[Elecraft] Hex Key for sale in UK

2008-11-25 Thread Ian Maude
Hi all, I am not using my Hexkey so I am selling it. It is serial 83 for those interested. I am selling this for £80 plus carriage, half the price of new in the UK. The key is sold. Thanks for the interest. 73 Ian -- Ian J Maude, G0VGS SysOp GB7MBC DX Cluster Member RSGB, GQRP K2 #4044

[Elecraft] K3 K3PR6 AMPS IN-LINE

2008-11-25 Thread K2ZLS
For those of you who may want more gain, It almost looks like you might be able to stage these units in-line and be controlled by an external bank of switches. I'm already wondering how many might be used and how much trade-off of SIG-NOISE might be tolerable.Just a thought.

[Elecraft] xv432

2008-11-25 Thread ron
big thanks to robert friess for helping me get my rig working. simple fix 10 ohm res in series with the power module input lead. stopped the rig from staying keyed at fullpower till i shut it off. now to make some contacts.thanks again, ron ___

Re: [Elecraft] Wherefore art thou, K3 (in CQWW)

2008-11-25 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn
OK... or better yet, D'oh! It was pointed out to me that I live in Zone 4 (I knew that) and operate from the same. SCP has it right... I have been sending 04 for a number of years... The only problem was that my CQ WW DX certificate states new Zone 5 record and I bought into it. Oops! ;o)

Re: [Elecraft] xv432

2008-11-25 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Ron, While you are using your XV432, have you experienced any output power instability and frequency drift? Initially, I find power instability in my XV144. Upon advice from Gary of Elecraft, I do some works in improving the grounding of some of the sockets and joints. The problem of

RE: [Elecraft] ARRL 160

2008-11-25 Thread Julius Fazekas
Dale, You make some great points on propagation, worth keeping in mind this weekend... Just did some propagation plots and 80M looks like it will be the place to be... Good chance to add to your DXCC totals. Ya say no one has a beam on the low low bands, you know 80 and 160? I know there are

[Elecraft] FS: KAF2

2008-11-25 Thread WA6L
I just built and installed a KDSP2 in my K2 and I now have a built and working KAF2 for sale. It will come with the manual, the control-board headers, and the standoff. $55 and I will ship to anywhere in the USA. Please contact me off the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 73, John, WA6L -- View

[Elecraft] FS K2/100

2008-11-25 Thread Julius Fazekas n2wn
Elecraft K2 #3311 with: KPA100 KNB2 KAF2 K160X KSB2 cables, finger dimple, headphones w/boom mike (new computer type) and documents. Physically in excellent shape. Never had it on SSB updated to the latest rev both firmware and hardware $825 shipped CONUS 73, Julius n2wn -- View this message

[Elecraft] [K3] K3AFMDKT

2008-11-25 Thread Roy Morris
After having installed the RFC47 (100 uH choke) it appears the harshness in the NR has been reduced (at least in NR F 1-1). I would be interested in hearing what others might have to say about this. Roy Morris W4WFB___ Elecraft mailing list Post to:

[Elecraft] K3 SDR THE NEXT PHASE

2008-11-25 Thread K2ZLS
I just can't believe that it's happening. Computer Software Controlled Radio is HERE in 2008. It isn't Rocket Science to take this vision one step into the future. I can see Ham Radio being consumed by the Computer. We will no longer need a RADIO. Just a COMPUTER. We look up

Re: [Elecraft] KRX3 No signal from main antenna

2008-11-25 Thread W2LE
Solved - in case anyone else has the same problem: On the sub-in board one of the leads on T1 did not have the paint removed, looked like a good solder joint until I got the magnifying glass out. Removed the solder, cleaned off the paint with an Xacto knife, resoldered it, now working like

Re: [Elecraft] K3 SDR THE NEXT PHASE

2008-11-25 Thread Thom LaCosta
At 10:23 AM 11/25/08, K2ZLS wrote: I just can't believe that it's happening. Wellif one simply sells the radio and goes on Echolink. 73, Thom k3hrn ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net

[Elecraft] N2CQ QRP Contest Calendar: Nov 24 - Dec 24, 2008

2008-11-25 Thread Ken Newman
~ N2CQ QRP CONTEST CALENDAR November 24 - December 24, 2008 ~ 80 METER FOXHUNT (CW) *** QRP Contest *** Each Tuesday Thru Mar 24 9 PM to 10:29 PM Eastern Time USA Info:

RE: [Elecraft] ARRL 160

2008-11-25 Thread Adam Koczarski
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julius Fazekas Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:53 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Dale Putnam Subject: RE: [Elecraft] ARRL 160 Dale, I know there are a couple JA stations with 3

[Elecraft] K2

2008-11-25 Thread L. D. Ingram
Hi, I recently build my second K2 sn 06405. Receiver and transmitter are working fine and I have enjoyed a number of QSOs on 40, 30 and 20 meters and the rest of the bands have been checked out with a signal generator and transmitting into a dummy load. However, occasionally when I go to

Re: [K3] [Elecraft] Loud audio blast on power up

2008-11-25 Thread Chuck - AE4CW
Shep, sorry for the late reply; I've been traveling. In the K3 Utility under View, check Advanced Mode. This will display a check box labeled *Always load DSP data tables*. Also, be sure to check all the appropriate boxes for loading the Firmware modules. This is the solution Gary provided

[Elecraft] K2 #6614

2008-11-25 Thread Marinos Markomanolakis, M.D.
The K2# 6614 has just formally come to life today. Passed Allignment and test part III with flying colors !! Slowly now time for the accessories and options to follow. 73 to all Marinos, sv9dru/ki4gin _ Windows Live Hotmail now

RE: [K3] [Elecraft] Loud audio blast on power up

2008-11-25 Thread Dick Dievendorff
You can also load data tables (along with all the other firmware, a complete refresh) by clicking Send All Firmware to K3 on the Firmware tab without checking Advanced Mode. Advanced Mode has too many choices! Dick, K6KR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

[Elecraft] Conversion from K3 to K3Plus or K4

2008-11-25 Thread Ignacy
Below is one of the crazy ideas conceived when waiting for my K3 to arrive (later this week) and lamenting over the loss of many single- function buttons from Mark V Field. One issue with K3 is too many multifunction knobs and buttons. Also, some analog meters would be nice. Computer controls

RE: [Elecraft] Conversion from K3 to K3Plus or K4

2008-11-25 Thread Darwin, Keith
I think it is a good idea. In fact, I suggested the same thing for the K2 before there was a K3 (in those pre-K3, or B3 days). Elecraft could create a new version of the K2 (K2-B, B for Big) with a larger front panel with dedicated controls. Same for the K3. I think it would be an easy thing

[Elecraft] K3 TX problem

2008-11-25 Thread Jan Erik Holm
Power can not be set, jumping up and down and all over the place, also at some power levels I do get a oscillation sound from the radio. So I tried to do TX GAIN calibration but no change. Then I continued with Wattmeter calibration. Both at 5W and 50W wattmeter can not be calibrated. I adjust

Re: [Elecraft] Conversion from K3 to K3Plus or K4

2008-11-25 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Dear Ignacy, Why complicate things? I built my K3 in January this year and didn't use my previous rig - the Mark V Field - thereafter. The K3 knocks spots off it and I have now sold it. Multi function buttons are not a problem to me - and there are several panadapters available if you want

RE: [Elecraft] Conversion from K3 to K3Plus or K4

2008-11-25 Thread Ken Alexander
I don't know much about this sort of thing, but the command set (for the K2 at least) is available, so I would think it would be a relatively simple matter to program something like a Basic Stamp to receive pushbutton presses from a small outboard control panel and send the appropriate serial

Re: [Elecraft] K2

2008-11-25 Thread Don Wilhelm
Larry, Might I suggest that you examine the keycap to be certain it is not binding on the front panel metal. That could cause very strange behavior. If it sticks, the switch will not release quickly enough for the firmware to differentiate between a tap and a press. If there is no

[Elecraft] Deaf K3 #768

2008-11-25 Thread G4MKP
I reported to the list on Sunday, a 'deaf' K3. The impact of this was receive levels at about 50dB down from stations measured on my spare receiver - slightly better with the pre-amp on. Elecraft support asked me to remove the KXV3 and jumper J66 pins 8-10, 13-15. Receiver sensitivity back to

[Elecraft] Re: K3 TX problem

2008-11-25 Thread Jan Erik Holm
Did some measuring, it looks like one of the diodes in the SWR bridge is faulty. Will replace tomorrow. Thanks to K5ESW 73 Jim SM2EKM Jan Erik Holm wrote: Power can not be set, jumping up and down and all over the place, also at some power levels I do get a oscillation

[Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread paul.bradbeer2
For those ARRL members...I've just stumbled upon the ARRL's follow-up review of the K3 on their website. Now, back to read the pdf Regards Paul M0CVX ex-AC5NO - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and

[Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread Frankie Hunt
What is the link for the review? I can't seem to find it. Thanks, Frankie K4TEN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.):

[Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread Frankie Hunt
I found the review. Frankie K4TEN ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

[Elecraft] Attentuation

2008-11-25 Thread Ken Widelitz
How much attenuation does the Attenuator put in line? Can it be adjusted? I can't find this in the manual. 73, Ken, K6LA / VY2TT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber

Re: [Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread ab2tc
That is the most perfect ARRL review I can recall having ever seen. Congratulations, Elecraft and pour a glass of champagne for everyone. You deserve it. Knut - AB2TC K3 #82 paul.bradbeer2 wrote: For those ARRL members...I've just stumbled upon the ARRL's follow-up review of the K3 on

Re: [Elecraft] Attentuation

2008-11-25 Thread Lyle Johnson
How much attenuation does the Attenuator put in line? Approximately 10 dB, not adjustable. 73, Lyle KK7P ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub,

[Elecraft] Australia

2008-11-25 Thread Robert Klein
I am planning to visit Australia in a few months (I live in the U.S.), and I want to take my K3 with me. Does anyone know of any restrictions or prohibitions for packing the K3 (and the power supply) in my suitcase and taking there? Do I need some kind of permission or license from the

[Elecraft] K3 CW filtering

2008-11-25 Thread Gary Smith
Hi, Am readying myself to invest in a K3. I am a CW op, rarely on any other mode, (haven't used any other mode in over four years). I chase DX and enjoy the occasional contest but am not a dedicated contester. On the other hand, I tend to go 100% into any of my endeavours and when I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW filtering

2008-11-25 Thread Lee Buller
Gary, The K3 is an excellent CW rig as that is what I do about 90 percent of the time...and now mostly on the low end of 40 meters.  I just have the 5 pole 500 Hz filter right now and find no objection at all to the roofing filter.  These filters are not exactly what most people think when you

Re: [Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread Ignacy
According to the review, the radio is nearly perfect. Very strong performance nearly everywhere. There were only two sets of numbers that could raise questions. The TX 3rd order IMD performance was not that good (29db) but it was on the worst band. Not sure the testing was before or after the

RE: [Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
The second one was a mediocre performance of the 1.8 filter (see table below). It had worse close IMD than the 2.7 filter, in some cases by 20db! Careful reading of the review will reveal that the particular 1.8 KHz filter was probably defective. Elecraft run much higher signal levels

Re: [Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread Toby Deinhardt
Careful reading of the review will reveal that the particular 1.8 KHz filter was probably defective. Elecraft run much higher signal levels in the first IF filter than other radios. That higher signal level can cause filter generated IMD if the crystals are not absolutely clean. I've had

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW filtering

2008-11-25 Thread John W2XS
With that, what filter should I go with to maximise my CW experience? I took the posted advice that only the first 30 dB of attenuation really mattered for a roofing filter, and therefore I ordered the 5-pole CW filters (500 and 200 Hz). I am happy with the choice. The main reason to use the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW filtering

2008-11-25 Thread hank k8dd
- Original Message - From: Gary Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] With that, what filter should I go with to maximise my CW experience? Like John W2XS I went with the 500 200 Hz filters. In CQ WPX CW I could slowly tune up 20M and work the European stations in between the loud east coast

Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Colour Contrast

2008-11-25 Thread Fred Jensen
Alan Bloom wrote: The issue is not aesthetics, but rather utility. Something like 9% of American males are red-green color blind (by far the most common type of color blindness). There are certain colors, and certain combinations of colors, that are very difficult for them to discern. It

[Elecraft] K3: New (Jan 2009) ARRL review

2008-11-25 Thread David and Dianne on Comcast
Hi All, I don't know about you, but this recent ARRL review makes me extremely proud to own a K3 and be affiliated with this company and all its talented staff. And it's an American company to boot. Would you ever imagine Happy Thanksgiving Eric, Wayne, Lyle, et.al at Elecraft. You

[Elecraft] 6 meter blocking gain in K3 QST review

2008-11-25 Thread Alan Bloom
Congratualations to Elecraft for the great QST review of the K3. I noticed that the blocking gain figures at 5 and 1 kHz offset are much worse on 6 meters (128/124 dB) than on 20 meters (140/140 dB). At 20 kHz offset the numbers are comparable. The only reason I can think of for that is worse

[Elecraft] Phillips hold-tite screwdriver mod

2008-11-25 Thread Barbara Maloney
Hello list members, I found a trick for holding small screws on the end of the screwdriver until you can get them into a tight place and started.   A small amount of electrical connector black seal mastic or putty shaped on the end of the driver takes up the gap enough to hold the screw until

RE: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Colour Contrast

2008-11-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
-Original Message- I am monochromatic [pretty rare unless you're from a remote island in the S. Pacific I can't remember the name of -- I'm not from there and I'm pretty sure none of my ancestors are either]. I can't see the numerals on my K3 keypad which my wife tells me are red on a

RE: [K3] [Elecraft] Loud audio blast on power up

2008-11-25 Thread John E. Reiser
I noticed recently that on power up my K3 makes a noise for a fraction of a second. It sounds like background atmospheric noise as it would sound with the SSB filter active, even though the radio was last powered off with a CW filter set. I don't remember exactly when this behavior began, but it

Re: [Elecraft] Phillips hold-tite screwdriver mod

2008-11-25 Thread Brendan Minish
I have been using beeswax for years to do this job. A small lump of beeswax will last for pretty much ever in this role. Just stick the point of the screwdriver in it when you need to hold screws to the tip 73 Brendan EI6IZ On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 15:50 -0800, Barbara Maloney wrote: Hello list

RE: [Elecraft] Conversion from K3 to K3Plus or K4

2008-11-25 Thread Mike McLendon
My K3 has 54 buttons outboard and a multi-purpose knob! These accessories are available from XKEYS.com and Griffin Technologies (Powermate). The XKEY product comes with software and I have made available, software for the Powermate. This is just a suggestion for the group - I have no affiliation

Re: [Elecraft] Phillips hold-tite screwdriver mod

2008-11-25 Thread J. Heide
If you have a phillips head screw just getting ready to strip out on you, just put a touch of valve lapping compound on your screwdriver. The grit will give a little extra grip to help prevent slippage. Works great, but finding valve lapping compound is a bit hard these days. I drive a Plymouth

Re: [Elecraft] K3 K3PR6 AMPS IN-LINE

2008-11-25 Thread Robert Friess
Putting more than one Preamp in line is unlikely to be beneficial because the receiver dynamic range will be seriously compromised with very little increase in sensitivity. That is why the K3 is designed with the very minimum gain before the roofing filters. 73, Bob, N6CM and PR6 design engineer

[Elecraft] Australia

2008-11-25 Thread Kevin Luxford
Greetings all. Here is the reply I sent in response to Robert's query - it may be of use to others. Go to http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1311 which is on the web site of the Australian Communications and Media Authority - the government body charged with licensing and regulation.

Re: [Elecraft] Australia

2008-11-25 Thread Ignacy
I visited VK2 twice and never a hint of problems or questions. No worries. A license (VK2ISF) took 1 hr but now with CEPT this is not needed. Please see report at http://www.eham.net/articles/17751. Ignacy, NO9E Kevin Luxford wrote: Greetings all. Here is the reply I sent in response to

RE: [Elecraft] Conversion from K3 to K3Plus or K4

2008-11-25 Thread Ken Alexander
Wow...interesting! Thanks Mike! As much as I'd like to try building a control panel myself, this would insure that the project actually gets done! I'm looking at the OEM Xkeys Matrix Board. It looks to me like you need a computer to program it to do what you want, and then the output is via

Re: [Elecraft] Phillips hold-tite screwdriver mod

2008-11-25 Thread Iain MacDonnell - K6IAM
Or get some Screw-Grab! :) http://www.screwgrab.com/ The Solder-IT guy was selling it at Dayton this year... ~Iain J. Heide wrote: If you have a phillips head screw just getting ready to strip out on you, just put a touch of valve lapping compound on your screwdriver. The grit will

[Elecraft] K3 Logic 8

2008-11-25 Thread Gary Smith
My official hi to the group, I just placed my order for a K3 today so the gears are in motion. Anyone using Logic 8 with the K3? It looks like Logic is set up for the K2 but I didn't see anything for the K3. Or are the commands the same for both K2 K3? Thanks! Gary KA1J

[Elecraft] QST Review: Minor Quibble

2008-11-25 Thread Dr. James C. Garland
This really IS a minor quibble, but the QST review noted that some hams might prefer the larger and more widely spaced buttons and knobs on full size transceivers. Turns out this isn't generally correct. By coincidence, a couple of days ago I compared the front panel layout on my K3 and my

RE: [Elecraft] K3 Logic 8

2008-11-25 Thread Phil and Christina
I use Logic 8 with my K3. Choose the K2 setting, but it works fine. Reads radio data as you log and allows some rig control from the program too. I don't do anything fancy with it, but it seems fine for the basic operations. Logic 8 also has contest log forms for many contests. I used the SS

RE: [Elecraft] K3 Logic 8

2008-11-25 Thread Greg
There's a problem when clicking on spots in Logic 8. I often find it necessary to click the spot two times. The first time sets the freq OK but it does not always set the mode. Clicking a spot a second time sets the mode. I've tried to work with Dennis on this and he made an attempt but it did

RE: [Elecraft] Phillips hold-tite screwdriver mod

2008-11-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
A magnetized screwdriver does a FB job as well, and it'll hold the lock washer on the screw in the process. There's nothing in the K3 that will be damaged by a magnetized screwdriver. I should point out that the test K3 was assembled using ONLY the tools listed in the manual. That's my rule

RE: [Elecraft] K3 Logic 8

2008-11-25 Thread Gary Smith
Hi Phil Greg That it works with the K3 is a good thing, I have been using one incarnation of Logic or the other since Logic 2. For the most part what I want is to be able to log automatically with the band mode. If it didn't work, I'd have to look around for a different software and hope it

[Elecraft] KXV3 RX ANT IN/OUT Question

2008-11-25 Thread Ken Widelitz
Does the RX ANT IN default to connecting to the RX ANT OUT? If RX ANT is not selected by the K3, does the RX ANT IN go directly to the K3's RX ANT OUT? Ken Widelitz ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber

RE: [Elecraft] KXV3 RX ANT IN/OUT Question

2008-11-25 Thread Greg
No. RX ANT must be selected. I have a QS1R SDR connected between RX IN and OUT for use as a panadapter and it only works if you turn on the RX ANT switch. 73 Greg AB7R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Widelitz Sent: Tuesday, November

Re: [Elecraft] QST Review: Minor Quibble

2008-11-25 Thread Bill W4ZV
W8ZR: This really IS a minor quibble, but the QST review noted that some hams might prefer the larger and more widely spaced buttons and knobs on full size transceivers. Turns out this isn't generally correct. Thank you for actually making those measurements! Why can't ARRL should learn to

Re: [Elecraft] 6 meter blocking gain in K3 QST review

2008-11-25 Thread Bill W5WVO
I would also be very interested in the answer to this question. I was surprised to see these BGC numbers for 6 meters. As a 6-meter SSB op who lives or dies with the summer VHF contests each year, where 40-over-S9 sporadic-E propagated signals are packed elbow-to-elbow on 50 MHz, this is a very

re: [Elecraft] K3 Colour Contrast

2008-11-25 Thread David F. Reed
Fred, to refresh your memory and in case others are interested in learning more about this unusual problem, the book you are likely think of is */The Island of the Colorblind/* by Oliver Sacks (a noted neurologist), the islands (in Micronesia) are Pingelap and Pohnpei. In the book, he

RE: [Elecraft] QST Review: Minor Quibble

2008-11-25 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
There are a significant number of Hams who feel the FT2000D is much, much too small and crowded too, or that a main tuning knob less than 4 in diameter is too small. Frankly, I like much larger rigs too, but I accept the smaller controls in exchange for the much smaller space these rigs take

[Elecraft] Bigger K3 and New Review

2008-11-25 Thread Don Rasmussen
Wayne showed me a concept drawing of the original K3. It was everything you might expect, given the huge popularity of the K2. It just looked like a K2 plus and addressed some of the physical limitations of K2. It has a slightly bigger box, more memory, etc. The K2 was, based on many QRP

Re: [Elecraft] QST Review: Minor Quibble

2008-11-25 Thread Alan Bloom
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 20:03, Bill W4ZV wrote: ... Regarding the controls, I have large hands (9 from pinky to thumb when extended) and I have no problems with the controls. I have even larger hands: 9.75-inch span. (I'm 6' 7 tall.) I have absolutely no problems with the controls. I like it

[Elecraft] Stiffening VFO B knob

2008-11-25 Thread Richard S. Lindzen
I'm personally okay with the front panel design, but I wish the VFO B knob had a bit more friction. Is there any recommended way of adding this? Should I just try to cut a felt pad and place it between the knob and the panel? Dick Lindzen, KA1SA 301 Lake Avenue Newton, MA 02461 USA

[Elecraft] K3 review

2008-11-25 Thread Gary Gregory
Hello, Well it makes no difference to me what the ARRL/QST magazine writes. At the end of the day my K3 outperforms all previous radios I have owned..yep, sold every last one of them with absolutely no regrets. It is nice to see that they have figured out the K3 IS the best around. Trouble is I

RE: [Elecraft] K3 Logic 8

2008-11-25 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Greg, I've tried to work with Dennis on this and he made an attempt but it did not fix the problem and he did not want to persue it further. I was pretty disappointed. I suspect Logic is another of those logging programs that send the mode before the frequency. I suppose I'll dig out a

Re: [Elecraft] Stiffening VFO B knob

2008-11-25 Thread Joe Planisky
Dick, There should already be a felt washer under the VFO B knob (at least, there is on mine.) To increase the friction, just use an allen wrench to loosen the two set screws and position the knob a little closer to the front panel. 73 -- Joe KB8AP On Nov 25, 2008, at 10:18 PM, Richard