On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 11:12 PM, Sidd wrote:
Here's an interesting observation:
...
Thus, I have been MUCH better off keeping my money in a NZ bank at an
interest rate of 6.5% than I would have been if I had kept it in gold.
Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you
At 10:56 PM +1300 12/4/03, Graham Kelly wrote:
MS,
Can I assist? I cannot get you a NZ account, but I can help other ways,
maybe!
Graham Kelly CEO
CEO of what?
Can you recommend an NZ bank that accepts deposit accounts
(preferably with VISA debit card) from non-natives, offers that
6.5%
Jim Davidson wrote:
Tell anyone else you know who would be interested in buying
these items with e-gold. I'm not doing this entirely for my
own financial gain.
I must say that the GoldBarter.com auction site exists
entirely for financial gain. It is not only okay, but
preferred that people
Robert B.Z. wrote:
Fourthly -- the sensation of being paid .62 grams, forty times, at
Noon on the first of the month is something like this:
Somebody get this man laid.
I Beg to differ Robert, The Marketing Major you write of has no issues
regarding your concern, I think your statement rude
go directly to the source: http://www.epassporte.com
Graham,
How do we fund the Virtual Visa by the e-gold sale. Tom is looking to
sell e-gold now, how does he do it?
We can't find any mention of it on your web (being so new), so should he
use the Fund Debit Card form? What is the e-gold
At 5:12 PM +1300 12/4/03, Sidd wrote:
Here's an interesting observation:
...
You Americans must be really pissed at how your currency is being
destroyed!
So far, it doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Most folks have
probably forgotten the high inflation days of the '70s by now, so
it's a
Mike,
What I'm looking for should be obvious: A debit card with low or no
currency-conversion fees which I can use anywhere in the world, off a
deposit account with a decent rate of interest, in a currency which
equals or beats gold. If should also be easy to move funds into and
out of the
Frankly, all members on this list SHOULD fly to NZ, and get a bank
account. The NZ internal P2P transfers are mostly dynamic...
... and come to lunch with me, when you arrive!
BTW, I simply call my bank, and request international transfers, mutiple
times per day.
Graham Kelly CEO
On Fri, 5 Dec
at least he shows some respect and has business communication skills. You
SHOUT like you are a 12 your old spoiled brat on an aol forum.
Would you not get farther if you calmed down and spoke to Graham offlist and
present your advise professionally? You might get better results.
Gordon
NO. HE
at least he shows some respect and has business communication skills. You
SHOUT like you are a 12 your old spoiled brat on an aol forum.
Would you not get farther if you calmed down and spoke to Graham offlist and
present your advise professionally? You might get better results.
Yep...
-
from ddos.com
Thank you for your request.
ISecure 100 $18,000 plus 3 annual maintenance fee payments of 20% of list
pricing (iSecure 100=$3600/yr). (iSecure100 v.1 immediately available with
free upgrade to iSecure100 v.2 January 15th).
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Garry,
Please let me educate you here. Epassport will not fund Mark's/Tom's
debit card by an ecurrency payment. However, I can and will, along with
all the other customers/market makers who wish to use their/our/my
services.
That's what I AM! Proud to be a market maker!
Guys: If you want a
LOL, My wife thinks I'm stupid, on a regular basis... but most of my
staff/customers/suppliers seem to like me. Certainly, the customers vote
with their $$$. As always.
If only you knew the truth about Steve Renner... and Ragnar is a complete
gentleman, and a sharp operator. You would be well
I did business with goldNow and Graham Kelly and I was disgusted.
Then don't re-use his services.
His lies are so obvious! His www.goldnow.st page has only about 50 hits
daily, check on www.alexa.com !
http://pages.alexa.com/prod_serv/traffic_learn_more.html
The Alexa Toolbar turns itself
My understanding is that alexa only tracks traffic from alexa users with the
toolbar installed and that makes it a tool with little use and is heavily
underreporting peoples actual traffic.
Gordon
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Somebody get this man laid. He is hallucinating of a life back in 1850
when $300 could have bought him all that...
Robert, my madcap friend, it is not so much the volume of gloriously
passive monthly money ($300), but the style and ease of having an
investment in the e-gold universe
Having been
What a day for gold, with wild swings up and down, still ending up though:
http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html
Like the previous day, a very turnaround signal - maybe a short down
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Hello Patrick,
Patrick Chkoreff wrote:
Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you have a
bottom line figure on NZD/AU? I mean, how much has the price of gold
in NZD dropped over the last two years?
Actually, from the data I have, in the same time period I quoted
before, it
I did business with goldNow and Graham Kelly and I was disgusted.
His unprofessionalism only matches the ones of Ragnar from Gold Age
and Steve Renner
from CashCards. It is a wonder how a guy like him is let to advertise
on e-gold-list every
single day, his bullshits.
I just have to say
His lies are so obvious! His www.goldnow.st page has only about 50 hits
daily, check on www.alexa.com !
Perhaps you would like to tell us how in God's name is that relevant to the
traffic of a site?! Or perhaps you should first understand how a 'hit' of a
web page is and can be counted... or,
You are stupid ! I take e-gold from my customers for my services and I
advice them to use goldnow.st to buy egold.
I never heard any complaints and money are coming to me very nice
YOU ARE A ASS !
I dont know Kelly and he does not know me either I dont have any affiliation
with him. You are
On Thursday, December 4, 2003, at 03:22 PM, Sidd wrote:
Interesting. You mentioned USD/AU and USD/NZD, but do you have a
bottom line figure on NZD/AU? I mean, how much has the price of gold
in NZD dropped over the last two years?
Actually, from the data I have, in the same time period I
The charts you may be after could be found here... Just change the studies,
I use the EMA's 9,18 with 50 as filter in the 5 and 10 minute intervals,
along with RSI 14 and MACD 12;26;9. For a broader look at things you may
want to adjust time scales for the historic data you are after Sidd. You
My understanding is that alexa only tracks traffic from alexa users with the
toolbar installed
with millions of users it may not be 100% accurate but it is a very useful tool in
comparing popularity of sites and traffic fluctuations.
you may see that paybygold has a traffic rank of 197,030
Garry gave me USD worth of e-gold, and requested an exchange into
DMT/Alta credits, which was delivered into his DMT/Alta account, albeit
very late. AFTER the deal was concluded, he wanted a cancellation of the
order. So, we reversed the entire process, and we returned USD worth of
e-gold in full,
On 05/12/2003, at 9:18 AM, Internet Investment Group wrote:
Graham: Garry gave me USD worth of e-gold,
[...]
Garry: We wanted e-gold to get transferred into our ALTA account but
you delivered USD.
Looks fair...
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On 05/12/2003, at 9:17 AM, Internet Investment Group wrote:
My understanding is that alexa only tracks traffic from alexa users
with the
toolbar installed
with millions of users it may not be 100% accurate but it is a very
useful tool in comparing popularity of sites and traffic fluctuations.
Mike,
What I'm looking for should be obvious: A debit card with low or no
currency-conversion fees which I can use anywhere in the world, off a
deposit account with a decent rate of interest, in a currency which
equals or beats gold. If should also be easy to move funds into and
out of
That is just a piece of nonsense. Hits from whatever subset of DGC users
are Alexa users, has extremely little correlation to the actual business
volume GoldNow is handling. You put up a single information page about
e-gold and you may get thousands of hits per day, but may be doing no
business at
For god's sake Graham does your email work pal?
Send me an email off list dude !!
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Incidentally, be careful of these centralized-email systems, if
privacy
Listen to your comments today Graham Kelly.
Garry: CAPS is considered shouting in a list.
AFTER the.
AT THE TIME...
MOST of...
ALL aspects...
SOME of...
with BOTH those...
do some WORK!
LOL, My wife thinks I'm stupid,
And finally.
GOD.
That's what I AM!
/Drew
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Dear Jim,
Dear JP,
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Hi Nits,
Thank you for your suggestion about GOLDNOW - I know they are respectable
exchanger.
ARE YOU SURE THAT THE CARD IS ACTIVATED ?
I recieved my card with in 12 days of ordering and preloaded with $11
in it. I got a preactivated card .
I don't know was it preactivated or not. I
Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not arguing backed vs. fiat, or base system denominations, but
inter-currency transaction roll-backs. When a transaction is made across
non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what
amount should be refunded?
I don't think it's
the order was reversed because goldLATER sent us usd instead of e-gold.
we are faced with a loss in gold because goldLATER delayed our order. we had to wait
approximately THREE WEEKS!
graham kelly delayed it and should pay the price for this delay.
in fact he has not to pay any price for this
From: Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold
when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded
him.
We cancelled the order because you sent us USD instead of e-gold into our ALTA
account.
Apparantly,
From: Graham Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
As a result, GoldNow will be able to create a VIRTUAL Visa card for y'all literally
within *seconds*, as well as fund it immediately!! (Well, maybe not ALL 32,000+
GoldNow stomers, within seconds!) The card will also have a CVV2 number. This is to
be
I'm not sure in the case of DMT since I'm not that familiar with it. If it
was for a certain amount of -gold- in the DMT system, then the amt. of gold
should be returned.
yes it was for a certain amount of (e-)gold in the DMT system...but goldLATER only had
USD in their ALTA account.
--
The ethical way to deal with a situation like this is to return
the
exact amount of gold by weight to the customer, not the USD
value.
Sidd.
Why is that the case when the transaction was done in USD, and the
site/emails contain notices stating such an eventuality?
A transaction should be
I'M EXCITED TO INFORM YOU THAT I ALREADY RECEIVED AN ENQUIRY OF A COMPETITOR OF GRAHAM
KELLY: :-)
COMPETITION IS GOOD AND BRINGS DOWN PROFITS.
THIS IS ANOTHER HYPE.
YOU DON'T NEED TO BUY THESE CARDS FROM GOLDLATER/MARKETINGGUY.
IF YOU ARE INTERSTED I COULD TELL YOU WHERE (URL) YOU COULD
At 11:18 AM -0500 12/3/03, Internet Investment Group LLC wrote:
I'M EXCITED TO INFORM YOU THAT I ALREADY RECEIVED AN ENQUIRY OF A
COMPETITOR OF GRAHAM KELLY: :-)
I'm sure that everyone on the list here is excited that you've
informed them personally of that exciting development.
COMPETITION IS
If you don't like the services or service that Graham Kelly offers,
and clearly you don't, then simply don't use them in the future. I
think you've made the point about your dissatisfaction many times
over.
still waiting for the gold
--
Garry,
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to this... again! You are
correct, we were delayed 3 weeks, as we had issues accessing the DMT
system. As I recall, so did YOU! As well, one of our suppliers of
ecurrency who promised us fast delivery of DMT let us down (very unusual,
and now
One question though - was the exchange order in terms of USD or
grams of gold? It is technically correct that e-gold does the
transactional work on a grams basis. However, what was the spend, and
exchange request, recorded as - 580 USD worth of or x grams of?
580 USD worth of e-gold
--
Dear Daniel,
Fire Fairy Wings
http://www.goldbarter.com/viewauction.jsp?id=315
Well, that's a new one.
Tell anyone else you know who would be interested in buying
these items with e-gold. I'm not doing this entirely for my
own financial gain.
I must say that the GoldBarter.com auction site
E-gold offers a pretty compelling argument, on their web
site, that e-gold is better for merchants than credit cards.
Jim Ray? What's that link again?
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* largest total USD equivalent amount spent in one day: USD 11,763,781
What day was that?
- John
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And it's in INTERNATIONAL waters, so finders-keepers
is still possible! WooHoo!
Forgive my naivette, but wouldn't the proceeds belong
to the insurance firm which covered the original wreck?
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why pay a middleman when you can have it directly from the source. :-)
please go to http://www.epassporte.com instead of goldLATER.
graham, you thought you could make fast bucks by introducing your
cards fast (before i expose it) ...but again you are to loo lategoldLATE.st
From: Graham
At 2:40 PM -0800 12/3/03, David Beroff wrote:
...
Forgive my naivette, but wouldn't the proceeds belong
to the insurance firm which covered the original wreck?
...
Well, there are a variety of legal doctrines which apply to
abandoned property, and the law would probably want
to _encourage_
Also, what is your opinion of the top 3 hard gold assets to own for
investment purposes? (I am speaking of the ones that are readily sellable in
a high priced market.)
Well I think owning IG gold (goldmoney, e-gold or
whatever) is probably your best bet Gordon.
You can always sell e-gold at or
Fourthly -- the sensation of being paid .62 grams, forty times, at
Noon on the first of the month is something like this: imagine waking
up in the morning, but you aren't tired or hungry and have no cobwebs
in your eyes, you sit up in zero gravity and find you are sitting
naked in the
Good Job !!!
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Robert,
Talking about market thrills, dontcha just love it when a disgruntled
(ex, I hope!) customer forces your marketing plan just a tad forward?
Ah well, that's life! Nothing harmed, just a bit of excitement, is all!
Just a bit unexpected!!
Orders continue to pour in! :)
Have you sorted out
Hi,
Current gold price is $404.xx The highest price I see
since I play with e-gold. Do you think the price will
go up?
Yes, sure the prices will go up. I personally expect it to exceed $1000
within a few years. Please see the following article.
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Are any there exchange providers willing to accept regular and/or
occassional direct deposits (affiliate program checks) for exchange to
e-gold?
We're not a provider (yet) but I guess we could do it,
assuming that the affiliate program was reasonably
Hi,
I would have to agree... I did call around today and the local rates on
american Eagles are $31.35 over spot and to sell they are paying $4 under
spot. Canadian Maples are going for $28.75 over spot. One would need a
fairly large upswing to overcome that so i don't yet see how holding hard
Here's an interesting observation:
In the last 2 years, most people have been excited about the rise in
the gold price. On this day in 2001 the gold price was $275/ounce
http://kitco.com/scripts/hist_charts/daily_graphs.cgi
Today the gold price is $403/ounce.
Subject: CASHCARDS: noone cares that they ran with the money?
From: Patrick Verbeer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Patrick,
I cannot find you as being one of our Members Who are you and what is your
complaint ? I have sent you emails to offer assistance, but you do not
respond. If you have a legitimate
Hi Andrei,
I have recently purchased intgold debit card and have used it a couple of
times .
I have read the Card announcement at INTGold site:
https://intgold.com/m/debit.cgi/1. Then I asked INTGold about the
terms and conditions and so on - NO RESPONSE.
I also had similar problems
Graham Kelly wrote:
This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold
when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded
him. He gave us $580 USD worth of e-gold, which was returned in *full*,
less the DMT transfer fees, plus an apology for the delay.
Graham Kelly wrote:
I wouldn't normally disagree. However, the GoldNow terms of trade
specifically advises that we default to the USD value.
Besides, that not an ethical error, just a trading reality.
No, you are incorrect, it is a matter of ethics. If someone gives you
something and you wish
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/12/1201_031201_republic.html
or http://makeashorterlink.com/?F278153B6
with $400,000 - oops, I mean $180 MILLION (now!) worth
of gold! And it's in INTERNATIONAL waters, so finders-keepers
is still possible! WooHoo! Hopefully good video soon of the
Viking,
Viking Coder wrote:
Why is that the case when the transaction was done in USD, and the
site/emails contain notices stating such an eventuality?
Please read my previous message explaining the situation.
If the reverse had happened, and the exact weight was returned, the client
would be
Please read my previous message explaining the situation.
That message was posted while I composing mine.
It would be easy to explain the logic of the refund if it was done
correctly as I explained.
Yes, but is it a matter of ethics, or of business practices/methods?
I'm not arguing
Viking Coder wrote:
Yes, but is it a matter of ethics, or of business practices/methods?
When a transaction is made across
non-equivalent currencies, is there an *ethical* means of determining what
amount should be refunded?
There was no transaction across non-equivalent currencies, gold was
From: Sidd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Graham Kelly wrote:
This person wants me to refund the difference in the cost of the e-gold
when he delivered it to us, after he cancelled his order, and we refunded
him. He gave us $580 USD worth of e-gold, which was returned in *full*,
less the DMT
It depends. If someone sells their gold for a certain amount of USD, say for
a wire or check, and he later wants a refund, I think it is proper to deal
in USD. The gold was sold at the time of the order and you are now dealing
with dollars.
Nuh. Note that you say John
The gold was sold at the
Dear JP,
(ONE) say the system is 1/3 each of egold, pecunix, and goldmoney.
Say pecunix totally evaporates. What would happen is that each user
loses one third of their conglomerated-gold. (Sucks, but better than
losing it all.)
Wouldn't it be clever to insure against such a disaster?
Then the
At 12:03 PM 11/28/2003, Michael Moore wrote:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34163.html
I don't believe either ICANN or the ITU should run the Internet. The
goal should be to make centralized management irrelevant. Although some
sort of centralized IP control is required, OR the
Perhaps some existing exchange providers will offer more and more
advanced
services for merchants and consumers, via accounts of their own for their
customers, from which they end up as the banks of the DGC world, offering
a
range of financial services, including own brand/related brand debit
James M. Ray wrote:
Today's my birthday, but I don't want anything for Jim Ray, except:
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please give e-metal to Mozilla if you like their browser, and if you
have not tried Mozilla, you're missing something very good. You
will thank me (just for
How do you make a link people can click to automatically take
you to e-gold's shopping cart for them to pay you a preset
amount?
http://698942-USD20.00-Gold.e-gold.com
just replace the account number and the price you need.
Gordon
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How do you make a link people can click to automatically take
you to e-gold's shopping cart for them to pay you a preset
amount?
http://698942-USD20.00-Gold.e-gold.com
just replace the account number and the price you need.
Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon.
It should always be
why use that #?
Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon.
It should always be 241164
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I was just kidding dude -- that is the first ever custom e-gold
number - MY number!
:)
why use that #?
Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon.
It should always be 241164
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I was thinking that at first then I started doubting myself. better to
check...
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Dear JP,
Often at 1mdc people say well, 1mdc is based on e-gold, but no fees
- could you also make one that is based on goldmoney, but no fees?
So that would be fair enough, you could have a 1mdc based on egold,
goldmoney, pecunix or whatever.
Goldmoney will not permit such a currency because
I remember me suggesting almost this same idea about a year and a half
ago...
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg09415.html
Check out the archives.. it might help the current discussion.
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Sidd,
Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix...
Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c
What about the transaction fees on the deposit at pecinux?
I think you have misunderstood Viking completely...
Hence there has to be actual proof of the gold
LOL... excellent idea! In fact, why not make it worth their while by
offering a generous 5% premium if they do it in batches of $1280? That
seems like a win-win situation :-)
Remco
At 06:00 29-11-2003, you wrote:
David,
Sounds like a good deal... make them pay you first! I'm sure you'll be
In fact, the mere existence of an independent reserve bank preempts the use
of fiat, if you want to insist on proper term usage.
So modify the term for proper current usage, which happens on a
regular/continual basis, by removing any mention of 'government'.
Fiat money = any
Robert B.Z. wrote:
Sidd,
Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix...
Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c
What about the transaction fees on the deposit at pecinux?
It's free... Pecunix has a policy of offering preferred transaction
rates to certain larger
Dear Viking Coder,
snip
Or... Is the following statement not true?
1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney
The gold price per gram is different for e-gold
and e-bullion while Pecunix and GoldMoney use the same price but
are different again.
Here is a snap shot of the current gold
How would such a conglomerated gold currency be a fiat currency?
Sorry about the term abuse. I often use fiat incorrectly because of the
insecurities it implies and because I want to differenciate from other
digital currencies.
While my idea of fiat is not necessarily correct I do assess it
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May you live long and prosper ;o)
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WB,
LOL, YOU of little faith!
I'm planning on YOU being my first passenger!
Seriously, I'm looking forward to flying from the top of NZ, to Norfolk
Island, then Lord Howe Island, then OZ. I'll be processing ecurrency
orders at 10,000 feet on my laptop (via GPRS, when in actual range),
flying
Our hearty congratulations Jim!
Regards,
Paul
www.spacegold.com
Today's my birthday, but I don't want anything for Jim Ray, except:
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Robert,
Robert B.Z. wrote:
1g e-gold = 1g pecunix = 1g e-bullion = 1g goldmoney
No it is untrue on two counts:
(1) 1g e-gold = (1g sth else - minus exchange fees)
Untrue... 1g e-gold has ALWAYS been = to 1g Pecunix...
Try it for yourself http://open2exchange.com/buy.sell...c2c
Likewise for
Graham,
All my NZ
customers will be invited for a flight (if they trust my flying!) Next
year, we plan to move to Europe with the machine.
Are you selling concessions for in-flight gold sales, yet? ;o)
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You exchange 100g of e-gold for 100g of comgold. Those 100g of comgold
aren't guaranteed to be redeemable for e-gold, but are guaranteed to be
redeemable for 100g total of any of the currently underlying GBCs (17g
pecunix, 13g goldmoney, 16g e-bullion, 14g 1mdc, 40g e-gold) due to the
flux of
Robert,
Mark my words, I'll get a pic of myself (or wife, or maybe even YOU)
flying the UFO gyro, somewhere over the Pacific or Med, processing
e-gold/ecurrency orders on a GPRS enabled laptop. (Maybe in Malta, GPRS
is free there!) We are researching light-weight mobile cell
repeaters/boosters,
Hi Robert,
And I believe that most 'consumers' have similar
views. e-gold ruley supreme - other currencies are great because one can
exchange them into e-gold, but e-gold is what people buy and spend the
most.
Yes, e-gold is great! Because I can instantly change it into Pecunix at
You are essentially talking about an electronic reserve bank that issues
fiat currency, based on supply and demand, yes?
How would such a conglomerated gold currency be a fiat currency?
Individual currencies (e-gold, pecunix, etc...) aren't considered fiat.
1mdc isn't considered fiat. Why then
Sidd, there is no need to increase the length of the passwords. I understand
that passwords are good for those people who print their PIKs and may loose
them; it's a simple security backup system. For such a case, passwords need
to be short to be easily remembered. Also, people who log-in from a
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