[Elecraft] K3 NR and KIO3B INTERFACE

2017-07-14 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Could it be the AFX function is on? This adds a bit of delay between L and R. In using a pair of non-amplified external speakers connected to the rear SPKRS jack, I don't notice any objectionable echo when NR is engaged. The setting which I use for SSB is NRmF5--1. This is mixed

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR and KIO3B INTERFACE

2017-07-14 Thread Terry
My K3S has sounded like that since I bought it. 73 Terry N7BDL On 7/13/17 6:49 PM, Peter Pellack via Elecraft wrote: Last year we upgraded one of the K3's with the installation of the KIO3B interface kit. Shortly after we noticed that the NR sounded different. Like an "echo", even on the

[Elecraft] K3 NR and KIO3B INTERFACE

2017-07-13 Thread Peter Pellack via Elecraft
  Last year we upgraded one of the K3's with the installation of the KIO3B interface kit. Shortly after we noticed that the NR sounded different. Like an "echo", even on the least aggressive setting. The NR performance appeared to have significantly suffered. Coincidence with the KIO3B

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement - audio artifact

2013-09-07 Thread Frank Oppedijk
Hi, I also use NR on CW and agree it gives a nice reduction of background noise, but also notice a very annoying issue: Intermittently, there is a click in the headphones output signal. It happens whenever I have NR switched on (even on a mild setting, like F1-2). It most often occurs just

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-06 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
Yes, The NR needs improvement (at least on SSB) and the notch should be inside the AGC loop. It has been said so many times before. I know there are people who use the K3/IF - softrock/lp-pan - comuterSDR-software combo in same cases instead of the K3 SDR. H, The NB's (DSP and hardware)

[Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread Johnny Siu
if the offending carrier is desensing the AGC. TNX 73, Johnny VR2XMC 寄件人︰ eric manning emann...@cs.uvic.ca 收件人︰ elecraft@mailman.qth.net 傳送日期︰ 2013年09月5日 (週四) 12:33 PM 主題︰ [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement I'm a CW op, I'm baffled by the comments critical

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread N2TK, Tony
...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Johnny Siu Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 2:07 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement Hello Eric, As mentioned by other group members, this topic appears from time to time. I am the one

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread John Huffman
Eric - What NR settings are you using on CW? I can't get rid of the background white noise with the K3 NR like I can with my Orion NR. I wish I could! My K3 is never 'silent' with NR turned on. 73 de K1ESE John __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread drewko
John, I have adjusted my Rx EQ to attenuate the higher freqs. Also, I usually have the RF Gain and preamp set so that noise floor is just audible. My Preamp is almost always off. With AF Gain at 12 o'clock and RF Gain at 3 o'clock, engaging NR at the 1-2 setting is VERY quiet. (This probably

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread Roger de Valle
radio this is a major disappointment, I might be wrong but most of the software effort seems devoted to the KX3 so I am not expecting any change soon. 73 Roger VK3ADE. Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement Eric - What NR settings are you using on CW? I can't get rid of the background

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread Cady, Fred
] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 4:03 PM To: 'Elecraft List' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement I live in a high noise environment for 40 and 80m and find I can never get a useful result with the noise reduction on the K3, subsequently I never use it. I find that my other rigs

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-05 Thread Brian Alsop
: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement I live in a high noise environment for 40 and 80m and find I can never get a useful result with the noise reduction on the K3, subsequently I never use it. I find that my other rigs finish up far more comfortable to listen to on these frequencies where noise is prevalent

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-04 Thread Gary Gregory
Amazing stuff. Must be my ears but I have not found a case where the NR did not work as expected. Compared to an Icom I had here the only way I found it worked great was when in attenuated the weak signals so much they were not heard of again. But then again, nobody answered my calls either so I

[Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-04 Thread eric manning
I'm a CW op, I'm baffled by the comments critical of the K3 NR, APF and notch filter. The NR generally removes ALL random noise, meaning that the rcvr is silent in the absence of signals. Admittedly, It does get a little upset in the presence of many strong signals, so I usually turn it

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-04 Thread Gary Gregory
Eric You are correct from my experience over years of owning my k3 These comments arise from time to time and cause me to scratch my head and wonder why i am not hearing/seeing these issues too. Gary Vk1ZZ K3, KX3, KPA500-FT, KAT500-FT,P3. On 05/09/2013 2:34 PM, eric manning emann...@cs.uvic.ca

[Elecraft] K3 NR needs improvement

2013-09-03 Thread RLVZ
I agree with the posts that would like the K3 NR to be improved. I've used 3 different K3's at several different QTH's, using all of the available settings, and the NR seldom helped. That said, I've found the NR on some other radios to work very well, so it can be done. 73, Dick- K9OM

[Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Ken Lopez
Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661 back from Elecraft where all updates were installed. Running 4.51. I tried to use Noise Reduction, and when pushing the NR button, I get N/A. When holding the NR button, I get N/A. I don't find any NR menu items for NR. Is there some way

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
Ken, Were you in a Data mode? NR is not applicable for data modes. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2012 5:18 PM, Ken Lopez wrote: Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661 back from Elecraft where all updates were installed. Running 4.51. I tried to use Noise Reduction, and when pushing the

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Are you in data mode by chance? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 8/5/2012 5:18 PM, Ken Lopez wrote: Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661 back from Elecraft where all updates were installed. Running 4.51. I tried to use Noise Reduction, and when pushing the NR button, I get N/A.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Adrian
AGC off? -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Lopez Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 7:18 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661 back from

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Ken Lopez
Don, No, that's the first thing I checked. In USB on 20M. Ken On Aug 5, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Ken, Were you in a Data mode? NR is not applicable for data modes. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2012 5:18 PM, Ken Lopez wrote: Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem SOLVED

2012-08-05 Thread Ken Lopez
N6TZV On Aug 5, 2012, at 2:47 PM, Adrian wrote: AGC off? -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Lopez Sent: Monday, 6 August 2012 7:18 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Rob May
Make sure the AGC is turned on. Rob NV5E From: kjlo...@earthlink.net Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 14:18:16 -0700 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661 back from Elecraft where all

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Problem

2012-08-05 Thread Rick Prather
Are you in Data mode? If so, try it in USB or CW. Rick K6LE On 8/5/2012, at 2:18 , Ken Lopez kjlo...@earthlink.net wrote: Greetings, I have recently gotten my K3 # 661 back from Elecraft where all updates were installed. Running 4.51. I tried to use Noise Reduction, and when

[Elecraft] K3 NR and S-meter

2011-06-18 Thread 2Cents
Gentlemen, A friend of mine just finished building his K3 which is working well except for one anomoly: when he engages the NR, at any level, the S meter jumps to an s7-9 level. It isn't effecting the signal to noise ratio as signals now run in the S9 plus region--it is like it is shifting the

[Elecraft] K3. NR

2011-05-18 Thread Mike Rodgers
It's not in the manual but I've seen it suggested here that 1-x thru 4-x is for cw and 5-x and up for ssb. I used to use 5-1 or 2 but now liking 6-1 to 6-3 so if your using 1 or 2 on ssb, try 5 or 6. 73 Mike R Sent from my spy ring

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2011-05-17 Thread Bob DeHaney
I have a K3 S/N 906 and a new FTdx-5000D side by side, same antenna, same DSP filter bandwidth. The NR on the FTdx-5000D is significantly better IMHO. Easier to dial in (ergo metric) and much less harshness for lack of a better word. Once the FTdx-5000D NR is set up for band conditions, and

[Elecraft] K3 NR in the Tropics

2011-05-17 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
All, During the 9L5MS DXpedition (about one month ago) we used my K3 on 160m. Because of little available space we had no RX antennas, and we had to listen on the vertical antenna. The usual tropical QRN was there, about S8 - S9+15dB. The NB on my K3 is always on at a moderate setting doing

[Elecraft] K3 NR in deversity mode

2010-05-04 Thread Mike Scott
I know that independent Rx control of NR was added some time ago. It would be useful in Diversity mode if there was a way to adjust NR in both receivers simultaneously. Maybe I am in the minority here... Mike Scott - AE6WA Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA) NAQCC 3535 K3-100 #508 / KX1 #1311

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR in deversity mode

2010-05-04 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Dunno about minority. But that would be a useful option. I can see where someone might not want it on in diversity. On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Mike Scott m...@paxsen.com wrote: I know that independent Rx control of NR was added some time ago. It would be useful in Diversity mode if there

[Elecraft] [K3] NR in the new release

2009-11-23 Thread K9NZ
Great Job guys I would not use the NR before, now it works like it should. That was one of the only gripes about my beloved K3. The NR was not up to par, Two big thumbs up ! -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/NR-in-the-new-release-tp4055518p4055518.html Sent from the

[Elecraft] K3 NR praise and question

2009-10-12 Thread Arie Kleingeld PA3A
All, About the NR. YES, the new algorithms really work! I can even dig out the weak CW sigs better. Now my question. I use the first NR settings (1-1 to 4-4) in CW and the mixed ones for SSB. Switching mode from ssb to cw and back again means switching NR setting every time. I happen to switch

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR praise and question

2009-10-12 Thread Wayne Burdick
On my task list. 73, Wayne N6KR On Oct 12, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Arie Kleingeld PA3A wrote: All, About the NR. YES, the new algorithms really work! I can even dig out the weak CW sigs better. Now my question. I use the first NR settings (1-1 to 4-4) in CW and the mixed ones for SSB.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR info

2009-08-30 Thread David Cutter
Hector Thanks for taking the time to do those recordings for us. In a nutshell I would say that the noise reduction would greatly reduce my listening fatigue. In both ssb and cw the resulting audio is softened ie similar to reducing audio bandwidth. I prefer this effect to simply reducing IF

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-29 Thread David Woolley (E.L)
The main source of published research on real time noise reduction of audible signals seems to be the hearing aid industry. I just came across this article suggesting that hearing aid noise reduction strategies make people think that the noise is less sever, but don't actually make the signal

[Elecraft] K3 NR info

2009-08-29 Thread Hector Padron
Dear Jonathan,Robin,Ted,Art,David and Bud,the requested info about NR settings and MP3 files showing how well it works was sent to all of you. Gary I sent it to you as well but your address rfena...@gmail.com was corrupted,it was sent back to me,if you provide me with a pproper addy I will

[Elecraft] K3 NR settings

2009-08-29 Thread Hector Padron
Ok Jay yours was sent as well,73 AD4C The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. -- Albert Einstein __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-29 Thread Eric Swartz -WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Just to reiterate my earlier posting, the next beta release of the K3 mcu/dsp code will have -BOTH- NR methods available. (Those from 3.25 and 3.27. ) You really -can- have it your way. :-) You will be able to scan though the same 16 3.27 settings as now, followed by the set of 16 3.25 style

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-29 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
That is really very good reading, if highly technical. Helps to make a little index card with all the abbreviations used. One thing clearly suggested by the article is that immense efforts to tailor the K3 NR based upon complaints/praise, or measurable improvement of intelligibility, are, stated

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-29 Thread N2TK
- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:w3...@embarqmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:48 PM To: N2TK Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Tony, Did you mean NR when you stated NB? I find no audio reduction when turning on the NB unless I have the IF NB cranked up to maximum. I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-29 Thread Bob Cunnings
I'm running 3.27/2.25 on K3 #569, mostly CW. No EQ, default AGC settings. The NR is so improved (for CW at least) with this version that for the first time I'm tempted to actually use it!. Normally I simply reduce DSP BW to overcome noise when working the weaker CW signals, but like to use a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-29 Thread .k8dd.
Tony . Yeah, I couldn't have said it better about the NR as it is now - you nailed it. See what the next few DSP f/w's have! I had an IC 746 (not PRO) - the NR on it was great and it was just that - Noise Reduction, pure and simple. We took it to V47 about 6 years ago and it was

[Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-29 Thread The Smiths
Eric, No No no, I have been grossly misinterpreted. I never asked for a combination of 3.25 and 3.27. BOTH of these NR's are far from aggressive enough for my type of Noise floor and Narrow band CW work. Furthermore they take WAY too long to build the filters. What I was asking for was

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-29 Thread Eric Swartz -WA6HHQ, Elecraft
I may have misspoken. Re-reading my emails with Wayne and Lyle indicates the 'old' NR included in the next release (in addition to the current NR method) will be that of DSP 2.22, which I think is what you are referring to. :-) 73, Eric The Smiths wrote: Eric, No No no, I have been

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-29 Thread Brett Howard
Man that will be a lot of settings but after reading all the posts I'd had exactly the same idea but just didn't post it. Having a little down time here after kayaking back from the neighbors on the other side of the bay for lunch. Figured I'd look in and catch up. I'm anxiously awaiting the

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-28 Thread rfenabled
I too would like to see what settings are being used for NR as I seem to get a large decrease in Audio volume when NR is engaged. I hope those having success with the new NR can enlighten the rest of us...:-) Gary VK4WT/P Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-28 Thread Doug Turnbull
is a joy. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rfenab...@gmail.com Sent: 28 August 2009 09:38 To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR I too would like to see what settings are being

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-28 Thread .k8dd.
Joe Planisky wrote: Some times you can't satisfy all the people all the time with one road. Truer words were never spoken! I'm a full time CW operator (well, 99.9% CW, 0.1% digital modes.) I played with the pre-3.25 NR quite a bit and I was never able to find a setting that made a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-28 Thread N2TK
, 2009 1:17 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR I found the NR in v3.25 to be excellent to my ears and a big improvement to previous versions, but I'm having a lot of trouble finding a NR setting with v3.27 that I'm comfortable with -- everything sounds like it's coming

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-28 Thread Bill
I changed my audio equalizer from where it was and that makes a huge difference for me. I tried to remove some of the noise with the equalizer and that caused the sound to be very hollow. 73, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35; KX1 #35; K3 #1744; mini mods ATS-3B -Original Message- From:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-28 Thread John E. Reiser
28, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR Yeah, I agree with what you are saying. I like the NB on CW, but on SSB even at F1-1 it sounds somewhat like being in a tunnel. I would like to see a NB setting that is less aggressive and that doesn't change the audio as much. Also it would

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Tony, Did you mean NR when you stated NB? I find no audio reduction when turning on the NB unless I have the IF NB cranked up to maximum. I first thought the new NR was reducing the audio, but I found it was not so when one is tuned to a signal. The noise reduction is so effective that in my

[Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-28 Thread Wayne Adams
I agree with N6MQL, after working with 3.27 awhile now, 3.25 made CW better. I only have the 250Hz filter, and it doesn't do as well with NR as wide settings... and the wide filter setting makes the NR shine. It may even work better than 3.25 NR narrow overall, I don't know. My constant

[Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Craig
Hi Steve I also seem to get the impression that the selected NR setting is not exacty the same as the selected level within in the menu versus turning the DSP NR on and off without entering the menu, if that makes sense. What I am finding is that 2-4 when applied from within the menu,

[Elecraft] K3 NR in Ver 3.27

2009-08-27 Thread Barry Simpson
I have just installed 3.27 and the NR is a disaster. On turning it on there is virtually no AF output even at maximum AF gain setting. I have turned the K3 off and on but to no avail. Also there are big birdies on 40m (I haven't checked any other bands) which I am sure were not there before I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR in Ver 3.27

2009-08-27 Thread Ian Maude
Do you have any RX EQ on? Is this CW or SSB? What bandwidth are you operating at? Have you tried with AFX on and off? Plenty of audio here. 73 Ian On 27 Aug 2009, at 27August13:00, Barry Simpson wrote: I have just installed 3.27 and the NR is a disaster. On turning it on there is

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Lyle Johnson
I also seem to get the impression that the selected NR setting is not exacty the same as the selected level within in the menu versus turning the DSP NR on and off without entering the menu, if that makes sense. The NR is an adaptive filter. When you turn it off, it is completely

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR in Ver 3.27

2009-08-27 Thread Lyle Johnson
I have just installed 3.27 and the NR is a disaster. On turning it on there is virtually no AF output even at maximum AF gain setting. I have turned the K3 off and on but to no avail. Were you tuned to a signal at the time, or just band noise? If just noise, then the NR was doing its job.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Steve Ellington
: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering I also seem to get the impression that the selected NR setting is not exacty the same as the selected level within in the menu versus turning the DSP NR on and off without entering the menu, if that makes sense

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR in Ver 3.27

2009-08-27 Thread Van W1WCG
I operate a lot on CW nets, with the b/w set to 700Hz, no EQ, AFX on, and use the NR to increase the apparent S/N ratio, and also to soften the effect of band noise on the ears. Before v3.25, this was frustrating because the NR took appreciable time to build the filter, and appeared to do so

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Lyle Johnson
Thinks likeIf F1-1 doesn't work, do we go to F1-2 or F2-1 or should we skip a few F's. Depends on the noise, the signal, the levels and the nature of the artifacts of NR you best tolerate. F1-x builds sharper filters, while F4-x typically has more attenuation... Should we turn NR off

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR (what is the equiv to F3-1 from 3.25?)

2009-08-27 Thread Robin Diane Goldstein
hi... i'm one of the folks who is less happy with the 3.27 implementation of NR than the 3.25. i've been trying to do a 'scientific' comparison of the two, so i can record the audio and upload for others to hear/analyze (non trivial since band conditions and QSO's don't seem to last between

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR (what is the equiv to F3-1 from 3.25?)

2009-08-27 Thread Bill
I thought Lyle's email quoted below was very helpful: The way the new beta NR works is: Fx-y selects the length of the filter. F1 = 121 taps, F2 = 91 taps, F3 = 61 taps, F4 = 31 taps (The Beta 3.25 release used FIR filters of 61 taps.) y selects values of

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-27 Thread ka9zap
I loaded bata 3.27 yesterday have played with it on cw and ssb so far I like what I hear the NR is more to my liking adding the AFX is a nice touch to get the audio to pop out a bit. The bands are not the best here for me using a Hy Tower vertical as the only HF antenna I would say that 3.27

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
, August 26, 2009 4:23 PM To: Bob Cunnings Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR ...For now I'll treat the parameter as an opaque series of magic numbers. The way the new beta NR works is: Fx-y x selects the length of the filter. F1 = 121 taps, F2 = 91 taps, F3 = 61 taps, F4

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-27 Thread Lyle Johnson
Is the noise reduction more or less aggressive with a larger number of taps (length) of the filter? It is less aggressive with more taps. There is also a different coloring of the audio. 73, Lyle KK7P __ Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR (what is the equiv to F3-1 from 3.25?)

2009-08-27 Thread Robin Diane Goldstein
match the F3-1 configuration of 3.25 73 robin (K9RDG) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:18:54 -0500 From: Bill k9...@live.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR (what is the equiv to F3-1 from 3.25?) To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net I thought Lyle's email quoted below was very helpful: The way the new beta

[Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread The Smiths
It's become obvious to me that the most of the full time CW ops on the reflector were very happy with the fast responding, instant changing, very aggressive filters on the Pre 3.25 NR. So long as you didn't choose a filter that was too aggressive for your needs, I never found that I cut

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Bill W5WVO
FWIW, I strongly agree with N6MQL's suggestion. Bill W5WVO The Smiths (N6MQL) wrote: Instead of trying to find a single NR DSP that would satisfy both groups, which seems near impossible to do. Wouldn't it be best to implement some way to have the OLD NR on CW mode, and then perhaps

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Joe Planisky
Some times you can't satisfy all the people all the time with one road. Truer words were never spoken! I'm a full time CW operator (well, 99.9% CW, 0.1% digital modes.) I played with the pre-3.25 NR quite a bit and I was never able to find a setting that made a CW signal easier to copy,

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR - Audio Artifact on Button Press F1-x (Beta 3.27)

2009-08-27 Thread Robin Diane Goldstein
ok... this is something that other folks can absolutely test (grin) i have audio feedback (button beeps) turned on in my K3 and i've been playing with the 3.25 and 3.27 beta's i just noticed that with 3.27 that when i either 'turn on' or 'turn off' (momentary press) or long-press the NR button

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread ka9zap
I would like to still see some kind of APF filter to peak up weak cw, I'm still always looking for more volume or gain against the noise floor. For me its hard to compare something from a couple of months ago to what I have now in firmware but for the impressions or notes taken back with other

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR triggering

2009-08-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Joe and all, As I understand the changes, in the pre-3.27 NR situation, there were audio peaks in the response envelope - so it worked very well (similar to an APF) for some who used a CW pitch near the peaks, but there were others who used other sidetone pitches and they were not happy with

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Ian Maude
sideways with respect to my tastes - it would take something truly major to have me upgrade FW in K3 again. Others may feel the progression is going in their direction - that's a problem with a product that comes so close to doing everything perfectly for everyone. [Elecraft] K3 NR

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Craig
Hi Ian I have to agree. I have just finished listening on my sunset on 75 meters digging out the Ecuador Time station on 3810 through a storm front. The NR is very impressive on weak signals buried in static crashes. I have also just listened to weak aeronautical traffic control

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Deni
I have never been too fond of DSP NR in any rig but this latest from Elecraft really is impressive. NR is absolutely amazing on CW and very very good on SSB. If you have any doubts just try it. Listen to CW in a wider bandwidth than you would normally (just to try it), Say 1kHz, then engage a

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Andy
something truly major to have me upgrade FW in K3 again. Others may feel the progression is going in their direction - that's a problem with a product that comes so close to doing everything perfectly for everyone. [Elecraft] K3 NR rfenabled at gmail.com rfenabled at gmail.com Tue Aug 25

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Brett Howard
Agreed setting the BW a bit wider than needed helps the filter out it seems but even at very narrow widths it does help. I was just operating in CW a lil bit ago and a station ended its QSO dit dit and then the rig went silent. I turned up the volume a bit and man there was nothing... Oh yea

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread rfenabled
Well, I tried again with RX Eq set flat and the NR functions as I always imagined it should. I will spend more time trying each setting and see if I can find a setting that works well. At this point it would appear as though my RX EQ settings were not compatible with the NR as I had it

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Brett Howard
Agreed! Mine were setup for CW (and they were setup for the excitement that was actually having low frequency in 3.24!!!) Can't wait for that to come back! ~Brett On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:13 AM, rfenab...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I tried again with RX Eq set flat and the NR functions as I

[Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Lee Trout
Many radios have dual mode NR, one for SSB and one for CW, etc. I wonder if this is possible with the K3? Lee, K9CM __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
Lee, I thought that was what the 16 possible NR settings were for - I find that F1-x and F2-x are the best for SSB and while that also works for CW, the F3-x and F4-x settings are more aggressive but are also effective for CW. Your ears may be different than mine, but that is what I hear.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread drewko
Lyle, Your post below indicating how the F3 NR settings have been re-ordered in the new f/w reminds me of something I brought up earlier: When NR ADJ is on, the VFO-A knob has no function. Could I suggest that it be used to step through the NR settings in this sequence: F1-1, F2-1, F3-1, F4-1

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Hector Padron
...@gb7mbc.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 8:05 AM Sorry guys but I have to disagree.  Finally the noise reduction is  usable for SSB :)  Absolutely brilliant!  Thanks guys. I wonder if those who are having problems are running any RX EQ?  I

[Elecraft] K3 NR and RX EQ

2009-08-26 Thread Alexandr Kobranov
Can everybody reporting about NR excellent/non-excellent functionality add some info about his/her RX EQ settings and BW used? I suppose there are big confusions in reports based on different settings. Maybe - later, later, not now :-) - can be some RX EQ forced in NR mode to avoid problems

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Christensen
About the low end roll-off on version 3.25 was at 30 Hz,now with 3.27 is at 60Hz,who needs to hear that low? besides do your speaker respond to 30Hz,besides does anyone on ESSB respond that low? so 60 Hz is ok with me.73 to all The low frequency issue reported here is primarily related to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread d.cutter
That's really interesting Paul. Were you also using very narrow passband and other rx eq filtering? Was he sending QRS? David G3UNA The low frequency issue reported here is primarily related to CW, not SSB. As an example of its importance, I worked a 4S7 station last night on 40m. As

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Christensen
That's really interesting Paul. Were you also using very narrow passband and other rx eq filtering? Was he sending QRS? I started with a wide passband, then shifted to a narrow passband with Dual PB enabled. That has worked well for me in the past. I then went back to the 2.8K filter

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR and RX EQ

2009-08-26 Thread James Sarte
Hello Lexa, Seems like a legitimate question. Prior to 3.25, NR settings and its ability to reduce noise were greatly affected by EQ settings. For example, boosting midrange frequencies to enhance voice audio caused the NR algorithm to produce very hollow sounding voices; as if listening to

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Hi Gary, Please remember that this is a -beta test- release and not a formal final K3 f/w release. The purpose of any beta test release is to test new features and gather constructive feedback. It is not something you should be using to form a final judgment or complain loudly about, sine we

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Brett Howard
is ok with me.73 to all AD4C The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.. -- Albert Einstein --- On Wed, 8/26/09, Ian Maude i...@gb7mbc.net wrote: From: Ian Maude i...@gb7mbc.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Wednesday

[Elecraft] K3 NR adjustment

2009-08-26 Thread Ron Spencer
I'll also send this directly to Elecraft. What I'd like to have is the ability to adjust through the various NR settings without having to hold in the NR button then scroll through the settings. Would it be possible to have a menu selectable choice so that if RIT/ XIT is not being used (either

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Paul - WW2PT
I found the NR in v3.25 to be excellent to my ears and a big improvement to previous versions, but I'm having a lot of trouble finding a NR setting with v3.27 that I'm comfortable with -- everything sounds like it's coming through a tunnel, even the x-1 settings. I generally prefer minimal DPS

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Brett Howard
Make sure and try it with AFX on and off. On 8/26/09, Paul - WW2PT ww...@arrl.net wrote: I found the NR in v3.25 to be excellent to my ears and a big improvement to previous versions, but I'm having a lot of trouble finding a NR setting with v3.27 that I'm comfortable with -- everything

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Bill W4ZV
P.B. Christensen wrote: With the 2.8K filter and using F/W 3.25, by far the best copy was obtained with a very low pitch setting. The ultra-low pitch is lost with the narrower roofing filters (as expected). If he was working split only 1-2 kHz up, then the story may have been

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Brett Howard
Elecraft says they are planning on bringing that low end audio back as a feature rather than as a bug. I'm very glad it was there as a bug and hope that this response of people liking it helps to improve its position on the priority queue. BTH. On 8/26/09, Laurent F6DEX f6...@yahoo.fr wrote: I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Paul - WW2PT
Did that, Brett - should have mentioned it in my last post. The tunnel effect that I'm hearing is actually less objectionable with the AFX on. Paul WW2PT Brett Howard wrote: Make sure and try it with AFX on and off. -- View this message in context:

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Bob Cunnings
Is it still the case that the interpretation of the NR parameters is as described in the K3 manual (D4)? The manual states: The second part (-y) controls how much of the signal is routed through noise reduction, from 1 (50%) to 4 (100%) If so I'm confused by the identities: The 3.27 NR F3-1

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Lyle Johnson
Is it still the case that the interpretation of the NR parameters is as described in the K3 manual (D4)? Not with the latest beta release. The manual states: The second part (-y) controls how much of the signal is routed through noise reduction, from 1 (50%) to 4 (100%) If so I'm

Re: [Elecraft] K3 NR

2009-08-26 Thread Bob Cunnings
Sure, I know what to do in practice, and I'm not looking for a one size fits all solution. However, it's nice to know if the behavior is no longer in accordance with the documentation, this was not mentioned in the change notes. For now I'll treat the parameter as an opaque series of magic

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