[ECOLOG-L] Oxygen and pH loggers
Hi, we are looking for some relatively small, robust loggers to record pH, oxygen and temperature. They would need to be suitable for marine deployments and waterproof to 10 m (30 ft) depth. Does anyone have (positive) experience with this type of instrumentation or know of a good manufacturer that I could contact? I have heard that there are some Japanese firms that have developed small loggers, but have not been able to find them online. Thank you!Regards, Ylva Olsen, Research Associate UWA, Australia
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Jobs and Living Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
Malcolm and Ecolog: Malcolm, I think you may have mis-read or misunderstood me or perhaps I misspoke. I did not intend for [students] to disregard the expectations of others, I intended to suggest that we [students] should have expectations of ourselves but not have expectations OF others. I agree that GIS is important now, and a very useful tool indeed! But a little knowledge of map-and-compass work along with traverses, while perhaps quaint, might yet be useful skills rather than total dependence upon electronics. While I don't doubt the pragmatic utility of relying upon hard (fun?) courses and certifications in getting a job, I value them more, much, much more for the exercise for the brain and mind they provide. I'm not suggesting that others follow my course, but frankly, m'dears, I don't really give a rat's ass what effect bragging rights have on prospective employers. My theory is that one should find a round hole if I am round; a square hole if I am square--a best-fit. No one does one's self a favor, nor does an employer do anyone a favor if the fit isn't closer to a best-fit than a bad fit. Similarly, when one gets fired, it may be a favor in disguise and couched that way to the recipient (arrogance is unnecessary in the firing process, and it has caused people to go postal. Not good. When I was hiring people, I never even looked at their track record; I listened to them, hoping to hear honest dedication to the work rather than a line of bs, and gave an honest assessment about their chances of blossoming during their six-month probationary period. Most such decisions are best when they are mutual (respectful), and applicants tend to weed themselves out. Hard? Hardly. Fun! WT Good book: Faster by James Gleick - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Ecology Jobs and Living Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Although I agree with you philosophicly, its the expectations of others that lead to employment. GIS has not always been important, it is now. The goal in my list is not to be prepared to do all this work, its to create a portfolio of evidence that suggests you have the tools to do the work. For example, pub admin is not going to magically make you an adminstrator. It will, however, demonstrate you know some of the foundation principles needed to do administrative duties. It also demonstrates you have the interest and dedication to do this kind of work. Much of the education we tackle is not to learn stuff we will use, but to demonstrate we have the capacity to learn new things so that when we are hired, they know we can be trained to do what they want. The harder the stuff you take, the more evidence that you can learn difficult tasks. Malcolm On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ecolog: It's just interesting that the number-one skill required for ecology is GIS. Now I know why I was such a failure! Well, on second thought, I guess I shouldn't place all the blame on the absence of GIS skills (and the absence of GIS at the time). I sucked at statistics too--but what the hell, statisticians need jobs too, no? So after I got out of the military, I took Business Administration and a few courses of Public Administration, but the latter I had to learn mostly on-the-job--no college can prepare one for the absurdities of administration and management in bureaucracies, government and private. I took business law. 'Nuff said. I was no chemist, molecular biologist, or microbiologist either, so I hired them when I needed them. The smidgen of those subjects I knew about was often enough to get by without them, but I sure do wish that I had had more of them, and WAY more geology. Margaret Mead once said that the most important thing to know is what you don't know. That concept took off any pressure to be an APC (all-purpose capsule), to know EVERYTHING, and worse, to BELIEVE it. Ever notice how many people DO know everything? But SHOULD your objective be focused entirely upon getting a job and fighting your way up the pyramid? Well, you'll need a job, of course, but if that's all you're focused on, that's all you'll ever have. Academic training can be a valuable thing, but it's only a START--even at the Ph.D. level. (Howls and screams.) You have to get to the point where everything seems to fall into place, and you come to UNDERSTAND how things work. (See Breaking Through, The Ed Ricketts biography by Katherine A. Rodger, and The Pleasure of Finding Things Out by Richard Feynman. The Log From the Sea of Cortez by John Steinbeck (and Ricketts) is also a great read, as is the entire book, The Sea of Cortez by the same author(s).) Read widely. Experience widely. Don't waste your life; do what you're
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Jobs and Living Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
Although I agree with you philosophicly, its the expectations of others that lead to employment. GIS has not always been important, it is now. The goal in my list is not to be prepared to do all this work, its to create a portfolio of evidence that suggests you have the tools to do the work. For example, pub admin is not going to magically make you an adminstrator. It will, however, demonstrate you know some of the foundation principles needed to do administrative duties. It also demonstrates you have the interest and dedication to do this kind of work. Much of the education we tackle is not to learn stuff we will use, but to demonstrate we have the capacity to learn new things so that when we are hired, they know we can be trained to do what they want. The harder the stuff you take, the more evidence that you can learn difficult tasks. Malcolm On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ecolog: It's just interesting that the number-one skill required for ecology is GIS. Now I know why I was such a failure! Well, on second thought, I guess I shouldn't place all the blame on the absence of GIS skills (and the absence of GIS at the time). I sucked at statistics too--but what the hell, statisticians need jobs too, no? So after I got out of the military, I took Business Administration and a few courses of Public Administration, but the latter I had to learn mostly on-the-job--no college can prepare one for the absurdities of administration and management in bureaucracies, government and private. I took business law. 'Nuff said. I was no chemist, molecular biologist, or microbiologist either, so I hired them when I needed them. The smidgen of those subjects I knew about was often enough to get by without them, but I sure do wish that I had had more of them, and WAY more geology. Margaret Mead once said that the most important thing to know is what you don't know. That concept took off any pressure to be an APC (all-purpose capsule), to know EVERYTHING, and worse, to BELIEVE it. Ever notice how many people DO know everything? But SHOULD your objective be focused entirely upon getting a job and fighting your way up the pyramid? Well, you'll need a job, of course, but if that's all you're focused on, that's all you'll ever have. Academic training can be a valuable thing, but it's only a START--even at the Ph.D. level. (Howls and screams.) You have to get to the point where everything seems to fall into place, and you come to UNDERSTAND how things work. (See Breaking Through, The Ed Ricketts biography by Katherine A. Rodger, and The Pleasure of Finding Things Out by Richard Feynman. The Log From the Sea of Cortez by John Steinbeck (and Ricketts) is also a great read, as is the entire book, The Sea of Cortez by the same author(s).) Read widely. Experience widely. Don't waste your life; do what you're passionate about. Have expectations of yourself if you want, but don't waste your life having expectations of others. If you're not passionate, get an MBA and get rich. WT The worst kinda ignerance ain't so much not knowin', a 'tis knowin' so much that ain't so? --Josh Billings They tell us we are wasting time--but we are wasting our LIVES! --Eric Hoffer - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Clara, I agree. To be marketable in the workplace you must have skills that are in demand in the workplace. Its that simple. Too many students graduate without marketable skills. Marketability for grad school does not equal marketability for a job out of the BS. You want to get a job in ecological field? Here are the skills I recommend: 1. GIS 2. statistics 3. public administration 4. env/wildlife/fisheries policy law 5. Any and all instrumentation involving chemistry, molecular biology and micro. Why? Everything uses GIS today. Statistics are just plain required. If you are working in the public sector, PA will prepare you for what you actually do most of the time...paperwork. policy and law is mostly what you will be doing paperwork on (permits and permitting issues!) instrumentation may pick you up a research tech post. Also, if you go into the private sector, every one of those areas is highly marketable. If you have none of them, you are going to have a rougher time. Again, this is coming out of a BS. Ideally, you better have Wildlife + Wildlife Techniques if going into a wildlife field or Fisheries + fisheries techniques if going into a fish field. You might check the respective certification programs. Anything ecotox will help too. Malcolm On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Clara B. Jones foucaul...@gmail.com wrote: 1. ...assuming that your summary is an accurate reflection of the
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Jobs and Living Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate S tudent's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
Hi, Thanks for this message and all the previous ones (I just joined some days ago). I finished my PhD in Plant Ecology almost one year and a half ago. I had two published papers, lots of contacts, lots of conferences, quite a lot of experience, have worked hard during the last years... and needed a break cause I was not sure whether I wanted to do science, even though I was 31. Months before defending my thesis my boyfriend and me planned to go to New Zealand for a gap year, from where I came back to Europe just three weeks ago - because I realised I want to work in Science. Now I am looking for a job in Czech Republic and even before reading this emails I realised two skills are missing in my CV: GIS and molecular biology. I worked with statistics for many years, worked in the field, did herbivory experiments, gained experience also from outside academia,... but now I see that even though I have a PhD it will be difficult to find a job... or at least funding. Because even though they are interested in me in a University, I need to have my funding to get there. So if you do not think on that before finishing the PhD you will see yourself in the next year writting proposals and trying to get funding (which is also a good experience). But now, where do we study GIS and molecular biology when we are not in University anymore? do we put all our energy in looking for a job and finishing papers or do we invest our time and money in learning GIS? Have a really nice day, Inés On 17 February 2013 23:13, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ecolog: It's just interesting that the number-one skill required for ecology is GIS. Now I know why I was such a failure! Well, on second thought, I guess I shouldn't place all the blame on the absence of GIS skills (and the absence of GIS at the time). I sucked at statistics too--but what the hell, statisticians need jobs too, no? So after I got out of the military, I took Business Administration and a few courses of Public Administration, but the latter I had to learn mostly on-the-job--no college can prepare one for the absurdities of administration and management in bureaucracies, government and private. I took business law. 'Nuff said. I was no chemist, molecular biologist, or microbiologist either, so I hired them when I needed them. The smidgen of those subjects I knew about was often enough to get by without them, but I sure do wish that I had had more of them, and WAY more geology. Margaret Mead once said that the most important thing to know is what you don't know. That concept took off any pressure to be an APC (all-purpose capsule), to know EVERYTHING, and worse, to BELIEVE it. Ever notice how many people DO know everything? But SHOULD your objective be focused entirely upon getting a job and fighting your way up the pyramid? Well, you'll need a job, of course, but if that's all you're focused on, that's all you'll ever have. Academic training can be a valuable thing, but it's only a START--even at the Ph.D. level. (Howls and screams.) You have to get to the point where everything seems to fall into place, and you come to UNDERSTAND how things work. (See Breaking Through, The Ed Ricketts biography by Katherine A. Rodger, and The Pleasure of Finding Things Out by Richard Feynman. The Log From the Sea of Cortez by John Steinbeck (and Ricketts) is also a great read, as is the entire book, The Sea of Cortez by the same author(s).) Read widely. Experience widely. Don't waste your life; do what you're passionate about. Have expectations of yourself if you want, but don't waste your life having expectations of others. If you're not passionate, get an MBA and get rich. WT The worst kinda ignerance ain't so much not knowin', a 'tis knowin' so much that ain't so? --Josh Billings They tell us we are wasting time--but we are wasting our LIVES! --Eric Hoffer - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccallum@HERPCONBIO.**ORG malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Clara, I agree. To be marketable in the workplace you must have skills that are in demand in the workplace. Its that simple. Too many students graduate without marketable skills. Marketability for grad school does not equal marketability for a job out of the BS. You want to get a job in ecological field? Here are the skills I recommend: 1. GIS 2. statistics 3. public administration 4. env/wildlife/fisheries policy law 5. Any and all instrumentation involving chemistry, molecular biology and micro. Why? Everything uses GIS today. Statistics are just plain required. If you are working in the public sector, PA will prepare you for what you actually do most of the time...paperwork. policy and law is mostly what you will be doing paperwork on (permits
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Ecology Jobs and Living Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate S tudent's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
My read of the original paper by Brickney is that technical/analytical skills are very important. Looking at their PCA, most of the variation lies on a spectrum of technical/analytical/field experience to project management/interpersonal. Despite comments on this listserv, both hard and soft skills seem to be important. Also, the analysis only explains 60% of the variation, which is a vast amount in a job-market that has a lot of highly specialized duties and highly diverse workplaces. Ecology-related job places are astounding in how different they are. Lots of banter about GIS. I'd like to throw in my two-cents: everything in ecology has a space-time context, and colleagues without basic GIS facilities are frustratingly difficult to work or communicate with. Second, if you are serious about working with large ecological data or serious about taking up GIS, beware of courses that amount to little more than ESRI tutorials and set you up with a platform of limitation and disappointment. Even at the highest echelons of ArcMastery (and expensive licenses), you'll inevitably end up having to tell your superiors that you couldn't complete such-and-such a task because 'ArcGIS doesn't do that.' (But hey, that's a good looking map!) Getting really good at ArcGIS is like becoming a master of Macromedia right before Flash came out: they jump from Avenue, to VB, to Python, to ? Instead, if you use R for GIS, there is always a way to do what you want. It may be difficult, but mastering R for a difficult GIS task yields transferable skills in a host of disciplines. It used to be a huge pain, but recent libraries like 'rgeos' (mixed with 'rgdal' and 'raster') give users most of the cookie-cutter facilities familiar to ESRI users. And its free. Rob On Feb 17, 2013 6:04 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ecolog: It's just interesting that the number-one skill required for ecology is GIS. Now I know why I was such a failure! Well, on second thought, I guess I shouldn't place all the blame on the absence of GIS skills (and the absence of GIS at the time). I sucked at statistics too--but what the hell, statisticians need jobs too, no? So after I got out of the military, I took Business Administration and a few courses of Public Administration, but the latter I had to learn mostly on-the-job--no college can prepare one for the absurdities of administration and management in bureaucracies, government and private. I took business law. 'Nuff said. I was no chemist, molecular biologist, or microbiologist either, so I hired them when I needed them. The smidgen of those subjects I knew about was often enough to get by without them, but I sure do wish that I had had more of them, and WAY more geology. Margaret Mead once said that the most important thing to know is what you don't know. That concept took off any pressure to be an APC (all-purpose capsule), to know EVERYTHING, and worse, to BELIEVE it. Ever notice how many people DO know everything? But SHOULD your objective be focused entirely upon getting a job and fighting your way up the pyramid? Well, you'll need a job, of course, but if that's all you're focused on, that's all you'll ever have. Academic training can be a valuable thing, but it's only a START--even at the Ph.D. level. (Howls and screams.) You have to get to the point where everything seems to fall into place, and you come to UNDERSTAND how things work. (See Breaking Through, The Ed Ricketts biography by Katherine A. Rodger, and The Pleasure of Finding Things Out by Richard Feynman. The Log From the Sea of Cortez by John Steinbeck (and Ricketts) is also a great read, as is the entire book, The Sea of Cortez by the same author(s).) Read widely. Experience widely. Don't waste your life; do what you're passionate about. Have expectations of yourself if you want, but don't waste your life having expectations of others. If you're not passionate, get an MBA and get rich. WT The worst kinda ignerance ain't so much not knowin', a 'tis knowin' so much that ain't so? --Josh Billings They tell us we are wasting time--but we are wasting our LIVES! --Eric Hoffer - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccallum@HERPCONBIO.**ORG malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student's Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Clara, I agree. To be marketable in the workplace you must have skills that are in demand in the workplace. Its that simple. Too many students graduate without marketable skills. Marketability for grad school does not equal marketability for a job out of the BS. You want to get a job in ecological field? Here are the skills I recommend: 1. GIS 2. statistics 3. public administration 4. env/wildlife/fisheries policy law 5. Any and all instrumentation involving chemistry, molecular biology and micro.
[ECOLOG-L] NAFEW registration open!
Colleagues: Registration is now open for the 9th biennial North American Forest Ecology Workshop to be held June 16-20, 2013 in Bloomington, Indiana. The workshop will focus on forest fragmentation but will include concurrent sessions on several ecological themes; some are listed in the announcement. Plenary speakers include Drs. Eric Gustafson (USFS), Daniel Dey (USFS) and Robert Swihart (Purdue FNR), and Allen Pursell (TNC). Updated conference information can be found at nafew.orghttp://www.nafew.org/. The conference will include a Sunday evening icebreaker, a Tuesday evening banquet, and Wednesday day-long field trips. Field trips will include tours of the Hardwood Ecosystem Experiment - a long-term forest and wildlife management study, Donaldson's Woods and Pioneer Mothers-old-growth forest remnants, the Hoosier National Forest - oak ecology and silviculture, Crane Naval Weapons Support Center - forest management on military bases, Marengo Cave - karst geology and ecology, and Indiana University Ecological Research - carbon flux tower and invasive species. Registration (nafew.org/2013-registrationhttp://www.nafew.org/2013-registration) will cost $340 for the conference plus $40 for the Wednesday field trip. We have separated the field trip cost for several of our local attendees who may have already seen the sites, and for those who want to explore Bloomington and southern Indiana on their own on Wednesday. Early registration discounts end May 20. This program is not yet approved for CFE credit. After the program is finalized, we will be requesting CFE credit from the Society of American Foresters. We expect 11 - 16 hours of Category 1-CF credits to be approved, depending on which field trip is taken. Lastly, we are actively seeking posters for the conference. Guidelines for abstract submission are posted at nafew.org/abstractshttp://www.nafew.org/abstracts. Deadline for poster submission has been extended to March 15. I hope to see many of you in Bloomington in June 2013! Mike R. Saunders Chair, NAFEW9 Planning Committee Assistant Professor of Hardwood Silviculture Department of Forestry and Natural Resources Purdue University 715 State Street West Lafayette, IN 47907
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me).
Hello All I agree completely with Wayne PS...that is why is time for researchers to invest in science communication and have their own production :) There are more and more researchers investing in learning video skills and use them to spread their work. Regards Nuno On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Ok, what's your plan? WT PS: My wife got conned by a production company doing work for the Discovery Channel several years ago, thinking they were doing legitimate scientific journalism, and I got conned into shooting some video for them (for which I never got a cent). Never since and never again. That's our contribution--saying no to the production companies' requests for interviews and footage. Y'all may have noticed how they (used to) start off with some legitimate scientists sincerely believing that they were serving legitimate science education, but ended up being cut into a pseudoscience film. Some have repeated the error and some have refused to touch any kind of educational filmmaking, as the scientist has no control over the final outcome. How many people on this list have gotten taken by these smooth-talking production companies and have consented to be interviewed for what turned out to be something that they would never have consented to be a part of, had they known what the outcome would be in advance? - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccallum@HERPCONBIO.**ORG malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). Look, these folks are posing as researchers, sucking up soft money (yes, they are) to do this stuff, getting publicity on such channels as Discovery. Now, when a bunch of yahoo charlatans start doing this sort of thing it degrades science by confusing the public about what is and is not science, who is and is not doing science, and what is and is not credible evidence. When you degrade science in this manner it also interferes with all aspects of society because now logic is overcome with nonsense and the more nonsense is promoted as logic, the more people who ultimately start to think in illogical ways leading to poor decisions in all aspects of life, including politics and cast votes. When illogical paths are taken in choosing candidates and casting votes, we end up with poor candidates who approve non-science and anti-science bills. THese little things do matter. They are a virus, a plague on society that is every bit as damaging to its inner workings as political corruption. They must be stomped out and scientists should come out in force and do so by very clearly, adamantly, directly and bluntly discounting their claims as junk (not junk science) and charlatanism. Malcolm On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Wayne Tyson landr...@cox.net wrote: Malcolm and Ecolog, Ignore them? (They want publicity.) When I was in the Forest Service in Northern California in the late fifties and early sixties (I've forgotten just when all the bigfoot hoopla at the Hoopa Reservation took place), my boss said the knew the guy who discovered the prints, and he said he was just the kind of nutcase that would come up with that kind of thing. Maybe the Texans are frustrated snipe-hunters? WT - Original Message - From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccallum@HERPCONBIO.**ORG malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Bigfoot footage in TX (gag me). I am very familiar with the Texas Bigfoot society folks having got in a tuff with them back in the early part of the decade. They are total charlatans, see this video of a bigfoot from the twitter of Melba Ketchum. Is there anything we can do to discredit these folks with the public? We really need to address this and make it obvious they are literally making stuff up http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=khHSX3ZYaKIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khHSX3ZYaKI -- Malcolm L. McCallum Department of Molecular Biology and Biochemistry School of Biological Sciences University of Missouri at Kansas City Managing Editor, Herpetological Conservation and Biology Peer pressure is designed to contain anyone with a sense of drive - Allan Nation 1880's: There's lots of good fish in the sea W.S. Gilbert 1990's: Many fish stocks depleted due to overfishing, habitat loss, and pollution. 2000: Marine reserves, ecosystem restoration, and pollution reduction MAY help restore populations. 2022: Soylent Green is People! The Seven Blunders of the World (Mohandas Gandhi) Wealth w/o work Pleasure w/o conscience Knowledge w/o character Commerce w/o morality Science w/o humanity Worship w/o sacrifice Politics w/o principle Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for
Re: [ECOLOG-L] summer courses at the SWRS
The Southwestern Research Station in Portal, Arizona is pleased to announce the following 2013 summer workshops: NEW!! CONSERVATION MEDICINE AND DISEASES OF AMPHIBIANS AND REPTILES: 23 - 28 June 2013. The workshop is designed for undergraduates and graduate students in Conservation Ecology, Wildlife, Biological Sciences, and Veterinary Medicine who expect to study, breed, and manage populations of amphibians and/or reptiles in the field and in captivity. What does Conservation Medicine Mean and How can it be Functionally Used to Manage Populations of Amphibians and Reptiles will be explored. Concepts of infectious diseases, anesthesia, use of pain medications, sampling techniques, surgical techniques, and handling of venomous species will be covered. http://research.amnh.org/swrs/conservation-medicine-and-diseases-amphibians-and-reptiles ANTS OF THE SOUTHWEST: 17 - 26 July 2013. This workshop is designed for students, biologists, and other individuals who have some background in biology at the college level. This course is designed with curriculum that complements rather than competes with the California Academy of Sciences Ant Course. Although we will cover basic taxonomy and systematics, the major focus of this course will be on the ecology and behavior of ants. For the full announcement click here http://research.amnh.org/swrs/ants-southwest HERPETOLOGY FIELD COURSE: 28 July - 6 August 2013. Participants will gain knowledge on the outstanding biodiversity of amphibians and reptiles found in a wide diversity of habitats throughout southeastern Arizona and parts of southwestern New Mexico. Participants will obtain hands-on experience in amphibian and reptile identification, collecting and marking techniques, and data documentation. The course also will cover specimen preparation of a full museum voucher specimen, including tissue vouchers. For the full announcement click here http://research.amnh.org/swrs/herpetology-field-course LEPIDOPTERA COURSE: 8 - 17 August 2013. Designed for students, amateur naturalists, conservation biologists, and other biologists who have an interest in learning more about butterflies and moths, the course will emphasize taxonomy, ecology, and field identification of lepidopterans in southeastern Arizona. Lectures will include background information on the biology of animals and their importance in pollination biology. Field trips will provide participants with collecting, sampling, and observation techniques and lab work will provide instruction on specimen identification, preparation, and labeling. http://research.amnh.org/swrs/education/lepidoptera-course For other courses offered at the SWRS please visit our website http://research.amnh.org/swrs/education Dawn S. Wilson Director, Southwestern Research Station P.O. Box 16553 (shipping - 2003 W. Cave Creek Rd) Portal, Arizona 85632 Ph: 520-558-2396 email: dwil...@amnh.org web: http://research.amnh.org/swrs/
[ECOLOG-L] Job: Professor, Geoecology, University of Vienna
Dear colleagues, I am pleased to draw your attention to the following job announcement of a Full-Professor position in Geoecology. For details, please refer to: http://personalwesen.univie.ac.at/fuer-mitarbeiterinnen/professorinnen/job/english/http://personalwesen.univie.ac.at/fuer-mitarbeiterinnen/professorinnen/job/english/ Please select the Faculty of Earth Sciences, Geography and Astronomy and follow the announcement. If you need further details, please do not hesitate to contact either the Dean of the Faculty Prof. Dr. Thilo Hofmann (mailto:dekan.f...@univie.ac.atdekan.f...@univie.ac.at) or myself. Best regards Thomas Glade Head of Department Editor-In-Chief Natural Hazards *** Prof. Dr. Thomas Glade Department of Geography and Regional Research Geomorphic Systems and Risk Research Unit University of Vienna Universitaetsstr. 7 1010 Vienna AUSTRIA Tel.: 0043 (+1) 4277 48650 Fax.: 0043 (+1) 4277 9486 mailto:thomas.gl...@univie.ac.atthomas.gl...@univie.ac.at SKYPE: thomas.glade http://homepage.univie.ac.at/thomas.glade http://geomorph.univie.ac.at/
Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student#x2019;s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's list: 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented... This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find abhorrent. I initially chose not to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told to simply use your email filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is offensive. The concerns Chandreyee raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and respect they deserve. I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly principle g. Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their work on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, national origin, age, economic status, disability, or organizational affiliation. Yvette Dickinson
[ECOLOG-L] Midwest Ecology and Evolution Conference (MEEC) 2013 - FINAL call for abstracts!!
Midwest Ecology and Evolution Conference 2013 - ***FINAL call for abstracts!*** March 23rd-24th Oral and Poster abstract and registration deadline is February 22nd! The Midwest Ecology and Evolution Conference (MEEC) is coming to the University of Notre Dame March 23rd-24th! MEEC is a travelling conference hosted by a different university each year. The conference is entirely planned and comprised of undergraduate and graduate students, as well as post-docs. Although professional scientists are permitted to attend, they are not allowed to present. This gives an excellent opportunity to present research in a more relaxed atmosphere, collecting feedback or preparing for a larger national conference. MEEC also provides an excellent opportunity for smaller institutions with smaller research budgets to present without having to travel long distances for a national conference. We hope this will be a great opportunity for students located in the Midwest to closely interact and communicate their science, as well as serve as a springboard for potential future collaborations. This year MEEC has the honor of hosting two plenary speakers. Dr. Michael Vanni from Miami University (OH) and Dr. Rowan Barrett from Harvard University will be speaking during the weekend. Both presentations will no doubt be interesting, and the more intimate setting of MEEC will allow for closer interaction with these great scientists. Registration for the conference is $35, with an optional $18 banquet dinner to be held Saturday evening. Guidelines for posters and oral presentations, as well as directions for registration can be found at meec2013.wordpress.com. You can also find us on facebook. For more information contact meec2...@gmail.com
Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student#x2019;s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job
Hi Yvette, Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). Let's all move on now. Cheers, Julian --- Julian D. Olden Freshwater Ecology Conservation Lab School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 e: ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 w: http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ skype: goldenolden The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day. Mark Twain On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, Yvette Dickinson yvette.dickin...@gmail.com wrote: Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's list: 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented... This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find abhorrent. I initially chose not to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told to simply use your email filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is offensive. The concerns Chandreyee raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and respect they deserve. I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly principle g. Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their work on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, national origin, age, economic status, disability, or organizational affiliation. Yvette Dickinson
[ECOLOG-L] Oregon State tropical landscape genomics postdoc
Postdoctoral Position in Tropical Forest Landscape Genomics, Department of Botany and Plant Pathology, Oregon State University. A postdoctoral position to apply genomic approaches to understanding the ecology and evolution of tropical plants is open in the laboratory of Dr. Andy Jones at Oregon State University. Research will involve field collection and lab work including genotyping and sequencing using Sanger and Illumina techniques, data assembly and annotation, and population genomic and landscape analyses. The applicant will work with the PI and collaborators, graduate and undergraduate students, and technicians and will be responsible for aspects of project coordination in the lab and field, analyzing results and writing manuscripts, and contributing to the development of research approaches and directions. The applicant is required to have a Ph.D. in biological sciences with expertise in plant identification in the field, plant ecology and/or, and population and landscape genetics. Experience with R, python, or other programing environments are highly desirable. Salary will be commensurate with experience and the position will be renewed annually, dependent upon funding. The position is based at Oregon State University, willingness and ability to travel and work independently in tropical environments for extended periods of time is required. Knowledge of Spanish is desirable, but not required. The successful candidate will have to opportunity to work in collaborative field and lab environments at Oregon State University, the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institute (Panama), and at the Organization for Tropical Studies (Costa Rica). To be considered for this position, send as a single pdf a CV, copies of up to three relevant publications, a cover letter that includes future professional interests, and the names and contact information for three references to jone...@science.oregonstate.edu. Please include “Landscape Genomics Postdoc” in the subject header. Informal inquiries are welcome at the same address. Review of applications will begin March 15 and will continue until the position is filled.
[ECOLOG-L] Greater Sage-Grouse Technicians (2)
Two greater sage-grouse research technician positions are available to assist on a University of Wyoming study evaluating the response of sage- grouse to bentonite mining in the eastern Bighorn Basin, Wyoming (Big Horn County). One position will last for 1 month from Mar 16th to April 15th and responsibilities will include capturing sage-grouse at night via spotlighting. The second position will last for 5 months from Mar 16th to Aug 15th and responsibilities will include capturing grouse; locating radio- marked grouse with radio telemetry and GPS; monitoring nests; nighttime brood counts; evaluating microhabitat plots at nest, brood, and random locations; data entry and proofing; and operating 4x4 trucks and ATVs. Work will require sharing apartments with other technicians, extensive hiking, long hours (40/wk), and a willingness to endure potentially adverse environmental conditions. It is essential that applicants are able to work well with others and also work independently. Technicians will gain valuable wildlife and vegetation monitoring experience. Those who have earned degrees or are juniors and seniors in wildlife ecology/science, rangeland ecology/science, botany, zoology, biology, ecology or related fields are encouraged to apply. Applicants should have the desire and ability to: -Legibly record field data and enter it into Excel spreadsheets -Navigate using maps and GPS equipment -Capture and handle wildlife -Monitor wildlife using radio telemetry -Work and live side-by-side with co-workers -Work under harsh weather conditions -Assist with vegetation sampling and identification -Safely operate 4WD pickups and ATVs -Work long days with variable work schedules (long day and/or nighttime hours) Please apply by sending a 1 page letter of interest and your resume (with 3 references) as a single attached file (with just your name as the filename) via email to Aaron Pratt. Applicants are encouraged to apply ASAP because first suitable candidates will be hired. Salary = $2,000/mo. + housing Contact: Aaron Pratt aaroncpr...@yahoo.com 361-960-0946
[ECOLOG-L] Definition of green
Hello Ecologgers – Hopefully this isn't too tangential… On behalf of a colleague, I am looking for articles that investigate what the public perceives to be the meaning of green. Despite the fact that many of us subscribe to the concept of green or sustainable it can mean many different things. (Though perhaps sustainable is easier to define). And a related issue: are there other examples of movements that have grown around relatively poorly-defined concepts? Biodiversity could be one…No nukes another? I realize that this is more of a question for political scientists, but I thought some here might have some suggestions too. Thanks in advance! -Jeff Jeffrey D. Corbin Associate Professor Department of Biological Sciences Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 (518) 388-6097 http://jeffcorbin.org
[ECOLOG-L] 7th Annual Arthropod Genomics Symposium
7th Annual Arthropod Genomics Symposium ARTHROPOD GENOMICS 2013 ONWARD Friday, March 1, 2013: Poster Abstracts due if you DO wish to be considered for a General Session Platform presentation. The 7th Annual Arthropod Genomics Symposium and VectorBase Workshop will be held from June 12 - June 15, 2013, and is hosted by the Eck Institute for Global Health at the University of Notre Dame. The VectorBase Workshop will begin early afternoon on Wednesday, June 12, 2013, and conclude late afternoon on Thursday, June 13, 2013. The Arthropod Genomics Symposium will begin Thursday evening, June 13, 2013, and conclude late afternoon on Saturday, June 15, 2013 (an optional dinner is scheduled for Saturday night). To register for the Arthropod Genomics Symposium or view more information visit: http://globalhealth.nd.edu/7th-annual-arthropod-genomics-symposium/
[ECOLOG-L] Avian Field Technician Positions: Michigan
FIELD ASSISTANT POSITIONS AVAILABLE to assist with research examining spring landbird migration through Lake Michigan coastal habitats in western Michigan. BANDERS (2) will manage mist-netting effort, including species identification and aging, bird handling/banding, data entry and will help coordinate other activities. Banding experience with and knowledge of Nearctic-Neotropical landbird migrants necessary. SURVEY TECHNICIANS (4) duties will include visual and aural bird survey, vegetation sampling and assisting with arthropod sampling. The field season is scheduled to run from April 29 - June 9th, although we are flexible with respect to arrival and length of stay. Lodging will be provided. We are looking for enthusiastic individuals willing to work long hours, maintain a sense of humor and have fun collecting data on birds and bugs. We welcome any collaborative efforts that may arise. To apply, send a cover letter, resume and names, e-mail addresses and phone numbers, of at least three references to Jaclyn Smolinsky (j...@udel.edu). Please put Job Application in the subject of the email and indicate the position you seek and your dates of availability within the email itself. BIRD BANDERS: Banding experience and knowledge of Nearctic-neotropical landbird migrants is necessary. Experience aging and sexing birds using Pyle a plus. SURVEY TECHNICIAN: Preferred applicants will have experience identifying eastern birds by sight and sound.
[ECOLOG-L] MS Assistantship - PNW Forest Crown Dynamics
Department of Forestry, Mississippi State University MS Graduate Assistantship - Stem Growth and Crown Dynamics in Pacific Northwest Forests The Department of Forestry at Mississippi State University is seeking a graduate research assistant at the Master of Science to examine stem growth and crown dynamics in Pacific Northwest forests. The research project will be in collaboration with the USDA Forest Service, PNW Research Station in Olympia, Washington. The objectives of the study will be to develop a better understanding of how individual trees respond to silvicultural treatments through adjustments in crown morphology. Responsibilities: The student will be responsible for analyzing data from one or more studies located in western Washington. Opportunities will exist for the student to travel to Washington for collection of additional data. The student will also be responsible for preparing technical reports, presenting results at national conferences, preparing and presenting a thesis, and preparing and submitting manuscripts for publication. Opportunities will also exist to become involved in other projects within the Forest Ecology Lab thereby providing a broader range of experiences. MSU, located in Starkville in the northeastern part of Mississippi, has many intellectual, cultural, and recreational opportunities. The temperate climate of Starkville allows residents to enjoy many year-round outdoor recreation options including mountain biking, road cycling, hiking, canoeing, golfing, hunting, fishing, and bird watching. Opportunities to experience the outdoors include the John W. Starr Memorial Forest, Noxubee Wildlife Refuge, and the Tombigbee National Forest, which are all within a 20 minute drive of downtown. Starkville and MSU also have a strong devotion to the arts with the MSU Lyceum Series that brings all the fine arts together throughout the school year, and the Starkville Community Theater Company which holds performances year-round. More information on MSU and Starkville can be found at: http://www.msstate.edu/web/about. Starting Date: August 2013 with potential to start earlier. Students with a Bachelor's degree in forestry, natural resources, environmental science, or related fields are encouraged to apply. Research assistantships include a full tuition waiver, a competitive annual stipend including summer support, health insurance, and thesis research funding for two years. Project-related travel expenses will be covered including making at least one presentation at a national conference. Application: Please send 1) transcripts and/or GRE scores (unofficial copies are OK initially), 2) resume, 3) contact information for 3 references, and 4) a letter of application which (i) describes your interest in the position, (ii) describes your career goals, and (iii) details your work or educational experience that is most relevant to this position. For more information please contact: Dr. Scott Roberts Professor of Forestry Department of Forestry Mississippi State University MS State, MS 39762-9681 Phone: 662-325-3044 Email: srobe...@cfr.msstate.edumailto:srobe...@cfr.msstate.edu
[ECOLOG-L] Summer Amphibian Field Assistant Position in Panama
Job Description: Volunteer field research assistant needed for summer research project in Bocas del Toro, Panama. The project is for a Masters thesis looking at the role of local and novel coloration in deterring predation of the poison frog Oophaga pumilio. Clay model frogs will be used to estimate predation on two islands in the Bocas del Toro archipelago. Models will be placed on transects across the islands, left for 2 days, recovered and then scored for bite markings. The applicant will help with making the model frogs, setting out and picking up the models in the forest as well as entering data. Study sites will be reached by boat and hiking through forest and the applicant should be prepared for long days in the field. The project will run from mid-June until the end of August at the Smithsonian Tropical Research Institutes (STRI) Bocas del Toro Research Station, however, start and end dates for applicants are flexible. To apply: please email a single document with cover letter, your resume/CV, dates you are available to work and names, phone numbers and email addresses for 2 references to Josh Traub at jtrau...@jcu.edu Qualifications: Applicants must be self-motivated with a strong work ethic and in good physical condition as work will be in humid forest locations which will be reached by boat. Preference will be given to applicants interested in herpetology. Knowledge of Spanish is encouraged, but not necessary. Preference will be given to those willing to stay for duration of project.
[ECOLOG-L] Graduate assistantships in forest ecosystem ecology and global change
Graduate assistantships in forest ecosystem ecology and global change at Virginia Tech The Department of Forest Resources and Environmental Conservation at Virginia Tech seeks applicants for graduate research assistantships at the Masters or Ph.D. level, starting August 2013 or January 2014. Research will focus on how Southeastern U.S. forests can be managed to mitigate climate change and will broadly link the efforts of the Pine Integrated Network: Education, Mitigation, and Adaptation Project (PINEMAP; pinemap.org) to the Community Earth System Model (cesm.ucar.edu). Students with quantitative training and backgrounds in ecology, forestry, or environmental sciences are encouraged to apply. Students will have the opportunity to be involved in new university-wide graduate training programs in global change and remote sensing. For more information visit www.frec.vt.edu or contact Dr. Quinn Thomas (rqtho...@vt.edu).
Re: [ECOLOG-L] how we lose good scientists - silence?
In answer to Clara's question - I am pursuing a higher degree along an ecology/molecular biology vein in order to do research that is relevant to marine conservation efforts as well as educate. It is true that a professor has no obligation to be a friend nor to relate personally but it is not unreasonable to expect to be treated as an adult and with courtesy and respect. It is no less than I would expect of myself where others are concerned. I have been very fortunate thus far. There is always a choice and each of us is ultimately responsible for our own happiness whatever that requires. CR On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Clara B. Jones wrote: ...i'm assuming you'll be in graduate school in some area related to Ecology...what, perchance, are you seeking...what do you want to do...data suggest that females are relationship-oriented, males, instrumental [yes, i understand that those generalizations are not universal or statistically independent]...you don't need to go to grad school to find relationships...but you can't find a terrific education anywhere...great professors are not necessarily nice...and have no obligation to relate to students personally... On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Cynthia Ross cyn_r...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I'm piping up here as a 40-something heading into grad school. Maybe it's a bit of a digression but one of the disturbing things I have noticed as a non-traditional student is that my younger fellow students were often afraid to speak up when something was amiss or to be honest about their needs. Rather they will say and do what they think the advisor/mentor/instructor wants without discussing it which often resulted in frustration and resentment by one or both parties. In my experience, honesty has proven to be the best policy even if it is not the news the other wants to hear. Things happen and life doesn't stop just because you are in a demanding job or a M.S. or PhD program. If we are honest about what we need and what our limitations are, adjustments can be made and we can move forward. At the very least you retain your self-respect and gain the respect of the other party for your honesty. It's really all about communication as in any relationship. That said, some people are just unreasonable but then why would you want to work with them? Life is just too short. Cheers, CR On Feb 14, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Aaron T. Dossey wrote: Doesn't a requirement that a salaried employee work more than 40 hours (literally or de-facto) violate labor laws? Maybe it's just a matter of a greater need for professors, sit down for this one law enforcement, accountability and transparency? On 2/14/2013 3:08 PM, Judith S. Weis wrote: It should be strongly recommended to all grad school applicants to learn about their potential advisors ahead of time by talking to grad students in that lab and in other labs. That way you can find out about the person's attitudes towards grad students having a life, having a family etc. and whether or not they demand 12-hour days and weekends etc. That way you know what you will be getting into and can make a more informed choice of advisor. There are many humane professors out there. I'd like to think that I have been one of them. OK, after a couple of days of thought, I'll take up the gauntlet. Academia is extremely competitive. That's because there are a lot of really smart people out there who want to do this work and not a lot of positions available for them. That's a fact we can't get around. If you want to survive in the ecology pond, you either need to be a big, fast fish, or you need to be a fish that doesn't eat much. Or you leave, and ecology becomes a hobby or side interest while you make a living doing something else. But in the pond, we can still be good to each other. During my time in grad school, I had a life. I got married and started a family. It took me 8 years to get my PhD. But at no time did anyone say I should be working more instead of being with my family. And I did not work nights and weekends. I always had the full support of my advisors, committee and department. (Some of whom are on this list - you know who you are, and thank you!) I was on the verge of crawling out of the pond, but someone decided to give me a chance, despite my unwillingness to commit to more than 40 hours a week. I now have a (non-tenure track) faculty position, which is perfect for me right now because I STILL don't work nights and weekends (usually anyway). I am not a big fish, but I'm in the pond, well, a neighboring pond. And now as I work with grad students, I support them in pursuing their own research interests and in their desire to have a life outside of school (sometimes I need to remind them). I can't change the competitiveness of academia, but academia is made up of individuals. As one individual in the system, I can
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues
Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel moving on when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence. Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics Professional Training and Development University of New Hampshire http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability School of Undergraduate Studies (online) University of Maryland University College Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences Department of Liberal Arts New Hampshire Institute of Art We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Olden Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student#x2019;s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Hi Yvette, Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). Let's all move on now. Cheers, Julian --- Julian D. Olden Freshwater Ecology Conservation Lab School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 e: mailto:ol...@uw.edu ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 w: http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ skype: goldenolden The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day. Mark Twain On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, Yvette Dickinson mailto:yvette.dickin...@gmail.com yvette.dickin...@gmail.com wrote: Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's list: 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented... This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find abhorrent. I initially chose not to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told to simply use your email filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is offensive. The concerns Chandreyee raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and respect they deserve. I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly principle g. Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their work on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, national origin, age, economic status, disability, or organizational affiliation. Yvette Dickinson
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues
Seems to me that you completely misunderstood Dr. Olden's e-mail, who (to my understanding) just tried to help everyone to reject sexist comments like the one originally posted. I am not saying that this kind of comments should not be publicly disapproved, and probably just moving them into the spam folder is not the best solution, but I really don't see why Dr. Olden should take the blame for it when he was just trying to help. Best, Miguel. 2013/2/18 Leslie M. Adams leslie.ad...@comcast.net Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel moving on when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence. Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics Professional Training and Development University of New Hampshire http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability School of Undergraduate Studies (online) University of Maryland University College Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences Department of Liberal Arts New Hampshire Institute of Art We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Olden Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student#x2019;s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Hi Yvette, Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). Let's all move on now. Cheers, Julian --- Julian D. Olden Freshwater Ecology Conservation Lab School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 e: mailto:ol...@uw.edu ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 w: http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ skype: goldenolden The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day. Mark Twain On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, Yvette Dickinson mailto: yvette.dickin...@gmail.com yvette.dickin...@gmail.com wrote: Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's list: 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented... This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find abhorrent. I initially chose not to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told to simply use your email filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is offensive. The concerns Chandreyee raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and respect they deserve. I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly principle g. Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their work on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, national origin, age, economic status, disability, or organizational affiliation. Yvette Dickinson -- *Miguel Cañedo-Argüelles* https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Miguel_Canedo-Argueelles/ *Lytle Lab* Cordley Hall Oregon State University Corvallis, Oregon (USA) 97331 http://www.science.oregonstate.edu/lytlelab/?q=home *Freshwater Ecology and Management (F.E.M.) research group*
[ECOLOG-L] Terminology Re: [ECOLOG-L] Definition of green
Y'all, Green and sustainable, and yes, even perhaps biodiversity are examples of terms that have lost some of their utility because they have been hijacked by Madison Avenue (ad nauseam) as buzz-words and sales gimmickry, and often serve to cause the sheep to stray off into greener pastures rather than into the brush where things are a lot more interesting. But being led down the garden path is an epistemological fact of life, however magnified by today's flim-flammers, creating confusion and making clear communication difficult. Words, terms, need to have one meaning, or lacking that a clear definition in context, but that is frustrated by reckless generalization whereby any word can mean what you want it to mean, whether or not others understand it the way you mean it or not. A lot of qualification, if not reconstruction, is then required, just to get back to the starting place. Didn't Alice and the Red Queen have a discussion about this? WT - Original Message - From: Corbin, Jeffrey D. corb...@union.edu To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: [ECOLOG-L] Definition of green Hello Ecologgers – Hopefully this isn't too tangential… On behalf of a colleague, I am looking for articles that investigate what the public perceives to be the meaning of green. Despite the fact that many of us subscribe to the concept of green or sustainable it can mean many different things. (Though perhaps sustainable is easier to define). And a related issue: are there other examples of movements that have grown around relatively poorly-defined concepts? Biodiversity could be one…No nukes another? I realize that this is more of a question for political scientists, but I thought some here might have some suggestions too. Thanks in advance! -Jeff Jeffrey D. Corbin Associate Professor Department of Biological Sciences Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 (518) 388-6097 http://jeffcorbin.org - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1430 / Virus Database: 2639/5613 - Release Date: 02/18/13
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues
Exactly! We are now all feeding the troll. Let's talk about best strategies to be successful. I taught myself GIS after getting my PhD (which is in economics btw) and was very willing to collaborate, rip my writing to shreds and re-submit to end up with grant proposals that would be funded (note that English is not my native language). I did have a great boss who let me be a co-PI while I was a staff scientist at a research center, and that sense of responsibilities and rewards being aligned did help. It also helped that my boss was a woman who had children so when I had children myself I did not feel shunned. But the point is that those GIS and grant writing skills got me my tenure track job, because they gave me an edge over the next candidate. For people working in ecology, it is true that R has some terrific advantages, but if you work with people in geography (as I do), many of them use ArgGIS, so that is also a consideration... Silvia On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Miguel Cañedo mcanedo@gmail.com wrote: Seems to me that you completely misunderstood Dr. Olden's e-mail, who (to my understanding) just tried to help everyone to reject sexist comments like the one originally posted. I am not saying that this kind of comments should not be publicly disapproved, and probably just moving them into the spam folder is not the best solution, but I really don't see why Dr. Olden should take the blame for it when he was just trying to help. Best, Miguel. 2013/2/18 Leslie M. Adams leslie.ad...@comcast.net Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel moving on when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence. Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics Professional Training and Development University of New Hampshire http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability School of Undergraduate Studies (online) University of Maryland University College Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences Department of Liberal Arts New Hampshire Institute of Art We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Olden Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student#x2019;s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Hi Yvette, Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). Let's all move on now. Cheers, Julian --- Julian D. Olden Freshwater Ecology Conservation Lab School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 e: mailto:ol...@uw.edu ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 w: http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ skype: goldenolden The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day. Mark Twain On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, Yvette Dickinson mailto: yvette.dickin...@gmail.com yvette.dickin...@gmail.com wrote: Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's list: 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented... This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find abhorrent. I initially chose
Re: [ECOLOG-L] Gender issues
Dear all, I was not at all offended by Dr. Olden's advice, and, as a matter of fact, found it very sensible. Thanks Chandreyee On Feb 18, 2013, at 13:40, Leslie M. Adams leslie.ad...@comcast.net wrote: Now, I am the one who must speak up and voice my support for Yvette (and Chandreyee). While no slight may have been intended, as a female scientist I too experienced the responses Yvette cites - and especially the one recently posted by Dr. Olden - as belittling and dismissive. There is considerable gender bias in the fields of ecology and biology and it is important to object to it whenever it arises; whether intentional or not. Perhaps it is easy to counsel moving on when you are unaffected by this handicap personally, but to say that it is somehow unsuitable or inappropriate to address on this listserv is ridiculous and dismisses the tremendously damaging effect this bias has on many, many lives. It is also not lost on me that the issue of gender has somehow arisen in a discussion of the skills necessary for landing a job in ecology. I would suggest that this is no coincidence. Leslie M. Adams, Ph.D. Adjunct Professor of Plant Systematics Professional Training and Development University of New Hampshire http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ http://home.comcast.net/~leslie.adams/ Home Office: 603 / 659-6177 Adjunct Associate Professor of Environmental Sustainability School of Undergraduate Studies (online) University of Maryland University College Adjunct Professor of Life Sciences Department of Liberal Arts New Hampshire Institute of Art We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. - Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU] On Behalf Of Julian Olden Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 1:04 PM To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] A Graduate Student#x2019;s Guide to Neces sary Skills for Landing a Job Hi Yvette, Apologies, but your interpretation of my suggestion is extremely misguided and flat-out wrong. My response was a cleaver way of saying that you can ignore the silly responses of particular ECO-LOGGERS (some of which have a track record of this behavior) by filtering your emails. Unfortunately your email has added fuel to a series of ECOLOG posts that have very little to do with the original premise of the Blickley et al. (2012). Let's all move on now. Cheers, Julian --- Julian D. Olden Freshwater Ecology Conservation Lab School of Aquatic and Fishery Sciences University of Washington, Seattle WA 98195 e: mailto:ol...@uw.edu ol...@uw.edu, t: (206) 616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 tel:%28206%29%20616-3112 w: http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ http://www.fish.washington.edu/research/oldenlab/ skype: goldenolden The face of the river . . . was not a book to be read once and thrown aside, for it had a new story to tell every day. Mark Twain On 2/18/13 7:37 AM, Yvette Dickinson mailto:yvette.dickin...@gmail.com yvette.dickin...@gmail.com wrote: Like Chandreyee Mitra I was surprised by the comment included in Clara's list: 7. ...i am somewhat exercised by your post because, IMO, too many young, especially, female, applicants don't bring much to the table that others don't already know or that cannot be readily duplicated or that is mostly generalist-oriented... This is a sentiment that I have heard before in other venues and find abhorrent. I initially chose not to comment on it here, but I do support Chandreyee's in her comment. However, I am disgusted by the response Chandreyee recieved. To be told to simply use your email filter and not worry your silly little head over such matters is offensive. The concerns Chandreyee raised are legitimate, and should be addressed with the gravity and respect they deserve. I would like to remind all readers of ESA's code of ethics, particularly principle g. Ecologists will not discriminate against others, in the course of their work on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, marital status, creed, religion, race, color, national origin, age, economic status, disability, or organizational affiliation. Yvette Dickinson
