On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 11:57:56 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
said:
> On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:35:02 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > that's not how open source works. there is nothing keeping you around
> > unlike thew moral obligation you put on yourself to volunteer to
> >
On Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:35:02 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> that's not how open source works. there is nothing keeping you around
> unlike thew moral obligation you put on yourself to volunteer to
> clean up after a disaster for example.
Yes and no. Not doing what you say you w
Hi,
I know I’m not really active here but I just wanted to agree with the
sentiment here. It’s a little blunt but overall Stephen has a point.
I still think that would could have helped is a shared understanding of
what is being done (& why) and who the project is aimed at. Armed with such
a “vis
There is so much I whole heartedly disagree with in your attitude and point
of view in this thread that will take me too much energy and time and
arguing to cover. I think other developers are coming to this same
realization and are leaving rather than trying to change your mind. This
project has
On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:28:01 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
said:
> On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:38:36 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> > a volunteer is not going to do something they dislike. certainly not
> > readily. users have to convince the volunteer to do it. not the other
> >
On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:28:01 -0500
"William L. Thomson Jr." wrote:
> The thing is I do need the filemanager running all the time. Icons on
> the desktop could be rendered otherwise. Like what Plasma has done as
> an example. That is not related to the file manager. Having the file
> manager runnin
On Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:38:36 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> a volunteer is not going to do something they dislike. certainly not
> readily. users have to convince the volunteer to do it. not the other
> way around (that volunteers need to be slaves to users and do work
> for them
Any issues found on fedora I am willing with mentoring and help to fix those
bugs :)
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> On 09 Mar 2018, at 10:36, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 08:21:22 +0100 Jonathan Aquilina
> said:
>
>> Stupid suggestion probably if you are going to
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 08:21:22 +0100 Jonathan Aquilina
said:
> Stupid suggestion probably if you are going to use opensuse as the base why
> not maintain the existing code base and fork it and clean that up in a way
> kind of start from scratch?
something to discuss. splitting resources, focus etc.
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:33:59 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
said:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:14:21 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > But that is the reality. They can call the shots and listen to users.
> > Users are not always right. But listening is good. In the end people
>
On Wed, 07 Mar 2018 15:57:56 + jaquilina said:
it came through. i just replied. :)
> Not sure if my reply from earlier today made it to the list as I then
> got an email shortly after saying my address had been suspended from the
> list,
> God SF is a POS, but i digress there with that lit
On Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:14:21 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> But that is the reality. They can call the shots and listen to users.
> Users are not always right. But listening is good. In the end people
> doing work make the final decisions. And I guess to some extent I
> hold a ve
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:48:02 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
said:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > People who do the work get to call the shots.
>
> That is a fine balance. I am not really a fan of say ignoring users
> wishes or others because
2018-03-04 4:37 GMT-03:00 Davide Andreoli :
> 2018-03-02 4:42 GMT+01:00 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira <
> vini.ipsma...@gmail.com>:
> > I miss the penguins module a lot.
> >
>
> Why you miss it? the penguins module is perfectly working with current E
> and
> (I hope) with latest stable releases. Pl
Not sure if my reply from earlier today made it to the list as I then
got an email shortly after saying my address had been suspended from the
list,
God SF is a POS, but i digress there with that little rant.
I am more then eager and willing to put together an enlightenment spin
on fedora 27 w
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:56:13 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> last i checked bodhi wanted to fork e because they didn't want to
> update themes for compositing+wayland support (and e18 and on got
> more overhead as more objects were in the canvas - this should have
> been fixed by
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:03:27 +1030
Simon Lees wrote:
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:33:45 ACDT, William L. Thomson Jr.
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>
> >> h) I think at some point we may have to do our own distro that
> >> integ
I’m willing to do a fedora spin for the bleeding edge stuff if you want me to
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> On 07 Mar 2018, at 06:56, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:03:45 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
> said:
>
>> On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
>> Carsten Hai
Stupid suggestion probably if you are going to use opensuse as the base why not
maintain the existing code base and fork it and clean that up in a way kind of
start from scratch?
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> On 07 Mar 2018, at 07:40, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018
On Wed, 7 Mar 2018 12:03:27 +1030 Simon Lees said:
> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:33:45 ACDT, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> > On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
> > Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >>
> >> h) I think at some point we may have to do our own distro that
> >> integrates
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:03:45 -0500 "William L. Thomson Jr."
said:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> >
> > h) I think at some point we may have to do our own distro that
> > integrates E well and shows it off out-of-the-box.
>
> I would be intereste
On Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:33:45 ACDT, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>
>> h) I think at some point we may have to do our own distro that
>> integrates E well and shows it off out-of-the-box.
>
> I would be intereste
On 7 March 2018 at 01:50, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:21:48 + Stephen Houston
> said:
>
>> Sigh. You are missing the point...
>
> i'm not... you're saying "hey look he wants cherries. check out this box of
> potatoes we have!".
>
> i'm not saying that one or the other is
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> h) I think at some point we may have to do our own distro that
> integrates E well and shows it off out-of-the-box.
I would be interested in such. There are a couple existing.
http://www.elivecd.org/
http://www.bodhil
No I'm saying look, potatoes or cherries let's do something, anything,
other than nothing and here is a place to discuss with summarizations.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 10:52 AM Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:21:48 + Stephen Houston
> said:
>
> > Sigh. You are missing the point.
On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 16:21:48 + Stephen Houston said:
> Sigh. You are missing the point...
i'm not... you're saying "hey look he wants cherries. check out this box of
potatoes we have!".
i'm not saying that one or the other is invalid or wrong, but you're linking
things that are not the same
Sigh. You are missing the point...
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018, 10:16 AM Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:27:06 + Stephen Houston
> said:
>
> > We have developers leaving or severely cutting back their work, and this
> > includes developers who carry a large work load. Now we see S
On Tue, 06 Mar 2018 15:27:06 + Stephen Houston said:
> We have developers leaving or severely cutting back their work, and this
> includes developers who carry a large work load. Now we see Stefan has
> lost faith and interest in QA/CI and is going to step back from that... I
> think at some
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 08:59:02 +0100
Jérémy Zurcher wrote:
> Rust uses github bot to post commits after testing thus ensure a good
> state master branch.
>
> https://github.com/barosl/homu
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg
Ansible seems to have made their own. Its pretty cool since 3rd
We have developers leaving or severely cutting back their work, and this
includes developers who carry a large work load. Now we see Stefan has
lost faith and interest in QA/CI and is going to step back from that... I
think at some point we need to agree to stop arguing the merits of getting
bette
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:43:09 +0100 Stefan Schmidt said:
> Hello.
>
>
> On 03/06/2018 12:34 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:54:50 +0100 Stefan Schmidt
> > said:
> >
> >> Hello.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/06/2018 07:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 21:10:04 +0900 Christophe Sadoine said:
> On 6 March 2018 at 20:34, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:54:50 +0100 Stefan Schmidt
> > said:
> >
> > i really don't think we have a lot of break issues given size and
> > complexity. not build breaks anyway. right
Hello.
On 03/06/2018 12:34 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:54:50 +0100 Stefan Schmidt
> said:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>>
>> On 03/06/2018 07:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>> tbh platforms is an issue. windows is kind of big as setting up a
>>> cross-
On 6 March 2018 at 20:34, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:54:50 +0100 Stefan Schmidt
> said:
>
> i really don't think we have a lot of break issues given size and complexity.
> not build breaks anyway. right now if jenkins detects a build break... how
> does
> a developer know?
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:54:50 +0100 Stefan Schmidt said:
> Hello.
>
>
> On 03/06/2018 07:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> > tbh platforms is an issue. windows is kind of big as setting up a
> > cross-build environment is a fair bit of work. setting up a windows vm
> > costs money
Hello.
On 03/06/2018 07:44 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> tbh platforms is an issue. windows is kind of big as setting up a cross-build
> environment is a fair bit of work. setting up a windows vm costs money to test
> (need licenses, or if you can scrounge one off another pc you h
The very best open source project that I know of is Blender 3d. I changes
quickly, a great user community and dev community, grows like crazy, is
crushing the Pay versions of 3d software and is almost bug free. I would
take a look at how they do things.
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 8:59 AM, Jérémy Zurch
Rust uses github bot to post commits after testing thus ensure a good state
master branch.
https://github.com/barosl/homu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIageYT0Vgg
On Tuesday 06 March 2018 17:01, Simon Lees wrote :
>
>
> On 06/03/18 15:50, jaquilina wrote:
> > Hi simon,
> >
> > I think wh
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:01:23 +1030 Simon Lees said:
>
>
> On 06/03/18 12:51, Christophe Sadoine wrote:
> > Then, it would be great if there was a tool to detect an api/theme
> > break... and additions of api?
> > I think a theme break tool is possible and should be done, not sure
> > about the a
On 06/03/18 15:50, jaquilina wrote:
> Hi simon,
>
> I think what you are talking about is gerrit code review. I know
> Libreoffice use it and for them I think you need to have 3 reviewers
> before the code is committed as well the code gets compiled and built as
> well to ensure it works.
>
> h
Hi simon,
I think what you are talking about is gerrit code review. I know
Libreoffice use it and for them I think you need to have 3 reviewers
before the code is committed as well the code gets compiled and built as
well to ensure it works.
https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentati
On 06/03/18 12:51, Christophe Sadoine wrote:
> Then, it would be great if there was a tool to detect an api/theme
> break... and additions of api?
> I think a theme break tool is possible and should be done, not sure
> about the api.
>
There are API break tools available, currently they struggle
On 6 March 2018 at 10:07, William L. Thomson Jr.
wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:55:36 +1030
> Simon Lees wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/18 03:56, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> > Hello.
>> >
>> > I snipped away a lot of text here to make it easier to follow. If
>> > you feel I quoted out of context let me know.
On Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:55:36 +1030
Simon Lees wrote:
> On 06/03/18 03:56, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > I snipped away a lot of text here to make it easier to follow. If
> > you feel I quoted out of context let me know.
> >
> > On 03/05/2018 12:57 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
On 06/03/18 03:56, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I snipped away a lot of text here to make it easier to follow. If you feel I
> quoted out of context let me know.
>
> On 03/05/2018 12:57 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>> 1. Code reverting.
>>
>> I take API breaks seriously. A
On Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:18:02 ACDT, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
> Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>>
>> People who do the work get to call the shots.
>> If we made everything code-reviewed ala phab, I think it'd be far
>> worse.
>> development wou
I've been pondering writing this email for some time now. As others have
mentioned - our community has been trending downwards. Work from Samsung
aside, and those that use E/EFL through Samsung's work -- The developer and
user base has been getting smaller and smaller. That is regular members of
Hello.
I snipped away a lot of text here to make it easier to follow. If you feel I
quoted out of context let me know.
On 03/05/2018 12:57 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
> 1. Code reverting.
>
> I take API breaks seriously. An API break shouldn't happen. It should get
> caught as so
On Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:57:17 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
>
> People who do the work get to call the shots.
That is a fine balance. I am not really a fan of say ignoring users
wishes or others because of who is doing the work and doing it their
way vs whats best for all with other
On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:28:15 + Stephen Houston said:
Hi!
So I was busy with some work and didn't want jump into this in the middle.
I also allowed for some feedback from others too. I've read over some of these,
and I actually have little to say about the feedback other than "Yup. I pretty
On 02/03/18 05:58, Stephen Houston wrote:
> I've been pondering writing this email for some time now. As others have
> mentioned - our community has been trending downwards. Work from Samsung
> aside, and those that use E/EFL through Samsung's work -- The developer and
> user base has been gett
2018-03-02 4:42 GMT+01:00 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira <
vini.ipsma...@gmail.com>:
> 2018-03-01 21:17 GMT-03:00 William L. Thomson Jr. <
> wlt...@obsidian-studios.com>:
>
> > I also like Debians approach of an annually elected leader.
> > https://www.debian.org/devel/leader
> > https://en.wikipedi
2018-03-01 21:17 GMT-03:00 William L. Thomson Jr. <
wlt...@obsidian-studios.com>:
> I also like Debians approach of an annually elected leader.
> https://www.debian.org/devel/leader
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Debian_project_leaders
>
I like “raster is top” way to go.
Also:
2018-03-
Many projects face hardships. I am optimistic still. Though I maybe seen
as troublesome, unwanted, bad apple, etc by some. It is good to bring
such issues up and discuss them. Problems do not solve themselves.
On Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:28:15 +
Stephen Houston wrote:
>
> Community based projects
I've been pondering writing this email for some time now. As others have
mentioned - our community has been trending downwards. Work from Samsung
aside, and those that use E/EFL through Samsung's work -- The developer and
user base has been getting smaller and smaller. That is regular members of
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