); Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
I thought you said in your presentation that this draft is being
AD-sponsored or going thru ISE?
I think maybe you are talking about RFC6706, which was AD sponsored.
The (bis) has not been picked up
Hi Behcet,
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From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 8:31 AM
To: Templin, Fred L
Cc: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi Fred,
Thanks
Hi Jouni,
Thanks for updating the charter, which is now v12! I'm fine with this
version (at least my comments were resolved).
Regards,
--
Hidetoshi Yokota
KDDI RD Laboratories, Inc.
e-mail:yok...@kddilabs.jp
(2014/06/14 20:20), Jouni Korhonen wrote:
Folks,
Another set of tweaks in github
...@innovationslab.net wrote:
Hi Fred,
On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
Hi Jouni,
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
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Hi Sri,
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:20 AM
To: Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
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Agree. We should ensure the base solution
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:30 AM
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Hi Sri,
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From
wrote:
Hi Jouni,
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From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nos...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Fred,
It is true IPv4
: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi Fred,
The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the time we
adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely be in 2016. So
Hi Sri,
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:32 PM
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Hi Fred,
Ack on the AERO capability.
OK.
I
]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 12:33 PM
To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi Fred,
The DMM WG is still discussing PS and the related issues. By the
time we
adopt a solution and complete the work, we will surely
Hi Sri,
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From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgund...@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 1:40 PM
To: Templin, Fred L; Brian Haberman; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi Fred,
Or, have IPv4 built-in from
Hi Behcet,
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:08 PM
To: Templin, Fred L
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Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Isn't AERO becoming
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Isn't AERO becoming an RFC already?
We already have RFC6706 as an experimental RFC, but I am working
on a (bis
Hi Behcet,
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 3:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
I thought you said
Hi Jouni,
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From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nos...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Fred,
It is true IPv4 is there (and will be for a long time
Hi Fred,
On 6/18/14 11:25 AM, Templin, Fred L wrote:
Hi Jouni,
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From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nos...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 3:00 AM
To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Fred
Hi Jouni,
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From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.nos...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 9:41 AM
To: Templin, Fred L; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Fred,
6/16/2014 5:59 PM, Templin, Fred L kirjoitti:
Hi Jouni
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Verzonden: vrijdag 13 juni 2014 13:41
Aan: dmm@ietf.org
Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Folks,
New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
(thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still
Van: dmm [dmm-boun...@ietf.org] namens Jouni Korhonen [jouni.nos...@gmail.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 13 juni 2014 13:41
Aan: dmm@ietf.org
Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Folks,
New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials
Hi,
6/14/2014 7:34 AM, Hidetoshi Yokota kirjoitti:
Hi Jouni and all,
Thanks for updating the charter, which is much tidy now.
Sorry for my late response, but I have a couple of comments below:
o With regard to enhanced mobility anchoring (mid-session anchor
switching), there were a lot of
Btw, I'm not aware of any decision that the baseline protocol will be PMIP.
CMIP is equally on the table.
Sure. For the anchoring stuff that was kind of assumed to be PMIP though.
Possibly in some individual's minds.
(Btw, it's likely that this WG would come up with multiple
Folks,
New update (v9) available. I added most of the editorials from Charlie
(thanks) and the red texts from Alper.
The lot debated anchoring term (and milestone) is still there. The
milestone does not mention anymore about preserving the mobility
sessions and stuff. That would be up to
On Jun 14, 2014, at 2:37 AM, Charles E. Perkins wrote:
Hello Jouni,
Thanks for incorporating some of my suggested revisions.
Follow-up below...
On 6/13/2014 3:41 AM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
/* What about RFC 5568 (FMIP)? */
There is the ..such as.. so I think there is no really
Hi Jouni and all,
Thanks for updating the charter, which is much tidy now.
Sorry for my late response, but I have a couple of comments below:
o With regard to enhanced mobility anchoring (mid-session anchor
switching), there were a lot of discussions in the past as you know and
eventually that
Hi Jouni and all,
With regard to the milestone, it looks getting more aggressive. If we
think of the current pace of creating the problem statement and
requirements documents, submitting the I-Ds to IESG by next March
doesn't seem to be very realistic...
Just a few other comments below:
Jouni,
Based on earlier discussions, and what you wrote below, there are 3 distinct
things:
1. *MIP maintenance.
Any bug fix or improvement not driven by DMM, but for the sake of maintaining
the *MIP baseline protocols, are handled here.
2. MIP-based DMM solutions.
3. Non-MIP-based DMM
Alper,
The latter bullet (forwarding path etc) is imho clearly in your 3. choice
below. It can also be 2. since it is not yet stated what is the baseline
protocol. The protocol solution will then determine that. The former bullet
(enhanced anchoring etc) is imho clearly your 2. more than 1. It
Alper,
6/12/2014 10:55 AM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
Jouni,
I think I can understand and follow now, after your explanation.
I cannot say the same when reading the charter text.
Right. Then we just need to tweak the text, since if you have issues to
parse it the IESG will have double that.
I don't understand why anchoring, re-anchoring are still in the charter.
There is no need for these terms.
We need to use general approaches in the charter such as routing,
network-based, client-based.
We also need to acknowledge the fact that almost all carriers will
have cloud networks by the
Hi Jouni,
Thank you for the revision.
Here are my comments:
When extending non- IP mobility protocols, solutions should be
reviewed and ratified by the WGs having the ownership of those
protocols.
I think you mean protocols that are not based on Mobile IP instead of non-IP
Hi Jouni,
o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a gateway
and
mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor switching
that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC 6097,
6463,
and 5142. The solution should also
Alper,
On Jun 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Alper Yegin wrote:
Hi Jouni,
o Enhanced mobility anchoring: define protocol solutions for a gateway
and
mobility anchor assignment and mid-session mobility anchor switching
that go beyond what has been, for example, described in RFC
charter text updates in github..
Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
We better clarify what anchor re-selection stands for.
If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's
one
thing.
If it is about changing the IP anchor in the middle of an IP flow, that's
another
Thanks.
BR
Xinpeng
-Original Message-
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 7:47 PM
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Folks,
Minor changes..
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re
DMM is supposed to work on those solutions. In a similar manner what is
done with AAA protocols, DHCP etc.. folks outside the protocol owning
WG do work and at some point of time get reviews etc from there.
- Jouni
6/9/2014 3:49 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti:
Basically, this says in limited
this clarifies that the “anchor re-selection” can apply to a
single session also?
BR,
John
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From: dmm [mailto:dmm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter
Of Alper Yegin
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
We better clarify what anchor re-selection stands for.
If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's
Korhonen
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 7:47 PM
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Folks,
Minor changes..
https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.tx
t
IMHO..the charter as it is today, would allow pretty much any solution from
legacy
Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi John,
My reading of that sentence is different.
To me it says We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing would
be available on all networks across the Internet.
While I'd agree
: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
To: John Kaippallimalil
Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi John,
My reading of that sentence is different.
To me it says We cannot assume that the solutions we are developing would be
available
serious reservations against clarification.
Best Regards,
John
From: Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.ye...@yegin.org]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
To: John Kaippallimalil
Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi John,
My
: dmm [mailto:dmm-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alper Yegin
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
We better clarify what anchor re-selection stands
: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
We better clarify what anchor re-selection stands for.
If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's
one
thing.
If it is about changing the IP anchor
...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni
Sent: Freitag, 6. Juni 2014 17:06
To: Alper Yegin
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Good point Alper. Lets hash that anchor reselection details out shortly.
--
Jouni Korhonen
Broadcom
(Sent from my mobile..)
Alper Yegin
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Van: dmm [dmm-boun...@ietf.org] namens John Kaippallimalil
[john.kaippallima...@huawei.com]
Verzonden: vrijdag 6 juni 2014 16:56
Aan: Alper Yegin; Jouni Korhonen
CC: dmm@ietf.org
Onderwerp: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi Alper, All:
Towards the end of the charter
, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hello Jouni, DMM folks,
We better clarify what anchor re-selection stands for.
If it is about selecting different anchors for different IP flows, that's
one
thing
, I don't have any
serious reservations against clarification.
Best Regards,
John
From: Alper Yegin [mailto:alper.ye...@yegin.org]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 10:53 AM
To: John Kaippallimalil
Cc: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] draft charter text updates in github..
Hi John,
My
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