therefore you can create a list of artists from the set of album artists. But not all albums will have a Band, and not all songs on an album may have the same Band, so it's not feasible. whats the difference between browse by band and sort by band? If it existed, Browse by band would list all albums that have songs that have a band tag set. The list could be sorted by anything else you fancied; sorted by band would make most sense, but other sort ordering could be feasible. Sort by band suggests some other list of things, of which they are sorted by band. The way forward that makes most sense is to have another setting option for the scanner, to tell it to set Album Artist to the content of any TPE2 tag when the library is scanned. I suggest that this sets Album Artist only and not also the Band contributor for the song, but maybe people would want both. SqueezeCenter itself would remain exactly the same; you have a way of correctly setting Album Artist. Phil ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Duet Remote Control is constantly rebooting after firmware update
Hold down the + key in front of the Controller when you press the on/off button (the one with the house picture on it) to turn on the Controller, and release it after the Logitech logo disappears. This will reset the controller and it should be OK after that. Mickey -- MickeyG Transporter Classé Audio DR6 Mark Levinson 23 Wilson Watt 3/Puppy 1 MickeyG's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11644 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46172 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
