Why would you lose out on the wattmeter? The power (forward and
reflected) is derived from an on-board coupler and calculations are
done in the KAT's MCU. VRFdet doesn't have anything to do with that.
On May 24, 2006, at 10:15 AM, Leigh L Klotz, Jr. wrote:
I wish it were possible to use the
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:13:12 +0300
From: Bekir Kemal Ataman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is it possible at all to work from a train in motion?
de TA2RX
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Merhebe Bekir,
Yes, you can operate from a train, see LA5XOA's story from last year about
LA1TRAIN - LA9TRAIN
Yes, 2-meters is no problem, HF may be a bit harder but not
impossible. Our trains here are kinda noisy though, I swear some of
those cars have square wheels! 73 de Alex NS6Y
On May 24, 2006, at 12:17 AM, Sverre Holm wrote:
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Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:13:12
Hi,
Sure, though my 80m-antenna is only a HamStick at my balcony.
In EMEA there is often the possibility to have some fine QSOs around
3540-3580. CW speed is low (often abt. 12 wpm), so good to have some
relaxing contacts. Even with the limited antenna reports are within
539-579.
73 de Michael,
I'm not interested in the amps, although they look great and hope that they
are a big success. I really enjoy the test equipment kits such as the XG-2
and noise source. Hopefully more specialized small test equipment such as
this can be done w/o a really large RD commitment.
Of the big projects
-Original Message-
From: Craig D. Smith
Of the big projects being discussed, the K3 is the only one that
captures my interest and enthusiasm.
--
Funny you mention a K3. I was thinking about it this morning. After
using the K2 for a bit I find my need for a
Now THAT sounds promising. I too am a low-budget ham (contrary to my
wife's opinion). For me $2000 and above is out of reach. But, if
Elecraft builds a great full featured, full priced amp and then brings
out a Q$P (that's QRP for dollars) version of it that gives basic solid
800 watts out -
As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other
way of determining the size/dimentions.
If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love
to see a K3 that matched the amp in size.
Make it modular and expandable. Have slots on the
Eric - When can I buy an EC8 enclosure (based upon the KPA800 cabinet) to
begin my home brew K3? ;)
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From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Augie (Gus) Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Rick,
I've been usinga 52 ft wire with 50 ft counterpoise on 80. I forget the SWR
now but the KXAT1 tunes it on all four bands.
I grew up in AK- the last four year on Annette Island near Ketchikan.
72,
Bruce
N7CEE
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Speaking of test equipment, I'd like to see Elecraft come out with a
real QRP watt meter at a decent price. Something small that can be
taken to the field and can read 1 mW up to 20W. The OHR QRP watt
meter is nice but too big for the trail and a bit on the expensive
side IMO. I think a watt
Just my $0.02, but I think there is a problem looming for Elecraft as it
concerns a new radio. The next logical step in terms of performance is a
contest grade K3 with SO2R capability to match the new amps. The major
problem with this is that is not compatible with a kit... IMHO. I just
I've had all of the Begali keys, and helped a bunch of others with
theirs. When we got them, the gap had to be changed often, close one
day, not so close the next. I had a conversation with Bob Crane (W8SX,
not Col. Hogan,) who learned me that the contacts should be slightly
It is not learned
Check out my LP-300 digital handheld wattmeter kit at
www.telepostinc.com. Also, for base station use, my LP-100 digital
vector wattmeter kit was a huge success at Dayton. The LP-300 is
accurate for power and SWR from 10 mW to 120W. The LP-100 is good from
50 mW to the legal limit.
73,
Yes, a watt meter that is the right level for the K2 for less than $100
would be great!
I'm currently using my Palstar meter which I have wired backwards. The
reflected scale then gives me QRP resolution for measuring forward
power. Of course my ability to measure SWR is gone but at 5 or 10
JT,
The Elecraft KAT2, KAT1, KXAT1, KAT100 and KAT100 already contain
wattmeters, so if you have one of these in your station, you do have a
wattmeter buit in - no need to carry a separate wattmeter, particularly for
the trail. Of course, if you are using a non-Elecraft QRP rig, then the
need is
My LP-300 has a peak power mode with a peak-hold display on the
numerical readout. It also has fast analog bargraphs for power and SWR
that can follow voice peaks. It shows accurate SWR down to about 10 mW
forward power. It runs on a 9V Duracell or Lithium battery, or external 12v.
Larry
My K2 and my watt meter do not agree. When I set the K2 power output at
5 watts I get almost 10 according to the external watt meter. Setting
K2 power output at about 12 watts gives something between 15 and 20 out
on the external meter. At settings above about 13 watts on the K2 knob,
I get the
Up-to-date DX news is easy to come by and free. Although some bulletins
are pay subscription based, I wouldn't agree that most require a paid
subscription. Here are links to 4 excellent and free email/internet
based DX bulletins:
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DX News Letter:
I tried TWO good watt meters on the K2 and I found that the K2 is NOT accurate.
The ONLY place I found it to be accurate is at exactly two watts. I also found
that my K2/100 will go down to 100 Mw then jump to just over one watt, then to
over to three and etc, it's not a smooth transition. I
Tom Althoff wrote:
Eric - When can I buy an EC8 enclosure (based upon the KPA800 cabinet)
to begin my home brew K3? ;)
I don't think you want to do this. The KPA's are *much* bigger than a
Tentec Orion. I would say that they are at least as big as my National
HRO-5TA1. Hmm, now that I
100 MW now that's what I call QRPP !
When is the next Elecraft QRO amp due ?
:)
73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Wed, 24 May 2006 07:45:19 -0700 (PDT), Curt wrote:
I tried TWO good watt meters on the K2 and I found that the K2 is NOT
accurate. The ONLY place I found it to be accurate is at exactly two
wayne said; all functional modules simply plug in
So I would expect that the PA modules that are in the KPA800/1500
could have been engineered to be put in other things: a smaller amp
??? a transceiver ??
a mobile amp ?? utilizing the motherboard concept...
Maybe the K4 will have a
But Bill...
BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the
TITANTIC Y brand product line.
...don't you know,m that real radios have to weigh at least twice as
much as the OP... hi hi
vy 73 de toby
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Hi Larry,
Maybe they will need to do something like they are doing with the new amps -
kit or assembled? And critical boards already stuffed and checked out.
I built a K2 because that is the only way it comes. I bought it for the
performance and the size. I enjoy putting kits together and I feel
These have been great posts. As I convalesce from back surgery, my dreams of
Elecraft kits have become much more vivid. I ran across Larry N8LP's kits,
that may be what you are thinking of, JT. Check out
http://www.telepostinc.com/n8lp.html .
73, Jamie
WB4YDL
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From:
I finally got a chance to try my KX1 on 80m last night. I've had the new
KXB3080 installed for several weeks and did the resistor/L3 power mods, but
haven't actually gotten on the air before now.
Late yesterday, about 2330 EDT I heard a weak station at around 3720. Zeroed
him in with the K6XX
On Wed, 24 May 2006, Toby Deinhardt wrote:
But Bill...
BUT PLEASE don't make it like the form factor of the
TITANTIC Y brand product line.
...don't you know,m that real radios have to weigh at least twice as much as
the OP... hi hi
And at the very least require that they be mounted in a
Just completed a 80/17 board for my K1 and would like to know if the K1
tuner will tune on 80 meters.
Thanks.
73
Gene
N0MQ
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The basic K2 power ouput indication is very accurate when operating into a
50 ohm non-reactive load. If it is driving anything other than that load,
the indication will be inaccurate - he basic K2 does not have a wattmeter, t
does have an RF Probe type detector which reports the RF Voltage to the
Curt,
The base K2 power reading is quite accurate if (and only if) the load is 50
ohms pure resistance. See my other post on the subject.
Since you have a K2/100, the included wattmeter should be as accurate as
your calibration of it. Prhaps you should re-do the calibration - or
possibly both
Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.
Mike Scott
AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (near LA)
Elecraft KX1 4-Watts
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of N2TK,
Thanks Don,
So with my basic K2, I should get agreement between the K2's setting and
its output when driving my 50 ohm dummy load. I'll check it that way
and report back.
I never completed the RF probe with the K2 (didn't need it). I assume
it simply converts RF AC voltage into DC voltage
Gee, maybe we are up to the K5 with this feature?
N2TK, Tony
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 12:54 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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Now that the K3 has
I wish it were possible to use the KAT100 wattmeter with an amplifier
other than the KPA100 but it isn't. I have an HFPacker amp, and if you
bring VRFdet into the K2, it applies the K2 ALC to the output of the
amplifier, and the RF gain knob won't go past 15W. The solution from
Gary was to
From: Mike Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed May 24 11:54:12 CDT 2006
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New Elecraft Products
K3-K5? Too many features can cause a drop in the need for operating skills. I
think Elecraft builders and CW Ops can be held in a high regard for thier
It's a standard diode peak detector I believe, so it would indicate 31.7
VDC (minus the drop) at 10 W for a 50 ohm load. I expect the drop is
about 0.3 V.
Larry N8LP
Darwin, Keith wrote:
Thanks Don,
So with my basic K2, I should get agreement between the K2's setting and
its output
Ya lost me there Larry. P = E^^2 / R. R is 50 ohms, P is 10 watts, E
works out to sqrt(500) or 22.36 volts. But are we talking RMS, peak, or
peak-to-peak?
Let's see, if my number is an RMS and you're number is peak, then 22.36
is about 22.4. Multiply by 1.41 and I get 31.6 Pretty close to
What I don't understand is why we keep putting small gear in little
rectangular boxes.
We need a human sized panel for human sized knobs and buttons but that
doesn't mean we need a BIG rig! Indeed, it can be very small and friendly on
modern desks.
Look at a modern flat panel computer or TV
Somehow, I don't see Elecraft coming out with a new transceiver in the near
future. Their accomplishments in developing new products and innovations is
pretty amazing. Tasking Wayne with the design of a new radio would be way too
much overload.
But if we were to do so, I second all the
That's an interesting thought, Ron. It would also give a lot more room
for rear panel connectors.
73,
Larry N8LP
Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
What I don't understand is why we keep putting small gear in little
rectangular boxes.
We need a human sized panel for human sized knobs and buttons
Geez, Ron...that's actually brilliant!
Eric
KE6US
www.ke6us.com
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:49 AM
To: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Wha'ts Wrong With Our Radios
Ron,
Interesting take on the flat pannel rigs. I've long wanted to mount my Kenwood
TS-850S/AT to that the controls are flush with the desktop, but that put too
much below the desk for knees, little hands, and pets to clobber.
As an alternative, mounting the controls so they are at a 45
Mike Scott wrote:
Now that the K3 has dual receivers (grin) and stereo audio it needs to be
able to slave the two receivers to provide binaural I-Q receive.
What would this sound like? I've always wanted to try some kind of
crossover device that would distribute the signal between the two
You're on to something, Ron. - I Like it.
Now picture this. There is a protective cover over the front of the radio
hinged on the right side of the radio. For travel and dust protection when
not using the radio, the hinged panel is closed over the knobs displays on
the radio and provides for
Mike wrote:
Late yesterday, about 2330 EDT I heard a weak station at around 3720. Zeroed
him in with the K6XX tuning indicator, and replied to his call. He pause for
a bit, then resumed calling CQ. Okay, I don't always get a reply -- my
antenna is definitely not optimal for 80m, a 40m horizontal
There were a few inquiries about what I did to improve the Begali
contacts, so I thought I'd answer here, for any that are interested:
I've used several different abrasive paper grit grades
...400-600-800-1000, use about three of these. Take off the contact
post, being very, very, very careful
One way to determine if you are listening to an image is to note how the
signal tunes. On 40M and 80M the pitch of the signal should increase as you
turn the KX1 tuning knob clockwise (higher frequency). If the tone decreases
instead it is not being listened to on the proper side and you should
Thanks to Ron for his excellent explanation and all the others who replied. Now
that I know about the 1200 hz difference I will keep an ear out for this
phenomenon.
Do you think this would happen in the K1 also, or are the K1 filters sharper?
I'm much more used to hearing very weak signals
This is definately OT, but regarding the cost of a 6146, when I was a teenager
a 6146 (for my DX-60)cost a about 6 bucks. Taking a teenage girl out on a
Saturday night also cost about 6 bucks back then. So I had a choice...I won't
tell you what my decision was, however, on another thread
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From: Don Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Darwin, Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K2 power output measurement accuracy?
K2 - all it takes is a known non-reactive 50 ohm load. I use 1%
Rick, K7MW asked:
With my K2 into a DL1, my WM-2 meter shows up to 20 % higher power than my
DMM and slide rule indicates. Is the DL1 likely more accurate than my WM-2
meter. If so, I will recalibrate my K2 with the DL1 and DDM. Than I will
have a stronger QRP signal and be able to work 300
I like the sound of this... Maybe a few more items
accessible directly from a switch (Rx antenna in/out,
filter settings, maybe a dual display so you can see
where VFO B is (and not make a fool of yourself in a
pileup)). Maybe a USB compatible port? Built in 4P
antenna switch... Ahh the mind
OK, I can understand wanting a good reasonably
accurate watt meter. I can even see why there would be
interest ina QRPp meter... But can someone please
explain to me spending $1500 for a watt meter?
Julius
n2wn
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Those are the kind of words I like to hear!
73,
Doug, W6JD
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From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For those of you who have noted that $5K+ is not cheap, a very brief
history lesson and prediction follows.
1999:
- Elecraft's first
My K2 is connected to a computer which substantially increases its size. I
have macros made up for MixW that cover most of the commands for the K2. I
pretty much never touch the K2 except for the occasional gain adjustment.
The radio is essentially the size of my LCD monitor. There are several
Gee whiz folks, that sounds an awful lot like a laptop running one of the
rig control programs - the possibilities are endless! Logging programs, DX
Cluster spots, scanning, and lots of other things could be added. Come to
think of it, I can do that already with my K2 and HRD or N4PY software.
I am officially the proud new owner of K1-2 Serial #292 with KAT1 and
40/20 meters purchased from K5MO. Very smooth transaction with John,
very reputable guy to deal with.
I also have parts on order from Elecraft to add a couple more band
modules. The K1 was designed as a 2-band rig and I plan
Not when there are such fine QRP capable meter kits out there. For a lot
less bucks.
Stuart
K5KVH
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At 15W the DL-1 is by far more accurate. It is probably within a few
percent, based on a normal random distribution of resistor values, and
5% worst case if they're all off in the same direction. Keep in mind
though that the resistance changes as temperature rises... so it's best
to take a
Because it matches your Alpha? ;-)
Larry N8LP
J F wrote:
OK, I can understand wanting a good reasonably
accurate watt meter. I can even see why there would be
interest ina QRPp meter... But can someone please
explain to me spending $1500 for a watt meter?
Julius
n2wn
On 5/24/06, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As this is a pretty low serial number, I'm off to crack open the K1
and see if the updates and latest firmwares have been applied.
Well, I definitely have a Rev. D K1-2 and K1FIL2.
MCU Firmware is 1.09E and I'm now trying to determine if K1UPKT
My K1 did not come with the original DC Power Plug. I see in the
parts list that J4 is 2.1mm in size. The local Radio Shack has two
with an ID of 2.1mm - one they call a Size M and the other is a Size
K.
Anyone have a clue as to which would be the better gamble to try so I
don't have to buy
The K1 is small enough you can take it to the
store to try them both.
Good luck and 73
Bob N6WG
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:15 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] What size DC
I own the Alpha (87A) but instead I purchased the LP-100 digital watt meter
kit by N8LP. Just as accurate, at 1/5th the price, and it will match the
looks of my Alpha even better! Got to love the sexy PLED Display ;-)
Frank - W6NEK
Larry N8LP wrote:
Because it matches your Alpha? ;-)
With all the metal close to practical antennas, it is much more difficult
than automobile mobile. It is the restriction on height and width of the
antennas compared to train size.
You may do best with low dipole and be content with NVIS technique.
(Contacts out to 800 miles are possible). DX
On 5/24/06, Robert Tellefsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The K1 is small enough you can take it to the
store to try them both.
I'll just order one from Elecraft. Tom Hammond says to avoid the RS
ones as they have the hot (inner) contact extending out just barely
past the end of the insulation,
On 5/24/06, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I don't understand is why we keep putting small gear in little
rectangular boxes.
I agree. I hope my next QRP rig is the size of Apple's iPod nano *. :-)
http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/
* 3.5 x 1.6 x 0.27 inches and 1.5 ounces
or 89 x
My K1 did not come with the original DC Power Plug. I see in the
parts list that J4 is 2.1mm in size. The local Radio Shack has two
with an ID of 2.1mm - one they call a Size M and the other is a Size
K.
Anyone have a clue as to which would be the better gamble to try so I
don't have to
One clarification - Wayne is correct in stating that many of our
products evolve and morph into additional versions over time. But its
important to note that we are not developing any other amplifiers right
now besides the KPA800 and KPA1500. We're 100% committed to getting
these out and want
You might be better off building a 160/80 and then a 30/17, or
30/15 board. The 10 meter band is still in some limbo stages I think.
Just be aware that it's not wise to have two boards with the same band
(like an 80/40 and 40/20 board as the CPU can only remember one
corrective offset per
I love the product idea for a K2b or K3, based on
an upgrade to K2 base! New Front Panel, New Control
Board - and some new options that plug into one's
existing K2 RF Board. (I couldn't readily find who
put up that idea - but great!)
New Ideas - I beg to differ, and my 3 cents. In
any large
JT wrote:
The K1 was designed as a 2-band rig and I plan on keeping it
that way. I'm positive the 4-band filter board works fine as designed
The K1 was not compromised in any way by the introduction of the four-band
filter board. I have K1 #175, and I originally built 40/20 and 30/15 boards
Vic Rosenthal wrote:
What would this sound like? I've always wanted to try some kind of
crossover device that would distribute the signal between the two
earphones according to frequency. Then as I tune through a CW signal, it
would seem to move. Is this the same idea?
Fred (FL) wrote:
It is said, McIntosh's TUBE AMPLIFEIRS still draw
BIG BUCKS, for the hi-fi/stereo buff. Why?
Because some people confuse superstition and science.
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73,
Vic, K2VCO
Fresno CA
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco
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A backpacking trip is being planned that will consist of 3 QRPers: Guy
N7UN/2, Ed WA3WSJ and myself. We plan to hike a 29 mile section of the
Appalachian Trail in northwestern NJ over the weekend of June 2-4 and hope
to be on the air on the evenings of the 2nd and 3rd after setting up camp.
I am looking for someone in the greater Dayton area who owns a KX-1 who
would let me come visit and try it out.
thanks
Mike
W8LPR
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A tenth-drop of Deoxit on the contacts will produce the same effect
with no abrasion at all.
best wishes,
dave belsley, w1euy
On May 24, 2006, at 9:37 AM, n3drk wrote:
I've had all of the Begali keys, and helped a bunch of others with
theirs. When we got them, the gap had to be changed
Sometime last night K2TA posted what I was thinking:
As long as we are dreaming...I wish the KPA800 photo had a K2 or some other
way of determining the size/dimentions.
If the KPA800/1500 is not much larger than a Ten-Tec Orion then I would love
to see a K3 that matched the amp in size.
Make
I put the stuff on my keys a couple of years ago and haven't had any
problems since. I think it will last indefinitely. I learned about
the stuff on this reflector, so I suspect there are those with even
longer experience who may want to chime in.
best wishes,
dave belsley, w1euy
On
Dave-
I bought a Graciella at Dayton so am very interested in this thread. Are
you talking about Caig Deoxit or something else?
Bob W2WG
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:21 PM
To: Kenneth
Yes. It's fantastic for virtually all contacts and pots.
dave belsley, w1euy
On May 24, 2006, at 10:28 PM, ROBERT CARROLL wrote:
Dave-
I bought a Graciella at Dayton so am very interested in this
thread. Are
you talking about Caig Deoxit or something else?
Bob W2WG
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David A. Belsley wrote:
A tenth-drop of Deoxit on the contacts will produce the same effect with
no abrasion at all.
Not with the Begali 'alloy' contacts it won't! I struggled with them
for some time, trying all kinds of things, including deoxit, without
solving the problem of funny contact
I think the web site eham.net is down, as in permenantly. This is a
loss because it's a useful source of reviews on all kinds of
equipment, not only Elecraft but other makers too. As well as
articles, discussions, elmers QA, and a bunch of other great
resources.
However, they've been
I'm one of those who has used DeOxit on some old keys - two bugs from the
1950's that see regular service on my operating desk.
I was having to constantly buff the contacts. I used bit of paper, drawing
it through the contacts while holding them closed several times. If I didn't
use a particular
Hello Everybody!
The Spring QSO Party results will be finalized by this
weekend, as it looks as though the final snail mail
entries that were postmarked by the deadline have all
made it in.
This of course means that it is now time for the 2006
running of the HOOTOWL SPRINT!
This contest
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From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Ideas - new Elecraft Products
Fred (FL) wrote:
It is said, McIntosh's TUBE AMPLIFEIRS still draw
BIG BUCKS, for the
Interesting post on the DeOxit.. I just got a bug and was told,
They're not as good as modern keyers, they truncate their dits. But
maybe some DeOxit and paper burnishing will change this. Thanks for
the info, 73 de Alex NS6Y
On May 24, 2006, at 9:11 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
I'm
Here is the message again.
I keep going back and checking, and they've been nuked off of the
face of the earth. I have visions of the owner/webmaster either
making a panicky buy of plane tickets under assumed names to
Switzerland or Brazil, or of them under a bridge right now, deciding
who gets
Alexandra Carter wrote:
I think the web site eham.net is down, as in permenantly. This is a
loss because it's a useful source of reviews on all kinds of
equipment, not only Elecraft but other makers too. As well as
articles, discussions, elmers QA, and a bunch of other great
resources.
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