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Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one.
Anyone who thinks a $40k car is affordable is clearly not in my socio-
economic class. Teslas are cars for your class, not mine. I've never paid
that much for a new car and (adjusting for inflation) don't ever intend to.
Heck,
Willie via EV wrote:
I assume you have by now looked at the supercharge.info map as
suggested.
I haven't until now. I have a Leaf (not a Tesla), so supercharger sites
are useless to me. My EV also has a range of less than 100 miles, so
charging sites spaced farther apart wouldn't help me
Hi Willie,
I'm going by some articles that were written around ~2016. Most cited
having to use RV connections up the ALCAN Highway.
Here's one where the guy went to the Arctic Circle:
https://insideevs.com/news/354792/tesla-model-s-arctic-road-trip/
-- not exactly a trip to Disneyland.
and Text
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Hi Folks
I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius
Prime vs Chevy Bolt (both about $18k, low miles 1-2 years old). On the one
hand, the 50Mpg Prime is a no brainer, but with the complexity/service of ICE.
What is the cost per KWH to charge at a fast charger?
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FWIW those $12k-$14k Teslas are wrecked, lots of damage, probably considered
"totaled"
The cheapest listed Tesla without obvious damage is $25k
July 10, 2020 9:12 AM, "paul dove via EV" wrote:
> Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com
I believe the statistic is that they "Average" 35 miles a day. So it could be
10 miles a day Mon-Fri, 195 miles on saturday and zero on Sunday. Etc.
Still "Most" of the time a vehicle with 50 mile range will probably sufficient,
but not ALL of the time.
My wife will go months without having
Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
Okay. I hear you. I splurged. Instead of keeping my cars 16 years and
running them into the ground, I went ahead and purchased something that is
normally out of my price range.
So why? [reasons snipped...]
They are good reasons, Peter.
Being first always costs
On 10 Jul 2020 at 17:57, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
> I seem to remember someone driving a converted VW microbus
> coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 miles
> range.
This may be what you're thinking of:
Yeah sounds like a year old Chevy Bolt or Prius Prime makes the most sense. As
Consumer Reports noted in last months issue, used EVs are the most cost
effective way to go, typically 30-50% in the first year or two ). Teslas are
like Harleys, paying for the name and don’t drop much. The other
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>> Charging is no longer an issue. Most everyone is within 50 miles of a
>> SuperCharger and SuperChargers are (intelligently) spaced about 100
>> miles apart on essentially all major routes.
>
> Well; if you live in the USA on the east or west coast. But they are few and
> far between outside
> Not if I had a Tesla. But I don't. Has anyone ever driven a Leaf
> coast-to-coast? I rather doubt
> it... it would take a month!
It wouldn't surprise me. I seem to remember someone driving a converted VW
microbus coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 miles
range.
Well, the "average" price of a new ICE is right around $40k, so there are 4
long range EVS that cost less than average price, and two of them still qualify
for the $7500 tax credit.
With COVID and cheap gas, many places are offering hefty discounts on EVs. As
I said earlier, some places are
Early Leafs were $10,000 not long ago.
A hybrid?
“Give a hoot, don’t pollute!”
- Mark
Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> On Jul 10, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
> I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius
> Prime vs Chevy
I agree, I still mess up and get them wrong sometimes and I own both of them.
As an example, I ment to say 2nd Gen Chevy Volt, not Bolt. I'm guessing you
picked up on that.
> Also a shame they picked such confusing names.
> Bolt. Volt.
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 20:30 Peter VanDerWal via EV
Some that I know have called it the best car they ever owned. I don’t think
you’ll be sorry.
- Mark
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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
>
> Okay. I hear you. I splurged. Instead of keeping my cars 16 years and
> running them
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Early Leafs were $10,000 not long ago.
A hybrid?
“Give a hoot, don’t pollute!”
Well, my only ICE car is a plug-in Prius. I had to buy it used in
Massachusetts to get it, as Toyota won't sell them here. It has about a
20-mile range as an EV, which is enough for
but not to run
continuously. Weight must be reduced and coefficient of drag lowered. It's a
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I escaped quarantine on a $2,000 electric bike, and it was the distraction
from reality I desperately needed
July 2, 2020 Business Insider -Super73 is a California-based company
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On 10 Jul 2020 at 15:48, paul dove via EV wrote:
> ThatTMs nuts. Batteries are still the barrier. You canTMt even convert one
> with that much range for that price
Not so fast there. The EV economy of scale we've been talking about for 25+
years is finally happening, at least in Europe and
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Not so fast there. The EV economy of scale we've been talking about for 25+
years is finally happening, at least in Europe and Asia.
Thanks for the additional info, David. I liked this reference:
Prices of EVs in general are much lower in China than
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one...
Get that bloody Model 3 down to the price it was supposed to be, $30k. Then
introduce a couple of cheap and cheerful little basic hatchbacks the size
of, say, a VW Up and a Peugeot 208. Price them
Supposedly you can get a Chevy Bolt in some places for around $24K right now.
Even though it's 'only' rated for 238 miles, if you keep the speed below 55mph,
are frugal with the heating/cooling, and don't climb a lot of steep hills, you
can squeeze out around 300 miles.
July 9, 2020 7:34 PM,
nough
> to charge and extend but not to run continuously. Weight must be reduced
> and coefficient of drag lowered. It's a math problem. Lawrence Rhodes
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That’s nuts. Batteries are still the barrier. You can’t even convert one with
that much range for that price
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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
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> EVDL Administrator via EV wrote:
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