Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Lee Hart via EV]

Darryl McMahon via EV wrote:

Pardon my cynicism, but what if the oil industry's interest in EV
charging stations is not simply a relatively benign profit motive?


I'd say the best-case scenario is that the oil industry simply wants to 
make money off EV charging. In that case, they would simply attempt to 
monopolize it, and jack up prices.


The worst-case scenarios are a lot darker. They could buy the charging 
infrastructure just to shut it down.


Remember how the auto companies bought out their EV competitors in the 
early days, and shut them down? Or how the trolley cars were bought up 
and dismantled to promote city bus sales? Or how fast the Magnecharger 
network disappeared when GM crushed their EV-1s? Or how fast Nimh EV 
batteries became "unobtainium" as soon as Texaco and then Chevron got 
hold of the patents?


My worst fear is that someone will buy out Tesla, and then proceed to 
systematically destroy it.


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[EVDL] EVraged: frustrated-ice wanting2 fight EV> camera shy=drove off

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-dashcam-model-3-instant-karma-video/
Tesla Dashcam captures instant karma after angry driver assaults Model 3
February 17, 2019  Simon Alvarez

[image  (Credit: Mid-Range Tesla Model 3 Adventures/YouTube)
https://www.teslarati.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/model-3-road-rage-instant-karma-1a.jpg
]

A Tesla Model 3 owner is thanking his electric car’s built-in dashcam after
the feature proved useful as evidence for a road rage incident that resulted
in a multiple-car accident. A video of the nail-biting incident, which
featured a frightening instance of instant karma, was recently shared on
YouTube.  

The Model 3 owner, who goes by the username Mid-Range Tesla Model 3
Adventures [
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC04aMVf34gPRhN-Q34BW65A
] on the video streaming platform, noted that the driver of the offending
vehicle, a BMW [ice] sedan, became enraged after he was called out for
almost hitting the electric car in Lassen St & Haskell Ave, Los Angeles, CA.
This resulted in the driver getting enraged, to the point where he
reportedly attempted to pick a fight against the Tesla owner. As noted by
the Model 3 owner in the video’s description, he decided it was best to
ignore the angry driver.

This only made the BMW driver even angrier. Upon realizing that he was being
ignored, the angry driver opted to spit and throw an object at the Mid Range
Model 3. By this time, the Tesla owner was attempting to record the driver
on video using a smartphone (the incident transpired before Tesla rolled out
the recently-released Sentry Mode [
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-sentry-mode-activated-video/
]/Dog Mode/Dashcam side-video update [
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-built-in-dashcam-update-model-s-model-x-model-3-side-camera-recording/
] ). When the BMW driver noticed that he was about to get recorded on video,
he promptly returned to his car and drove off — running a red light in the
process.
[© teslarati.com]




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[EVDL] Arcimoto 1st Responders' EV> (needs a L2-6kW charger option)

[brucedp5 via EV]

% Arcimoto website sez their EV can recharge in 8hrs off L1 (120VAC@12A=
1.4kw rate), or 4hrs off L2 (240-208VAC @?A). Since its charging off L2 is
half the time= twice as fast, their L2 is only a wimpy 3kW onboard charger.
Also, those charge times must be for their cheaper/dinky 12kWh pack. IMO,
customers should be given options or its no-sale (its a bad business model
to not offer order-options). Firefighters, Emergency-crews, 1st responders
will all need & want to order an EV with the full 20kWh pack Arcimoto does
offer. This means Arcimoto should also offer a customer order-option of an
onboard L2 6kW charger. This would provide much-much faster L2
opportunity-charging at public EVSE when away from the station. Remember,
when an EV company does not offer L3 quick charging (they went cheap), they
should at least offer an option for a customer to pay more to buy a full 6kW
powered onboard L2 charger. %

http://www.govtech.com/fs/transportation/Company-Builds-Electric-Three-Wheeler-for-First-Responders.html
Company Builds Electric Three-Wheeler for First Responders
February 15, 2019

[image  
http://media2.govtech.com/images/ARCIMOTO_RAPID_RESPONDER_ELECTRIC_EMERGENCY_VEHICLE.jpg
The Arcimoto Rapid Responder is an all-electric, three-wheeled vehicle made
for emergency responders  / Arcimoto
]

The Arcimoto Rapid Responder is just a little different from most emergency
response vehicles. But with possible advantages in operating cost and size,
it has three local government agencies on board to test it out.

It has three wheels. It tops out at 75 miles per hour. It’s 100 percent
electric. Will police and fire departments go for it?

Arcimoto, a 12-year-old electric vehicle company based in Oregon, announced
its Rapid Responder design Feb. 15. The three-wheel vehicle is based on a
similar design the company has dubbed its “Fun Utility Vehicle,” and it has
agreements from three local government agencies to test them out.

Those would be the city of Eugene, Ore., the Eugene Springfield Fire
Department and the city of Eastvale, Calif. The company’s marketing leans
more toward fire and medical response than police — the photos it released
to the press are of a vehicle in front of a Eugene fire station, and on the
back it has a medical kit and fire extinguisher.

That may be just as well. There hasn’t been a lot of history of police
departments using electric vehicles; the Los Angeles Police Department
signed up to use a couple hundred electric BMWs in 2015 and then apparently
barely used them. And while the Rapid Responder’s top speed of 75 mph
compares favorably to any bicycle, it pales in comparison to the most
popular police vehicles and motorcycles.

A fire truck, on the other hand, is a hulking beast difficult to operate
safely above 68 mph — if it’s not full of water.

The vehicle has an estimated 100-mile range and would take 4-8 hours to
charge.

Arcimoto President Mark Frohnmayer said in a press release that the vehicle
will be useful for emergency responders working in dense urban corridors.
Bryan Jones, Eastvale’s city manager, pointed out that since electricity is
cheaper than gas and diesel, it could save money.

“They are electric, quiet, and air-quality friendly, which is important for
the greater Inland Empire Basin,” he said in the statement. “They can be run
on solar power from Southern California’s plentiful sunshine, and they don’t
require us to fill up on gas, so it will reduce operating costs. I could see
these would be great for first responders during special events or medical
calls when a fire engine may not be required.”

There are also environmental goals to consider. With many cities looking to
cut greenhouse gas emissions wherever they can, many have started
considering the gas-guzzling fleets of emergency response departments. San
Francisco Fire Department, for example, has been running a biodiesel program
since 2006.

“In addition to our current fleet of engines, we see the advantage of a
highly efficient, small-footprint vehicle to help with low-acuity calls, and
the potential to reduce operational costs, while being better for the
environment,” said Joe Zaludek, chief of Eugene Springfield Fire
Departments. “We also think the Rapid Responder will have the added benefit
of being a real hit at the annual Christmas Light Firetruck Parade.”

The company expects to have the vehicle in production and ready for delivery
sometime in 2020.
[© govtech.com]


https://www.energymanagertoday.com/181554-0181554/
Acrimoto Unveils Electric Three-Wheeler for First Responder Fleets
Feb 15, 2019  Acrimoto Inc. has unveiled a pure electric three-wheeled
vehicle, the Rapid Responder, designed for first responders, security
personnel and law enforcement ...
https://s20967.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/5005686C-DDEA-4EE3-81EF-0E21B1754AC5.jpeg


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Re: [EVDL] EV familiarity

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Correct, a 240v circuit can overload one leg and the ganged breakers will
trip. That is why it has a pair of ganged breakers.
Cor.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 7:41 PM Robert Bruninga via EV  Thanks for your insight.  Yes, the breaker will be 20 amps so if anyone
> tries to do anything other than a single L2 or two L1's they will loose
> both as the breaker will trip.  I do assume that a 20A 2 pole breaker
> actually will trip based on an overload on either of the two sides
> independently of what is on the other.
>
> Thanks!
> Bob
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 7:32 PM Jay Summet via EV 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > > I install two 120v outlets on each post along with a single 240v
> outlet.
> > > And then a small note says, "Either one L2 or two L1's but not both".
> > > Each post has properly rated #10 conductors for the 16 amps on Line1
> and
> > > Line2 and Ground and a #12 for Neutral since the Neutral carries either
> > > zero or only the 12 amps of a single L1.
> > >
> > >
> > > Is this legal under the NEC?
> >
> > It depends entirely upon your breaker size. As long as you don't have a
> > breaker larger than 20 amps on either phase you should be good to go.
> >
> > I'm worried about you sizing the neutral smaller than the hots, as
> > somebody may see the 10 AWG hot line and put a 30 amp breaker on it, not
> > realizing the neutral wire still needs to be limited to 20 amps.
> >
> > I'm also worried about the ability for somebody to overload one of your
> > hots by plugging into both the L2 and an L1 at the same time.
> >
> > A polite sign isn't the same as an interlock. You must assume some bozo
> > will plug into the L2 and both L1's at the same time.
> >
> > (I assume the two 120v L1 outlets are on opposite phases of a split
> > phase 240 setup for the 240v outlet.)
> >
> > For example, if somebody sets up a space heater that draws 15 amps on
> > one of the L1 outlets, and then somebody else starts to charge their car
> > at 16 amps on the 240 outlet, the total number of amps on one of your
> > hots would be 31 amps, which is more than should be going over a 10 AWG
> > wire.  If you had a 20 amp breaker no problem.  If you are using a 30
> > amp breaker, no problem for the 240 volt circuit, but somebody could
> > successfully draw 25 amps over your 10 AWG neutral if they (for example)
> > had a 30 amp 120v RV circuit going through a 15 amp plug adapter.
> >
> > So either the breaker must trip because it's a 20 amp, or all the wires
> > including the neutral must be sized to accommodate the full possible
> > load, 10AWG for a 30 amp breaker.
> >
> > Jay
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [EVDL] EV familiarity

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Thanks for your insight.  Yes, the breaker will be 20 amps so if anyone
tries to do anything other than a single L2 or two L1's they will loose
both as the breaker will trip.  I do assume that a 20A 2 pole breaker
actually will trip based on an overload on either of the two sides
independently of what is on the other.

Thanks!
Bob


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 7:32 PM Jay Summet via EV  wrote:

>
> > I install two 120v outlets on each post along with a single 240v outlet.
> > And then a small note says, "Either one L2 or two L1's but not both".
> > Each post has properly rated #10 conductors for the 16 amps on Line1 and
> > Line2 and Ground and a #12 for Neutral since the Neutral carries either
> > zero or only the 12 amps of a single L1.
> >
> >
> > Is this legal under the NEC?
>
> It depends entirely upon your breaker size. As long as you don't have a
> breaker larger than 20 amps on either phase you should be good to go.
>
> I'm worried about you sizing the neutral smaller than the hots, as
> somebody may see the 10 AWG hot line and put a 30 amp breaker on it, not
> realizing the neutral wire still needs to be limited to 20 amps.
>
> I'm also worried about the ability for somebody to overload one of your
> hots by plugging into both the L2 and an L1 at the same time.
>
> A polite sign isn't the same as an interlock. You must assume some bozo
> will plug into the L2 and both L1's at the same time.
>
> (I assume the two 120v L1 outlets are on opposite phases of a split
> phase 240 setup for the 240v outlet.)
>
> For example, if somebody sets up a space heater that draws 15 amps on
> one of the L1 outlets, and then somebody else starts to charge their car
> at 16 amps on the 240 outlet, the total number of amps on one of your
> hots would be 31 amps, which is more than should be going over a 10 AWG
> wire.  If you had a 20 amp breaker no problem.  If you are using a 30
> amp breaker, no problem for the 240 volt circuit, but somebody could
> successfully draw 25 amps over your 10 AWG neutral if they (for example)
> had a 30 amp 120v RV circuit going through a 15 amp plug adapter.
>
> So either the breaker must trip because it's a 20 amp, or all the wires
> including the neutral must be sized to accommodate the full possible
> load, 10AWG for a 30 amp breaker.
>
> Jay
>
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Darryl McMahon via EV]

Pardon my cynicism, but what if the oil industry's interest in EV 
charging stations is not simply a relatively benign profit motive?


If an industry which sees its primary source of profits being threatened 
by EVs takes control of a significant part of the charging 
infrastructure, what is to stop them from just turning them off randomly 
and eventually removing them due 'to lack of demand'?  (Like how there 
is a 'lack of demand' for EVs in the car-buying public today.)


GM certainly did not do an effective job of maintaining their inductive 
public chargers while leasing the EV-1 in the 1990s when their profits 
were tied to selling gasoline and diesel vehicles.


What happens to the perception of EVs for potential buyers if public 
charging stations are frequently out of service, or start being removed 
as 'not cost effective' or experiencing 'lack of demand'?


If the oil industry is truly on-board with EVs, why aren't they buying 
electric car makers?  That would be a big investment and a big vote that 
the oil industry sees EVs as inevitable.


If the oil industry wants to sustain their 
'fast-fueling-at-owned-commercial-locations' business model as 
transportation fuel shifts to electricity, why is there not a massive 
campaign to install fast charging stations at their existing properties 
where their future electric car charging patrons are already refueling 
their gasoline and diesel vehicles (as they have in places with propane)?


(I have seen some stories about Petro-Canada and Shell dipping their 
toes into this niche, but nothing resembling a wholesale strategy to 
enable such a shift.  Petro-Canada's installations do seem to coincide 
with government incentive programs.)


Installing fast chargers at every property they already own for 
petroleum refuelling would also be a big investment and signal to 
potential EV buyers.


However, if my objective was to be able to create as much disruption as 
possible to EV refueling for the minimum investment (acquiring a 
choke-hold), I would be buying a controlling interest in just the 
charging network operators, and skipping the big bets on actually paying 
for fixed capital assets.


And as I read the news to date, for the most part, that is what the oil 
majors are doing.


Darryl McMahon

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https://qz.com/1542499/oil-companies-and-utilities-are-buying-up-all-the-electric-car-charging-startups/
Oil companies and utilities are buying up all the electric car charging
startups
February 5, 2019  Michael J. Coren

For decades, oil and gas companies and utilities dismissed electric cars.
Now, the old petroleum and power giants are muscling into the driver?s seat
of the ?new fuels? industry.

It?s projected to be a big business. McKinsey counts more than 350 new
electric vehicle (EV) models debuting by 2025, one of the conditions for
mass-market adoption. Global demand for gasoline is set to peak around 2021
thanks to electric vehicles (EVs) and fuel efficiency gains. The energy
research and consultancy Wood Mackenzie predicts  charging infrastructure
investment in the US will exceed $18 billion annually by 2030 for equipment,
installation, operations, and services. China is expected to have three
times more energy demand from EVs by then.

Now, fossil fuel incumbents want in. They?re investing heavily or outright
acquiring electrical infrastructure needed to supply the millions of
electric vehicles (EVs) expected in the next few years. Although just 2.2%
of the world?s vehicles are electric, a record 2 million or so EVs were sold
last year amid exponential growth.

While the numbers aren?t huge yet?for example, Shell?s $1 billion in
renewable energy and EV investments amounts amounts to just 4% of its annual
capital expenditures?they?re growing fast. Globally, $334 billion was
invested in global clean energy in 2017, reports BNEF (pdf)

Public charging infrastructure is ramping up almost everywhere, and each
region has its own unique mix of players, says Bloomberg New Energy Finance
(BNEF). In Europe, 79% of the public charging infrastructure is operated by
utilities and oil companies. In the US, 62% of the market is managed by
pure-play EV operators. In China, equipment manufacturers control the
majority.

So far, European firms are making the biggest moves. The most recent move
was Royal Dutch Shell?s purchase of Greenlots, a startup offering software
and services for EV charging networks. The British-Dutch oil giant says it
will use Greenlot?s technology, which combines software to optimize battery
charging and grid balancing services in one charging platform, to build the
?foundation? of its EV business in North America. The company is 

Re: [EVDL] EV familiarity

[Jay Summet via EV]

I install two 120v outlets on each post along with a single 240v outlet.
And then a small note says, "Either one L2 or two L1's but not both".
Each post has properly rated #10 conductors for the 16 amps on Line1 and
Line2 and Ground and a #12 for Neutral since the Neutral carries either
zero or only the 12 amps of a single L1.


Is this legal under the NEC?


It depends entirely upon your breaker size. As long as you don't have a 
breaker larger than 20 amps on either phase you should be good to go.


I'm worried about you sizing the neutral smaller than the hots, as 
somebody may see the 10 AWG hot line and put a 30 amp breaker on it, not 
realizing the neutral wire still needs to be limited to 20 amps.


I'm also worried about the ability for somebody to overload one of your 
hots by plugging into both the L2 and an L1 at the same time.


A polite sign isn't the same as an interlock. You must assume some bozo 
will plug into the L2 and both L1's at the same time.


(I assume the two 120v L1 outlets are on opposite phases of a split 
phase 240 setup for the 240v outlet.)


For example, if somebody sets up a space heater that draws 15 amps on 
one of the L1 outlets, and then somebody else starts to charge their car 
at 16 amps on the 240 outlet, the total number of amps on one of your 
hots would be 31 amps, which is more than should be going over a 10 AWG 
wire.  If you had a 20 amp breaker no problem.  If you are using a 30 
amp breaker, no problem for the 240 volt circuit, but somebody could 
successfully draw 25 amps over your 10 AWG neutral if they (for example) 
had a 30 amp 120v RV circuit going through a 15 amp plug adapter.


So either the breaker must trip because it's a 20 amp, or all the wires 
including the neutral must be sized to accommodate the full possible 
load, 10AWG for a 30 amp breaker.


Jay



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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[paul dove via EV]

Buy Tesla 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2019, at 1:20 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:
> 
> Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>> If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20
>> minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to
>> get home and fill up there.
> 
> Ah, but you underestimate the power of lawyers, laws, and money.
> 
> What if they pass laws that make it illegal to charge your EV at home, 
> because it's "dangerous"? After all, some states do not allow you to pump 
> your own gas, supposedly for "safety" reasons.
> 
> What if the power companies rig things so they "own" the electricity in your 
> EV's battery, so they can take it back for P2G to handle peak demands on the 
> grid? Since they "own" it, they can control when and where it can be put in 
> or taken back out.
> 
> What if EVs are only provided with special patented licensed charging 
> connectors, which cannot be sold for installation in private dwellings?
> 
> The oil companies are only getting involved in EV charging to make money. 
> Restricting access to increase prices is bound to be a part of their plan.
> 
> -- 
> Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
> violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move
> in the opposite direction. -- Albert Einstein
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[EVDL] EV familiarity

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

> Right now, a negligible number of people drive EVs.
> The public at large still considers them golf carts, or rich yuppie
toys.

But each of us can make a huge difference.

Back in 2011, I bought some professional EV charging Outlet signs and hung
them on the two light poles in the church parking lot that had 120v
outlets.  They were never if ever used over the next 6 years, but slowly
but surely people in the church started buying EV's because they could see
my car occasionally plulgged in and began to see the ubiquity of EV
charging wherever there is an outlet.

Now we have 20% of the active pople in the church driving EV's and most
can't wait for their gas car to die, so they too can get an EV.  And
FINALLY, in 2018, we got a lady with a Prius Plugin that had to plug in on
EVERY trip in order to get home on Electric.  So finally, over Christmas
holidays, I ran a cable to another pole where I installed our first L2.
Then a month later, I added another L2.  And now everyone wants to use
them.

So today I was going to add another L2 cord, but then realized the point
is already made.  We have 5five very visible EV charging signs in the
parking lot, and everyone knows we are in full support of EVs.  But we
decided not to install any more L2 cords, because they encourage too much
casual convenience charging that blocks those that actually need it.  So
we are going to leave the rest as just L1 and L2 socket outlets.  This
way, not everyone just immedialtey goes and uses the cord (whether they
really need it or not).

Now the lady that MUST have a charge on every visit can bring her own L2
cord and plug it into one of the other 240v outlets and quite reasonably
expect not to be blocked by someone else who does not need the charge is
going to go to the trouble of getting out their cord and using it.

So now we have capacity for five L2s (2 cords left in place) and a total
of ten L1 outlets.

It has really snowballed.  See photos:
http://aprs.org/EV-charging-signs.html

The new L2's are not shown yet, but the original two L1 outlet signs are
at the top.

I install two 120v outlets on each post along with a single 240v outlet.
And then a small note says, "Either one L2 or two L1's but not both".
Each post has properly rated #10 conductors for the 16 amps on Line1 and
Line2 and Ground and a #12 for Neutral since the Neutral carries either
zero or only the 12 amps of a single L1.


Is this legal under the NEC?

Bob
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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Lee Hart via EV]

Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

That is where voters come into the picture. Utilities and oil companies
can't do anything that the voting majority does not allow, iether directly
through their representative lawmakers or indirectly through the regulating
PUC. So, go out and vote AND educate other voters what to vote for!


Hear, hear! Absolutely right!

If we do not work for a future we want, the auto/oil companies will work 
for a future that THEY want. And their future plans for us are not 
likely to be good.


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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Lee Hart via EV]

Peri Hartman via EV wrote:

That's a scary thought. I don't see it happening though. And I think the
reason lies in the balance between home charging and public EVSE
charging. As long as there are enough people home charging, they won't
be complacent to demands by power company lawyers.

But I think there will also be a significant number - maybe 50% - of
people who will use public EVSEs. These would include people taking road
trips or extra long day excursions. But also includes people who cannot
charge at home. More and more people are moving from farm to suburbs and
from suburbs to cities. Many live in places without dedicated parking or
any private parking at all. If they own a car, they will use public
charging. Also, as ride sharing (through companies like uber or car2go)
increases, so will the need for fast charging at public EVSEs. I
maintain that there will be significant demand.


I *hope* it won't happen. But I also fear that it can.

Right now, a negligible number of people drive EVs. The public at large 
still considers them golf carts, or rich yuppie toys. The media is 
already plagued with fear-mongering stories about EV fires and crashes. 
There are plenty of astro-turf groups claiming that EV mandates are 
"raising our taxes and costing us money". So it is easy to 'sell' these 
people on plans to make these EV freaks pay more, and restrict their use.


We've already seen laws that add extra fees to license EVs. The NEC 
(National Electric Code in the US) already has a section added to place 
serious restrictions on home EV charging equipment (it's why auto 
company EVs all have that J1772 plug instead of some standard AC 
receptacle). We already have public EVSE companies that charge huge fees 
per KWH. We've already had utilities add special fees and requirements 
for EV charging.


Sooner or later, EV owners will *have* to get organized. We have to 
start lobbying for fair laws and regulations. Otherwise, the other side 
is going to slowly box us into a corner and legislate us out of the picture.


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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Peri Hartman via EV]

That's a scary thought. I don't see it happening though. And I think the 
reason lies in the balance between home charging and public EVSE 
charging. As long as there are enough people home charging, they won't 
be complacent to demands by power company lawyers.


But I think there will also be a significant number - maybe 50% - of 
people who will use public EVSEs. These would include people taking road 
trips or extra long day excursions. But also includes people who cannot 
charge at home. More and more people are moving from farm to suburbs and 
from suburbs to cities. Many live in places without dedicated parking or 
any private parking at all. If they own a car, they will use public 
charging. Also, as ride sharing (through companies like uber or car2go) 
increases, so will the need for fast charging at public EVSEs. I 
maintain that there will be significant demand.


Peri

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Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20
minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to
get home and fill up there.


Ah, but you underestimate the power of lawyers, laws, and money.

What if they pass laws that make it illegal to charge your EV at home, because it's 
"dangerous"? After all, some states do not allow you to pump your own gas, supposedly for 
"safety" reasons.

What if the power companies rig things so they "own" the electricity in your EV's 
battery, so they can take it back for P2G to handle peak demands on the grid? Since they 
"own" it, they can control when and where it can be put in or taken back out.

What if EVs are only provided with special patented licensed charging 
connectors, which cannot be sold for installation in private dwellings?

The oil companies are only getting involved in EV charging to make money. 
Restricting access to increase prices is bound to be a part of their plan.

-- Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move
in the opposite direction. -- Albert Einstein
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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Cor van de Water via EV]

That is where voters come into the picture. Utilities and oil companies
can't do anything that the voting majority does not allow, iether directly
through their representative lawmakers or indirectly through the regulating
PUC. So, go out and vote AND educate other voters what to vote for!
Cor.

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 11:18 AM Lee Hart via EV  Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> > If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a
> 20
> > minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge
> to
> > get home and fill up there.
>
> Ah, but you underestimate the power of lawyers, laws, and money.
>
> What if they pass laws that make it illegal to charge your EV at home,
> because it's "dangerous"? After all, some states do not allow you to
> pump your own gas, supposedly for "safety" reasons.
>
> What if the power companies rig things so they "own" the electricity in
> your EV's battery, so they can take it back for P2G to handle peak
> demands on the grid? Since they "own" it, they can control when and
> where it can be put in or taken back out.
>
> What if EVs are only provided with special patented licensed charging
> connectors, which cannot be sold for installation in private dwellings?
>
> The oil companies are only getting involved in EV charging to make
> money. Restricting access to increase prices is bound to be a part of
> their plan.
>
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> violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move
> in the opposite direction. -- Albert Einstein
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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Lee Hart via EV]

Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

If I know I can always charge at home, I will not twiddle my thumbs at a 20
minute FILLUP convenience store, but will only putin 5 minutes of charge to
get home and fill up there.


Ah, but you underestimate the power of lawyers, laws, and money.

What if they pass laws that make it illegal to charge your EV at home, 
because it's "dangerous"? After all, some states do not allow you to 
pump your own gas, supposedly for "safety" reasons.


What if the power companies rig things so they "own" the electricity in 
your EV's battery, so they can take it back for P2G to handle peak 
demands on the grid? Since they "own" it, they can control when and 
where it can be put in or taken back out.


What if EVs are only provided with special patented licensed charging 
connectors, which cannot be sold for installation in private dwellings?


The oil companies are only getting involved in EV charging to make 
money. Restricting access to increase prices is bound to be a part of 
their plan.


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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

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> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Shell-sh
>> ock-oil-company-embraces-EVs-with-Shell-Recharge-charging-tp4688308.h
>> tml  Shell shock> oil company embraces EVs with 'Shell Recharge'
>> charging  ... electric charging sphere. Currently, the oil company
>> has more than
>>  30,000 EV charge points in Europe ... Shell’s traditional looking “pump”
>>  EVSE> £0.49/kWh...
>>  Oct 22, 2017
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-in-ta
>> lks-with-Electric-car-makers-on-partnering-to-offer-EVSE-their-statio
>> ns-tp4687590.html  BP in talks with Electric car makers on partnering
>> to offer EVSE @their  stations  ... New Delhi, India, June 15, 2017 /
>> Adnan Abidi LONDON (Reuters) - BP is  in talks with electric vehicle
>> makers on partnering to offer battery  re-charging docks at its
>> global network of fuel service stations as it  seeks  to benefit from
>> the move away from diesel and petrol cars, Chief Executive  Bob...
>>  Aug 07, 2017
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-Fuel-
>> Cards-sez-EV-charging-a-logical-move-use-their-ice-card-to-charge-a-p
>> lugin-tp4686324.html  BP Fuel Cards sez EV-charging a 'logical move'>
>> (use their ice card to  charge a plugin?)  Apr 07, 2017 ... move and
>> it will happen within the next year or two.” BP,  which operates a
>> branded network of 1,300 sites, has already launched a  similar
>> scheme in the Netherlands after multiple fast-charging systems were
>> introduced at some of its service stations in 2011, as part of a
>> nationwide  trial. The...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
>>   http://evdl.org/archive/
>>
>>
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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[Peri Hartman via EV]

 California’s Pacific Gas & Electric, New York’s Consolidated Edison, the
 southeast’s Duke Energy Company, and others covering almost every state are
 lobbying Congress to extend EV tax credits. Pacific Gas and Electric is
 busy
 investing in thousands of fast-charging stations around the state.
 [© qz.com]



 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-giants-competing-buy-battery-121427788.html
 Oil giants are competing to buy battery companies
 February 15, 2019  Shell has also acquired Greenlots and New Motion,
 electric-car charging companies in the US and Europe, respectively. Sonnen
 also says that it has developed its own technology for electric-car
 charging, which will now become part of Shell’s growing portfolio in this
 area ... It uses lithium-iron-phosphate batteries, which are known to be
 cheaper and longer lasting than the nickel-cobalt-manganese b...
 ...

 
https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2019/02/shell-buys-sonnen-batterie.html
 Shell buys sonnen batterie
 February 15, 2019  With the help of Shell, sonnen will accelerate its
 ability to offer innovative integrated energy services and electric vehicle
 ...



 
https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/petro-canada-launching-coast-coast-ev-charging-network
 Petro-Canada
 
<https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/petro-canada-launching-coast-coast-ev-charging-networkPetro-Canada>
 Launching Coast-to-Coast EV-Charging Network
 Feb 15, 2019  CALGARY, Alberta -- Petro-Canada is building a coast-to-coast
 network of electric vehicle (EV) fast-charging stations across Canada. The
 company announced ...

 
https://cdn.winsightmedia.com/platform/files/public/2019-02/background/1800x945/petro-canada_1550260987.jpg?EoMeZ5FANDFPfplw86HazTLdoW1trd7A



 
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Greenlots-charge-paying-hell-Oil-acquired-another-EVSE-net-tp4692737.html
 Greenlots charge= paying $hell-Oil> acquired another EVSE.net
 Shell Acquires Greenlots to Lead North American EV Charging Push
 Jan 31 2019


 [dated]

 
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-U-S-Exxon-Mobil-EV-charging-network-Game-afoot-tp4674113.html
 EVLN: U.S. Exxon Mobil EV-charging-network Game afoot
 ... electric vehicles (EV) around the world. The energy giant is planning
 to
 build its own EV-charging network in the US and will start working on the
 project within six months, according to a person familiar with the matter
 who spoke with Bidness Etc. Exxon Mobil decided to enter the EV market
 as...
 Mar 07, 2015



 
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Shell-shock-oil-company-embraces-EVs-with-Shell-Recharge-charging-tp4688308.html
 Shell shock> oil company embraces EVs with 'Shell Recharge' charging
 ... electric charging sphere. Currently, the oil company has more than
 30,000 EV charge points in Europe ... Shell’s traditional looking “pump”
 EVSE> £0.49/kWh...
 Oct 22, 2017



 
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-in-talks-with-Electric-car-makers-on-partnering-to-offer-EVSE-their-stations-tp4687590.html
 BP in talks with Electric car makers on partnering to offer EVSE @their
 stations
 ... New Delhi, India, June 15, 2017 / Adnan Abidi LONDON (Reuters) - BP is
 in talks with electric vehicle makers on partnering to offer battery
 re-charging docks at its global network of fuel service stations as it
 seeks
 to benefit from the move away from diesel and petrol cars, Chief Executive
 Bob...
 Aug 07, 2017



 
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-Fuel-Cards-sez-EV-charging-a-logical-move-use-their-ice-card-to-charge-a-plugin-tp4686324.html
 BP Fuel Cards sez EV-charging a 'logical move'> (use their ice card to
 charge a plugin?)
 Apr 07, 2017 ... move and it will happen within the next year or two.” BP,
 which operates a branded network of 1,300 sites, has already launched a
 similar scheme in the Netherlands after multiple fast-charging systems were
 introduced at some of its service stations in 2011, as part of a nationwide
 trial. The...




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Re: [EVDL] Oil buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in

[SLPinfo.org via EV]

f fast-charging stations around the state.
> [© qz.com]
>
>
>
> https://finance.yahoo.com/news/oil-giants-competing-buy-battery-121427788.html
> Oil giants are competing to buy battery companies
> February 15, 2019  Shell has also acquired Greenlots and New Motion,
> electric-car charging companies in the US and Europe, respectively. Sonnen
> also says that it has developed its own technology for electric-car
> charging, which will now become part of Shell’s growing portfolio in this
> area ... It uses lithium-iron-phosphate batteries, which are known to be
> cheaper and longer lasting than the nickel-cobalt-manganese b...
> ...
>
> https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/2019/02/shell-buys-sonnen-batterie.html
> Shell buys sonnen batterie
> February 15, 2019  With the help of Shell, sonnen will accelerate its
> ability to offer innovative integrated energy services and electric vehicle
> ...
>
>
>
> https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/petro-canada-launching-coast-coast-ev-charging-network
> Petro-Canada
> <https://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels/petro-canada-launching-coast-coast-ev-charging-networkPetro-Canada>
> Launching Coast-to-Coast EV-Charging Network
> Feb 15, 2019  CALGARY, Alberta -- Petro-Canada is building a coast-to-coast
> network of electric vehicle (EV) fast-charging stations across Canada. The
> company announced ...
>
> https://cdn.winsightmedia.com/platform/files/public/2019-02/background/1800x945/petro-canada_1550260987.jpg?EoMeZ5FANDFPfplw86HazTLdoW1trd7A
>
>
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Greenlots-charge-paying-hell-Oil-acquired-another-EVSE-net-tp4692737.html
> Greenlots charge= paying $hell-Oil> acquired another EVSE.net
> Shell Acquires Greenlots to Lead North American EV Charging Push
> Jan 31 2019
>
>
> [dated]
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-U-S-Exxon-Mobil-EV-charging-network-Game-afoot-tp4674113.html
> EVLN: U.S. Exxon Mobil EV-charging-network Game afoot
> ... electric vehicles (EV) around the world. The energy giant is planning
> to
> build its own EV-charging network in the US and will start working on the
> project within six months, according to a person familiar with the matter
> who spoke with Bidness Etc. Exxon Mobil decided to enter the EV market
> as...
> Mar 07, 2015
>
>
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Shell-shock-oil-company-embraces-EVs-with-Shell-Recharge-charging-tp4688308.html
> Shell shock> oil company embraces EVs with 'Shell Recharge' charging
> ... electric charging sphere. Currently, the oil company has more than
> 30,000 EV charge points in Europe ... Shell’s traditional looking “pump”
> EVSE> £0.49/kWh...
> Oct 22, 2017
>
>
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-in-talks-with-Electric-car-makers-on-partnering-to-offer-EVSE-their-stations-tp4687590.html
> BP in talks with Electric car makers on partnering to offer EVSE @their
> stations
> ... New Delhi, India, June 15, 2017 / Adnan Abidi LONDON (Reuters) - BP is
> in talks with electric vehicle makers on partnering to offer battery
> re-charging docks at its global network of fuel service stations as it
> seeks
> to benefit from the move away from diesel and petrol cars, Chief Executive
> Bob...
> Aug 07, 2017
>
>
>
> http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/BP-Fuel-Cards-sez-EV-charging-a-logical-move-use-their-ice-card-to-charge-a-plugin-tp4686324.html
> BP Fuel Cards sez EV-charging a 'logical move'> (use their ice card to
> charge a plugin?)
> Apr 07, 2017 ... move and it will happen within the next year or two.” BP,
> which operates a branded network of 1,300 sites, has already launched a
> similar scheme in the Netherlands after multiple fast-charging systems were
> introduced at some of its service stations in 2011, as part of a nationwide
> trial. The...
>
>
>
>
> For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
>  http://evdl.org/archive/
>
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: £79k Mini EV 4sale.uk r:125mi ts:80mph 0-60mph:9.2s

[Ron Solberg via EV]

 Quoting EVDL Administrator via EV :


On 17 Feb 2019 at 2:22, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


The extra elements have added 80kg to its weight but it is still a light car
tipping the scales at just 720kg.


Almost a quarter century ago, the Evergreen Mini replica of 1995 weighed
330kg without the battery.  It could support a battery of up to 470kg,
almost 60% of the total mass!  With a modern lithium battery of that mass, I
estimate that it would have a range of over 300mi (500km).

http://www.solarmobil.net/mini.htm

Brusa's Axel Krause put a 375kg 18kwh Saft NiCd battery in one and got a
range of 220km.

http://www.evdl.org/pages/evergreen.html

Shame that they only built a few.

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Re: [EVDL] (more): EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

[paul dove via EV]

Sorry I remembered that wrong it said don’t use salt water. It’s on page 14.  
How to discharge battery 

https://elvsolutions.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/2012_I_Dismantling_guide.pdf

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> On Feb 17, 2019, at 12:49 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> Submerge?
> 
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> - Mark
> 
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:50 PM, paul dove via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> Mitsubishi says to submerge the battery in salt water. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Willie via EV  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/16/19 12:14 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
>>>> Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice 
>>>> they could throw on the battery as the flames die, to prevent flaring up?
>>> 
>>> A seemingly good idea.  Perhaps worthy of study by fire fighting people.  
>>> Two likely problems I see:
>>> 1) The logistics difficulty of having ice on hand especially considering 
>>> the rare need for it.
>>> 2) Ice COULD be counter productive by blocking water from where it is 
>>> needed.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: £79k Mini EV 4sale.uk r:125mi ts:80mph 0-60mph:9.2s

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On 17 Feb 2019 at 2:22, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

> The extra elements have added 80kg to its weight but it is still a light car
> tipping the scales at just 720kg.

Almost a quarter century ago, the Evergreen Mini replica of 1995 weighed 
330kg without the battery.  It could support a battery of up to 470kg, 
almost 60% of the total mass!  With a modern lithium battery of that mass, I 
estimate that it would have a range of over 300mi (500km).  

http://www.solarmobil.net/mini.htm

Brusa's Axel Krause put a 375kg 18kwh Saft NiCd battery in one and got a 
range of 220km.

http://www.evdl.org/pages/evergreen.html

Shame that they only built a few.

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Re: [EVDL] (more): EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

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Submerge?

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> On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:50 PM, paul dove via EV  wrote:
> 
> Mitsubishi says to submerge the battery in salt water. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 16, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Willie via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/16/19 12:14 PM, Gail Lucas via EV wrote:
>>> Would it expedite the cooling if fire departments had sacks of crushed ice 
>>> they could throw on the battery as the flames die, to prevent flaring up?
>> 
>> A seemingly good idea.  Perhaps worthy of study by fire fighting people.  
>> Two likely problems I see:
>> 1) The logistics difficulty of having ice on hand especially considering the 
>> rare need for it.
>> 2) Ice COULD be counter productive by blocking water from where it is needed.
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20190219

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EVLN: £79k Mini EV 4sale.uk r:125mi ts:80mph 0-60mph:9.2s
Fully-electric classic Mini goes on sale in the UK - You won’t believe how
much it costs
Feb 15, 2019  An all-new electric classic Mini has gone on sale in the UK.
... Another benefit of the car being electric, as well as its zero-emissions
power is the additional ...
https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/24/590x/secondary/Classic-Mini-electric-1740123.jpg?r=1550220885995


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-1st-US-Delivered-Kona-EV-in-Baltimore-MD-tp4692848.html
EVLN: 1st US Delivered Kona EV in Baltimore-MD
The First Hyundai Kona Electric Delivered In US
2019/02/15  While electric vehicles are, of course, more
environmentally-friendly than their gas-guzzling cousins, we understand this
particular Kona Electric will be going to ...
https://d2t6ms4cjod3h9.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/hyundai-kona-electric-first-delivery-us.jpg


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The Auto Sleuth: Aston Martin EV on track for 2021 launch
February 14, 2019  Aston Martin's new luxury ride will be propelled by twin
electric motors (one for each axle), making it the company's first electric
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https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-party-and-camping-mode-release-date/
Tesla’s ‘Party and Camping Mode’ coming in a ‘month or two’ says Elon Musk
February 15, 2019  Tesla owners looking forward to the release of a
dedicated “Party and Camper Mode” for their electric cars can expect a month
...
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Oil  buying up EVSE.net charging> fossil buy-in
Oil companies and utilities are buying up all the electric car charging
startups
February 5, 2019  For decades, oil and gas companies and utilities dismissed
electric cars. Now, the old petroleum and power giants are muscling into the
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[EVDL] EVLN: 1st US Delivered Kona EV in Baltimore-MD

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https://insideevs.com/first-hyundai-kona-electric-delivered-u-s/
The First Hyundai Kona Electric Delivered In U.S.
FEB 15 2019  DOMENICK YONEY

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Will be powered at least partly with renewable energy.

It’s finally happening. After months of watching the Hyundai Kona Electric
being dispatched to other territories, the first U.S. delivery has taken
place. In a ceremony yesterday, Dr. Donald Small — Director of Pediatric
Oncology at The Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center — had his all-electric
crossover handed over.

More details are expected to be released soon, but if Hyundai is following
the same path as in other markets, the “Ultimate” will be the first trim
level available. That variant starts at $44,650, while the “Limited” begins
at $41,150. The most affordable trim, the SEL package, has a base price of
$36,450 .

Hyundai and Johns Hopkins have a history together. The automaker has donated
over $2 million for cancer research there via its Hope On Wheels program.
That includes $500,000 for grants toward pediatric cancer research this past
September.

Whether this means the floodgates will open and sales will begin in the
other so-called ZEV states — California, Connecticut, Maine, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, and Vermont —
remains to be seen, but we expect they will be starting shortly, if not
right away. Apparently, this first shipment arrived at port about a week
ago. If you’re interested in the car and don’t live in one of those states,
it may be possible to arrange for its purchase through your local dealer.
Just don’t expect them to carry inventory.

While electric vehicles are, of course, more environmentally-friendly than
their gas-guzzling cousins, we understand this particular Kona Electric will
be going to a home that gets most of its energy from renewable sources. The
doctor is not new to electric vehicle ownership, having already owned an EV
for the past seven years.

If you want to follow further discussion about the Hyundai Kona Electric by
owners and fans, check out its official section on the InsideEVs Forum.

The official press release follows.

Hyundai Delivers First 2019 Kona Electric in Baltimore, Maryland

Antwerpen Hyundai Columbia in Baltimore sold the first Kona Electric
in the U.S.
Donald Small, Director of Pediatric Oncology at The Johns Hopkins
Kimmel Cancer Center, is the first U.S. customer for the 2019 Kona Electric
Hyundai Kona and Kona Electric Named 2019 North American Utility
Vehicle of the Year

BALTIMORE, MD., Feb. 15, 2019 – Hyundai marks a milestone with its first
delivery of a Kona Electric to Donald Small, M.D., Ph.D., a pediatric
oncologist and director of the Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center’s Division
of Pediatric Oncology. An early adopter of electric vehicles, and
instrumental in the installation of the plug-in station infrastructure at
The Johns Hopkins Hospital, Dr. Donald Small is an advocate and leader in
environmentally-friendly living practices including the use of zero-emission
vehicles for better air quality to reduce health problems and symptoms
related to air pollution.

Antwerpen Hyundai Columbia of Baltimore delivered the 2019 Hyundai Kona
Electric to Dr. Donald Small at his place of work at The Johns Hopkins
Children’s Center and handed the keys to the first Kona Electric sold in the
U.S. Named the 2019 North American Utility Vehicle of the Year—together with
the Hyundai Kona—the 2019 Hyundai Kona Electric rides on an all-new CUV
platform and is Hyundai’s first compact electric crossover for the U.S.
market. Kona Electric can travel up to 258 miles on a single charge.

“As a strong advocate for eco-friendly living—which includes doing my
part to reduce carbon emissions from the energy we consume—I’ve equipped my
home with 64 solar panels connected to the utility power grid, and the
surplus renewable energy we produce is fed onto the grid. By implementing
renewable energy generation with net-metering, we rely less on the grid and
produce more than 90% of our energy use,” said Dr. Donald Small. “I’ve also
been driving an electric vehicle for more than seven years, and today, I
finally have the opportunity to upgrade my EV and support a quality brand
that has committed over 15 years in funding pediatric cancer research.”

“Nothing makes me prouder than to hand the keys to the very first 2019
Hyundai Kona Electric sold in the U.S. to Dr. Donald Small,” said John
Szymanski, General Manager, Mid-Atlantic Region, Hyundai Motor America.” We
share many common values including our commitment to supporting and funding
pediatric cancer research through Hyundai’s Hope On Wheels program and our
joint commitment to a clean environment.”

Over the last 15 years, the Hyundai Hope On Wheels program, which funds
pediatric cancer research, has provided more 

[EVDL] EVLN: £79k Mini EV 4sale.uk r:125mi ts:80mph 0-60mph:9.2s

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1087644/Mini-classic-electric-car-UK-price-Swind-E
Fully-electric classic Mini goes on sale in the UK - You won’t believe how
much it costs
Feb 15, 2019  Luke John Smith

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Classic Mini electric goes on sale in the UK (Image: PH)

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Prices for the car start at £79,000 (Image: PH)

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The electric car will have 125 miles of range (Image: PH)
]

AN ALL electric classic Mini has now gone on sale in the UK and it costs a
lot of money.   

An all-new electric classic Mini has gone on sale in the UK. It has been
developed by electric conversions specialists Swindon Powertrain, and was
revealed at the London Classic Car Show.

Dubbed the Swind E Classic Mini, the car has been given a complete retrofit
to accommodate the new powertrain, battery and charging port.

The original engine, gearbox, and fuel system have been completed stripped
out and replaced. In the place of them are a 110 bhp electric motor, a 24kWh
battery pack and a charging socket.

The extra elements have added 80kg to its weight but it is still a light car
tipping the scales at just 720kg.

It can sprint from 0-60mph in around 9.2 seconds and has a top speed of just
80mph.

The range of the vehicle is rated at 125 miles meaning it is probably better
suited as a city or village car.

Another benefit of the car being electric, as well as its zero-emissions
power is the additional space inside the cabin.

As a result of the removal of the fuel tank its boot space has increased to
200-litres.

In addition to the essential electric powertrain and battery, the cars
suspension and baking system have been updated.

Inside the cabin, it has also been modernised with a range of USB ports,
underfloor heating, heated leather seats and heated from and rear
windscreen. The car can also be specified in a choice of six different
colours.

There is a number of optional extra which include electric front windows,
power steering, air conditioning, Apple CarPlay, and Android Auto among
others.

Prices for the car start at a whopping £79,000. This will be due to the
limited, exclusive and desirable nature of the car.

“This is the first time an electrified classic Mini has entered production,”
confirms Swindon Powertrain’s managing director Raphael Caillé.

“There have been one-offs and prototypes before, but Swind is the first
company to launch such a car to the public.

“The classic Mini has such a special place in people’s hearts, not only in
the UK but around the world.

“The packaging of Sir Alec Issigonis’ 1959 design was truly ground-breaking
and now we are making it relevant again.

“Its compact size and good visibility, together with contemporary
performance and handling, makes it a car you’ll want to drive in the city
and put a smile on your face.”
[© express.co.uk]


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Original Mini with modern EV powertrain goes into production
15 Feb 2019  Sixty years after the iconic, and now impossibly tiny-looking
original Mini hit the streets, a new, all-electric version has been unveiled
at the London Classic Car ...
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The Auto Sleuth: Aston Martin EV on track for 2021 launch
February 14, 2019  Aston Martin's new luxury ride will be propelled by twin
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20190218

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EVLN: 2nd-life li-ion in Woodworkers' mobile workshop van
Woodworkers' mobile workshop is powered by recycled electric car batteries
(Video)
A van conversion for woodworking professionals and craftspeople, powered by
a 'second-life' power pack that uses recycled ele...
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EVLN: 89.5kW/120HP Siemens e-Motor powered SunFlyer2 e-plane (v)
Sun Flyer 2 Successfully Accomplishes First Test Flight With Siemens
Electric Motor
... Are Closer Than You Think The electric vehicle (EV) rEVolution has been
seriously underway for the past decade, but mostly ...
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2019/02/Ground-1.jpg


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https://journal.classiccars.com/2019/02/08/kingman-kicks-with-route-66-and-electric-vehicle-museums/
Kingman kicks with Route 66 and electric vehicle museums
Feb 8, 2019  There's a line in Bobby Troup's song about getting your kicks
while traveling west that goes: “Kingman, Barstow, San Bernardino.” You can
still get your kicks in ...
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http://www.chattanoogapulse.com/columns/shades-of-green/electric-vehicle-evangelism/
Feb 13, 2019  Today one can purchase an electric vehicle (EV) made by Tesla,
Chevy, Ford, Kia ... If we can further decarbonize electricity generation
with, say, solar and wind ...
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https://www.irishmirror.ie/tv/freddie-flintoff-shock-crash-market-13986044
Freddie Flintoff has shock CRASH into market stall during Top Gear car race
11 FEB 2019  Freddie Flintoff has shock CRASH into market stall during Top
Gear car race ... reasons, Freddie's electric car struck an unmanned,
un-stocked market stall ... BBC studios spokesman said: “During filming in
Mansfield town centre, which had been closed off to members of the public
for health and safety reasons ...
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He couldn’t disengage Autopilot> (it’s not driving for you)
Tesla crashes and driver claims he couldn’t disengage Autopilot, Tesla
responds
Feb. 11th 2019  A Tesla vehicle crashed into 'several signs on the road' in
New Jersey last night and ... leverage for a person to overpower the
electric steering assist at all times ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: 89.5kW/120HP Siemens e-Motor powered SunFlyer2 e-plane (v)

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https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/15/sun-flyer-2-successfully-accomplishes-first-test-flight-with-siemens-electric-motor/
Sun Flyer 2 Successfully Accomplishes First Test Flight With Siemens
Electric Motor
February 15th, 2019  Nicolas Zart

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videos
https://youtu.be/W0TKoq-b3nA
Bye Aerospace
Sun Flyer 2 Completes First Flight with Siemens Electric Propulsion Motor

(dated)
https://vimeo.com/264701020
Sun Flyer Prototype First Flight on Vimeo
Apr 13, 2018 - Uploaded by Rebecca Berger 1:25
April 10th was a historic day at Bye Aerospace. The prototype of our
electric trainer aircraft, the Sun Flyer 2, took ...
]

Bye Aerospace Sun Flyer 2 with Siemens electric motor

And it’s off to a good start for the Sun Flyer 2 and its Siemens electric
motor. The electric airplane (e-plane) successfully accomplished its first
test flight with the new electric motor.

Bye Aerospace has been busy the past few years furiously working on this
e-plane, so the executives engineers must be over the moon about the
electric Sun Flyer 2 completing its first official flight on February 8 at
the Centennial Airport, south of Denver, Colorado.

Specifically, Bye Aerospace is focusing its flight testing on its propulsion
system, envelope expansion, and systems optimization. It is using a 57 lb
Siemens SP70D electric motor, which has a max power of 89.5 kW (120 HP) and
a continuous power setting of up to 70 kW (94 HP).

Bye Aerospace is developing a couple of aircraft in the Sun Flyer family — a
2-seat Sun Flyer 2 and a 4-seat Sun Flyer 4, as we previously reported. The
company wants to build the first FAA-certified, practical, all-electric
airplanes to serve the flight training and general aviation markets.

Bye Aerospace Sun Flyer 2 with Siemens electric motorBye Aerospace competes
with another e-plane maker, Pipistrel, which has its Alpha Electro. Stay
tuned for an interview with Pipistrel execs, as well as electric flight
leaders at Bye Aerospace and Siemens.

The FAA gave the Sun Flyer 2 FAR 23 certification last year in 2018. Bye
Aerospace will continue testing of the Sun Flyer 2 prototype through 2019.

Regarding this test flight, according to George E. Bye, CEO of Bye
Aerospace: “The airplane performed exactly as planned. My thanks to the
entire Siemens team for their participation as we enter this next, important
flight test phase of Sun Flyer 2 with the Siemens electric propulsion
system.”

The company also has 2 other projects, the Stratoairnet, a solar-electric
Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) and the Silent Falcon UAV developed by Silent
Falcon UAS Technologies you can find here.

Siemens’ Prominent Role in the Electric Aviation Industry

Siemens and its electric motors play a big role in the electric aviation
world, much like Bosch pushed along the electric bicycle (e-bike) world.
Siemens has already tested 260 kW electric motors before on European
e-planes. The truly good news is that it’s developing propulsion technology
with a whopping 10MW of power, for commercial electric aircraft for the
aviation transport sector. To date, Siemens electric motors have set at
least two speed records — the first aero tow by an electric plane and a new
world climb record with an altitude of 3,000 meters in 4 minutes and 22
seconds.

Dr. Frank Anton, Executive Vice President and Head of eAircraft, Siemens
added:

“This successful test flight is a proud moment for the Siemens and Bye
Aerospace teams and marks a milestone in bringing the age of electric flight
to life. The Siemens electric propulsion system offers a clean,
cost-efficient and silent propulsion alternative to the flight training
market without compromising performance or safety.”

Electric Airplanes Are Closer Than You Think

The electric vehicle (EV) rEVolution has been seriously underway for the
past decade, but mostly focused on land-bound vehicles. The maritime and
aviation industries are now working more seriously on the electrification of
vessels and aircraft, but in a different way from the automotive industry.
But don’t be fooled just because you don’t yet see a Tesla airplane — Bye
Aerospace and a few other electric flight pioneers are bringing electric
urban air mobility close to us.
[© cleantechnica.com]


https://www.flyingmag.com/sun-flyer-2-completes-first-flight-with-siemens-electric-motor
Sun Flyer 2 Completes First Flight with Siemens Electric Motor
Aircraft creates zero emissions and reduces noise pollution.
February 14, 2019  The Sun Flyer 2 completed its first flight powered by a
Siemens electric motor.
https://www.flyingmag.com/sites/flyingmag.com/files/styles/655_1x_/public/images/2019/02/sun_flyer_2_bye_aerospace.jpg


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http://www.chattanoogapulse.com/columns/shades-of-green/electric-vehicle-evangelism/
Feb 13, 2019  Today one can purchase an electric vehicle (EV) made by Tesla,
Chevy, Ford, Kia ... If we can further 

[EVDL] EVLN: 2nd-life li-ion in Woodworkers' mobile workshop van

[brucedp5 via EV]

https://www.treehugger.com/tiny-houses/nissan-nv300-van-workshop-wheels.html
Woodworkers' mobile workshop is powered by recycled electric car batteries
(Video)
February 11, 2019  Kimberley Mok

[images  / © Rowan While
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video  dated
https://youtu.be/CpCEv5Sppmw
NV300 Concept-van with Nissan Energy Roam: “Respecting the Past; Looking to
the Future”
Nissan Europe  Published on Jan 18, 2019  3:06
The Nissan NV300 Concept-van, a 5-year warranty LCV created in collaboration
with Studio Hardie and premiered at Brussels Motor Show, is designed to act
as a mobile workshop for creative woodworking professionals. It comes
equipped with the exciting Nissan Energy ROAM all-in-one portable
power-pack, the latest example of Nissan’s leadership on sustainable energy
technology. 
Created from recycled Nissan LEAF batteries, the Nissan Energy ROAM provides
reliable, emission-free and silent power, becoming the quintessential power
accessory, wherever you roam. 
]

A van conversion for woodworking professionals and craftspeople, powered by
a 'second-life' power pack that uses recycled electric car batteries.

The idea of being able to travel while working is a tantalizing one. For
some, that might mean becoming a digital nomad [
https://www.treehugger.com/culture/digital-nomad-location-independent-workers-redefining-work.html
], travelling slowly and plugging into various coworking spaces around the
world. For others, it might mean converting a van or a bus into a
home-on-wheels and bringing your work with you, whether that might mean
running your own business or making films.

Woodworkers, craftspeople and itinerant tinkerers can also get in the game
with this marvelous mobile workshop by Nissan, which is built out of the
company's NV300 model. Done in collaboration with UK-based Studio Hardie,
this solar-powered concept vehicle can go off-grid, and all the power tools
can be powered by an emissions-free, weatherproof power pack that is
actually made with recycled electric car batteries:

Thanks to the ceiling filled with LED lights, the van features a brightly
lit interior workspace, with plenty of storage options from boxes, cabinets
and cubbies, to peg boards that offer flexible ways to organize one's tools,
both inside and on the van's doors. As studio founder William Hardie
explains on Dezeen [
https://www.dezeen.com/2019/02/01/nissan-nv300-concept-van-mobile-hub-artisans-design/
] :

We decided to create a grid which we could anchor desks, racks and boxes
to; this gave the interior a strong and rational form. We then played with
our three-dimensional lines, adding or taking away to create a functional
Mondrian-esque grid.

The designs for the tool storage came from years of site work, thinking
about how we work, what tool you want where. We often work in far-flung
parts of the country and having such a versatile refined workspace that you
can use on site is the ideal solution.

In addition to the storage, the workspace includes a wheeled stool on metal
rails (to keep it from sliding around), as well as space to hold a portable
workbench, which can be set up outside.

Best of all, the van is equipped with Nissan's Energy ROAM all-in-one
portable and rechargeable power-pack, created from recycled Nissan LEAF
batteries. It has a a storage capacity of 700 watt-hours, and can provide a
maximum power output of one kilowatt. According to the company, it plans to
commercially roll out the power pack in Europe this spring.

While Nissan isn't intending to commercialize this van prototype, the point
here is to show that the NV300 -- which comes in a variety of sizes and
heights -- can indeed be transformed and adapted to suit a variety of
professional needs. To find out more, visit Studio Hardie [
http://www.studiohardie.com/
], Twitter [
http://www.twitter.com/william_hardie/
] and Instagram [
http://www.instagram.com/studiohardie/
] ... [© treehugger.com]


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https://journal.classiccars.com/2019/02/08/kingman-kicks-with-route-66-and-electric-vehicle-museums/
Kingman kicks with Route 66 and electric vehicle museums
Feb 8, 2019  There's a line in Bobby Troup's song about getting your kicks
while traveling west that goes: “Kingman, Barstow, San Bernardino.” You can
still get your kicks in ...
https://ccnwordpress.blob.core.windows.net/journal/2019/02/1638kingman.jpg




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