RE: [PSES] Environmental testing information

2009-02-19 Thread Barker, Neil
Consider the environment: do you really need to print this e mail? From: John Allen [mailto:jral...@productsafetyinc.com] Sent: 19 February 2009 16:30 To: Barker, Neil Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Environmental testing information Did

RE: [PSES] Environmental testing information

2009-02-19 Thread Barker, Neil
-weatherprotected. would seem to indicate that the series is used to define enviremental test levels - correct ? thanks much. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Barker, Neil Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 8:37 AM To: John Allen Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE

RE: CE logo dimension in small products

2009-01-22 Thread Barker, Neil
If the product is so small that it cannot accomodate a 5mm CE marking, then the size may be reduced as long as it is clearly legible and not likely to be confused with any other marking, or alternatively the marking may be applied to the packaging and/or the documentation. Best regards Neil

RE: First EUP Regulation implementation regarding standby power

2009-01-19 Thread Barker, Neil
Scott, That is correct. EU Directives require transposition into the legislation of the Member States, but EU Regulations have legal effect in their own rights. Regulations are usually used to add detail to legislation that has already been implemented in national law. Neil Barker Manager

RE: WEEE statements in user manuals?

2009-01-15 Thread Barker, Neil
David There may be a number of reasons for this:- 1. To ensure that the disposal instructions can be understood in the countries in which the product is marketed. 2. To include different contact details for the compliance schemes that the manufacturer may belong in each of the different

RE: Lithium battery coin cell shipping restrictions

2009-01-13 Thread Barker, Neil
? From: lauren_cr...@amat.com [mailto:lauren_cr...@amat.com] Sent: 12 January 2009 17:52 To: Barker, Neil Subject: RE: Lithium battery coin cell shipping restrictions Neil, Do you have a link you could share for Tadiran? I looked at their US website

RE: Lithium battery coin cell shipping restrictions

2009-01-05 Thread Barker, Neil
Dan For a coin cell, you are typically talking fractions of a gram, not grams. For shipping purposes you can ship cells/batteries equivalent to 3 or 4 AA size cells/batteries. Individual batteries only become a problem at C size and above. Some of the best information that I have found is on the

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2008-12-18 Thread Barker, Neil
John I would recommend that you start with IEC60721 Series and use that to define your environment and from that derive your test regime. That standard allows you to define the severity of each aspect of the environment rather than use a single generic definition that may not be completely

RE: Partial testing to RTTE Directive Harmonised Standards

2008-12-16 Thread Barker, Neil
David If the reduced configuration does nothing that might make the EMC situation worse (changes to enclosure apertures, substitution of different cables, etc) then you should not need to do any additional testing, just seek a Notified Body opinion on the changes to the build standard. It is up

RE: Mains Harmonics, Flicker, and Industrial Applications

2008-12-05 Thread Barker, Neil
Carl Not necesarily. That would depend on how and what the equipment in which the panel-mount device is installed is connected to. Anything pluggable could be expected to be connected to a public low voltage distribution system. Also, you could, for example, have a panel-mount device installed

RE: EN 300386 - RE: New Official Journal list of EMC standards

2008-11-06 Thread Barker, Neil
William I would expect that this standard is listed under the RTTE Directive, not the EMC Directive, even though it is an EMC standard; it is primarily an RTTE standard. Neil Barker Manager Central Quality e2v 106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England Tel: +44

RE: Reliability: MTBFs and Probability of Failure

2008-10-29 Thread Barker, Neil
Mark I think you are looking for the NSWC mechanical model for prediction. Most of the proprietary software packages support this. Best regards Neil R. Barker CEng MIET HonFSEE MIEEE Manager Quality Engineering e2v technologies (uk) ltd 106 Waterhouse Lane Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QU UK

RE: DO-160 Section 15 - Calibration of Compass

2008-10-02 Thread Barker, Neil
Luke The important aspects of this is not the calibration of the compass, but control of the aspects that could give rise to errors. A compass is inherently accurate as the needle will always point to magnetic N-S, and the issue is thus the resolution of the scale,which needs to be down to

RE: Laser safety and Li-Po batteries

2008-09-12 Thread Barker, Neil
Peter I'll decline to answer your question re lasers, as I am sure others are more knowledgeable than I am. In answer to your question about batteries, I answered a similar question last week. The reply was:- Lithium batteries may be shipped installed in product. The UN No. is 3091. IATA

RE: automotive safety standards

2008-07-31 Thread Barker, Neil
Brian The critical factor for automotive electronics is whether or not they are 'immunity related'. Any equipment that relates to control of the vehicle in any way; e.g. engine management, braking system, steering, evn automatic screen wiper control, is 'immunity related'. If the equipment that

RE: Are ATEX, IEC and UL Zone classifications equivalent?

2008-07-29 Thread Barker, Neil
John There are similarities, but they are not equivalents. I'll try to explain as concisely as I can. Class I is for gases, vapours or liquids, and consequently equates to a G atmosphere under ATEX/IECEx Class II is for dusts and equates to a D atmosphere under ATEX/IECEx Class III is for

RE: Are ATEX, IEC and UL Zone classifications equivalent?

2008-07-29 Thread Barker, Neil
Sorry. I just spotted an error in my original post (isn't that always the way !!) In the paragraph relating to Gas groups, the first line should read 'Gas group D equates to Group IIA (propane)' Neil Barker -Original Message- From: Barker, Neil Sent: 29 July

RE: MIL-STD 461 vs. DSTAN 59-41

2008-07-01 Thread Barker, Neil
Also, all DEF STANs are available at http://www.dstan.mod.uk/ Neil Barker Manager Central Quality e2v 106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616 Mobile: +44 (0)7801 723735 Fax:+44 (0)1245 453571 www.e2v.com http://www.e2v.com/

RE: EU harmonized mains voltage

2008-06-18 Thread Barker, Neil
Isn't BS EN 50160:2000 inc Corrigenda 1, 2, and 3 now the definitive document, although HD 472 S1 is referenced by that standard? Neil Barker Manager Central Quality e2v 106 Waterhouse Lane, Chelmsford, Essex, CM1 2QU, England Tel: +44 (0)1245 453616 Mobile: +44 (0)7801 723735 Fax:

RE: Record Retention in the EU

2008-05-14 Thread Barker, Neil
Don EU Directives require that records are kept for 10 years after cessation of manufacture, so the total retention time depends on the production life of the product. You might also want to build in some time for goods in the supply chain if you distribute through either wholesale or retail

RE: UL60950 vs. IEC 60950

2008-05-08 Thread Barker, Neil
David Unfortunately, I do not know of any comparison. However, the first reason why you cannot use UL60950 for compliance with the LVD is that it is not an EN standard, and also incorporates the US National Deviations, so is different in some areas from the EN version. That said, if you

RE: UL Approval in different States

2005-05-18 Thread Barker, Neil
I'm afraid that I don't have a definitive answer, and look forward to somebody else posting one. However, my one observation is that the power tool may be used in the workplace and is therefore subject to the jurisdiction of OSHA, whereas your phone would not generally be classified as equipment

RE: What is wrong in my 3 meters FAC measurement

2004-03-26 Thread Barker, Neil
A co-axial feed-through capacitor is almost certainly the best (possibly the only) solution here. The classic device is the 10uF 100A feed-through manufactured by Solar that suits most of the defence standards, but if you don't require such a high pass current, there are many good components

RE: CE Marking of Shipping Cartons

2003-11-20 Thread Barker, Neil
Strictly speaking, customs are not the enforcing authority for CE marking and should not be looking for anything, although they may act as a first line filter in some member states. The enforcing authorities in the UK, for example, are a range of government agencies including Trading Standards,

RE: EN 61000-3-2:2000

2003-11-11 Thread Barker, Neil
Chris, EN55103-1 is a product family standard, which takes precedence over generic standards, and must therefore make reference to all Basic Standards that are applicable to equipment within its scope. You will also find that EN61000-3-2 is called up by the generic standards such as EN61000-6-3.

RE: MEDICAL SAFETY STANDARDS

2003-11-03 Thread Barker, Neil
Ian, Almost certainly a typo. I am fairly certain that they mean IEC60601-1. The IEC and UL versions are very similar, but the UL version includes national variations for the USA so these will need to be taken into account. You will find the requirements of this standard more demanding than most

RE: IEC 60320 connector and cable

2003-09-18 Thread Barker, Neil
Having referred to the standard, The keyway(s) have nothing to do with current rating. They relate to the temperature rating of the connector. 10A connectors are rectangular with two bevelled corners only for standard conditions. They have a single keyway on the longer side for 'hot' conditions,

RE: IEC 60320 connector and cable

2003-09-18 Thread Barker, Neil
...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: 18 September 2003 16:25 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: IEC 60320 connector and cable I read in !emc-pstc that Barker, Neil neil.bar...@e2vtechnologies.com wrote (in 4f826f960057d4118ec3009027e2453808a52...@whl17.e2v.uk) about 'IEC 60320 connector

RE: IEC 60320 connector and cable

2003-09-18 Thread Barker, Neil
Neil, I think that you have already answered your own question. The reason that a moulded power lead (cord) assembly is not dual certified is because of the different cable specifications (not necessarily just the insulation colours, but may include flammability ratings, and voltage ratings),

RE: PSTN + Signal Cable

2003-09-18 Thread Barker, Neil
Hi Alex, In my view the dielectric strength test and insulation thickness are not alternative solutions but must be met concurrently. I don't think that you would get an accredited test house to concur with your solution, but it may be worth asking the question. I have found that most test

RE: ITE Approvals Matrix (for small low power products)

2003-09-10 Thread Barker, Neil
Alex, I have just taken one of our products along this route. To answer your questions, yes you are right in your general conclusion, but I would make the following comments; 1. While all these countries standards have CISPR 22 as their parentage, it is best to make sure that your test house

RE: Equipment I need

2003-07-10 Thread Barker, Neil
Two other manufacturers of a loop sensor to this specification are ETS-Lindgren (formerly EMCO), Model 7604, and Solar Electronics, Model 7334-1. When I needed the same loop about a year ago, I was able to obtain one of these ex-stock. Both are similarly priced. I was also able to hire one from

RE: EN50091-1 question

2003-07-04 Thread Barker, Neil
Nick, Sorry, I can't help as this standard is not in my subscription. However, are you aware that EN50091-1 was superseded by EN 50091-1-1, which remains current, but has itself been superseded by EN 62040-1-1:2003? Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager e2v technologies

RE: RTTE Directive Member States Notification

2003-07-02 Thread Barker, Neil
My understanding is that where there is a harmonised standard, but the spectrum usage is not harmonised, then there is no need to involve a Notified Body for any of the testing, but you do need a Spectrum Usage Report from a Notified Body to ratify the intended usage of the device in the target

RE: The e Marking requirements

2003-06-13 Thread Barker, Neil
If you go to the VCA website, you will find a whole load of downloadable documents that cover most aspects. Here is the link to that part of the website. http://www.vca.gov.uk/vehicle/specific-publication.shtm Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager e2v technologies ltd

RE: New Approach Directives and DOA and DOW

2003-06-11 Thread Barker, Neil
I would agree with you. Providing that the CPD has been enacted in the law of the Member State in which you wish to market your product, and that appropriate routes to compliance are available, then it should be your decision to take that route to market in preference to the former national

RE: Truck mounted machinery EMC requirements

2003-05-20 Thread Barker, Neil
Nick, I cannot give you a definitive answer, nor can I tell you where it is written, but I believe that the critical aspect is whether or not the equipment is or can be operated while the vehicle is in motion. In other words, is the vehicle merely serving to transport the equipment from one

RE: Automotive Directive

2003-05-16 Thread Barker, Neil
Bob, The statements that you make are true. The Directive only sets out minimum requirements. Any specific manufacturer may require suppliers of sub-assemblies to meet some limit that exceeds these minimum requirements. He is not obliged to accept any and all sub-assemblies that meet the minimum

RE: EN 60215 / IEC215 Safety requirements for radio transmitting equipment

2003-05-15 Thread Barker, Neil
IEC215 is now known as IEC60215. It applies to radio transmitting equipment. It is a harmonised standard and is listed under the RTTE Directive, Article 3(1)a. In my opinion it is not a very good standard, and is insufficient on it's own. You are unlikely to be able to issue a Declaration of

RE: Translation definitions/expressions of IEC60950

2003-05-12 Thread Barker, Neil
It could be an expensive exercise, but if you look at each of the national adoptions of EN 60950 you should be able to make the same correlations as with the French version. Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager e2v technologies ltd Waterhouse Lane Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QU

RE: NEW EMC DIRECTIVE

2003-05-08 Thread Barker, Neil
Yes. In common parlance it is a ready made cable (as opposed to a cable assembled in situ); e.g. a network cable, USB cable, printer cable, or any other type of cable procured with connectors already assembled. Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager e2v technologies ltd

RE: Thermocouple glue

2003-04-25 Thread Barker, Neil
John, As I have already replied (but maybe got lost in some of the hit-and-miss mail deliveries that others are complaining of) Blu-Tak is reported to work well (it sticks, it comes off, it doesn't mark the product, it survives a wide range of temperatures). It is used simply to hold the

RE: Thermocouple glue

2003-04-23 Thread Barker, Neil
I am told that Blu-Tak (you know, that non-sticky sticky stuff used to stick up posters etc) works very well over a fairly wide range of temperatures without marking the product. It is also quite a good thermal insulator, which makes sure that the thermocouple sees the test item rather than the

RE: Russian (GOST) equivalent standards.

2003-04-14 Thread Barker, Neil
David, Although the technical requirements are somewhat similar, you should be using EN 55103-1 EN 55103-2 for EMC as they are the product specific standards for audio, video, and lighting control apparatus for professional use. I would make sure that you meet these first. I don't agree with

Regulatory requirements for Mexico

2003-04-11 Thread Barker, Neil
Dear Group, Can anybody help me identify any mandatory requirements for EMC and/or product safety for Mexico? Our product is a battery-powered thermal imaging camera for use by firefighters. Some versions of the camera incorporate a wireless video link, but that is not an immediate requirement

RE: BNC connectors with integrated caps to ground

2003-03-20 Thread Barker, Neil
Chet, The caps are in the panel mount connector. These are isolated BNC connectors, where the body is plastic. The caps are embodied within the plastic body and are chip capacitors that lie between the outer 'tube' of the BNC and a spring clip that stakes into the ground on your PCB and also

RE: Measurement Consistency of OATS

2002-07-05 Thread Barker, Neil
I suggest that you refer to CISPR16 Clause 16. That specifies an OATS and its acceptability criteria fully. Best regards, Neil R. Barker Compliance Engineering Manager Marconi Applied Technologies Ltd. 106 Waterhouse Lane Chelmsford Essex CM1 2QU U.K. Tel: +44 (01245) 453616 Fax: +44 (01245)

RE: Earthing and Bonding

2002-07-03 Thread Barker, Neil
Ken has provided a very complete and thorough explanation of the reasoning behind the 100mOhm bond value. In low voltage systems, where current carrying conductors are necessarily of high ampacity, you might want to consider even lower values than 100 mOhms as the voltage drop under very high

RE: Need Antenna Factors

2002-06-28 Thread Barker, Neil
I would suggest that you will need to contact the manufacturers who may be able to provide typical antenna factors. However, at best these will just be close approximations to your actual antennas. The only surefire answer is to have your antennas calibrated. I know that this can be costly, but