Re: [PSES] Interview Questions

2012-07-04 Thread Cortland Richmond
ipedia.org/wiki/Railway_electrification_in_Great_Britain Cortland Richmond On 7/4/2012 1228, Scott Xe wrote: Hi Andy, Is there any particular reasons to have 110 Vac for railway signalling system in a 230/240 Vac country? Scott - This message i

Re: [PSES] FCC maximum frequency measurement

2012-07-06 Thread Cortland Richmond
;s no need to test real-time clocks at their fundamental frequency. Cortland Richmond On 7/5/2012 1112, Mcburney, Ian wrote: Dear Colleagues; I am trying to establish the maximum measurement frequency for radiated emissions for a digital device that is an unintentional radiator (part 15).

Re: [PSES] ELF

2012-07-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
.0 30 __ f = frequency in MHz *Plane-wave equivalent power density Cortland Richmond / / On 7/7/2012 1215, Macy wrote: [Fourth attempt to get MY mail server to post to the group, so a lot of information has been removed.]

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH

2012-08-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
I would say that they refer to the INSTANTANEOUS bandwidth. Cortland Richmond-Original Message- From: "Airy, Chad" Sent: Aug 6, 2012 6:43 PM To: "emc-p...@ieee.org" Subject: MIL STD 461E NECESSARY BANDWIDTH Greetings,Greetings to all, this is my first

Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium

2012-08-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
http://www.cpsc.gov/ABOUT/Cpsia/sect218.html and also http://www.cpsc.gov/businfo/intl/market_en.pdf Cortland Richmond On 8/19/2012 1602, Brian Oconnell wrote: Significance of CE mark to EU customs/surveillance is obvious and not point (other than my head). Need to understand why there are

Re: [PSES] Appropriate ETSI standard for 433 MHz Band Radio

2012-08-20 Thread Cortland Richmond
. Cortland Richmond On 8/20/2012 0842, Charlie Blackham wrote: David Look at European Frequency Allocations in CEPT ERC report 25, http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/official/pdf/ERCRep025.pdf. 433 MHz is allocated as an Amateur Radio Band, EN 301 783. Regards Charlie *From:*itl-emc user group

Re: [PSES] 61000-4-3: Rate of application of field

2012-08-20 Thread Cortland Richmond
o get the correct peak. The broadband FS meter was not happy with that, but we were able to verify the peak in real time, though most of the techs didnt know what we were doing (another thread, maybe). They didn't even WORK for me. Cortland Richmond On 8/20/2012 2003, Ed Price wrote

Re: [PSES] 61000-4-3: Rate of application of field

2012-08-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
Hi, Brent, From the work I did in the NW I'd say they need to add 16 2/3 Hz to it; the papers on AED susceptibility to railway power fields were a little scary -- for folks in train stations, anyway. Cheers, Cortland Richmond On 8/21/2012 0003, Brent G DeWitt wrote: Re: [PSES] 6100

Re: [PSES] "Smart" Batteries

2012-08-23 Thread Cortland Richmond
"Smart" batteries are electronic subassemblies that don't work properly outside of the equipment in which they are meant to be used and must be tested in it. Cortland Richmond On 8/22/2012 1243, rehel...@mmm.com wrote: Can someone tell me if there are any EMC standards fo

Re: [PSES] "Smart" Batteries

2012-08-24 Thread Cortland Richmond
iators equivalent to the end use and receptors that will deliver equivalent RF to the device under test. There's room here for some enterprising and cash-flush (heh) lab to produce a White Paper. VERY interesting discussion. Cortland Richmond On 8/23/2012 1234, Ken Javor wrote: Re: &q

Re: [PSES] "Smart" Batteries

2012-08-24 Thread Cortland Richmond
tests need to closely approximate the actual use environment, which a passive charge discharge/recharge cycle doesn't do for actively communicating smart batteries. Cheers, Cortland Richmond KA5S On 8/24/2012 1313, Ed Price wrote: Re: "Smart" Batteries *Cortland:* ** *I d

Re: [PSES] FAA Reconsiders Policy on Personal Electronic Devices

2012-09-12 Thread Cortland Richmond
Can be done, has been done. We've used analog cancellation for a century or so in telephones, after all. Op-Amps made it a lot easier to get 20 dB of it. And still no RF. You may have been thinking of DSP noise subtraction, which does require A/D, DSP and D/A circuitry. Cortland KA5S On 8/2

Re: [PSES] MOV failure detection

2012-09-23 Thread Cortland Richmond
your friend. Is such a requirement really needed? Folks like us get paid for solving problems like that. Cortland Richmond ka5s On 9/23/2012 1129, doug...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from all the regulatory issues of leakage current and nasty failure modes of MOVs. What methods have been used to d

Re: [PSES] OATS vs FAR Radiated Emissions Limits

2012-10-16 Thread Cortland Richmond
, domestically and in China. Got one memorable call in the middle of *his* night from a VERY p*ssed off Chinese plant manager. Heh. Old times. Who audits now? Cortland Richmond (ka5s) On 10/16/2012 1503, John Woodgate wrote: In message , dated Tue, 16 Oct 2012, ravinder.ajm...@hgst.com writes

Re: [PSES] Fischer CC EM Clamp F-203I-32mm

2012-11-20 Thread Cortland Richmond
I've noticed that when people don't understand a test, they often try to make it conform to every detail in the standards, prescripitve or  or not.  If it really mattered, I suppose one could turn the clamp sideways...Cortland Richmond-Original Message- From: "Kunde, Brian

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461F RE103 Appendix A.5.18.3

2012-11-30 Thread Cortland Richmond
, how it is laid out should make no difference. See Fig. CE106-1 etc. Also note that these tests are *relative* measurements so absolute amplitude doesn't matter.. Cortland Richmond On 11/30/2012 1959, Airy, Chad wrote: The RE103 discussion under Test Procedures in Appendix *A.5.18

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461F RE103 Appendix A.5.18.3

2012-11-30 Thread Cortland Richmond
Chad, hat should read "absolute amplitude ACCURACY does not matter". Cortland - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All

Re: [PSES] MIL STD 461F RE103 Appendix A.5.18.3

2012-12-03 Thread Cortland Richmond
I had to take a closer look at your question and at the standard. You don't have to worry about the bench, chamber, cabling and LISN's (see Figure 2) when you bring a transmitter into the chamber for CE106. The exemption also means you don't have to take a transmitter out of an armored vehicle

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
n death in either a Glen Dash column, or an EMC Club Banana Skins; I forget which. ** www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15294405 Might we have a psychologist speak at an EMC Symposium on "How to talk your boss into doing the right thing"? Cortland Richmond On 12/7/2012 0232, John

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
rewired things so one didn't risk electrocution every them he did that test. It must have been good enough, because various witnessed tests were accepted. This raises the question, however, of whether such a test was done on these computers; it's pretty simple, or can be. Cortlan

Re: [PSES] Two new blog postings

2012-12-16 Thread Cortland Richmond
Files/HeartAntenna.pdf Cortland Richmond KA5S On 12/15/2012 1246, Ken Wyatt wrote: Hi All, I just posted a couple articles that may be of interest. 1. Review: Com-Power PAP-501 broadband preamp <http://www.tmworld.com/electronics-blogs/the-emc-blog/4403427/Review--Com-Power-PAP-501-broadband-preamp&g

Re: [PSES] a CAB person and my Python

2013-03-01 Thread Cortland Richmond
s probably an FCC Commissioner now. Cortland Richmond On 3/1/2013 0853, Ron Pickard RPQ wrote: Hi Bill, The $2 bill is, in fact, still a current denomination of US currency, albeit rarely used. It's introduction was back in the mid-1800s, I believe. I still have a few of them from many

Re: [PSES] LED Chamber Lighting - drivers outside the chamber

2013-03-01 Thread Cortland Richmond
You need a constant-current source; how about an adjustable 3 terminal regulator set up as one? Cortland Richmond On 3/1/2013 0900, Rene Charton/Twn/TUV wrote: ...ideas to generate a clean DC current? - This message is from

[PSES] NRTL North of the 40th and up in the clouds? - Not quite Off Topic

2013-03-05 Thread Cortland Richmond
icane or a very intense mid-latitude cyclone// //950 mb (28.06 inches of mercury): CAT 3 Hurricane// //870 mb (25.70 inches of mercury): Lowest Ever Recorded (not including tornadoes)// /http://www.theweatherprediction.com/habyhints2/410/* *Cortlan

[PSES] Fwd: Re: [PSES] test setup for table top ungrounded equipment 61000-4-2 IEC:2008 figure 6 page 20

2013-03-09 Thread Cortland Richmond
e tip, I could produce enough ions to charge unsuspecting management "trespassing" on our lab's linoleum floor enough to shock themselves when they touched a metal door on the way out. Heh! Cortland Richmond ka5s On 3/8/2013 1029, Ken Wyatt wrote: Yes, and the ESD standard was w

Re: [PSES] Critical component in EMC report

2013-03-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
being examples. I think a Test Report should and must say only what applicable laws, standards and regulations require -- but all of that. Cortland Richmond On 3/13/2013 1148, Scott Xe wrote: Critical component in EMC report It is common not to have critical component list in EMC re

Re: [PSES] Cellphone sniffer hunts down illicit prison calls

2013-03-14 Thread Cortland Richmond
egal and that 2) it is possible to selectively jam only those cellphones not located in staff spaces. I suspect also that he might have a better case if he had asked why they didn't block all but authorized NUMBERS. Cortland Richmond On 3/14/2013 0757, Pat Lawler wrote: Cellphone sniffe

Re: [PSES] Test lab acceptability query

2013-03-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
accept an Isaeli product or service if they do not want to accept it. Cortland Richmond On 3/15/2013 1013, Ron Pickard RPQ wrote: To all, I've been asked by a colleague to verify what he has recently learned, which is in Malaysia, a ruling by SIRIM does not recognize regulatory certifi

Re: [PSES] Test lab acceptability query

2013-03-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
Follow the links, Chris; this one looks promising: http://www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/index.htm There is also a link for inquiries. Cortland Richmond On 3/15/2013 1154, Chris wrote: Is Malaysia among the restricted countries on US list? I remember some years ago that our

Re: [PSES] Easter 2013

2013-03-27 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 3/27/2013 1200, Steli Loznen wrote: All my best wishes for a Happy Easter 2013. Steli chag sameach pesach! Cortland - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a me

Re: [PSES] Easter 2013

2013-03-27 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 3/27/2013 1856, N. Shani wrote: Cortland et al, Allow me re-organize the words slightly: chag pesach sameach (happy passover holiday). Naftali Todah! I don't claim to SPEAK it; I do well to follow in a Siddur or Haggadah. American, you know? Cheers, Cortland - ---

Re: [PSES] factories for marked cable

2013-04-25 Thread Cortland Richmond
escribe all the recognized labs whose marks are acceptable. I suspect a similar logic might then apply, were a non-EU cable manufacturer to find his product denied entry for lack of the "HAR" mark. Could be wrong: I am not a l

Re: [PSES] Production Assurance Tests for EMC

2013-07-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
ality, and I found a number of problems in the few years I was there. Observation since has me suspecting that industry's current custom and practice is to test as little as possible and wait for prosecutors to discover problems. Cortland Richmond ka5s On 7/11/2013 0534, Luke Turn

Re: [PSES] California Prop 65

2013-07-12 Thread Cortland Richmond
*Warning* Contains peanuts. I wonder if it is a violation of Prop 65 to knowingly report as present _substances one has not even looked for_. "They must be there; put up a sign!" makes notification meaningless. Cortland Richmond ka5s On 7/11/2013 2255, Scott Douglas wrote: When I

Re: [PSES] Retest because of supersded standard?

2013-09-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
d have to read through it (again; it's open on the table) to find where he talks about that. if you have felt good about your work, you may already know what he is talking about. Cortland Richmond On 9/2/2013 0707, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: Well said. We do agr

Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains

2013-09-06 Thread Cortland Richmond
I'm not a power engineer, but I suspect you'll need something more than pointed bus bars. A quick search comes up with this: www.erico.com/public/library/fep/Surge/LT19915.pdf? Good luck! Cortland Richmond On 9/6/2013 1156, Kunde, Brian wrote: Our engineers are working on a

Re: [PSES] Spark Gap PCB Layout on AC Mains

2013-09-09 Thread Cortland Richmond
he builds, and just throwing in spark gaps, gas tubes, Tranzorbs(tm) or MOV's might be asking for trouble. Know the threat, and protect against THAT. Cortland Richmond On 9/9/2013 1130, Kunde, Brian wrote: What are the safety considerations using gas tubes on the AC mains? Do you ha

Re: [PSES] Standards copyright lawsuit

2013-10-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
st work or have worked for firms who could afford to buy copies of their own. But imagine one day finding that one has been convicted in absentia of speeding through a town without speed limit signs, limits available only by subscription. Cortland Richmond On 10/7/2013 1135, Peter Tarver wrot

Re: EMC and Class 2 equipment

2002-04-24 Thread Cortland Richmond
Amund I don't think of a green wire as RF "ground." What are Y caps DOING? They are a return path for RF current that could otherwise get onto the mains and cause interference. How does RF current get onto the power conductors? Unbalanced switching noise? Yes, mostly. Capacitive coupling? Some.

Re: SV: Decoupling - capacitor values

2002-04-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
Amund, You do not HAVE to be in a chamber to keep working on this. Since there is only one Vcc pin (which processor IS this? - be SURE there is only one Vcc pin; you may have an unfiltered, unconnected Vcc pin or two) you are limited in how many capacitors you can attach to it. This doesn't matt

RE: Decoupling - capacitor values

2002-04-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
it at all. Cortland Richmond --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: m

Re: SV: Decoupling - capacitor values

2002-04-18 Thread Cortland Richmond
oing schematic and layout reviews. THEN I look for routing missteps and inadvertent loops. Others may prefer to approach things in a different order; that's just my preference. But it works for me. Good luck! Cortland Richmond --- This message is fro

Re: Decoupling - capacitor values

2002-04-17 Thread Cortland Richmond
820pF is sufficient. Regards, Cortland Richmond Amund Westin wrote: >> Insert a SMD ceramic capacitor of value 820pF in parallel with the existing 100nF. The reason for the low value 820pF is because the capacitor self-resonance frequency is approximate 180MHz, and I believe it is import

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
A loop can indeed radiate harmonics, if it is a reasonable fraction of a wavelength long. A very small loop, tuned to resonance by some capacitance, is less likely to do so. Cortland (The firm i work for, and my boss, Don't know what I may write; They don't stand by what I might say, Which is p

EMC-related news article

2002-01-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
Finally, a voice of sanity in news articles about electromagnetic vulnerability. The ABC online news headline is High-Tech Robbery Physicists Say Electromagnetic-Aided Robbery Limited to Hollywood htt

Re: Car EMC, was bulk current injection testing

2002-01-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
A small antenna with a 45 Mhz source and mixer at the center would retransmit a US cellphone on its own receive frequency. Would that do what you want? Cortland - KA5S (What I write here is mine alone. My employer does not Concur, agree or else endorse These words, their mood, or thought.) Ken

Re: Car EMC, was bulk current injection testing

2002-01-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
Actually, it's not the IEEE, but the IEE, a different organization. Cortland (If my firm wanted to say something, they wouldn't have ME say it! I don't speak for them!) --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-p

Re: Cars and RF (was ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection...)

2002-01-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
>> If I assume that the top loaded antenna acts as a quarter wave stub, that is it is extremely efficient at radiating all the power presented at the base and not reflecting any back, and if I further assume this is CB band or higher (essentially at or above 30 MHz), then 600 Watts 5 meters away

Re: Car EMC, was bulk current injection testing

2002-01-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
Yeah, it is funny. or can be -- if you are not the guy being strip-searched because my rig set off a metal detector! I tell people I'm a Radio Interference Engineer. I can cure it - or cause it. In the US, the FCC limits permissible RF field strength only to protect public health. The field str

Re: Car EMC, was bulk current injection testing

2002-01-11 Thread Cortland Richmond
Note to list members: Dave has seen my car. Dave, I shall have to come to Austin and try it in your parking lot. (grin!) But don't look for me on a Segway! That's too far to stand up. Cortland - KA5S (What I write here is mine alone. My employer does not Concur, agree or else endorse These words

Re: ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

2002-01-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
Never had to do that bulk current injection test (except some NEBS GR-1089 stuff). Is it with modulated RF, or merely swept? Keying on and off can be much more severe in its effect than a continuous carrier, or a gradual increase and decrease with sweeping frequencies as cables resonate. Cortla

Re: ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

2002-01-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
In a closer-to-safety example, I've seen mobile radio affect screening devices at a courthouse doorway (I was parking for jury duty). Key down; lights up. Key up, works normally (40 meter band, about 10 meters away). I've seen a poorly wired burglar alarm go off 30 meters from my car when I was

Re: ISO 11452-4 Bulk Current Injection Test Requirements

2002-01-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
A worst case -- "real world" -- is probably just behind a radio equipped car, mounting a capacitively top-loaded antenna at its rear edge, and about 600 watts of RF. With rather less power, 100 watts, I've occasionally seen adjacent cars' engines stop when I transmit. It would be interesting to

Re: radar

2002-01-09 Thread Cortland Richmond
Remember the "Miss Piggy" driver? He wore a rubber mask so he could challenge photo-radar citations. When I was there he had not lost a case, because the photograph could not identify the driver, and there was at the time no law requiring a driver to refrain from wearing a mask. I do believe th

Re: radar

2002-01-08 Thread Cortland Richmond
Back in the 1970's, I saw the electronic flash on a German radar activated stoplight camera going off repeatedly during a snowstorm. No cars around, of course, but I bet they got lots of snowflakes! Cortland (What I write here is mine alone. My employer does not Concur, agree or else endorse Th

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-05 Thread Cortland Richmond
We need to separate specific regulation from general. The FCC does not care if a radio front end is wide open, though it now requires scanning receivers to have 38 dB image rejection. This does not mean they have narrow front ends, however. A SW receiver with a 75 MHz If may well have nothing

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-04 Thread Cortland Richmond
I don't believe this is what people are saying here. What they are saying is, ordinary semiconductors won't demodulate RF levels produced by an unintentional radiator. Cortland (What I write here is mine alone. My employer does not Concur, agree or else endorse These words, their tone, or though

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-04 Thread Cortland Richmond
There is a difference between extending a warranty and being liable for failure. If your seat belts fail some time after the warranty is up, the manufacturer won't pay for fixing them on your car. But the manufacturer may well be held liable for the failure. Cortland "Andrews, Kurt" wrote:

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-04 Thread Cortland Richmond
AIrbag testing? Well, since it costs about $US 1500 to replace them (here), I suppose there WOULD be a price hike! One of the tests run on a modern, computerized auto when the ignition is turned on is for airbag activation circuitry. Cortland "James, Chris" wrote: > I don't

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-04 Thread Cortland Richmond
I must disagree. The wording of Part 15 requiring users of Part 15 devices to accept interference, does not reduce complaints; hardly any users actually know it is there, or what it means. Fewer care. If they are receiving one's signals, they consider them intrusions to which they must react. T

Re: Something a little different - Car Radio question

2002-01-03 Thread Cortland Richmond
"Some cars do this?" Nonsense! As you of course know. 1. It may be that your windshield antenna will not work with the particular model radio you got, which would only mean drilling a small hole and installing a whip. You should be able to find this out by calling the manufacturer and asking.

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-03 Thread Cortland Richmond
I have it from a message on the r...@contesting.com list that Phillips bulbs produce less RF noise than others. I can't vouch for that, however. Cortland (What I write here is mine alone. My employer does not Concur, agree or else endorse These words, their tone, or thought.) Rich Nute wrote:

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-03 Thread Cortland Richmond
pensive to build or no one will be able to sell them at a profit. They can't be unreliable in the field or people won't buy them at all. And they can't cause too many problems, or the company will be sued. One factor weighs against another. We are at the balance point. Regards, Cortlan

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-03 Thread Cortland Richmond
I'm old enough, Ken, to remember ADF approaches! But laptop switchers often operate inband to frequencies used by aviation non-directional beacons. This makes them more of a threat than the harmonics from lower-frequency ones. It is also, of course, possible for the laptop's other emissions to int

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
If they meant "radio compass,"  that is a different can of monkeys. The radio compass was traditionally the indicator for the ADF set , pointing to the ground station, and was usually mounted so as to revolve in front of a scale which rotated with the aircraft's' magnetic heading. A noisy switch

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
It appears that a lot depends on what we mean by the word "safety." If this means the elimination of as-yet-unknown risks, why, nothing can be shown to be safe. If we mean the prevention of hazards that are reasonably predictable, we do that already. Or should! The existence of standards which re

Re: EMC-related safety issues

2002-01-02 Thread Cortland Richmond
off a laptop due to interference with aircraft navigational or communications systems.  In one case, a specific frequency was reported. Yet when the computer was checked, I could find no trace of an emission anywhere near the frequency supposedly affected. Cheers, Cortland Richmond (my opinion

Re: Clock frequencies

2002-09-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
Doesn't sound like you're missing anything. We are just talking about different things. Common disease, here! Certainly, for the same directive gain, the aperture of an antenna is smaller at higher frequencies. However, I'm not holding gain constant, but size. If the two antennas are the same p

Re: Clock frequencies

2002-09-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
An antenna of some physical size will indeed have gain increasing with frequency. There is some justification, a 1 GHz antenna being reasonably small, for assuming that antennas will have similar sizes -- and increasing gain -- above 960 MHz. However, I suspect that the original limit was simply a

RE: New EU regulations - civil aviation

2002-09-17 Thread Cortland Richmond
The navigation systems which are protected by regulation were developments of the 1940's, and -- except for interference! -- work pretty well. They are analog technology, using phase and amplitudes of audio frequency tones to determine position and/or deviation from course. For landing, the ILS

Re: New EU regulations - civil aviation

2002-09-16 Thread Cortland Richmond
I've been watching this discussion with interest. It appears you are agreeing with each other - at some length. (grin) The subject of interference to airborne navigation and communications receivers seems never to go away. Since it was the probability of just such interference which lead the FAA

Re: Adding A/C Power to DC Telecom Gear

2002-09-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
Chris, You SURE you want to do this? I believe CO's strictly isolate AC powered gear. They have this "thing" about AC hum, you know... Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Vi

RE: Isolated grounds in central office

2002-09-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
requencies more like a ground isolator. At RF, one MUST return current to source in a short distance, which a typical CO ground system cannot satisfy, or see radiated emissions and undesired coupling between units increase. Cheers, Cortland Richmond --- Th

Re:RE: Fire Enclosure Design for NiCad Batteries

2002-12-17 Thread Cortland Richmond
One need only have a battery short in a pocket to receive a "heated" reminder that batteries are not inherently safe devices. I've a pair of trousers with a hole melted in them from an accidental short circuit. Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE

Re: High Voltage Relay HELP!!!

2002-12-10 Thread Cortland Richmond
Why not turn off the lower voltage that RUNS the supply? You can also ground the test sample when the door is open, using a contact separated from ground during the test by a wedge able to withstand 10 kV. Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC

Re: ReIssue: RE: When CE doesn't pass

2002-11-22 Thread Cortland Richmond
If your product were audited, it would be tested as you sell it -- and if that incorporated product D, it seems it would fail. As I understand things, the entity which sells or places a product on the market is responsible for its compliance; that would be you. So there's really nothing for it but

Re: When CE doesn't pass

2002-11-22 Thread Cortland Richmond
Brian Kunde wrote: >> Sometimes when we have a system tested for CE (emissions and immunity), one of the other companies pieces of equipment will cause the "system" to fail. << Yes, indeed. Luckily, I worked for a computer manufacturer and we could find other vendors. Still, I have found it adv

Re: Choce of Capacitance....

2002-08-16 Thread Cortland Richmond
A 4.7 uF capacitor is unlikely to have low enough series inductance to prevent excessive noise on digital power and ground pins. You have two needs. One is audio decoupling. For this, the big cap works. The other is supplying digital switching currents. And for THAT, the big cap fails. Your Vcc

Re: Thermal breakers vs magnetic breakers for telecom

2002-08-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
Dave Heald wrote: >> Does anyone know of any telecom (or general) reasons why thermal circuit breakers may be unacceptable for telecom products? << Some thought on the matter suggests that thermal breakers may be too variable in their trip current and time over the usual temperature range of -4

Re: Rf flammable atmosphere ignition and Halfwave Dipoles

2002-08-03 Thread Cortland Richmond
Dave Palmer wrote: >> Assuming that what I am actually taking about is dipole gain (I am a bit of an ignoramus I'm afraid) Can anyone give me a basic approximate formula for the variation of gain with frequency for frequencies that are up to a factor of (say) 10 away (above and below) from the re

Re: Compliance Primer

2002-07-30 Thread Cortland Richmond
I've used the approach that one doesn't design compliance IN, one designs non-compliance OUT. People who have the view that EMI reduction is a matter of filters, shields and spring fingers, find out, if they don't know already, that this is the expensive way to do things. They become more recepti

Re: Tantalum Capacitor Reliability

2002-07-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
When we started seeing 50 volt caps blowing up on a 5 volt output it became evident that the problem _we_ had, "instant mortality" (grin), was over-current, not over-voltage. We didn't actually see a voltage transient - a 'scope had in fact ruled that out - but someone in management had apparentl

Re: Tantalum Capacitor Reliability

2002-07-29 Thread Cortland Richmond
Chris, The issue isn't voltage rating; low-ESR caps such as these are susceptible to excessive charging current at turn-on. At a former employer, we saw REALLY GOOD, expensive caps used on a computer's 5V bus exploding at turn-on, even ones rated at 50 volts. Replacing them with cheaper electrol

Re: SV: Changes to FCC Conducted Limits for Part 15 & 18

2002-07-28 Thread Cortland Richmond
>> So, what will happen to PLC (PowerLine Communication) in US ? I >> know an application called CEBus and they operate in the frequency >> band 100kHz-400kHz. Those folks using CEBus will not meet the new >> conducted emission requirements. >> >> Maybe, that sort of equipment is not within the s

Re: Changes to FCC Conducted Limits for Part 15 & 18

2002-07-26 Thread Cortland Richmond
I don't have access to the documentation I did where I used to work (darn it) but luckily, Jim Quarfoot at TI wrote a great article about ADSL problems in the 25 July 2002 _Comms Design_. I recommend it. ( http://www.commsdesign.com/main/9812/9812feat1.htm ) Per the article, maximum ADSL power

RE: Changes to FCC Conducted Limits for Part 15 & 18

2002-07-25 Thread Cortland Richmond
Jim Eichner wrote: >>A philosophical .vs practical question: Why is the FCC doing this? Is it harmonization for the sake of harmonization, or are there real-life issues driving it? If it's the latter, what sorts of products have susceptibility issues between 150kHz and 450kHz? << Don't forge

Re: Subharmonics.

2002-07-22 Thread Cortland Richmond
Derek Walton wrote: >> I'm testing a product that's switching at 50 kHz, modulated by a 1 kHz signal. I'm getting a great deal of noise between 9 kHz to 13 kHz, I think is related. Specifically, it goes when I stop the modulation... Any ideas on ways to clean this up. Filtering seems to be e

Re: EMSCAN data

2002-07-18 Thread Cortland Richmond
I'd be interested in seeing what you've got. Remember, not only the board can resonate, but structures on and in it, and at lower frequencies, too. Don't send the file to my Compuserve address, though; I can only see text here. Cortland Richmond k..

Re: Multiple shield terminations?

2002-07-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
Some years ago, I had to show a TV-card vendor (their card made a compliant computer fail Class B) the right way to do this. They were passing normal video through, and had apparently never TESTED in standby mode to see what interrupting shields with pigtails would do. I bundled all the video cab

Re: Chemical Compliance/Product Safety/EMC

2002-07-12 Thread Cortland Richmond
Joe Martin (marti...@appliedbiosystems.com) asked: >>Our company is planning on moving the Chemical Compliance Department from the Quality Systems Department to the Compliance Engineering Department (Product Safety/EMC). What do you see the advantages are in this restructuring?<< Depends if the

Re: Required: Ability to WHAT?

2002-07-09 Thread Cortland Richmond
Phooey! How DARE you bring my musings down to the prosaic probabilities of promiscuous spell checking? Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.e

Required: Ability to WHAT?

2002-07-09 Thread Cortland Richmond
I swear this is true. From job requirements for a job, on monster.com: ·Ability to research and interrupt Bellcore, ANSI, IEEE, NEMA, and JIC standards as applies to telecommunication and electrical equipment required. Cortland Richmond --- This

Re: Surge & EFT effects?

2002-09-24 Thread Cortland Richmond
Rick Busche wrote: >>Speaking of surge and EFT I have been looking into >>the real life performance of equipment installed >>in the field. My equipment is three phase ITE and >>is typically in operation in a "Heavy Industrial" >>environment previously defined in EN 50082-2. In >>particular this

Re: British fused plugs -

2002-09-23 Thread Cortland Richmond
As a victim of the older plug, I welcome such protection. At age 8, having been told that I could be hurt by sticking my finger in the receptacle, I of course had to try it, and am lucky to be alive. Cortland --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society P

RE: Question: Discharge capacitance 0.1 uF

2002-09-19 Thread Cortland Richmond
>> (the unplugging process may need to be repeated a few times until the capacitor is disconnected when the mains is high at the time of disconnection and so gets a "decent" charge!) << At a former employer, we monitored the wave form with a 'scope, and repeatedly opened and closed the connectio

Re: Need Help on Inner PCB plane for RF shielding in isolated circuit

2002-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
Chris, I had a thought, reading your message, that even a plain metal sheet, if it is close to a half wavelength across, has an RF hot spot in the middle. In that case, you must keep one side of the sheet (plane) cold, while the other is not. This means good grounds (UHF RF returns) at the edges.

Re: Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 20-Feb-02 13:38:27 MsgID: OUTBOX MgTo: Gabi Hoffknecht >INTERNET:gab...@simex.ca Subj: Re: Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor Hi, Gabi, I have a bad feeling about spark gaps on a board. There may be conductive material left on the boa

RE: Use of PCB Traces as Fuse and Voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
When do you need a fuse? Level II is the only time you are allowed to lose functionality, and the requirement for THAT is, it can't catch fire or explode. I've seen "trace fuses" tried. The problem comes after the trace blows. You are at the mercy of your board shop, and if you use a number of th

Re: Change in emc-pstc Software?

2002-02-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
Except... I (and other classic Compuserve users) won't see these messages at all, unless and until they appear in someone else's REPLY in a form Compuserve can send. It LOOKS great - but please don't send HTML to the list. Cortland --- This message is fro

RE: [URGENT] Need some information about NEBS..

2002-02-15 Thread Cortland Richmond
>> Your state that NEBS requires UL1950 safety testing. This may be true for CPE but not equipment sitting at the CO. Please correct if I am mistaken. << There's been a long wrangle but, yes, NEBS does now follow 60950. Some accommodations appear to have been necessary, as it's evident that clear

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