Re: [Emc-developers] future plannig was: LinuxCNC (EMC2) with RCS

2012-08-10 Thread Matt Shaver
Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote recently: - is it time to think about, and start a future LinuxCNC version which - for the sake of an upside - breaks with some old habits and components - is it a good idea to link this 'cut' with an effort to address licensing issues I'd like to

Re: [Emc-developers] [Emc-users] motion.motion-enabled?

2012-08-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 05:00:23 + Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote: actually this should have gone in 2.5 (even 2.4 ? not sure about that) the pin is wrong there too - but it is an pin that follows machine on. I do this wrong all the time, but what's been explained to me is: 1.

[Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-11 Thread Matt Shaver
Does anyone have a copy of the last version of EMC (now Linuxcnc) released entirely in the public domain? If so, I'd like to have a copy for the purpose of studying the licensing issues that were brought up in the let's rewrite this thing! thread. If not, does anyone with a better memory than me

Re: [Emc-developers] [Emc-users] motion.motion-enabled?

2012-08-11 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:38:23 + Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote: What happens is the old branch is merged up in to the newer branches. This way all the branches get the bug fix. OK, this makes a lot of sense. Of course, I had it totally backwards :) Do you trial push with

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-11 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:07:38 -0400 Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: Does anyone have a copy of the last version of EMC (now Linuxcnc) released entirely in the public domain? Maybe I've answered my own question, but I located this: ftp://ftp.isd.mel.nist.gov/pub/emc/emcsoft/ There's

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-11 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:45:38 -0400 Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: There's no more cvs.linuxcnc.org, but the log at git.linuxcnc starts with: John Kasunich [Sat, 11 Oct 2003 17:30:53 -0400 (21:30 +)] Initial revision I'll go research it myself, but if anyone knows how

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-11 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 13:44:19 -0400 Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: The emc-1.1-17.src.tgz file in that directory is the same one I find I archived on my NAS. Most of the files in that tarball bear no statement of license or copyright. One can hope they are covered by the

Re: [Emc-developers] modbus discussion was: future plannig

2012-08-13 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:14 -0400 EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: a restart takes an hour or more after shutdown? Out of curiosity, what machine might that be, and why so long? A web type printing press like the ones used to make newspapers. It can take quite a while to get the paper to run

Re: [Emc-developers] Machine Coordination --- Here's a general history of the NIST AMRF

2012-08-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:24:57 -0400 Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: On 8/15/2012 1:25 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: After a quick look it really seems to be well written. Except that I was hoping also for at least some pieces of code that makes that stuff to work. Do You have any

Re: [Emc-developers] Machine Coordination --- Here's a general history of the NIST AMRF

2012-08-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:09:57 -0400 Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: Keep in mind that he probably has to do the same digging as anyone else since you wouldn't be asking about his own code. I haven't talked to him in several years, mainly because I don't want to bug him. I'm glad to

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-22 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 01:40:06 +0300 Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: Last emc1 version was 1.2.0-rc1 iirc, you can still find the CVS tree for emc1 here: http://emc.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/emc/emc/ Thanks Alex! I've been doing some research into copyright law to determine if Michael

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-22 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 13:32:22 -0400 Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: Am I correct that an undivided interest means that any of the joint authors can license the work to others without the permission of the other authors? Yes. From the reading I did, I believe that the author

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-08-24 Thread Matt Shaver
If anyone wants to rebut, dispute, or otherwise challenge my analysis or conclusions about the copyright status of Linuxcnc, it would be great if you could do so some time in the next two weeks or so. If you need more time to compose your arguments, just post a short e-mail to the list saying so!

Re: [Emc-developers] The Last Public Domain Version

2012-09-03 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:01:39 -0400 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: If a company or individual does not follow the existing licensing, how will the licensing be enforced? It would be up to the copyright holder (which is going to be the author(s)) to hire a lawyer and sue to enforce their rights.

Re: [Emc-developers] gscreen merged to master

2013-02-06 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 6 Feb 2013 14:38:37 -0500 Tom Easterday tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: So you are saying I shouldn't use the rip script? Why wouldn't run in place work? -Tom Do this: 1. Remove all linuxcnc* and emc2* packages. 2. Add these two APT source lines to your repository list: deb

Re: [Emc-developers] xenomai raspberrypi

2013-02-08 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 22:48:49 -0500 Tom Easterday tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: Michael, I recall seeing a message from you a while back saying you had given up on raspberry pi (I'm paraphrasing) but I can't seem to locate that in my mail at the moment. I was curious why it was you abandoned it? Was

[Emc-developers] Raspberry Pi Kernel Compile Question

2013-02-11 Thread Matt Shaver
What cross compiler did you folks use? Was it the 'official' one at http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads or did you make your own using ct-ng, or something else? Thanks, Matt -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy

[Emc-developers] Has anyone written a GPIO HAL component for the Raspberry Pi?

2013-02-20 Thread Matt Shaver
I ask, because it would be easier for me if someone had already done this, rather than me having to do the actual work :) Anyone got one of these? I figure it should be called hal_rpiport... Thanks, Matt -- Everyone

[Emc-developers] Motherboard Suggestions Needed

2013-02-21 Thread Matt Shaver
Can anyone recommend a motherboard that will run the standard 10.04 CD install of linuxcnc? Latency-test results need to be respectable, but software stepping ability is not a requirement. 1. This must be a motherboard I can buy today, new, with at least one standard PCI slot. 2. Graphics can be

Re: [Emc-developers] Motherboard Suggestions Needed

2013-02-24 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:57:07 +0400 Alexey Starikovskiy aysta...@gmail.com wrote: Celeron G550 2-core, 2.6GHz. ASUS P8H61-M LX2 R2.0 mATX 2x2Gb RAM DDR3 PC3-10600 -- no swap in BIOS turn off C1e, C3 and C6 no isolcpus=1 shows 5600 max jitter with isolcpus=1 -- 2400. Thank You! I have a

Re: [Emc-developers] Motherboard Suggestions Needed

2013-02-26 Thread Matt Shaver
, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:22 PM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 09:57:07 +0400 Alexey Starikovskiy aysta...@gmail.com wrote: Celeron G550 2-core, 2.6GHz. ASUS P8H61-M LX2 R2.0 mATX 2x2Gb RAM DDR3 PC3-10600 -- no swap in BIOS turn off C1e, C3 and C6

Re: [Emc-developers] Unifying error message reporting in LinuxCNC

2013-02-26 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:19:53 +0100 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: I think we should have the option to log everything, and through a singel channel; I don't usually comment on this kind of stuff, because I don't know that much about it. Nevertheless, at the risk of exposing my

Re: [Emc-developers] Motherboard Suggestions Needed

2013-02-27 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 10:11:10 +0400 Alexey Starikovskiy aysta...@gmail.com wrote: Linux f1200 2.6.32-122-rtai #rtai SMP Tue Jul 27 12:44:07 CDT 2010 i686 GNU/Linux -- it's the standard kernel from Live CD. Ordering one today! I wonder what's going on with these things... Thanks! Matt

[Emc-developers] hostmot2-firmware build problem

2013-02-27 Thread Matt Shaver
1. I checked out hostmot2-firmware to try out the build. 2. I have ISE 10.1 Serice Pack 3 installed at /opt/Xilinx/. 3. I run 'make' and get quite a ways (an hour+), some bitfiles even built, and then it stops with: ./pin.py SV24_144 x20_1000 fw/3x20-1/SV24.PIN.tmp # tempdir /tmp/hm2fQc9g4 #

Re: [Emc-developers] hostmot2-firmware build problem

2013-02-27 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 20:10:00 -0700 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: On 02/27/2013 07:25 PM, Matt Shaver wrote: What am I doing wrong? The 3x20 uses an FPGA that's too fancy for version 10 of ISE, you need version 13 or better. OK, I also have 14.4 installed in /opt/Xilinx. I

Re: [Emc-developers] hostmot2-firmware build problem

2013-02-27 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 21:07:06 -0800 (PST) Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com wrote: It should be noted that while ISE versions 9 and 10 may build Spartan 3 bitfiles, there is a fair chance that they will not work, so its best to use the lastest for Spartan 3 and I'm going to get through the

Re: [Emc-developers] hostmot2-firmware build problem

2013-02-28 Thread Matt Shaver
concurrent SMTP connections; please try again later And now, on with the show... On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:33:29 + David Armstrong dave...@outlook.com wrote: On 28/02/13 02:25, Matt Shaver wrote: What am I doing wrong? Matt, which

[Emc-developers] 2.5.2?

2013-03-04 Thread Matt Shaver
A fellow on -users said 2.5.2 was released without any announcement on the lists. Whoever did the release: Check your e-mail for a bounced e-mail to the lists. I've been having problems sending mail to -developers lately, so maybe your announcement got bounced back to you! Thanks, Matt

Re: [Emc-developers] 2.5.2?

2013-03-04 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 10:35:21 -0700 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: On 3/4/13 09:48 , Matt Shaver wrote: A fellow on -users said 2.5.2 was released without any announcement on the lists. The announcement went out this morning: http://article.gmane.org

Re: [Emc-developers] Input Devices

2013-03-04 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 16:14:12 + andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: Is there scope for a HAL-to-keysccan userspace cmponent, is this even possible? 1. The HAL component would accept so-many row bits and so-many column bits as address inputs to a character ROM. 2. The ROM would be so-many

Re: [Emc-developers] Where does HAL persistence belong?

2013-03-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 17:06:32 + andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 March 2013 16:32, Daniel Rogge dro...@tormach.com wrote: A simple example: The hal gearchange component allows people to select different scales for speed commands. Without persistence the gearchange.sel pin

Re: [Emc-developers] Where does HAL persistence belong?

2013-03-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 14:06:14 -0500 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Now, separate item, but same subject, the .var and .txt files. If you will send me your .ini, and any .hal files (and .xml files if using pyvcp) that you are using for your setup, I'll take a look at these issues. Thanks,

Re: [Emc-developers] Where does HAL persistence belong?

2013-03-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 7 Mar 2013 12:16:39 -0600 Daniel Rogge dro...@tormach.com wrote: Redis seems like the winner to me, but I didn't perceive a groundswell of support for redis the last time it came up on the list. Sometimes people express their support of an idea simply by not complaining about it.

Re: [Emc-developers] Where does HAL persistence belong? (was: re: GladeVCP Persistence On_Destroy sensitivity on -users)

2013-03-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 00:18:07 +0100 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: An extremely valuable non-technical contribution to this whole effort would be to tackle the licensing issue with an angle to results in a realistic timeframe, and I would really appreciate if somebody else could

Re: [Emc-developers] Where does HAL persistence belong? (was: re: GladeVCP Persistence On_Destroy sensitivity on -users)

2013-03-08 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:39:25 +0100 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: Am 08.03.2013 um 04:06 schrieb Matt Shaver: 4. According to this page: http://www.zeromq.org/area:licensing they say: *** Static linking exception

Re: [Emc-developers] Licensing

2013-03-08 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 11:59:44 + andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: As a first step, what should I license my files as? This is very good of you to offer! In my own opinion, the two rational choices are: 1. GPL Version 2 OR LATER 2. Public Domain These provide maximum flexibility, and the

Re: [Emc-developers] Feasibility of license change to GPLv2+

2013-03-08 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 8 Mar 2013 17:30:52 -0600 Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: I guess I am wondering which set of assumptions is more likely to be correct, and I'm looking for evidence about that. I'll go out on a limb here and say that only Paul is likely to be unwilling. I base this belief on my

[Emc-developers] License Compatibility Question

2013-03-08 Thread Matt Shaver
contribute them back upstream under the terms of your LGPLv3 licensing. So, are we allowed to use zeromq in this way? Thanks, Matt Shaver -- Symantec Endpoint Protection 12 positioned as A LEADER in The Forrester Wave(TM

Re: [Emc-developers] License Compatibility Question

2013-03-09 Thread Matt Shaver
The Official Response: On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: I have asked the ZeroMQ steward, Pieter Hintjens, wrt to compatibility of a GPL2only project and ZMQ, and his answer was a straight

Re: [Emc-developers] License Compatibility Question

2013-03-09 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:06:28 +0100 Pieter Hintjens p...@imatix.com wrote: I vaguely remember the question, it was from Michael Haberler on IRC, but I seem to remember there was more to it than just calling the library, and I don't have the IRC logs to check. To be clear: you can use libzmq

Re: [Emc-developers] Feasibility of license change to GPLv2+

2013-03-09 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 01:19:31 -0500 John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: If at any point a chunk of code was public domain, it seems to me that the authors as of that point in time gave up all rights to it, including the right to object to re-licensing. I would say we only need to

Re: [Emc-developers] License Compatibility Question

2013-03-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 23:25:39 -0600 John Morris j...@zultron.com wrote: Pieter's not right about this. LCNC is GPLv2 ONLY, and libzmq is LPGLv3. This compatibility matrix shows the combo is invalid: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#AllCompatibility The trouble is that the

Re: [Emc-developers] License Compatibility Question

2013-03-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 08:01:24 -0600 EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: Looks like we need to email EFF or GNU for a determination. Matt what you say is that 0MQ allows linking to anything, but GPLv2 requires that anything linked must then convey GPLv2, then GPL is the problem and LCNC cannot use 0MQ

Re: [Emc-developers] License question - code piece for HAL

2013-03-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 22:17:32 +0100 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: I have identified a small piece of code which could take on an important function in HAL/RTAPI. If it were integrated, it would become part of the HAL API. That code is currently GPL2only. The author has

Re: [Emc-developers] License Compatibility Question

2013-03-12 Thread Matt Shaver
P.S. We are bound by the warranty, anti-tivoization, patent, and other terms of the (L)GPLv3 if we use 0MQ. Wait! Stop right here! I wrote the above quoted text, as an afterthought to a post I made earlier in this thread. Now that I consider it again, this may not be the case. Since the

Re: [Emc-developers] Implementation of LCNC Copyright and licensing terms

2013-03-13 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 08:56:47 -0400 Kent A. Reed kentallanr...@gmail.com wrote: I know the history of the development of LCNC. I don't want to rehash why things are the way they are now. I just want to see them get better as we move forward. I was just fixing to spend a lot of time trying to

[Emc-developers] hostmot2 over spi

2013-03-16 Thread Matt Shaver
If I spend one more minute thinking or writing about copyright and licensing issues I'm going to give myself a brain tumor, so I'd like to do something useful for a change :) GP Orcullo has got a project (PICnc) where he attaches a PIC32 auxiliary processor to linuxcnc on a Raspberry Pi through

Re: [Emc-developers] hostmot2 over spi

2013-03-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 14:38:33 -0600 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: Is anyone else working on hostmot2 over spi? If not, does anyone have any advise or pointers on how to go about this? My best guess is to look at the difference between

Re: [Emc-developers] hostmot2 over spi

2013-03-16 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 16:29:10 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I think the best way would be to make the PRU do the SPI or some other serial protocol. The Pi also has a PRU, right? AFAIK, the PRU is TI only. The RPi has SPI hardware, but looking at the PICnc code it seems that

Re: [Emc-developers] Motherboard Suggestions Needed

2013-03-30 Thread Matt Shaver
This is a somewhat old thread, but I thought I'd finish it by telling you what was actually wrong :) If you are trying to boot over a SATA interface, and you get errors like: ALERT! /dev/disks/by-uuid/a-big-hex-number-string does not exist. Dropping to a shell. Go into the BIOS settings and

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC week at MPM/SFI

2013-04-02 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 2 Apr 2013 20:01:52 -0500 Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Just a reminder about the week of June 17th. Give me an idea if you think you may come to Wichita that weekend. It would be nice to have an idea of how many could be here. I will set up for however many wish to be

[Emc-developers] Fw: SourceForge project upgrades start April 22

2013-04-05 Thread Matt Shaver
Will this cause us any problems? Everything I read about this is long on announcement and short on details I can use. :) Thanks, Matt Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 18:38:07 + From: SourceForge.net Team nore...@sourceforge.net To: m...@mattshaver.com Subject: SourceForge

Re: [Emc-developers] The arm excrement has I believe, intersected with the air mover

2013-05-05 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 05 May 2013 14:47:33 -0700 dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: I've heard another version of the above quote. May you live in interesting times. That could be either a curse or a blessing. ;-) May you live in interesting times, May you come to the attention of those in authority, and May

[Emc-developers] Lucid Lynx Support Ends Today

2013-05-09 Thread Matt Shaver
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-March/000169.html Nothing spectacular will happen today, but I thought the occasion deserved mention. Since 10.04 Server has two more years left for official support, I wonder if there is a way to make the update mechanism think we are all

Re: [Emc-developers] Wear Offsets (was lathe-style tool patch)

2013-05-17 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 17 May 2013 08:50:36 +0200 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: If anybody wonders about the above: I am super-pissed about the utterly unprofessional behavior of the past board on the issue. For a background on how the board was created, see:

Re: [Emc-developers] Rockhopper revisited

2013-06-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 19:02:42 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: On Thursday 06 June 2013 18:55:24 EBo did opine: rockhopper? Yeah EBo, it draws logic diagrams of what you have wired up in your .hal files. The really funny thing about this is that the hal file visualization

Re: [Emc-developers] HAL web visualisation (was: Rockhopper)

2013-06-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:08:00 +0200 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: If somebody wants to build on this, I would be happy to cooperate - I do lack the Javascript skills to build something meaningful beyond the 'hello world' level, and it isnt my main focus either. Peter Jensen will be

Re: [Emc-developers] Rockhopper revisited

2013-06-08 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 7 Jun 2013 21:49:19 -0400 Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That would be something that I had cobbled up, but then bypassed, with the net input probably still hooked up, so 2 or 3 modules are there, and are being fed data, but the output isn't being used anymore. That sort of

Re: [Emc-developers] Licensing

2013-06-08 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 08 Jun 2013 12:45:37 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Matt Shaver wrote: MH wrote me recently to ask if I had fixed the licensing problem yet... ಠ_ಠ ... Michael actually asked if you'd FIXED the licensing issue? That can't be true. Well, maybe he didn't exactly say

Re: [Emc-developers] Licensing

2013-06-09 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:28:28 + Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote: And I don't think having a relatively closed door discussion about these broad questions should be done in Wichita. Whichta would be great for figuring out the details of HOW we will do what we have decided. I

Re: [Emc-developers] Licensing

2013-06-09 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 20:01:45 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: David Bagby wrote: These same source files also contain comments that claim the contents of the file are licensed under a GPL license. Counsel tells me those comments are at best wishful thinking. For better or

Re: [Emc-developers] Licensing Questionaire

2013-06-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 09 Jun 2013 10:13:00 -0400 Kenneth Lerman kenneth.ler...@se-ltd.com wrote: 3 -- So you believe that LinuxCNC should be actively promoted or that it should be left alone to exist in peace? I don't think it needs TV commercials or anything like that :) I think if a company sold machine

Re: [Emc-developers] LinuxCNC as a Brand (Was Re: Licensing Questionaire)

2013-06-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 17:54:26 +0100 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: The basic image is standard LinuxCNC, he just changed a caption. I don't know if anyone claims ownership of the chips logo. IIRC, Chips our mascot, and cousin to Tux ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux ) was created by Rab

[Emc-developers] Radical Ideas

2013-06-10 Thread Matt Shaver
0. I really want all this copyright/licensing stuff resolved, then buried so deep I never have to see it again. 1. I also want it resolved in a way that maximally protects what we have with minimum effort on our part, especially with almost no effort on my part :) The solution must also age well,

Re: [Emc-developers] Radical Ideas

2013-06-11 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:45:23 +0800 Paul Kelly t...@caswa.com wrote: 2.A Could you not just make (and document) every effort to contact the existing authors with an If you object to this new licensing arrangement (which is fundamentally a holier than thou, close to public domain approach) then

[Emc-developers] Poll Question for the List (1)

2013-06-11 Thread Matt Shaver
In another thread: On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 09:53:11 -0400 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com wrote: I suspect that LinuxCNC code has already been stolen, we just aren't entirely aware of it. There are some closed source embedded CNC systems out there that have stated that they have some NIST code in

Re: [Emc-developers] Radical Ideas

2013-06-12 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 16:27:24 +0200 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: The question I would have is: how relevant is that comparison - and the case you cite - anywhere relevant to 'inhibiting use of LinuxCNC'? I think Dave's point was that we've only experienced one brush with the law

Re: [Emc-developers] Something else to possibly play with in Wichita.

2013-06-13 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 00:16:42 +0100 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/sVUHBjKMHtNWN3LdpZOEj9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/G_KMzBhurtN_xhzhEnrLydMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink What's the IC? I can't

[Emc-developers] Finally, A Proposal

2013-06-14 Thread Matt Shaver
Over the last few days I've been writing stuff here and reading other people's stuff. I've been rolling all this stuff around in my mind with the intention of figuring out what solution I would propose for the copyright/licensing issue, and what sort of plan I could make for things to do at the

Re: [Emc-developers] Radical Ideas

2013-06-14 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 00:44:57 -0400 Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: I HAVE TO GET UP EARLY, SO I'LL CONTINUE THIS TOMORROW WITH DETAILS ON HOW I THINK WE SHOULD HANDLE THE MORE SERIOUS THREAT DESCRIBED IN #2A ABOVE. ALSO, I WILL PREDICT THE FUTURE. So, this is where I left off the other

Re: [Emc-developers] Finally, A Proposal

2013-06-14 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:40:06 -0600 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: We have this (slightly out of date, and doesn't cover all the info Matt listed): http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/code/Code_Notes.html#_architecture_overview This, but at multiple complexity levels. We need

Re: [Emc-developers] Finally, A Proposal

2013-06-14 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 10:12:58 -0500 Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: I took a quick look around, and I couldn't find anything that looked like EMC source, but it might be there in a compressed file. I've been rooting around for a couple3 hours and have the start of a small pile, all

Re: [Emc-developers] Finally, A Proposal

2013-06-14 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:10:21 -0400 Eric Keller eekel...@psu.edu wrote: tl;dr, all of it anyway. Brevity: Not my strong suit. Didn't you put together a list of files with non-conforming licenses recently? That might have been Michael Haberler. I think I remember the e-mail you're talking

Re: [Emc-developers] Vote Seb for 2.6 Release Manager!

2013-06-25 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:16:23 -0600 EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: I just hope the processes does not burn you to a crisp. This is a worry, but Seb seems to handle stress in a healthy way so I think he'll be OK. One of the few things I would like to see kept in and taken seriously is

Re: [Emc-developers] recovery of ancient EMC1 source

2013-06-25 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 00:57:50 -0500 TJoseph Powderly tjt...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/25/2013 12:08 AM, Jon Elson wrote: So, now the question is, what do I do with them? maybe you matt can compare notes I've got a bunch of historical stuff and so does Jon, and probably others do as well.

Re: [Emc-developers] recovery of ancient EMC1 source

2013-06-26 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 04:44:52 -0600 EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: out of curiosity, why has Ray's name come up? Is he one of the people who will not consider relicensing so we can get it straight? I thought the only real problem child was Paul. I think it's just plain curiosity. I'm sure Ray

Re: [Emc-developers] recovery of ancient EMC1 source

2013-06-26 Thread Matt Shaver
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:16:51 -0500 John Morris j...@zultron.com wrote: On 06/26/2013 01:12 PM, John Morris wrote: Sounds like these are the git repos to go with. This is really good! Anything that is a pull from Sourceforge is covered by this. I guess the only source I need to look at

Re: [Emc-developers] Meeting on IRC - OOPS

2013-06-29 Thread Matt Shaver
Jun 2013 09:01:00 -0400 Matt Shaver m...@mattshaver.com wrote: I hope we announced this sufficiently in advance, but there's a meeting on IRC now (Saturday the 29th of June, 2013 - 4:00pmGMT/9:00amEST). Come help us argue! :) Thanks, Matt

[Emc-developers] Meeting on IRC - NOW!!!

2013-06-29 Thread Matt Shaver
I hope we announced this sufficiently in advance, but there's a meeting on IRC now (Saturday the 29th of June, 2013 - 4:00pmGMT/9:00amEST). Come help us argue! :) Thanks, Matt -- This SF.net email is sponsored by

Re: [Emc-developers] git.linuxcnc.org vs github vs. agile development

2013-06-29 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:34:43 -0500 Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net wrote: IMHO, there really needs to be a Sid branch of LinuxCNC that is GUARANTEED to break your machine and kill the machine operator (anyone in the field actually using this on real equipment deserves what they

Re: [Emc-developers] git.linuxcnc.org vs github vs. agile development

2013-06-30 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:15:54 -0500 Charles Steinkuehler char...@steinkuehler.net wrote: So what do I think needs to change? Well, let's start with what exists now, which I see as: Tier 1) Anointed LinuxCNC developers with push access to git.linuxcnc.org. ... Tier 2) People who have

Re: [Emc-developers] Advice Needed on Wiki File Hosting

2013-07-01 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 25 Jun 2013 16:36:25 +0300 Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: 1. pages can be renamed, deleted or whatnot. for that you need wiki admin access (I think the board and a couple more people have that access). 2. regarding upload: - we can do one-off's quite easily, just mail me or

Re: [Emc-developers] git.linuxcnc.org vs github vs. agile development

2013-07-01 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sun, 30 Jun 2013 13:15:55 -0400 Ian McMahon imcma...@prototechnical.com wrote: however it shakes out, there needs to be some clear direction on the best practices for managing development on branches and forks, how pull requests and merges should be done, who can and will review and merge

Re: [Emc-developers] toolstore discussion notes: Andy/mhaberler

2013-07-01 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 22:09:21 +0200 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: Am 01.07.2013 um 16:20 schrieb EBo e...@sandien.com: hat raises a question though how deeply you want Python to get into LinuxCNC. No, it does not; a key/value pair-based API does not imply any language. You

Re: [Emc-developers] toolstore discussion notes:

2013-07-01 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013 13:22:17 +0100 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 July 2013 13:17, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Will the toolID be alphanumeric or any other symbology? Yes :-) You would want to avoid employing: http://xkcd.com/327/ Some real world applications:

Re: [Emc-developers] git.linuxcnc.org vs github vs. agile development

2013-07-03 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 2 Jul 2013 16:32:34 -0400 Ian McMahon imcma...@prototechnical.com wrote: Beautiful! On Jul 2, 2013, at 4:30 PM, Chris Radek ch...@timeguy.com wrote: I had not done this on ours, but I have now; thanks for the reminder. See, the system does work, at least sometimes :) Thanks,

Re: [Emc-developers] Open Development

2013-07-07 Thread Matt Shaver
On Sat, 6 Jul 2013 20:23:12 + Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com wrote: I guess it really comes down to at what performance machine does jerk limitation show real benefits ? I would guess that almost all machines _we_ deal with would benefit from jerk limiting. A machine that might

Re: [Emc-developers] Vote Seb for 2.6 Release Manager!

2013-07-10 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 21:44:15 -0500 Sebastian Kuzminsky s...@highlab.com wrote: * Once all these features are in or have been postponed to 2.7, I'll make a 2.6 release branch and immediately make a first official pre-release. Hopefully this will happen in the first half of July. ... *

Re: [Emc-developers] status update: unified build/new RTOS support

2013-07-25 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013 16:46:00 +0200 Michael Haberler mai...@mah.priv.at wrote: As a base for builds right now, the rtos-master-v0 branch is ok and I'll make sure it doesnt break - just note there will be major change coming shortly I'm trying to build this branch, and upon running the

Re: [Emc-developers] status update: unified build/new RTOS support

2013-07-26 Thread Matt Shaver
Thanks you guys! Sam called it correctly: I was missing the 'libboost-serialization-dev' package. I was able to get the configure script to run to the end without installing 'libboost-thread-dev', but Seb's test indicated that I needed that package and a whole bunch more, mostly concerned (I

Re: [Emc-developers] installing xenomai

2013-08-03 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 15:34:29 -0400 Tom Easterday tom-...@bgp.nu wrote: I did the install and rebooted (no RealTek ethernet) but it comes up with a login prompt, no GUI. I put the output of dmesg here: http://pastebin.com/GzQHt4L5 Is there something here that tells me why it isn't launching

Re: [Emc-developers] Controlling EMC from a non-GPL application

2008-11-25 Thread Matt Shaver
On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 08:58 +, paul_c wrote: Quartus does not qualify as a major component, nor is it free, neither is it's output - Please read Altera's TC. If we're in trouble, so is the GNU Radio project. As an example, if you download their latest version and look in the archive file

Re: [Emc-developers] Controlling EMC from a non-GPL application

2008-11-28 Thread Matt Shaver
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 19:12 -0600, Chris Radek wrote: What is your point exactly? I think I have found out. While reading Slashdot, one of my favorite ways to waste time, I came upon this: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/11/28/2339242.shtml which points to this article, which is a good

[Emc-developers] Mode Changes: Program End vs. Abort vs. Error

2009-08-20 Thread Matt Shaver
Consider the following program: G1X1F10 G1X0F10 (G43) M2 GUI is AXIS and two HAL meters are displayed, one looking at halui.program.is-idle, and the other at halui.mode.is-auto. When the program is initially opened the mode changes briefly to auto while the program is verified. When the program

Re: [Emc-developers] port EMC2 to Beagle Board

2009-08-20 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 12:55 -0500, Jon Elson wrote: Ahh, some new news! Torsten Koschorrek, the rtai ARM maintainer, has volunteered to do an rtai port for the Cortex-A8! But, he is tied up right now, and won't be able to dig into it until next month. Still, that actually sounds pretty

Re: [Emc-developers] Mode Changes: Program End vs. Abort vs. Error

2009-08-20 Thread Matt Shaver
At the urging of Alex Chris on IRC, I performed these same procedures with tkemc and xemc. It works essentially the same way, except these older guis don't make any effort to do intelligent mode switching. Now that I've seen it work with the simpler guis, I'm sure it works as intended. I stand

Re: [Emc-developers] port EMC2 to Beagle Board

2009-08-21 Thread Matt Shaver
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 14:33 -0400, Dale Grover wrote: But, just to be clear, it's all Matt's fault. Somehow. Isn't everything? Jon Elson wrote: Oh, the beagle is almost entirely 1.8 V signalling, especially directly connecting to the expansion connector, at least according to my reading.

[Emc-developers] Can someone confirm this bug?

2009-08-23 Thread Matt Shaver
I'd just like to know that what I've observed in this bug report: http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=2841156 isn't just another of my all too frequent hallucinations, or the product of my misconfiguration. Thanks, Matt

Re: [Emc-developers] hostmot SVST2_4_7147.pin file typo

2009-09-06 Thread Matt Shaver
This fpga image was made for me by Peter at Mesa a while back. I used it successfully for a while, then built a 4 axis machine and discovered that stepgen3 indeed had two step pins and no dir pin. Peter fixed it and sent me an updated .bit file. Recently I've been using the file distributed with

Re: [Emc-developers] Possible Licensing Problem

2009-12-15 Thread Matt Shaver
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 23:05 -0600, Chris Radek wrote: I don't see a problem here (yay). That's good! I just want keep the roaming zombie hordes outside the fence... Thanks, Matt -- Return on Information: Google

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