Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Every AI scientist, category theorist or semioticist, and cognitive psychologist just tries to redo the work of Aristotle or Spinoza with different names and in a donwgraded way, to fit the fashion prejudices and the needs of this time, that includes extreme reductionist scientifists like you.

Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
Time for some philosophy then :) Here's a paradox that's making me lose sleep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox Probably many of you already know about it. What mostly bothers me is the epistemological crisis that this introduces. I cannot find a problem with the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
In a conference Dennet said that a country with religious soldiers would be defeated by a country ruled by engineers and economists . the audience were well trained and educated atheists, but they couldnĀ“t avoid to laugh loudly at the end of the phrase. The problem with Dennet and in general

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Sep 2013, at 20:37, meekerdb wrote: On 9/11/2013 4:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Sep 2013, at 19:45, meekerdb wrote: On 9/10/2013 1:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Today we know that science proves nothing about reality, but it can refute theories, and it can provides evidences for

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: In a conference Dennet said that a country with religious soldiers would be defeated by a country ruled by engineers and economists. There is certainly some truth in that. Religion can make otherwise sane people

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Sep 2013, at 21:25, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: My point was just that the verdict against Galileo was rational, or Popperian. I don't believe that Karl Popper was as deep a thinker as many on this list do, but I

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 12, 2013 11:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :) Here's a paradox that's making me lose sleep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox Probably many of you

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Sep 2013, at 11:33, Telmo Menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :) Here's a paradox that's making me lose sleep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox Probably many of you already know about it. What mostly bothers me is the epistemological crisis that this

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Feyerabend was correct on this (at least). I ask myself why in the 21'th century would any educated man agree with a certified jackass like Feyerabend who said the church at the time of Galileo was much more faithful to

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
Which reasoning is clearly false? Here's what I'm thinking: 1) The conclusion I won't be surprised to be hanged Friday if I am not hanged by Thursday creates another proposition to be surprised about. By leaving the condition of 'surprise' open ended, it could include being surprised that the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Feynman was very bad in philosophy. Even in the philosophy of QM, he has avoided all questions, and only put in footnote some remarks showing that he did not believe in the wave collapse. He added often: don't try to

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2013/9/12 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: In a conference Dennet said that a country with religious soldiers would be defeated by a country ruled by engineers and economists. There is certainly some truth in

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-12 Thread meekerdb
On 9/12/2013 2:33 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :) Here's a paradox that's making me lose sleep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox Probably many of you already know about it. What mostly bothers me is the epistemological crisis that this

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread meekerdb
On 9/12/2013 3:30 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: In a conference Dennet said that a country with religious soldiers would be defeated by a country ruled by engineers and economists . the audience were well trained and educated atheists, but they couldnĀ“t avoid to laugh loudly at the end of the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread meekerdb
On 9/12/2013 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The difference is the following. Some say there is a broken glass, but forbid you to ask why there is a broken glass?. That is what some materialist, and all physicalist are doing for the notion of physical universe. They say that we cannot find an

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/12/2013 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The difference is the following. Some say there is a broken glass, but forbid you to ask why there is a broken glass?. That is what some materialist, and all physicalist are

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-12 Thread meekerdb
On 9/12/2013 6:42 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 3:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/12/2013 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The difference is the following. Some say there is a broken glass, but forbid you to