subject:"\[Emc\-users\] Code of Conduct"

I tried to post one of these "classic western signs"..  saying  ...   
"No scum allowed"   it needs moderator approval apprently.



but...    how about that?


Ron


On 7/18/21 10:54 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users wrote:

How about making it very simple, something like "Be excellent to each other."


 On Sunday, July 18, 2021, 1:58:54 PM MDT, R C  wrote:
  
  
On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?

Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 22:07 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:58 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > > > On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > > > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > > > > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
> > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > > > > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I really have no idea.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > > > > > important.   I
> > > > > > > asked more than once  and the response was
> > > > > > > "crickets".
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules
> > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > be explained.
> > > > > > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
> > > > > > > pretty.   If
> > > > > > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
> > > > > > > "cooperative
> > > > > > > effort"
> > > > > > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > > > > > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big
> > > > > > deal
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the
> > > > > > malicious
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
> > > > > > start.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > cases
> > > > > > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
> > > > > > objectively
> > > > > > tiny
> > > > > > set of additional rules for the common good.
> > > > > Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
> > > > > someone
> > > > > for
> > > > > others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> > > > > therefor
> > > > > not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S'
> > > > > storm
> > > > > you
> > > > > see going on here, and rightfully so.
> > > > You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that
> > > > rules
> > > > are
> > > > objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules
> > > > (compared
> > > > to
> > > > some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
> > > > And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
> > > > practice,
> > > > and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.
> > > You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more
> > > than
> > > just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up
> > > the
> > > meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English
> > > too,  it
> > > is
> > > my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.
> > > 
> > > (although I  actually have the impression that you're just
> > > spewing
> > > nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be
> > > too
> > > dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
> > > how
> > > language works.).
> > I wrote exactly the thing I had in mind and it is absolutely the
> > right
> > thing, the meaning is the same in italian and in english:
> 
> So it's nonsense in both languages...glad you figured that out by
> now.


It is nonsense only for you, for me that means you are functional
illiterate.

Enought said, back to work. My 3D printer is waiting.



> 
> 
> > https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-inglese/Oggettivamente
> > 
> > "
> > Oggettivamente è giustificabile, è corretto. -> Objectively this is
> > justifiable, it is correct.
> > 
> > Oggettivamente parlando, - ha un aspetto più virile. -> Objectively
> > speaking, he does appear more virile.
> > "
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
> > > > > > > decision.   It
> > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
> > > > > > > helpful!
> > > > > > > Tread lightly!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > > > > > humanity.
> > > > > > > Try and find something else you have done that has
> > > > > > > "helped
> > > > > > > humanity".
> > > > > > > That is BIG.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Lets not blow it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
> > > > > > > helped
> > > > > > > me
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > others with LCNC.
> > > > > > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> >

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-18 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users

How about making it very simple, something like "Be excellent to each other."


On Sunday, July 18, 2021, 1:58:54 PM MDT, R C  wrote:  
 
 
On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> enforce it, no?

Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago  
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct



On 7/18/21 9:58 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
happened
that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
"cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
objectively
tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.

Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
someone
for
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
therefor
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
you
see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.

You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than
just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the
meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
is
my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.

(although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing
nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too
dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
how
language works.).

I wrote exactly the thing I had in mind and it is absolutely the right
thing, the meaning is the same in italian and in english:


So it's nonsense in both languages...    glad you figured that out by now.




https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-inglese/Oggettivamente

"
Oggettivamente è giustificabile, è corretto. -> Objectively this is
justifiable, it is correct.

Oggettivamente parlando, - ha un aspetto più virile. -> Objectively
speaking, he does appear more virile.
"





Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
helped
me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
with
the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general
development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a
democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one
hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed
on
what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone
needs
to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh <
bodge...@gmail.com
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to
create
political
division and strife

No, I think that we

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct



On 7/18/21 9:52 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
happened
that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
"cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
objectively
tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.

Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
someone
for
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
therefor
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
you
see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.

You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than
just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the
meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
is
my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.

(although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing
nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too
dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
how
language works.).


The CoC is just an application of real world practices: it is like you
went visiting me at home, not only you have to follow the law, in
addition you have to follow my rules if you want to stay, and if you
start a flame against my rules it is sure that you cannot stay, because
I own the home and have the right to kick you out.


seriously,  you need to try  and read what it is you're trying to say,  
before you hit the send button, because again,  this is again just 
nonsense,  ...  word salad.








Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
helped
me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
with
the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general
development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a
democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one
hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed
on
what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone
needs
to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh <
bodge...@gmail.com
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to
create
political
division and strife

No,

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
> > > > > happened
> > > > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really have no idea.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > > > important.   I
> > > > > asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
> > > > > they
> > > > > can't
> > > > > be explained.
> > > > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
> > > > > pretty.   If
> > > > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
> > > > > "cooperative
> > > > > effort"
> > > > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > > > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
> > > > to
> > > > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
> > > > who
> > > > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
> > > > start.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
> > > > cases
> > > > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
> > > > objectively
> > > > tiny
> > > > set of additional rules for the common good.
> > > Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
> > > someone
> > > for
> > > others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> > > therefor
> > > not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
> > > you
> > > see going on here, and rightfully so.
> > You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
> > are
> > objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
> > to
> > some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
> > And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
> > practice,
> > and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.
> 
> You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than 
> just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the 
> meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
> is 
> my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.
> 
> (although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing 
> nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too 
> dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
> how 
> language works.).

I wrote exactly the thing I had in mind and it is absolutely the right
thing, the meaning is the same in italian and in english:

https://context.reverso.net/traduzione/italiano-inglese/Oggettivamente

"
Oggettivamente è giustificabile, è corretto. -> Objectively this is
justifiable, it is correct.

Oggettivamente parlando, - ha un aspetto più virile. -> Objectively
speaking, he does appear more virile. 
"


> 
> 
> > 
> > > > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
> > > > > decision.   It
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
> > > > > helpful!
> > > > > Tread lightly!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > > > humanity.
> > > > > Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
> > > > > humanity".
> > > > > That is BIG.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Lets not blow it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
> > > > > helped
> > > > > me
> > > > > and
> > > > > others with LCNC.
> > > > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > emails until we returned.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > obligation to comment.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > has been
> > > > > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
> > > > > > work to
> > > > > > develop the
> > > > > > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
> > > > > > will be
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > thankless job. Even more

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:33 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something
> > > > > happened
> > > > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > > > 
> > > > > I really have no idea.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > > > important.   I
> > > > > asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> > > > > 
> > > > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
> > > > > they
> > > > > can't
> > > > > be explained.
> > > > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't
> > > > > pretty.   If
> > > > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a
> > > > > "cooperative
> > > > > effort"
> > > > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > > > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal
> > > > to
> > > > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious
> > > > who
> > > > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even
> > > > start.
> > > > 
> > > > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some
> > > > cases
> > > > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an
> > > > objectively
> > > > tiny
> > > > set of additional rules for the common good.
> > > Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by
> > > someone
> > > for
> > > others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> > > therefor
> > > not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
> > > you
> > > see going on here, and rightfully so.
> > You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules
> > are
> > objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared
> > to
> > some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
> > And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in
> > practice,
> > and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.
> 
> You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than 
> just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the 
> meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it
> is 
> my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.
> 
> (although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing 
> nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too 
> dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not
> how 
> language works.).


The CoC is just an application of real world practices: it is like you
went visiting me at home, not only you have to follow the law, in
addition you have to follow my rules if you want to stay, and if you
start a flame against my rules it is sure that you cannot stay, because
I own the home and have the right to kick you out.



> 
> > 
> > > > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal
> > > > > decision.   It
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and
> > > > > helpful!
> > > > > Tread lightly!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > > > humanity.
> > > > > Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
> > > > > humanity".
> > > > > That is BIG.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Lets not blow it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have
> > > > > helped
> > > > > me
> > > > > and
> > > > > others with LCNC.
> > > > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > emails until we returned.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > obligation to comment.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > has been
> > > > > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event",
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the
> > > > > > work to
> > > > > > develop the
> > > > > > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
> > > > > > will be
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > thankless job. Even more thankless than general
> > > > > > development. :)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is my

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct



On 7/18/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened
that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively
tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.

Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by someone
for
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
therefor
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
you
see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.


You need to meticulously read what you just sent, possibly more than 
just once,  but please use a dictionary when you do, too look up the 
meaning of words like "objective"..   I had to learn English too,  it is 
my second language,  I know it can be hard at times.


(although I  actually have the impression that you're just spewing 
nonsense, and when someone calls you on it, you claim them to be too 
dumb and not actually understand what it is you said. That is not how 
language works.).









Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped
me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on
what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs
to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
wendt.m...@gmail.com>
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh 
On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
political
division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never
Jeff's

intention.

--
atp


It may not have been his intention but it certainly has
turned
the group
into just that.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 21:16 -0600, R C wrote:
> On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened
> > > that
> > > was
> > > not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> > > Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> > > 
> > > I really have no idea.
> > > 
> > > No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> > > important.   I
> > > asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> > > 
> > > Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> > > 
> > > I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when
> > > they
> > > can't
> > > be explained.
> > > You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If
> > > someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
> > > effort"
> > > between a number of very intelligent folks.
> > I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
> > follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
> > thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.
> > 
> > Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
> > intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively
> > tiny
> > set of additional rules for the common good.
> 
> Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by someone
> for 
> others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and
> therefor 
> not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm
> you 
> see going on here, and rightfully so.

You are again misunderstanding my words: I didn't say that rules are
objective, I said it is an objectively tiny set of rules (compared to
some other CoC like the Sourceforge one and the W3C one).
And yes, who runs the project has admin rights and owns it in practice,
and has the right to issue rules for others to follow.


> 
> 
> > 
> > > Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
> > > doesn't
> > > take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
> > > Tread lightly!
> > > 
> > > I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped
> > > humanity.
> > > Try and find something else you have done that has "helped
> > > humanity".
> > > That is BIG.
> > > 
> > > Lets not blow it.
> > > 
> > > Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped
> > > me
> > > and
> > > others with LCNC.
> > > I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> > > 
> > > Dave
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > 
> > > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > didn't
> > > > check
> > > > emails until we returned.
> > > > 
> > > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > > > the
> > > > obligation to comment.
> > > > 
> > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > list
> > > > has been
> > > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > > > appropriate.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
> > > > develop the
> > > > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it
> > > > will be
> > > > a
> > > > thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)
> > > > 
> > > > It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less
> > > > interesting
> > > > than the
> > > > maytag repairman job.
> > > > 
> > > > thank you Jeff for your attention and work
> > > > 
> > > > Stuart
> > > > 
> > > > I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a
> > > > project.
> > > > He is
> > > > thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his
> > > > thought
> > > > pattern.
> > > > :)
> > > > 
> > > > My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
> > > > vote would
> > > > fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
> > > > people
> > > > walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on
> > > > what
> > > > to eat
> > > > and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs
> > > > to
> > > > eat. Not
> > > > pleasant.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt <
> > > > wendt.m...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  > > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
> > > > > > > political
> > > > > > > division and strife
> > > > > > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never
> > > > > > Jeff's
> > > > > intention.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > atp
> > > > > > 
> > > > > It may not have been his intention but it certainly has
> > >

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct



On 7/18/21 9:08 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened that
was
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
important.   I
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".

Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when they
can't
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.

Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
effort"
between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.


Rules about conduct are never objective, they are created by someone for 
others, and for a purpose that that  CoC writer prefers, and therefor 
not objective, but subjective.  Hence the ongoing 'class S' storm you 
see going on here, and rightfully so.







Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
doesn't
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped me
and
others with LCNC.
I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be
a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting
than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project.
He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought
pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on what
to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs to
eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt 
wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh 
wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
political
division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's

intention.

--
atp


It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned
the group
into just that.

Mark

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sat, 2021-07-17 at 16:33 -0400, Dave Cole wrote:
> I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened that
> was 
> not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?
> Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?
> 
> I really have no idea.
> 
> No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is
> important.   I 
> asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".
> 
> Personally, I don't see the need for it.
> 
> I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when they
> can't 
> be explained.
> You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If 
> someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.
> 
> Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative
> effort" 
> between a number of very intelligent folks.

I only write here occasionally, and really it isn't a big deal to
follow the CoC, it even might learn something to the malicious who
thinks this list is a good place to do trolling: don't even start.

Sincerely there is very intelligent people here, but in some cases
intelligence falls short when it comes to abide to an objectively tiny
set of additional rules for the common good.


> Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It
> doesn't 
> take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!
> Tread lightly!
> 
> I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped humanity.
> Try and find something else you have done that has "helped humanity".
> That is BIG.
> 
> Lets not blow it.
> 
> Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped me
> and 
> others with LCNC.
> I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > WOW - I missed it all!
> > 
> > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> > check
> > emails until we returned.
> > 
> > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> > obligation to comment.
> > 
> > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > has been
> > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> > 
> > I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
> > develop the
> > COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.
> > 
> > I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be
> > a
> > thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)
> > 
> > It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting
> > than the
> > maytag repairman job.
> > 
> > thank you Jeff for your attention and work
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project.
> > He is
> > thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought
> > pattern.
> > :)
> > 
> > My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic
> > vote would
> > fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
> > people
> > walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on what
> > to eat
> > and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs to
> > eat. Not
> > pleasant.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create
> > > > > political
> > > > > division and strife
> > > > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's
> > > intention.
> > > > --
> > > > atp
> > > > 
> > > It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned
> > > the group
> > > into just that.
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-18 Thread Phill Carter

> On 19 Jul 2021, at 7:13 am, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:17:31 Mark Wendt wrote:
> 
>> It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
>> everything included in the Code?
>> 
>> Mark
> 
> No Mark, I don't, and the reason has been discussed to death. I am a CET, 
> and when I read of someone violating a basic electrical assembly rule 
> because they are mechanical, not electronicly minded, I feel obligated 
> to try and enlighten, which could be construed as offering too much 
> help. And that is against the CoC as it exists. Remove that, and the 
> rest becomes a non-issue, so why have it in the list at all. Quite 
> simply, we don't need it, any of it.

I thought that had been removed.


> 
> I've been here for 18 years under 2 or 3 names, and my only entanglment 
> has been with Seb, who doesn't like a jpeg image sharp enough to show 
> the problem.  Sure, I run everything I post thru gimp, smunchng it until 
> I start to see jpeg artifacts. But that limit means they must be below 
> 200k raw because the base64 used for images in email expands it. I can 
> make any image good at half a meg base64'd, but the jpeg artifacts get 
> pretty obvious below 200k. So I don't post where one pix is better than 
> 1000 words.
> [...]
> 
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Honestly, i do. Read it again. I think it's been changed because it's not
really that bad. It literally just says don't be a d-bag. I didn't
sidestep, I just don't see why I should get deeper into it. I don't let
petty matters bother me. It's just an email list for a free piece of
software. Don't let it spoil your whole day.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 6:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> And you sidestepped my question yet again.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:21 Feral Engineer 
> wrote:
>
> > I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
> > fish to fry in the world these days.
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> >
> > > I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with
> everything
> > > in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily
> mean
> > > its good.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of
> the
> > > > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be
> > > handled
> > > > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding
> > into
> > > > it negatively.
> > > >
> > > > Phil T.
> > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > >
> > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > > > > everything included in the Code?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer <
> > theferalengin...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of
> discussion.
> > > > > Simply
> > > > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Phil T.
> > > > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics
> at
> > > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the
> > vast
> > > > > > majority
> > > > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering
> > > everybody
> > > > > > makes
> > > > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so
> > than
> > > > it
> > > > > > > already is?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson <
> stus...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > > > > grandfathered
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed
> to
> > > work
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement
> to
> > be
> > > > > bound
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > > > > participants.
> > > > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary
> > > participant
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report
> offenders.
> > > > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> > > > hiding
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think
> > > and I
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett <
> > > ghesk...@shentel.net
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know
> > if
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > is a
>

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-18 Thread fxkl47BF via Emc-users

On Sunday, July 18th, 2021 at 4:18 PM, Feral Engineer 
 wrote:

> I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
> fish to fry in the world these days.
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer

exactly, it's not like we were given a choice, so why bother


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

Because this topic is pretty darned important to a good number of people on
this list, has yet to be resolved and we've heard no answers or reasons why
it was initiated in the first place with no discussion with long time list
members.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:25 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> Agreed, Gene but my goodness, this topic is being beaten to death. All I
> want to do is build machines and help others so the same.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:20 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote:
> >
> > > The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Exactly Phil, although I don't mind  a side detour that lets me know how
> > others think.
> >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:
> > > > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > > > Snort. That works so well.
> > > >
> > > > It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part
> > > > that was of interest.
> > > >
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> > > > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone
> > > > >>> needs to enforce it, no?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Mark
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >  Who is the sheriff?
> > > > 
> > > >  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > 
> > > >  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > > > >
> > > > > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> WOW - I missed it all!
> > > > >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > > >> didn't
> > > > >>
> > > > >> check
> > > > >>
> > > > >> emails until we returned.
> > > > >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > > > >> the obligation to comment.
> > > > >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > > >> list has
> > > > 
> > > >  been
> > > > 
> > > > >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > > > >
> > > > > appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

And you sidestepped my question yet again.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 17:21 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
> fish to fry in the world these days.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything
> > in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean
> > its good.
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
> > > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be
> > handled
> > > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding
> into
> > > it negatively.
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > > > everything included in the Code?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer <
> theferalengin...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > > > Simply
> > > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil T.
> > > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > > >
> > > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > > >
> > > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the
> vast
> > > > > majority
> > > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering
> > everybody
> > > > > makes
> > > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so
> than
> > > it
> > > > > > already is?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > > > grandfathered
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to
> > work
> > > > > under
> > > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to
> be
> > > > bound
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > > > participants.
> > > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary
> > participant
> > > > by
> > > > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> > > hiding
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think
> > and I
> > > > can
> > > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > > > regards
> > > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett <
> > ghesk...@shentel.net
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know
> if
> > > > there
> > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on
> > the
> > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > > > respectable.
> > > > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
>

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-18 Thread ken.strauss

Indeed! Two (or even many wrongs don't make a right.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Wendt  
Sent: July 18, 2021 5:12 PM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything in
it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean its
good.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the 
> admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be 
> handled by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop 
> feeding into it negatively.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at 
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with 
> > everything included in the Code?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > Simply
> > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > >
> > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics 
> > > at www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the 
> > > > vast
> > > majority
> > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering 
> > > > everybody
> > > makes
> > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so 
> > > > than
> it
> > > > already is?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > grandfathered
> > > in
> > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to 
> > > > > work
> > > under
> > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to 
> > > > > be
> > bound
> > > > by
> > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > participants.
> > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary 
> > > > > participant
> > by
> > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> hiding
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing) You cannot 
> > > > > imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I
> > can
> > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > regards
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> > > > >  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know 
> > > > > > if
> > there
> > > > is a
> > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone 
> > > > > > > > > on the
> > > list
> > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, 
> > > > > > > > > "a non-event", is
> > > > &g

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-18 Thread Bari


On 7/18/21 4:22 PM, Feral Engineer wrote:


this topic is being beaten to death

It would not happen here if the the squeaky wheel didn't get the grease.


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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

Agreed, Gene but my goodness, this topic is being beaten to death. All I
want to do is build machines and help others so the same.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:20 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote:
>
> > The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
>
> Exactly Phil, although I don't mind  a side detour that lets me know how
> others think.
>
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:
> > > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > > Snort. That works so well.
> > >
> > > It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part
> > > that was of interest.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> > > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone
> > > >>> needs to enforce it, no?
> > > >>
> > > >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> > > >>
> > > >>> Mark
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >  Who is the sheriff?
> > > 
> > >  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > 
> > >  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > > >
> > > > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> WOW - I missed it all!
> > > >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > > >> didn't
> > > >>
> > > >> check
> > > >>
> > > >> emails until we returned.
> > > >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > > >> the obligation to comment.
> > > >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > >> list has
> > > 
> > >  been
> > > 
> > > >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > > >
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

I honestly just think you're reading into it way too deeply. Way bigger
fish to fry in the world these days.

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 5:14 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything
> in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean
> its good.
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
> wrote:
>
> > i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
> > admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be
> handled
> > by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into
> > it negatively.
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> >
> > > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > > everything included in the Code?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > > Simply
> > > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > > >
> > > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > > >
> > > > Phil T.
> > > > The Feral Engineer
> > > >
> > > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> > > > majority
> > > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering
> everybody
> > > > makes
> > > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than
> > it
> > > > > already is?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > > grandfathered
> > > > in
> > > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to
> work
> > > > under
> > > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be
> > > bound
> > > > > by
> > > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > > participants.
> > > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary
> participant
> > > by
> > > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> > hiding
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think
> and I
> > > can
> > > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > > regards
> > > > > > Stuart
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett <
> ghesk...@shentel.net
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if
> > > there
> > > > > is a
> > > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on
> the
> > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > > respectable.
> > > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you
> > to
> > > > read
> > > > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without
> > > > saving
> > > > > or
> > > > > > reading, and cease and desist from

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:58:02 Feral Engineer wrote:

> The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer

Exactly Phil, although I don't mind  a side detour that lets me know how 
others think.

> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:
> > On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > > Snort. That works so well.
> >
> > It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part
> > that was of interest.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> > >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone
> > >>> needs to enforce it, no?
> > >>
> > >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> > >>
> > >>> Mark
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> >
> > wrote:
> >  Who is the sheriff?
> > 
> >  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > 
> >  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > >
> > > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> WOW - I missed it all!
> > >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I
> > >> didn't
> > >>
> > >> check
> > >>
> > >> emails until we returned.
> > >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with
> > >> the obligation to comment.
> > >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > >> list has
> > 
> >  been
> > 
> > >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > >
> > > appropriate.
> > >
> > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Emc-users mailing list
> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > 
> >  ___
> >  Emc-users mailing list
> >  Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > >>>
> > >>> ___
> > >>> Emc-users mailing list
> > >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> Emc-users mailing list
> > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Emc-users mailing list
> > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >
> > ___
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> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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>
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 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

On Sunday 18 July 2021 16:17:31 Mark Wendt wrote:

> It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> everything included in the Code?
>
> Mark

No Mark, I don't, and the reason has been discussed to death. I am a CET, 
and when I read of someone violating a basic electrical assembly rule 
because they are mechanical, not electronicly minded, I feel obligated 
to try and enlighten, which could be construed as offering too much 
help. And that is against the CoC as it exists. Remove that, and the 
rest becomes a non-issue, so why have it in the list at all. Quite 
simply, we don't need it, any of it.

I've been here for 18 years under 2 or 3 names, and my only entanglment 
has been with Seb, who doesn't like a jpeg image sharp enough to show 
the problem.  Sure, I run everything I post thru gimp, smunchng it until 
I start to see jpeg artifacts. But that limit means they must be below 
200k raw because the base64 used for images in email expands it. I can 
make any image good at half a meg base64'd, but the jpeg artifacts get 
pretty obvious below 200k. So I don't post where one pix is better than 
1000 words.
[...]

No Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

Prezackly.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 R C  wrote:

>
> On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > Snort. That works so well.
>
> It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part that
> was of interest.
>
> Ron
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> >>> enforce it, no?
> >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Who is the sheriff?
> 
>  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
>  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> WOW - I missed it all!
> >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> >> check
> >> emails until we returned.
> >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> >> obligation to comment.
> >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
>  been
> >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > Emc-users mailing list
> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >
>  ___
>  Emc-users mailing list
>  Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> 
> >>> ___
> >>> Emc-users mailing list
> >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Emc-users mailing list
> >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >>
> > ___
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> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

I didn't ask if it was commonplace. I asked if you agreed with everything
in it. Just because something may be commonplace doesn't necessarily mean
its good.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 16:34 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
> admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be handled
> by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into
> it negatively.
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> > everything included in the Code?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> > Simply
> > > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> > >
> > > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> > >
> > > Phil T.
> > > The Feral Engineer
> > >
> > > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> > > majority
> > > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody
> > > makes
> > > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than
> it
> > > > already is?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> > grandfathered
> > > in
> > > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work
> > > under
> > > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be
> > bound
> > > > by
> > > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> > participants.
> > > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant
> > by
> > > > > participant basis.
> > > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences
> hiding
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > weeds. :)
> > > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I
> > can
> > > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > > regards
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if
> > there
> > > > is a
> > > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > > list
> > > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > > respectable.
> > > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you
> to
> > > read
> > > > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without
> > > saving
> > > > or
> > > > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
> > > > > correspondence.
> > > > > Thank you for honoring my wish.
> > > > >
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> > >

Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

The only control I'm worried about on this email list is CNC control

Phil T.
The Feral Engineer

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:34 PM R C  wrote:

>
> On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > Snort. That works so well.
>
> It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part that
> was of interest.
>
> Ron
>
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> >>> Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> >>> enforce it, no?
> >> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
> >>
> >>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson 
> wrote:
> >>>
>  Who is the sheriff?
> 
>  On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
>  emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> WOW - I missed it all!
> >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> >> check
> >> emails until we returned.
> >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> >> obligation to comment.
> >> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
>  been
> >> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
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> > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
> >
>  ___
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> >>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct


for what it is worth:


I have been on and off this list for a good long whle, mostly lurking (I 
first signed up probably a decade ago, probably different email addr)



What I never saw happen, accept on rare occassions, is getting a 
"personal" email from another member.


Now I am get half a dozen to a dozen a day. So that CoC has two side 
effects, already, it seems.



1] Directly emailing each other about things that could be on the list, 
but also not really  BUT also


2] The amount of "social interaction", things that don't necessarily 
have to do with CNC. I must say, I got to know several people quite a 
bit better, so that is good



:)


Hey what about an ethics list of something?   let's see what that does.


Ron


On 7/18/21 2:23 PM, Bari wrote:

On 7/18/21 1:08 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

Whomever has admin, Op, kick, ban, etc. etc. status for the mail list, 
IRC, forums. wiki, etc.etc.



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On 7/18/21 2:18 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Snort. That works so well.


It working well  was never the intention,  it's the "control" part that 
was of interest.


Ron



On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:


On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?

Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago



Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:


On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
stus...@gmail.com> wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!
My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't

check

emails until we returned.
Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.
The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has

been

doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is

appropriate.

it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you



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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

i just glanced at it again, it's pretty commonplace. Unless all of the
admins all agree to enforce the code, it's pretty much going to be handled
by an army of one and forgotten about the second people stop feeding into
it negatively.

Phil T.
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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 4:20 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
> everything included in the Code?
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
> wrote:
>
> > I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion.
> Simply
> > put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
> >
> > Back to vinyl siding for me...
> >
> > Phil T.
> > The Feral Engineer
> >
> > Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> > www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
> >
> > Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> > www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
> >
> > > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> > majority
> > > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody
> > makes
> > > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
> > > already is?
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Gentlemen,
> > > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be
> grandfathered
> > in
> > > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work
> > under
> > > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be
> bound
> > > by
> > > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new
> participants.
> > > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant
> by
> > > > participant basis.
> > > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding
> in
> > > the
> > > > weeds. :)
> > > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I
> can
> > > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > > regards
> > > > Stuart
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > > >
> > > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if
> there
> > > is a
> > > > > designated sheriff.
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> > list
> > > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > > >
> > > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > > --
> > > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > > respectable.
> > > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > > Genes Web page 
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to
> > read
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> > > or
> > > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-18 Thread Bari


On 7/18/21 1:08 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

Whomever has admin, Op, kick, ban, etc. etc. status for the mail list, 
IRC, forums. wiki, etc.etc.



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Snort. That works so well.

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:59 R C  wrote:

>
> On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
> > Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
> > enforce it, no?
>
> Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago
>
>
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> >> Who is the sheriff?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> >>> stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  WOW - I missed it all!
>  My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> check
>  emails until we returned.
>  Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
>  obligation to comment.
>  The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
> >> been
>  doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> >>> appropriate.
> >>>
> >>> it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

It's still a topic because the Code is still up. Do you agree with
everything included in the Code?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 15:47 Feral Engineer 
wrote:

> I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. Simply
> put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.
>
> Back to vinyl siding for me...
>
> Phil T.
> The Feral Engineer
>
> Check out my LinuxCNC tutorials, machine builds and other antics at
> www.youtube.com/c/theferalengineer
>
> Help support my channel efforts and coffee addiction:
> www.patreon.com/theferalengineer
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:
>
> > Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast
> majority
> > of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody
> makes
> > the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
> > already is?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> > > Gentlemen,
> > > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered
> in
> > > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work
> under
> > > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound
> > by
> > > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
> > > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
> > > participant basis.
> > > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in
> > the
> > > weeds. :)
> > > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
> > > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > > regards
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > > >
> > > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there
> > is a
> > > > designated sheriff.
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the
> list
> > > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > appropriate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > > >
> > > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > > --
> > > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> > respectable.
> > > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > > Genes Web page 
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to
> read
> > > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without
> saving
> > or
> > > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
> > > correspondence.
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> > >
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On 7/18/21 1:22 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:

Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?


Nah,  it could be done like gun control in Chicago



Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


Who is the sheriff?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:


On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
stus...@gmail.com> wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!
My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.
Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.
The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has

been

doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is

appropriate.

it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you



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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

I find it hard to believe that this is still a topic of discussion. Simply
put, just don't be a jerk. Done. Move on with your day.

Back to vinyl siding for me...

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On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 3:29 PM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast majority
> of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody makes
> the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
> already is?
>
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
>
> > Gentlemen,
> > Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in
> > with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under
> > any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound
> by
> > the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
> > Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
> > participant basis.
> > I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> > There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in
> the
> > weeds. :)
> > Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> > You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
> > type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> > regards
> > Stuart
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Who is the sheriff?
> > > >
> > > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there
> is a
> > > designated sheriff.
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > > [...]
> > > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > > non-event", is
> > > > >
> > > > > appropriate.
> > > > >
> > > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> > >
> > > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > > --
> > > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> > >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
> respectable.
> > >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > > Genes Web page 
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Addressee is the intended audience.
> > If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read
> > this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving
> or
> > reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
> > correspondence.
> > Thank you for honoring my wish.
> >
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Since we're not signing up new members by the dozens, and the vast majority
of the group has been on this list for ages, grandfathering everybody makes
the CoC rather pointless don't you think? Perhaps even more so than it
already is?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:39 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> Gentlemen,
> Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in
> with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under
> any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound by
> the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
> Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
> participant basis.
> I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
> There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in the
> weeds. :)
> Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
> You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
> type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
> regards
> Stuart
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:
>
> > On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> >
> > > Who is the sheriff?
> > >
> > I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there is a
> > designated sheriff.
> >
> > > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> > [...]
> > > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > > non-event", is
> > > >
> > > > appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> > No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> > --
> > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
> >  - Louis D. Brandeis
> > Genes Web page 
> >
>
>
> --
> Addressee is the intended audience.
> If you are not the addressee then my consent is not given for you to read
> this email furthermore it is my wish you would close this without saving or
> reading, and cease and desist from saving or opening my private
> correspondence.
> Thank you for honoring my wish.
>
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Whoever decided we somehow needed a Code of Conduct. Someone needs to
enforce it, no?

Mark

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 14:11 Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> Who is the sheriff?
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> > stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > WOW - I missed it all!
> > > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> > > emails until we returned.
> > > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> > > obligation to comment.
> > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
> been
> > > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
> >
> >
> >
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2021-07-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson

Gentlemen,
Heh - seems to me a LARGE portion of the group should be grandfathered in
with any COC not applying to participants not having agreed to work under
any COC restrictions or guidelines. Going forward agreement to be bound by
the COC could be made a part of the process welcoming new participants.
Retroactive agreement could be agreed to on a voluntary participant by
participant basis.
I don't recall seeing a complaint process to report offenders.
There could possibly be a couple more unintended consequences hiding in the
weeds. :)
Just thinking out loud (or thinking while typing)
You cannot imagine how long it took to type this. I can think and I can
type but combining the two abuses my backspace button.
regards
Stuart

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 1:23 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:
>
> > Who is the sheriff?
> >
> I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there is a
> designated sheriff.
>
> > On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
> [...]
> > > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > > non-event", is
> > >
> > > appropriate.
> > >
> > > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
>
> No Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
>

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On Sunday 18 July 2021 14:08:02 Stuart Stevenson wrote:

> Who is the sheriff?
>
I guess it was Jeff Epler who wrote it up, but I don't know if there is a 
designated sheriff. 

> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
[...]
> > > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list
> > > has been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a
> > > non-event", is
> >
> > appropriate.
> >
> > it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you

No Cheers, Gene Heskett
-- 
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 


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2021-07-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson

Who is the sheriff?

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021, 9:37 AM fxkl47BF via Emc-users <
emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson <
> stus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > WOW - I missed it all!
> > My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> > emails until we returned.
> > Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> > obligation to comment.
> > The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has been
> > doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> appropriate.
>
> it's "a non-event" until the sheriff bans you
>
>
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2021-07-18 Thread fxkl47BF via Emc-users

On Saturday, July 17th, 2021 at 12:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson  
wrote:

> WOW - I missed it all!
> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> emails until we returned.
> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> obligation to comment.
> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has been
> doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is appropriate.

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2021-07-18 Thread Mark

So, everything is just wonderful and comes up roses if you like and 
agree with everything that was included in this CoC.  And if anyone 
disagrees with some of the inclusions, they're just being stupid.  Yeah, 
that's one way to run a listserv.



Mark

On 7/17/21 2:04 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:

Yes, I just stumbled on this too.   What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains
a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
to agree.   Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?

Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.   (If
your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
reader.)



On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.




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On Sunday 18 July 2021 05:38:22 Peter Blodow wrote:

> Nikolaus:
>
> Aurea prima sata est aetas,
> quae vindice nullo,
> sponte sua,
> sine lege
> fidem rectumque colebat.
>
> (Publius Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses)
>
> *This was the Golden Age that, **
> **without coercion, **
> **without laws, **
> **spontaneously nurtured **
> **the good and the true.*
>
>
> Let's try to get back to the Golden Age!
> Peter

+100 Peter.

> Am 18.07.2021 um 10:07 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:
> > Oh yes ... and to not disturb the policemen any more I asked for my
> > forum account to be deleted (which thankfully was done) and
> > unsubscribe from the lists. Let the policemen guide your steps, the
> > community will definitly prosper!
> >
> > Nik
> >
> > Anno domini 2021 Sat, 17 Jul 22:43:30 -0600
> >   R C scripsit:
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On Saturday 17 July 2021 13:28:33 Stuart Stevenson wrote:

> WOW - I missed it all!
>
Stuart , PM incuded because the list seems to be abandoned by the major 
responders.

You missed what should have been a tempest in a teapot. That CoC was 
apparently done without a prior annuncement, by Jeff Epler. It generated 
quite a bit of blowback as you've read by now.

And now the exodus has begub with the leaving of Dr Klepp.

> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't
> check emails until we returned.
>
> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> obligation to comment.
>
> The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has
> been doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is
> appropriate.
>
> I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to
> develop the COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

> I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be a
> thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)
>
> It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting than
> the maytag repairman job.

So do I, but Jeff has since posted that rule is not that important for 
this list.

"I see a number of reasonable folks here concerned about how this rule
would be interpreted and applied, and I don't mind seeing it removed."

I /think/ he was refering to one specific rule.

> thank you Jeff for your attention and work
>
> Stuart
>
> I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project. He
> is thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought
> pattern.
>
> :)
>
> My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic vote
> would fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred
> people walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on
> what to eat and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone
> needs to eat. Not pleasant.

All too true.

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt  
wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> > > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > > > division and strife
> > >
> > > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's
> >
> > intention.
> >
> > > --
> > > atp
> >
> > It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned the
> > group into just that.
> >
> > Mark

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2021-07-18 Thread Peter Blodow


Nikolaus:

Aurea prima sata est aetas,
quae vindice nullo,
sponte sua,
sine lege
fidem rectumque colebat.

(Publius Ovidius Naso, Metamorphoses)

*This was the Golden Age that, **
**without coercion, **
**without laws, **
**spontaneously nurtured **
**the good and the true.*


Let's try to get back to the Golden Age!
Peter


Am 18.07.2021 um 10:07 schrieb Dr. Nikolaus Klepp:

Oh yes ... and to not disturb the policemen any more I asked for my forum 
account to be deleted (which thankfully was done) and unsubscribe from the 
lists. Let the policemen guide your steps, the community will definitly prosper!

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Sat, 17 Jul 22:43:30 -0600
  R C scripsit:




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2021-07-18 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp

Oh yes ... and to not disturb the policemen any more I asked for my forum 
account to be deleted (which thankfully was done) and unsubscribe from the 
lists. Let the policemen guide your steps, the community will definitly prosper!

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Sat, 17 Jul 22:43:30 -0600
 R C scripsit:
> Oh come on, don't be so negative, this CoC thing is not really a bad 
> thing,  that is what I think by now ..   it is starting to look like it 
> is working after a few weeks.
> 
> 
> I have been included in some "spin of's" from threads that die out on 
> the list itself, or didn't even make it there, and some EMC users 
> amongst themselves keep chatting outside the list, in sort of a EMC sub 
> CC-list, directly.
> 
> 
> Maybe that is just the noise the CoC wants to get rid of to begin with, 
> right?  who wants that?  right? the general 
> CNC/maching/tips/ovrbearing-help  I even was included in a few threads 
> in EMC topics, I didn't even see on the mailing list. as in "hey did you 
> see this?"  "check this out",   etc...
> 
> That is a good thing,  that way no one gets offended by seeing a mailing 
> list topic they didn't expect,  without a trigger warning,  or sees 
> unexpected CNC topics they are not interested in. It is really cool to 
> see how considerate a bunch of people have become in no time,  by not to 
> just include everybody on new cool stuff for no apparent reason.
> 
> I think it's a good thing, it looks it is very considerate, that some 
> responsible list members send email to others with subjects starting 
> with "[Emc-user]" (see it?) first  than actual immediately to 
> [Emc-users] list,  that way no one gets offende or so by unexpected 
> Linux-CNC topics. etc ...
> 
> 
> I think this CoC thing might actually really be on to something,   
> something more.. "refined" more considerate,  more thoughtful ...   ... 
> something I never thought of really ...     like, for example, one 
> should not just include everyone, in some CNC or linuxcnc topic,  
> blattantently assuming they might like it. Since this is a technical, 
> CNC, linuxcnc group,  one should be aware that not everyone in the 
> "linuxcnc" mailing list is interested in every linuxcnc topic...   that 
> would be assumptious, offensive and wrong.   keep it up guys,   I think 
> it is great and really going somewhere!!
> 
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> So yeah   *lolo*   god job
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/17/21 9:31 PM, Scott Harwell via Emc-users wrote:
> >   I prefer the term "Special" to stupid.
> >
> > I'm not "Special" enough to believe that the "COC" will help anything or 
> > anyone.
> > Scott
> >
> >  On Saturday, July 17, 2021, 1:05:37 PM CDT, Chris Albertson 
> >  wrote:
> >   
> >   Yes, I just stumbled on this too.  What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains
> > a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
> > stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
> > to agree.  Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?
> >
> > Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.  (If
> > your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
> > reader.)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
> >
> >> WOW - I missed it all!
> >>
> >> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> >> emails until we returned.
> >>
> >> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> >> obligation to comment.
> >>
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2021-07-17 Thread R C

Oh come on, don't be so negative, this CoC thing is not really a bad 
thing,  that is what I think by now ..   it is starting to look like it 
is working after a few weeks.



I have been included in some "spin of's" from threads that die out on 
the list itself, or didn't even make it there, and some EMC users 
amongst themselves keep chatting outside the list, in sort of a EMC sub 
CC-list, directly.



Maybe that is just the noise the CoC wants to get rid of to begin with, 
right?  who wants that?  right? the general 
CNC/maching/tips/ovrbearing-help  I even was included in a few threads 
in EMC topics, I didn't even see on the mailing list. as in "hey did you 
see this?"  "check this out",   etc...


That is a good thing,  that way no one gets offended by seeing a mailing 
list topic they didn't expect,  without a trigger warning,  or sees 
unexpected CNC topics they are not interested in. It is really cool to 
see how considerate a bunch of people have become in no time,  by not to 
just include everybody on new cool stuff for no apparent reason.


I think it's a good thing, it looks it is very considerate, that some 
responsible list members send email to others with subjects starting 
with "[Emc-user]" (see it?) first  than actual immediately to 
[Emc-users] list,  that way no one gets offende or so by unexpected 
Linux-CNC topics. etc ...



I think this CoC thing might actually really be on to something,   
something more.. "refined" more considerate,  more thoughtful ...   ... 
something I never thought of really ...     like, for example, one 
should not just include everyone, in some CNC or linuxcnc topic,  
blattantently assuming they might like it. Since this is a technical, 
CNC, linuxcnc group,  one should be aware that not everyone in the 
"linuxcnc" mailing list is interested in every linuxcnc topic...   that 
would be assumptious, offensive and wrong.   keep it up guys,   I think 
it is great and really going somewhere!!



Ron





So yeah   *lolo*   god job



On 7/17/21 9:31 PM, Scott Harwell via Emc-users wrote:

  I prefer the term "Special" to stupid.

I'm not "Special" enough to believe that the "COC" will help anything or anyone.
Scott

 On Saturday, July 17, 2021, 1:05:37 PM CDT, Chris Albertson 
 wrote:
  
  Yes, I just stumbled on this too.  What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains

a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
to agree.  Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?

Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.  (If
your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
reader.)



On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:


WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.




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2021-07-17 Thread Scott Harwell via Emc-users

 I prefer the term "Special" to stupid. 

I'm not "Special" enough to believe that the "COC" will help anything or anyone.
Scott

On Saturday, July 17, 2021, 1:05:37 PM CDT, Chris Albertson 
 wrote:  

 Yes, I just stumbled on this too.  What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains
a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
to agree.  Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?

Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.  (If
your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
reader.)

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> WOW - I missed it all!
>
> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> emails until we returned.
>
> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> obligation to comment.
>
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2021-07-17 Thread Dave Cole

I missed the beginning as well, but I think something happened that was 
not on this email list that prompted the COC stuff ?

Perhaps it was an attempt to prevent a future issue!?

I really have no idea.

No one has ever explained why it was written or why it is important.   I 
asked more than once  and the response was "crickets".


Personally, I don't see the need for it.

I'm not big into making up or accepting additional rules when they can't 
be explained.
You saw the results of this "non-event".   It wasn't pretty.   If 
someone thinks this is needed.  Pipe up and say why.


Anyway, I think we need to remember that LCNC is a "cooperative effort" 
between a number of very intelligent folks.
Being "cooperative" and "helpful" is a personal decision.   It doesn't 
take much to cause people to "not be" cooperative and helpful!

Tread lightly!

I think that LCNC has been a huge success and has helped humanity.
Try and find something else you have done that has "helped humanity".
That is BIG.

Lets not blow it.

Again, I want to thank those folks on this list who have helped me and 
others with LCNC.

I really appreciate your efforts!  :-)

Dave


On 7/17/2021 1:28 PM, Stuart Stevenson wrote:

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project. He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on what to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs to eat. Not
pleasant.





On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt  wrote:


On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  wrote:


On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:


Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's

intention.

--
atp


It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned the group
into just that.

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2021-07-17 Thread Chris Albertson

Yes, I just stumbled on this too.   What pointless junk.  Whoever maintains
a list can have whatever rules he likes.  Mostly the rules are "don't be
stupid"  Then some guy complains "But I LIKE being stupid." and others seem
to agree.   Can't they all find a back channel to argue on?

Block the topic on your mail reader, and you will never see it again.   (If
your mail reader can't block topics and senders, get a different mail
reader.)

On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 10:31 AM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> WOW - I missed it all!
>
> My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
> emails until we returned.
>
> Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
> obligation to comment.
>
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2021-07-17 Thread Stuart Stevenson

WOW - I missed it all!

My wife and I left 24 Jun 2021 and returned 07 Jul 2021. I didn't check
emails until we returned.

Seems to me a lot of people confuse the right to comment with the
obligation to comment.

The COC appears to be a compilation of what everyone on the list has been
doing all along. Therefore, Jeff's comment, "a non-event", is appropriate.

I don't know what triggered the need for putting in the work to develop the
COC but I trust Jeff has identified the need.

I don't know who/what is going to be the COC sheriff but it will be a
thankless job. Even more thankless than general development. :)

It is my hope the job of COC sheriff is somewhat less interesting than the
maytag repairman job.

thank you Jeff for your attention and work

Stuart

I was encouraged when I saw Valerio comment about making a project. He is
thinking about getting back to work. We should follow his thought pattern.
:)

My only negative feeling was when it was suggested a democratic vote would
fix it. Democracy is mob rule - nothing else. It is one hundred people
walking into a restaurant and waiting until 51 have agreed on what to eat
and then everyone has to eat what the 51 decided everyone needs to eat. Not
pleasant.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:48 AM Mark Wendt  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> >
> > > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > > division and strife
> >
> > No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's
> intention.
> >
> > --
> > atp
> >
>
> It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned the group
> into just that.
>
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2021-07-13 Thread Mark Wendt

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021 at 6:07 AM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
>
> > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > division and strife
>
> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
>
> --
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>

It may not have been his intention but it certainly has turned the group
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2021-07-13 Thread grumpy via Emc-users

>> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
>> division and strife

>No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.

We do not know Jeff's intent since has never commented on this subject.


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2021-07-13 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp

Most likely not. The pro-CoC would first have to prove that the CoC is not 
doing any harm - which is kind of impossible, 'cause it has already caused 
harm. 

Then - as there is no formal leadership - who may vote? Not to stress the fact 
that "somebody" already has forced CoC on others and this thead is the reaction 
of that attitude.

BTW, this is going exactly the way CoC agenda works - and that's also the 
reason to keep it out.

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:50:38 +0100
 Peter Hodgson scripsit:
> Is it possible to solve this democratically with a vote using something like 
> Survey Monkey?
> 
> Would those passionately for and against accept a democratic decision?
> 
> It seems that the fear both for and against supporters of the CofC have of 
> it’s use (or not) damaging the community is being far outweighed by the level 
> of damage being done by this argument.
> 
> Can we solve it with a majority decision from the group and move on?
> 
> 
> > On 13 Jul 2021, at 11:36, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp  wrote:
> > 
> > Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:03:58 +0100
> > andy pugh scripsit:
> >>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> >>> division and strife
> >> 
> >> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
> >> 
> > 
> > Well, then why not just remove that abomination and call it a day?
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
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2021-07-13 Thread Peter Hodgson

Is it possible to solve this democratically with a vote using something like 
Survey Monkey?

Would those passionately for and against accept a democratic decision?

It seems that the fear both for and against supporters of the CofC have of it’s 
use (or not) damaging the community is being far outweighed by the level of 
damage being done by this argument.

Can we solve it with a majority decision from the group and move on?

> On 13 Jul 2021, at 11:36, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp  wrote:
> 
> Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:03:58 +0100
> andy pugh scripsit:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
>>> division and strife
>> 
>> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
>> 
> 
> Well, then why not just remove that abomination and call it a day?
> 
> Nik
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2021-07-13 Thread Dr. Nikolaus Klepp

Anno domini 2021 Tue, 13 Jul 11:03:58 +0100
 andy pugh scripsit:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:
> 
> > Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> > division and strife
> 
> No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.
> 

Well, then why not just remove that abomination and call it a day?

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2021-07-13 Thread andy pugh

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 09:55, Mark  wrote:

> Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political
> division and strife

No, I think that we can be 100% sure that that was never Jeff's intention.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-13 Thread Mark




On 7/12/21 9:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

On Tue, 2021-07-13 at 02:05 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

So forcing CoC on all others is mature behaviour, isn't it?

Nik


yes, it is sign that one cares about the quality of the project.



Bullshit.  It's a sign that someone(s) wants to create political 
division and strife in a group of people where little to none existed 
before.  Well, in that the CoC has surpassed it's goals and intentions.



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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread Bari


On 7/12/21 8:24 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:


On Tue, 2021-07-13 at 02:05 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

So forcing CoC on all others is mature behaviour, isn't it?

Nik

yes, it is sign that one cares about the quality of the project.



Please post a list of these requirements that a project needs to show 
that they care about quality. Wouldn't how well the code works or 
looking at the source reveal that? I'm fascinated by these irrelevant 
requirements. Do we need to advertise that we only use sustainable bits 
for all the source? That no life forms of any kind were harmed during 
the development of this code. What else has been conflated with what 
makes for a quality project.



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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread Bari


On 7/12/21 8:21 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:


On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 19:15 -0400, Bruce Layne wrote:

On 7/12/21 4:27 PM, Dave Cole wrote:

The argument that no professional organizations or people will be
attracted to a project without a COC is nonsense.

LinuxCNC has succeeded brilliantly all of these years without a Code
of
Conduct, and I saw nothing that necessitated a CoC.  It seems to
have
been externally mandated without cause.

LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
See if that endures after the mess.


I don't believe that so called "professional organizations" this 
superficial and juvenile would even know what to do with a CNC 
application.  Do they really think that LCNC will somehow implode 
without a CoC? They sky is not falling. How do they stay in business? 
Who would take them seriously? Please convince me that I am wrong



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On Tue, 2021-07-13 at 02:05 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> So forcing CoC on all others is mature behaviour, isn't it?
>
> Nik


yes, it is sign that one cares about the quality of the project.



> Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 22:12:51 +0100
>  Les Newell scripsit:
> > As I pointed out before the list admins have had the power to ban
> > users 
> > for a very long time. You agreed to that when you signed up. They
> > have 
> > of course used their fascist dictator powers to ... maybe ban a
> > few 
> > spammers. Oh the injustice!
> > 
> > If anyone here has abused their power it's you. You got upset so
> > just to 
> > spite everyone you pulled your remaster, hurting the users of that 
> > remaster when they had nothing to do with this. I may expect that 
> > behaviour from a child but I assume you are an adult.
> > 
> > Les
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/07/2021 21:39, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > Please stop mailing me in private.
> > > 
> > > Mailinglist CoC is not in the code nor in the forum. If the list
> > > starts to get "funny" just change the provider. If the forum get
> > > "strange", change it. Sourceforge had it's share of lost userbase
> > > when they tried monetarizing the community - didn't turn out well
> > > for them. Now you put CoC into the code - that's embarrasing.
> > > 
> > > May it have occured to you that there have already been users
> > > leaving because CoC? No? E.g. BeagleBrainz from the forum? I'm
> > > sure you had real problems with that person in the last decade.
> > > Thanks to CoC that problem is gone.
> > > 
> > > And where did I say I leave? I pulled the plug from my linuxcnc
> > > remaster. As I said, forcing politics on a technical project is a
> > > no-go for me, so the reamaster is gone. But I also said, I'm sure
> > > some of the excelent policemen will make a perfect remaster, I'm
> > > 100% sure. Or why else are they called "the police - your friend
> > > and helper"? Put that on the "well done CoC" list, too.
> > > 
> > > But you are free to ban me from the list and/or the forum. Just
> > > do it - now that you have CoC it's the perfect time to make an
> > > example. You can always say "oh look, we never had problems with
> > > this guy before, but thanks to CoC he showed us his real
> > > nature.  And thanks to CoC we can ban him proactively, at last!
> > > What a great achievement! Praise CoC!"
> > > 
> > > I would just appreciate if you could do it in public.
> > > 
> > > Nik
> > 
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On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 19:15 -0400, Bruce Layne wrote:
> On 7/12/21 4:27 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > The argument that no professional organizations or people will be 
> > attracted to a project without a COC is nonsense.
> 
> LinuxCNC has succeeded brilliantly all of these years without a Code
> of 
> Conduct, and I saw nothing that necessitated a CoC.  It seems to
> have 
> been externally mandated without cause.


LinuxCNC is a rare case in such, a blinkenlight in the darkness.
See if that endures after the mess.


> 
> 
> 
> On 7/12/21 5:12 PM, Les Newell wrote:
> > ...the list admins have had the power to ban users for a very long 
> > time. You agreed to that when you signed up.  They have of course
> > used 
> > their fascist dictator powers to... maybe ban a few spammers.
> 
> The Terms of Service were apparently sufficient to regulate behavior,
> or 
> more likely, were not needed because everyone acted as an adult and 
> moderated their own behavior.  Why add an unneeded Code of Conduct
> to 
> the sufficient or unneeded Terms of Service?  Nobody was being
> banned 
> because everyone played nice... for decades.  But that's not good 
> enough.  Now we have an externally mandated Code of Conduct to
> further 
> regulate self regulated civil behavior.
> 
> 
> 
> The Code of Conduct is worse than a solution in search of a
> problem.  
> It's now proven to be a divisive political tool that is a solution to
> a 
> problem of its own creation.  I've been a member of the LinuxCNC 
> community for over 15 years and have never seen such acrimony -
> vicious 
> bickering, people leaving the community, others pulling their 
> contributions...  and it all started as a result of the new Code of 
> Conduct.  Given the strife it has caused, the only way to justify
> the 
> Code of Conduct would be as a tool to divide the community along 
> previously irrelevant and unseen political lines, turn us against
> each 
> other, and drive away anyone with a differing political opinion.
> 
> I hate to see the divisive toxic politics that have recently
> infested 
> the world now destroying the LinuxCNC community.  Are we going to see
> a 
> fork of LinuxCNC into a red team version and blue team version? 
> Ugh.  
> Why am I now being forced to endorse or oppose someone's political 
> views?  I'm only here for the CNC.
> 
> I previously suggested that an appropriate Code of Conduct would be, 
> "Y'all be cool."  If that's not enough for the LinuxCNC community,
> then 
> perhaps it could be amended to include, "Politics are divisive and 
> counterproductive to a technical open source community, so keep your 
> politics to yourself."
> 
> I realize this isn't a democracy, but if it were, I'd cast my vote
> for 
> deleting this deadly Code of Conduct before it completely tears this 
> community apart.  It's caused nothing but trouble.  I miss the
> peaceful 
> days before the Code of Conduct, when we all got along because we
> were 
> focused on the technical issues we had in common rather than being 
> forced to focus on the politics that divide us.
> 
> 
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So do you who started firstly.


On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 22:39 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Please stop mailing me in private.
> 
> Mailinglist CoC is not in the code nor in the forum. If the list
> starts to get "funny" just change the provider. If the forum get
> "strange", change it. Sourceforge had it's share of lost userbase
> when they tried monetarizing the community - didn't turn out well for
> them. Now you put CoC into the code - that's embarrasing.
> 
> May it have occured to you that there have already been users leaving
> because CoC? No? E.g. BeagleBrainz from the forum? I'm sure you had
> real problems with that person in the last decade. Thanks to CoC that
> problem is gone.
> 
> And where did I say I leave? I pulled the plug from my linuxcnc
> remaster. As I said, forcing politics on a technical project is a no-
> go for me, so the reamaster is gone. But I also said, I'm sure some
> of the excelent policemen will make a perfect remaster, I'm 100%
> sure. Or why else are they called "the police - your friend and
> helper"? Put that on the "well done CoC" list, too. 
> 
> But you are free to ban me from the list and/or the forum. Just do it
> - now that you have CoC it's the perfect time to make an example. You
> can always say "oh look, we never had problems with this guy before,
> but thanks to CoC he showed us his real nature.  And thanks to CoC we
> can ban him proactively, at last! What a great achievement! Praise
> CoC!"
> 
> I would just appreciate if you could do it in public.
> 
> Nik
> 
> Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 21:42:29 +0200
>  Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> > Did you read Les's message?
> > I replay it here for your convenience:
> > 
> > "You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you
> > joined
> > this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> > 
> > This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form <
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/lists/emc-users>;
> > 
> > If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
> > proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before
> > it
> > upsets you."
> > 
> > However, I see that you are still here after saying that you would
> > leave, so my suspicion has become certainty.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 20:23 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > That's exactly why policemen and theit CoC are unbearable. 
> > > 
> > > Nik
> > > 
> > > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 20:14:42 +0200
> > >  Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> > > > Since you are unable to accept such a mild restrictive form, I
> > > > think I suspect what kind of person you are, so I'm glad you're
> > > > leaving.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 19:36 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > > Well, dear friends, as the CoC policemen with their CoC are
> > > > > more
> > > > > important than any thing I decided to pull the plug and took
> > > > > my
> > > > > remasters offline. You can read more about it here: 
> > > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/40260-iso-to-test-exegnulinux-remasterd-with-linuxcnc-a-lots-of-tools-and-no-systemd
> > > > > 
> > > > > I can only suggest for all contributors (how minor their
> > > > > effort
> > > > > may
> > > > > be) not in line with forcing a political agenda onto a
> > > > > technical
> > > > > project to do the same.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nik
> > > > > 
> > > > > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 18:15:12 +0100
> > > > >  Les Newell scripsit:
> > > > > > You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > joined 
> > > > > > this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > Jeff 
> > > > > > proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > it 
> > > > > > upsets you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Les
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > > > > You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly
> > > > > > > what's
> > > > > > > the problem with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > everythings going to be civilized again. But I see, this
> > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: faschism.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Nik
> > > > > > > 
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So forcing CoC on all others is mature behaviour, isn't it?

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 22:12:51 +0100
 Les Newell scripsit:
> As I pointed out before the list admins have had the power to ban users 
> for a very long time. You agreed to that when you signed up. They have 
> of course used their fascist dictator powers to ... maybe ban a few 
> spammers. Oh the injustice!
> 
> If anyone here has abused their power it's you. You got upset so just to 
> spite everyone you pulled your remaster, hurting the users of that 
> remaster when they had nothing to do with this. I may expect that 
> behaviour from a child but I assume you are an adult.
> 
> Les
> 
> 
> On 12/07/2021 21:39, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Please stop mailing me in private.
> >
> > Mailinglist CoC is not in the code nor in the forum. If the list starts to 
> > get "funny" just change the provider. If the forum get "strange", change 
> > it. Sourceforge had it's share of lost userbase when they tried 
> > monetarizing the community - didn't turn out well for them. Now you put CoC 
> > into the code - that's embarrasing.
> >
> > May it have occured to you that there have already been users leaving 
> > because CoC? No? E.g. BeagleBrainz from the forum? I'm sure you had real 
> > problems with that person in the last decade. Thanks to CoC that problem is 
> > gone.
> >
> > And where did I say I leave? I pulled the plug from my linuxcnc remaster. 
> > As I said, forcing politics on a technical project is a no-go for me, so 
> > the reamaster is gone. But I also said, I'm sure some of the excelent 
> > policemen will make a perfect remaster, I'm 100% sure. Or why else are they 
> > called "the police - your friend and helper"? Put that on the "well done 
> > CoC" list, too.
> >
> > But you are free to ban me from the list and/or the forum. Just do it - now 
> > that you have CoC it's the perfect time to make an example. You can always 
> > say "oh look, we never had problems with this guy before, but thanks to CoC 
> > he showed us his real nature.  And thanks to CoC we can ban him 
> > proactively, at last! What a great achievement! Praise CoC!"
> >
> > I would just appreciate if you could do it in public.
> >
> > Nik
> 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread John Dammeyer

I'm only responding to this message because Andy posted it.  All the others 
with this subject line go direct to trash, they don't pass GO, and certainly 
won't collect $200.

John Dammeyer


> -Original Message-
> From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com]
> Sent: July-12-21 4:42 PM
> To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
> 
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 00:17, Bruce Layne  
> wrote:
> 
> >  I miss the peaceful
> > days before the Code of Conduct, when we all got along because we were
> > focused on the technical issues we had in common rather than being
> > forced to focus on the politics that divide us.
> 
> 
> Eloquently put.
> 
> Recent events have made me start to wonder if this is a fun way to
> spend my time any more.
> 
> --
> atp
> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
> � George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1912
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread andrew beck

Andy if you go we, will we all miss you so much!

Its kinda sad actually.

I also vote to going back to before this all came up.  I have ignored it so
far.  And just played with the technical stuff.  But it would be so so so
sad to destroy a awesome project over this.  I run my full time business
from linuxcnc its amazing and awesome.  And in 4 years I have never had a
nasty reply to questions.  I have only seen a awful lot of patience.
Please everyone let's get past this.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 11:45 AM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 00:17, Bruce Layne 
> wrote:
>
> >  I miss the peaceful
> > days before the Code of Conduct, when we all got along because we were
> > focused on the technical issues we had in common rather than being
> > forced to focus on the politics that divide us.
>
>
> Eloquently put.
>
> Recent events have made me start to wonder if this is a fun way to
> spend my time any more.
>
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> lunatics."
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread andy pugh

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 00:17, Bruce Layne  wrote:

>  I miss the peaceful
> days before the Code of Conduct, when we all got along because we were
> focused on the technical issues we had in common rather than being
> forced to focus on the politics that divide us.


Eloquently put.

Recent events have made me start to wonder if this is a fun way to
spend my time any more.

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designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread Bruce Layne


On 7/12/21 4:27 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
The argument that no professional organizations or people will be 
attracted to a project without a COC is nonsense.


LinuxCNC has succeeded brilliantly all of these years without a Code of 
Conduct, and I saw nothing that necessitated a CoC.  It seems to have 
been externally mandated without cause.




On 7/12/21 5:12 PM, Les Newell wrote:
...the list admins have had the power to ban users for a very long 
time. You agreed to that when you signed up.  They have of course used 
their fascist dictator powers to... maybe ban a few spammers.


The Terms of Service were apparently sufficient to regulate behavior, or 
more likely, were not needed because everyone acted as an adult and 
moderated their own behavior.  Why add an unneeded Code of Conduct to 
the sufficient or unneeded Terms of Service?  Nobody was being banned 
because everyone played nice... for decades.  But that's not good 
enough.  Now we have an externally mandated Code of Conduct to further 
regulate self regulated civil behavior.




The Code of Conduct is worse than a solution in search of a problem.  
It's now proven to be a divisive political tool that is a solution to a 
problem of its own creation.  I've been a member of the LinuxCNC 
community for over 15 years and have never seen such acrimony - vicious 
bickering, people leaving the community, others pulling their 
contributions...  and it all started as a result of the new Code of 
Conduct.  Given the strife it has caused, the only way to justify the 
Code of Conduct would be as a tool to divide the community along 
previously irrelevant and unseen political lines, turn us against each 
other, and drive away anyone with a differing political opinion.


I hate to see the divisive toxic politics that have recently infested 
the world now destroying the LinuxCNC community.  Are we going to see a 
fork of LinuxCNC into a red team version and blue team version?  Ugh.  
Why am I now being forced to endorse or oppose someone's political 
views?  I'm only here for the CNC.


I previously suggested that an appropriate Code of Conduct would be, 
"Y'all be cool."  If that's not enough for the LinuxCNC community, then 
perhaps it could be amended to include, "Politics are divisive and 
counterproductive to a technical open source community, so keep your 
politics to yourself."


I realize this isn't a democracy, but if it were, I'd cast my vote for 
deleting this deadly Code of Conduct before it completely tears this 
community apart.  It's caused nothing but trouble.  I miss the peaceful 
days before the Code of Conduct, when we all got along because we were 
focused on the technical issues we had in common rather than being 
forced to focus on the politics that divide us.







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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread Les Newell

As I pointed out before the list admins have had the power to ban users
for a very long time. You agreed to that when you signed up. They have
of course used their fascist dictator powers to ... maybe ban a few
spammers. Oh the injustice!

If anyone here has abused their power it's you. You got upset so just to
spite everyone you pulled your remaster, hurting the users of that
remaster when they had nothing to do with this. I may expect that
behaviour from a child but I assume you are an adult.

Les

On 12/07/2021 21:39, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

Please stop mailing me in private.

Mailinglist CoC is not in the code nor in the forum. If the list starts to get "funny"
just change the provider. If the forum get "strange", change it. Sourceforge had it's
share of lost userbase when they tried monetarizing the community - didn't turn out well for them.
Now you put CoC into the code - that's embarrasing.

May it have occured to you that there have already been users leaving because
CoC? No? E.g. BeagleBrainz from the forum? I'm sure you had real problems with
that person in the last decade. Thanks to CoC that problem is gone.

And where did I say I leave? I pulled the plug from my linuxcnc remaster. As I said, forcing
politics on a technical project is a no-go for me, so the reamaster is gone. But I also said, I'm
sure some of the excelent policemen will make a perfect remaster, I'm 100% sure. Or why else are
they called "the police - your friend and helper"? Put that on the "well done
CoC" list, too.

But you are free to ban me from the list and/or the forum. Just do it - now that you have
CoC it's the perfect time to make an example. You can always say "oh look, we never
had problems with this guy before, but thanks to CoC he showed us his real nature. And
thanks to CoC we can ban him proactively, at last! What a great achievement! Praise
CoC!"

I would just appreciate if you could do it in public.

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Please stop mailing me in private.

Mailinglist CoC is not in the code nor in the forum. If the list starts to get 
"funny" just change the provider. If the forum get "strange", change it. 
Sourceforge had it's share of lost userbase when they tried monetarizing the 
community - didn't turn out well for them. Now you put CoC into the code - 
that's embarrasing.

May it have occured to you that there have already been users leaving because 
CoC? No? E.g. BeagleBrainz from the forum? I'm sure you had real problems with 
that person in the last decade. Thanks to CoC that problem is gone.

And where did I say I leave? I pulled the plug from my linuxcnc remaster. As I 
said, forcing politics on a technical project is a no-go for me, so the 
reamaster is gone. But I also said, I'm sure some of the excelent policemen 
will make a perfect remaster, I'm 100% sure. Or why else are they called "the 
police - your friend and helper"? Put that on the "well done CoC" list, too. 

But you are free to ban me from the list and/or the forum. Just do it - now 
that you have CoC it's the perfect time to make an example. You can always say 
"oh look, we never had problems with this guy before, but thanks to CoC he 
showed us his real nature.  And thanks to CoC we can ban him proactively, at 
last! What a great achievement! Praise CoC!"

I would just appreciate if you could do it in public.

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 21:42:29 +0200
 Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> Did you read Les's message?
> I replay it here for your convenience:
> 
> "You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you joined
> this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> 
> This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form <
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/lists/emc-users>
> 
> If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
> proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before it
> upsets you."
> 
> However, I see that you are still here after saying that you would
> leave, so my suspicion has become certainty.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 20:23 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > That's exactly why policemen and theit CoC are unbearable. 
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
> > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 20:14:42 +0200
> >  Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> > > Since you are unable to accept such a mild restrictive form, I
> > > think I suspect what kind of person you are, so I'm glad you're
> > > leaving.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 19:36 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > Well, dear friends, as the CoC policemen with their CoC are more
> > > > important than any thing I decided to pull the plug and took my
> > > > remasters offline. You can read more about it here: 
> > > > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/40260-iso-to-test-exegnulinux-remasterd-with-linuxcnc-a-lots-of-tools-and-no-systemd
> > > > 
> > > > I can only suggest for all contributors (how minor their effort
> > > > may
> > > > be) not in line with forcing a political agenda onto a technical
> > > > project to do the same.
> > > > 
> > > > Nik
> > > > 
> > > > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 18:15:12 +0100
> > > >  Les Newell scripsit:
> > > > > You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you
> > > > > joined 
> > > > > this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one
> > > > > Jeff 
> > > > > proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly
> > > > > before
> > > > > it 
> > > > > upsets you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Les
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > > > You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly
> > > > > > what's
> > > > > > the problem with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and
> > > > > > everythings going to be civilized again. But I see, this
> > > > > > won't
> > > > > > happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: faschism.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Nik
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ___
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> > 
> > 
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2021-07-12 Thread Bari

Some people like being told what to do and what to think. They find it
soothing.

Some on the list might even be racists, sexists, communists,
capitalists, hedonists or even put ketchup on hot dogs.

With the CoC some of these people will sleep better at night.

"Project leaders are responsible for clarifying the standards of
acceptable behavior and are expected to take appropriate and fair
corrective action in response to any instances of unacceptable behavior."

"Project leaders have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or
reject messages, comments, commits, code, issues, and other
contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban
temporarily or permanently any community member for other behaviors that
they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful."

Since there are no project leaders, what is the point?

On 7/12/21 1:23 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

That's exactly why policemen and theit CoC are unbearable.

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 20:14:42 +0200
Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:

Since you are unable to accept such a mild restrictive form, I think I suspect
what kind of person you are, so I'm glad you're leaving.

On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 19:36 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

Well, dear friends, as the CoC policemen with their CoC are more
important than any thing I decided to pull the plug and took my
remasters offline. You can read more about it here:
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/40260-iso-to-test-exegnulinux-remasterd-with-linuxcnc-a-lots-of-tools-and-no-systemd

I can only suggest for all contributors (how minor their effort may
be) not in line with forcing a political agenda onto a technical
project to do the same.

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 18:15:12 +0100
Les Newell scripsit:

You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you
joined
this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:

This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form

If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff
proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before
it
upsets you.

Les

On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's
the problem with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and
everythings going to be civilized again. But I see, this won't
happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: faschism.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread Dave Cole


Could someone please point out why this COC is even an issue?
If we already agreed to some terms, why is  a COC being layered on top 
of that?

Seeing people pack their bags over a proposal, seems like a bad idea.

The argument that no professional organizations or people will be 
attracted to a project without a COC is nonsense.

History tells a much different story.
How many commercial products have grabbed LCNC code ??   Quite a few!

I do not understand why anyone spent time writing a COC ??

This list has been quite civilized for a very long time.
Dave

On 7/12/2021 1:15 PM, Les Newell wrote:
You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you joined 
this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:


This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 



If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before it 
upsets you.


Les

On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:


You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's the 
problem with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and everythings 
going to be civilized again. But I see, this won't happen. That's the 
whole point of forcing CoC: faschism.


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That's exactly why policemen and theit CoC are unbearable. 

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 20:14:42 +0200
 Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> Since you are unable to accept such a mild restrictive form, I think I 
> suspect what kind of person you are, so I'm glad you're leaving.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 19:36 +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > Well, dear friends, as the CoC policemen with their CoC are more
> > important than any thing I decided to pull the plug and took my
> > remasters offline. You can read more about it here: 
> > https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/40260-iso-to-test-exegnulinux-remasterd-with-linuxcnc-a-lots-of-tools-and-no-systemd
> > 
> > I can only suggest for all contributors (how minor their effort may
> > be) not in line with forcing a political agenda onto a technical
> > project to do the same.
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
> > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 18:15:12 +0100
> >  Les Newell scripsit:
> > > You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you
> > > joined 
> > > this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> > > 
> > > This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
> > > proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before
> > > it 
> > > upsets you.
> > > 
> > > Les
> > > 
> > > On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's
> > > > the problem with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and
> > > > everythings going to be civilized again. But I see, this won't
> > > > happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: faschism.
> > > > 
> > > > Nik
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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Well, dear friends, as the CoC policemen with their CoC are more important than 
any thing I decided to pull the plug and took my remasters offline. You can 
read more about it here: 
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/9-installing-linuxcnc/40260-iso-to-test-exegnulinux-remasterd-with-linuxcnc-a-lots-of-tools-and-no-systemd

I can only suggest for all contributors (how minor their effort may be) not in 
line with forcing a political agenda onto a technical project to do the same.

Nik

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 18:15:12 +0100
 Les Newell scripsit:
> You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you joined 
> this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> 
> This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 
> 
> 
> If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
> proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before it 
> upsets you.
> 
> Les
> 
> On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> >
> > You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's the problem 
> > with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and everythings going to be 
> > civilized again. But I see, this won't happen. That's the whole point of 
> > forcing CoC: faschism.
> >
> > Nik
> >
> 
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On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 18:15 +0100, Les Newell wrote:
> You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you
> joined 
> this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:
> 
> This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 
> 
> 
> If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
> proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before
> it 
> upsets you.
> 
> Les


+1



> 
> On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's the
> > problem with CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and
> > everythings going to be civilized again. But I see, this won't
> > happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: faschism.
> > 
> > Nik
> > 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread Les Newell

You do know you agreed to a much more restrictive CoC when you joined 
this mailing list, don't you? Here is the full agreement:


This is linked from the EMC-users subscription form 



If you agreed to that, why are you so stressed about the one Jeff 
proposed? If you don't agree you'd best unsubscribe quickly before it 
upsets you.


Les

On 12/07/2021 09:03, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:


You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's the problem with 
CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and everythings going to be civilized 
again. But I see, this won't happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: 
faschism.

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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread jeanfrancois


Good day,


Please let's finish this topic, it's been taking 50% space.

CNC discussion isn't COC, for the most part.

Many people are not interested in COC discuss any longer.


Thanks for understanding

Jean-François


Le 12/07/2021 à 10:04, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit :

Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 09:23:15 +0200
  jeanfrancois scripsit:

Hi,

Can we end this topic please ?


Can we remove CoC? No? So why end this debate?

Nik


Thank you,

Jean-François

Le 12/07/2021 à 09:19, Valerio Bellizzomi a écrit :

Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
from professional communities.
Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:

because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.

On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.

Communication terminated.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Nobody stops you,

exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity



 however your project will not gain much professional
attraction.

oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction" ??
Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played by
the
rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion ..  you
have
to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to behave
under
their control ...  as is done/attempted with CoC's...   'nothing'
will
ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
safeguard
established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
reasons..   CoC's
live
in a world where nothing new is allowed.


On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:

No it isn't,


I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today, cause
it
is
getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to stop
me,
if
it
doesn't have a CoC?




On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge has
a
Code
of
Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public project.

Regards



On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, dva...@internode.on.net
wrote:
  


Valerio wrote: >>
  So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to support
the
adoption
of a
  CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of W3C
as I
proposed.
  Evidently the idea of being an organized community
doesn't
appeal to
  LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is so
much
opposition,
  after all it is assumed that an organized community
is
able to
work
  better and with more personal satisfaction for all
the
participants,
  and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
broken
out.


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Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 09:23:15 +0200
 jeanfrancois scripsit:
> Hi,
> 
> Can we end this topic please ?


Can we remove CoC? No? So why end this debate?

Nik

> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean-François
> 
> Le 12/07/2021 à 09:19, Valerio Bellizzomi a écrit :
> > Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
> > from professional communities.
> > Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:
> >> because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.
> >>
> >> On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> >>> I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.
> >>>
> >>> Communication terminated.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:
>  On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > Nobody stops you,
>  exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity
> 
> 
> > however your project will not gain much professional
> > attraction.
>  oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction" ??
>  Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played by
>  the
>  rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion ..  you
>  have
>  to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to behave
>  under
>  their control ...  as is done/attempted with CoC's...   'nothing'
>  will
>  ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
>  safeguard
>  established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
>  reasons..   CoC's
>  live
>  in a world where nothing new is allowed.
> 
> > On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:
> >> No it isn't,
> >>
> >>
> >> I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today, cause
> >> it
> >> is
> >> getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to stop
> >> me,
> >> if
> >> it
> >> doesn't have a CoC?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> >>> Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge has
> >>> a
> >>> Code
> >>> of
> >>> Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public project.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, dva...@internode.on.net
> >>> wrote:
>   
> 
>  Valerio wrote: >>
>   So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to support
>  the
>  adoption
>  of a
>   CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of W3C
>  as I
>  proposed.
>   Evidently the idea of being an organized community
>  doesn't
>  appeal to
>   LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is so
>  much
>  opposition,
>   after all it is assumed that an organized community
>  is
>  able to
>  work
>   better and with more personal satisfaction for all
>  the
>  participants,
>   and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
>  broken
>  out.
> 
> 
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Anno domini 2021 Mon, 12 Jul 09:19:13 +0200
 Valerio Bellizzomi scripsit:
> Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
> from professional communities.
> Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.


You don't realise that forcing CoC on others is exactly what's the problem with 
CoC. Just drop that fing CoC nonsens and everythings going to be civilized 
again. But I see, this won't happen. That's the whole point of forcing CoC: 
faschism.

Nik


> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:
> > because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.
> > 
> > On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.
> > > 
> > > Communication terminated.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > > On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > > Nobody stops you,
> > > > exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >however your project will not gain much professional
> > > > > attraction.
> > > > oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction" ??
> > > > Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played by
> > > > the
> > > > rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion ..  you
> > > > have
> > > > to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to behave
> > > > under
> > > > their control ...  as is done/attempted with CoC's...   'nothing'
> > > > will
> > > > ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
> > > > safeguard
> > > > established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
> > > > reasons..   CoC's
> > > > live
> > > > in a world where nothing new is allowed.
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > > > > No it isn't,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today, cause
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to stop
> > > > > > me,
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > doesn't have a CoC?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > > > > Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge has
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > Code
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public project.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, dva...@internode.on.net
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Valerio wrote: >>
> > > > > > > > So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to support
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > adoption
> > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of W3C
> > > > > > > > as I
> > > > > > > > proposed.
> > > > > > > > Evidently the idea of being an organized community
> > > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > appeal to
> > > > > > > > LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is so
> > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > opposition,
> > > > > > > > after all it is assumed that an organized community
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > better and with more personal satisfaction for all
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > participants,
> > > > > > > > and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
> > > > > > > > broken
> > > > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ___
> > > > > > > > Emc-users mailing list
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> > > > > > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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2021-07-12 Thread Gene Heskett

On Monday 12 July 2021 00:25:43 dva...@internode.on.net wrote:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:07:55 -0600
> Subject:Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct
>
>  On 6/29/21 RC wrote:
>  Also, I changed my mind  ..
>
>  hey all, can we still have that CoC? with that one rule in it that
> said
>  something about not telling others what to do, or something like
> that.
>
> That, gentlemen, is exclusively and completely the CoC that the world
> needs most..Who wants THE MANGEMENT to move in and exercise their
> prejudices by pouring themover the heads of others?  Is it not better
> for the list to be a bazaar? Let the dogmatistspeddling pedantic
> orthodoxy go and build their temple elsewhere!(Yeah, the library
> 'puter let me have another 60 min Thanks, 'puter.)Erik
>
Chuckle. I've been on one list that has only one rule for a good decade 
now. And that rule states that there are no rules. Anything goes, and 
occasionally does when stupidity is being discussed.

I tend to agree with Marion Morrison, whom you know better as the western 
movie star John Wayne, who once observed on film that stupidity should 
be painfull.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

agreeing totally.



On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 09:23 +0200, jeanfrancois wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can we end this topic please ?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jean-François
> 
> Le 12/07/2021 à 09:19, Valerio Bellizzomi a écrit :
> > Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
> > from professional communities.
> > Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.
> > > 
> > > On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.
> > > > 
> > > > Communication terminated.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > > > On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > > > Nobody stops you,
> > > > > exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > however your project will not gain much professional
> > > > > > attraction.
> > > > > oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction"
> > > > > ??
> > > > > Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played
> > > > > by
> > > > > the
> > > > > rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion
> > > > > ..  you
> > > > > have
> > > > > to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to
> > > > > behave
> > > > > under
> > > > > their control ...  as is done/attempted with
> > > > > CoC's...   'nothing'
> > > > > will
> > > > > ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
> > > > > safeguard
> > > > > established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
> > > > > reasons..   CoC's
> > > > > live
> > > > > in a world where nothing new is allowed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:
> > > > > > > No it isn't,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today,
> > > > > > > cause
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to
> > > > > > > stop
> > > > > > > me,
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > doesn't have a CoC?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:
> > > > > > > > Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge
> > > > > > > > has
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > Code
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public
> > > > > > > > project.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, 
> > > > > > > > dva...@internode.on.net
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Valerio wrote: >>
> > > > > > > > >  So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to
> > > > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > adoption
> > > > > > > > > of a
> > > > > > > > >  CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of
> > > > > > > > > W3C
> > > > > > > > > as I
> > > > > > > > > proposed.
> > > > > > > > >  Evidently the idea of being an organized
> > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > > appeal to
> > > > > > > > >  LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > opposition,
> > > > > > > > >  after all it is assumed that an organized
> > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > >  better and with more personal satisfaction for
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > participants,
> > > > > > > > >  and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
> > > > > > > > > broken
> > > > > > > > > out.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
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Re: [Emc-users] Code of Conduct

2021-07-12 Thread jeanfrancois


Hi,

Can we end this topic please ?

Thank you,

Jean-François

Le 12/07/2021 à 09:19, Valerio Bellizzomi a écrit :

Your trollish behavior is exactly what a CoC is sensed to eradicate
from professional communities.
Tha's why you exercise such violent opposition.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 01:12 -0600, R C wrote:

because you don't have a point. Other than the Mussolini one.

On 7/12/21 1:08 AM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

I don't really want to talk with a troll like you.

Communication terminated.




On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 00:10 -0600, R C wrote:

On 7/11/21 11:45 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Nobody stops you,

exactly my point, that's your non-existent necessity



however your project will not gain much professional
attraction.

oh really? you're that clairvoyant? "professional attraction" ??
Haha!!   progress was never accomplished by those that played by
the
rules...   that's why it's called progress  aka rebellion ..  you
have
to ignore the establishment ..   the ones that want you to behave
under
their control ...  as is done/attempted with CoC's...   'nothing'
will
ever be accomplished by CoC's other than a futile attempt to
safeguard
established thinking, or cover your ass for legal
reasons..   CoC's
live
in a world where nothing new is allowed.


On Sun, 2021-07-11 at 22:55 -0600, R C wrote:

No it isn't,


I can start a open source project tomorrow (not today, cause
it
is
getting late), and not have a CoC, and who is going to stop
me,
if
it
doesn't have a CoC?




On 7/11/21 10:46 PM, Valerio Bellizzomi wrote:

Every open source project on Github.com and Sourceforge has
a
Code
of
Conduct, this is a necessary part of every public project.

Regards



On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:06 +0930, dva...@internode.on.net
wrote:
 


Valerio wrote: >>
 So it be. Andy, my apologies for trying to support
the
adoption
of a
 CoC, either the one proposed by Jeff or that of W3C
as I
proposed.
 Evidently the idea of being an organized community
doesn't
appeal to
 LinuxCNC users. I don't understand why there is so
much
opposition,
 after all it is assumed that an organized community
is
able to
work
 better and with more personal satisfaction for all
the
participants,
 and instead in this case a terrible conflict has
broken
out.


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