I’ve seen those but can the handle the current of a Supercharger
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On Sunday, October 24, 2021, 5:17 PM, Matthew Pitts via EV
wrote:
There are adapters out there that can convert between the Tesla plug and the
J-1772 Standard (both ways, in fact), so those
On 24 Oct 2021 at 20:23, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
> Were you making a joke, or did you not know that California passed such a law
> 7 years ago?
"Landlords are required to allow tenants to install EV charging stations" is
a good thing, but it isn't the same as "requiring owners of
> I think that California should pass a law requiring owners of apartments of
> more than, say, 4 units, to provide L2 or better EV charging points equal to
> some percentage of their complex's units. Other states should too, but CA
> is one of the few that actually might do it.
Were you making a
On 10/24/21 4:35 PM, (-Phil-) wrote:
I'd say there's no way Tesla is going to "open up" the supercharging
network in the US, even in the next 2 years, let alone the end of this
year. They can (and are being legally required to) in Europe, where
they have already switched most of their
On 24 Oct 2021 at 13:35, (-Phil-) via EV wrote:
> I'd say there's no way Tesla is going to "open up" the supercharging
> network in the US, even in the next 2 years, let alone the end of this
> year.
It's quite likely that you know more about this than I do, but I don't think
that Elon Musk is
On 24 Oct 2021 at 18:53, Matthew Pitts via EV wrote:
> Why wouldn't folks make use of the time needed to charge their car by
> doing so at a charger at their favorite store? They'll have to be
> inside it for a certain period of time anyway.
Exactly. That's the current situation in rural
Why wouldn't folks make use of the time needed to charge their car by doing so
at a charger at their favorite store? They'll have to be inside it for a
certain period of time anyway.
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On Oct 24, 2021, 6:44 PM, at 6:44 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV
Can't agree. If you get creative and don't mind spending a bit of time at your
car dealership you can do computer time while getting a free charge...if you
are not creative then maybe an EV isn't for you but so far I have never had a
problem getting a charge. No matter where I am. Lawrence
There are adapters out there that can convert between the Tesla plug and the
J-1772 Standard (both ways, in fact), so those models that support either of
those are covered nicely. I'm not sure if there are any that would allow use of
the Supercharger Network for US vehicles that use CCS or not.
I'd say there's no way Tesla is going to "open up" the supercharging
network in the US, even in the next 2 years, let alone the end of this
year. They can (and are being legally required to) in Europe, where they
have already switched most of their network to 100% compatible Type 2
CCS. The US
On 10/24/21 3:22 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
And I say, in most cases, an EV is a poor choice for those
city dwellers. Especially true of the original 100 mile EV's.
But now that 250 miles is kmore common, it is true that an urban
EV owner that has a short commute and o nly 20 miles a
And I say, in most cases, an EV is a poor choice for those
city dwellers. Especially true of the original 100 mile EV's.
But now that 250 miles is kmore common, it is true that an urban
EV owner that has a short commute and o nly 20 miles a day of
car use, could get by with weekly charging, but I
On 10/24/21 12:44 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
I buy the $299 L2 charge cords that will do both L1 and L2.
But what has disappeared is the $300 wall mounted L2.
I want to donate an L2 to an organization, but the less
expensive ones have disappeared.
I fairly recently bought item
On 24 Oct 2021 at 13:09, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> The national average is 67% of people live in single family detached homes.
> But after using that figure for a few years awoke to the fact that in the
> mid-atlantic population (Maryland) the ratio is 50%
The problem is, that's not the
The national average is 67% of people live in single family detached homes.
But after using that figure for a few years awoke to the fact that in the
mid-atlantic population (Maryland) the ratio is 50%
So there is going to be a lot of extension cords out of windows.
Bob
On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at
I buy the $299 L2 charge cords that will do both L1 and L2.
But what has disappeared is the $300 wall mounted L2.
I want to donate an L2 to an organization, but the less
expensive ones have disappeared.
Bob
On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 12:41 PM paul dove via EV wrote:
>
> Depends on when that was
Depends on when that was written. They were higher priced in the beginning but
have come down about 30 or 40% since 2010-12. Don’t quote me!
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On Saturday, October 23, 2021, 7:23 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV
wrote:
I know nothing about Level 1 charger costs,
$600 is the average cost of purchase of a *Level 2* charging station (240V).
Many of our customers (I work for an EVSE maker) will install our
chargers themselves, that is why we make variants with a standard RV
plug (NEMA 14-50) so no electrician is needed if you already have a
240V outlet
I have seen this work, in my home country of The Netherlands, the
majority of the homes are what we would call townhomes, a block of
about 5 homes built as a single unit with only front doors facing the
sidewalk and possibly the two end homes having a driveway or garage,
so consequently mostly
So *that’s* where the $600 comes from.
- Mark
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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
>
> Every EV sold in the USA includes a level 1 EVSE that simply plugs into a
> standard 120V outlet. Some of these will even work plugged into
Not in L.A..
In California, 50% of the population live in multi-unit housing. How many can
reasonably charge at home? I don’t know.
- Mark
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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
>
> I'll grant you that there might be a few urban
Thank you.
I didn’t think you needed installation of a Level 1 charger, so was a bit
confused when I saw the article. Appreciate the clarification.
- Mark
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> On Oct 23, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:
>
> Level 1 chargers typically plug into
Every EV sold in the USA includes a level 1 EVSE that simply plugs into a
standard 120V outlet. Some of these will even work plugged into 240V and
charge twice as fast.
Replacement cost for a level-1 EVSE from the manufacturer is typicaly around
$600, but their are NUMEROUS cheaper level 1
I'll grant you that there might be a few urban drivers that can't charge at
home.
However, in big Cities like NY, many(most?) of the urbanites don't have ANY
cars, relying instead on public transportation, taxis, walking, etc.
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October
Level 1 chargers typically plug into a standard 120v 15A outlet, and
require no installation. They typically cost between $180-$300.
The numbers below are more accurate for a 240v volt hard wired level 2
charger, which can cost in the $300-$700 range, and installation of a
new
I know nothing about Level 1 charger costs, so did a quick Google, found this:
https://blog.carvana.com/2021/07/how-much-does-it-cost-to-install-an-ev-charger/
“ For example, the Level 1 charger costs between $300 to $600 before labor,
which stands at about $1,000 to $1,700.”
Is this wrong?
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She lost me on $600 level 1 charger(EVSE) Lawrence Rhodes
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On 23 Oct 2021 at 16:27, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> EVs are charged while parked (usually at home or at work), not at
> public chargers.
I don't know that I'd say anything quite as final as "not at public
chargers," but for sure there's much more home charging than public
charging.
Rural and suburban drivers might have the option to charge at home, and there
might be businesses willing to allow employees to charge at work, but for urban
EV owners, public charging may in fact be the only option. Just my opinion,
though.
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On Oct
EV's are charged while parked (usually at home or at work), not at
public chargers.
I have a new argument.
Comparing a gas car and EV exclusively limited to public chargi9ng
could equally be applied to comparing a gas car and EV exclusively
limited to home refueling. Imagine having to walk to a
I grew up in Detroit, and delivered the Detroit Free Press (usually zero
emission, by foot or bicycle). The paper is mainstream, but you’re right - ICE
country. At least it *was* a few years ago. The OEMs there are going full EV,
so there’s no reason to post FUD.
And the numbers, while the
Ho hum - another day, another thumb-on-the-scale anti-EV article.
The author is correct about finding public charging here in the Midwest -
it's still a problem. Also true: public charging costs vary more than
gasoline and Diesel costs do.
In part those facts are related. Increasing
https://amp.freep.com/amp/6110815001 Take onto consideration this is coming
from ICE country in more than one way. I will comment on Twitter. Lawrence
Rhodes
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