I am waiting for Russell to give the thumbs up on the print version - I
still prefer print for some things like books.
Cheers,
Chris
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On 08 Mar 2014, at 06:16, meekerdb wrote:
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On 7 March 2014 18:29, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/6/2014 9:15 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
A related question is,
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On 08 Mar 2014, at 14:07, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bruno - I read below but am answering here. You're sincere and
I'm not getting my single point across to you. I'm about done trying
I think. I've taken a lot of value from the process and it's shame
if you haven't but sincerity was
On 08 Mar 2014, at 20:50, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/8/2014 12:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
The existence of the UD is a consequence of elementary axioms in
arithmetic (like x+0=x, etc.).
I can't hardly imagine something less random than that.
But we don't know that it exists.
?
I just said:
On 08 Mar 2014, at 14:27, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Bruno,
Yes, of course I agree the physical universe is not primitive.
OK. So what is primitive?
How many times do I have to say that it arises from computational
space before it registers with you?
I got that, but I still miss your
On 08 Mar 2014, at 06:32, LizR wrote:
On 6 March 2014 22:06, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Liz, meanwhile you might try this one, which is a bit more easy than
the transitivity case:
Show that (W,R) respects []A - A if and only if R is ideal.
(I remind you that R is ideal means
On 08 Mar 2014, at 09:39, Chris de Morsella wrote:
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Liz, you are doing the same thing, Chris does, which, when confronted with
someone who disagrees with their world view, hurls snarky accusations. This is
not a good thing, but I do admit, yourself, Chris, and me, are, at times, ruled
by our amygdala, our limbic systems. This is part of being a
On 08 Mar 2014, at 12:32, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:16 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Bruno, I am shocked and saddened to hear what has been done to
you. You have my greatest sympathies. (I too have been susceptible
to manipulation, as I am rather shy and
On 08 Mar 2014, at 06:20, LizR wrote:
On 6 March 2014 22:06, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 05 Mar 2014, at 23:31, LizR wrote:
Let's take 3 worlds A B C making a minimal transitive multiverse.
ARB and BRC implies ARC. So if we assume ARB and BRC we also get ARC
Right.
(if
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally valid
with which I disagree. Science selects theories based on which best explain
the observable universe. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that theories
DO reflect actual reality. They are not just made up by
Let me try that again:
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 11:08 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
There's no plausible theory by which clouds could nullify the warming
caused by increased CO2
If not clouds it's crystal clear that SOMETHING is capable of
nullifying the warming caused by increased CO2
On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:09:32 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 9 March 2014 00:18, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
this is what the Clash predicted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkyCrx4DyMk
I stumbled on itconsidering it's meant to be Punk, I was surprised
how good it is. Good
On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote:
I not only know they're very violent I know why they're violent. If
government made chocolate bars illegal the demand for chocolate bars would
not end and organizations would come into existence to fill that demand.
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 1:34 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
A black market degenerates into a cutthroat cartel
True, but the blackness of the market has nothing to do with the nature of
the commodity being transacted, it's black because somebody in government
decided to make it
On 3/9/2014 12:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On 8 March 2014 08:14, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
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On 7 March 2014 18:29, meekerdb
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Liz, you are doing the same thing, Chris does, which, when confronted with
someone who disagrees with their world view, hurls snarky accusations. This
is not a good thing, but
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On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:39 AM, Chris
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On Saturday, March 8, 2014 9:09:32 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 9
On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally valid
with which I disagree. Science selects theories based on which best explain
the observable universe.
This is true. David Deutsch argues for this
Yes, there were quite a few punk-style bands in the 60s, although memory
fails me apart from the obvious, the Velvet Underground and associated
spinoffs (John Cale in particular). One song in particular - I just
remember this line about an ice cream cone, but the rest escapes me.
On 10 March
On 10 March 2014 01:39, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Liz, you are doing the same thing, Chris does, which, when confronted with
someone who disagrees with their world view, hurls snarky accusations.
Actually I was satirising the paragraph of yours I quoted, which mentioned
Stalin at least 3
On 3/9/2014 1:46 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net
mailto:edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally valid
with which
I disagree. Science selects theories based on which best explain
On 10 March 2014 10:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/9/2014 1:46 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally
valid with which I disagree. Science selects theories
Sorry, that wasn't quite what I meant. I should have said there were some
60s songs that were fairly punk style, one of which mentioned an ice cream
cone but I can't remember anything else about it.
As a separate point, Cale was (probably) the most punkish of the Velvets
imho - Leaving it up to
On 3/9/2014 2:40 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 10:20, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/9/2014 1:46 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 02:15, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net
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Russell,
Yes, but
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On 3/9/2014 2:40 PM, LizR wrote:
God did it isn't a theory or an explanation unless it goes into more
depth about what God is, why it exists and how it does things, and uses
these details to make some testable predictions that
I think I need the sequel.
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Yah. Its way too late. You have gotten me reflecting on the old saying
by Tip Oneil, who said All politics is local. I would paraphrase this
and say all politics is personel. I can observe two things, despite my
diminished capacity. One is that the climate is not behaving at all
like you
On Sun, Mar 09, 2014 at 06:15:07AM -0700, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Russell,
Yes, but that is crazy because it assumes all theories are equally valid
with which I disagree. Science selects theories based on which best explain
the observable universe. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that
On 10 March 2014 12:38, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
But my point remains, at this point in time, intrasubjective consistency is
not sufficient to demonstrate the existence of an external reality
independent of the process of observation, contra Edgar's claim.
Even the
Hi Bruno
With respect to the UDA, graves and me are just using different
vocabulary.
Really?
the last time I quoted her:
What ... should Alice expect to see? Here I invoke the following premise:
whatever she knows she will see, she should expect (with certainty!) to see.
Surely QM + collapse makes the prediction that there is a mechanism that
causes the collapse (e.g. Penrose's idea about it being gravitational) and
therefore predicts that at some point that mechanism will kick in, so we
can only have superpositions up to a particular size? While QM on its own
On 3/9/2014 5:36 PM, LizR wrote:
Surely QM + collapse makes the prediction that there is a mechanism that causes the
collapse (e.g. Penrose's idea about it being gravitational) and therefore predicts that
at some point that mechanism will kick in, so we can only have superpositions up to a
On 10 March 2014 14:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/9/2014 5:36 PM, LizR wrote:
Surely QM + collapse makes the prediction that there is a mechanism that
causes the collapse (e.g. Penrose's idea about it being gravitational) and
therefore predicts that at some point that
On 3/9/2014 6:34 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 14:15, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 3/9/2014 5:36 PM, LizR wrote:
Surely QM + collapse makes the prediction that there is a mechanism that
causes the
collapse (e.g. Penrose's idea about it
On 10 March 2014 14:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
So exactly how has MWI dealt with this? Everett just sort of said it has
to be that way, i.e. humans are like measuring instruments and so they make
measurements which diagonalize their reduced density matrix (but not the
whole
For some reason google decided to post that last post just as I was about
to remove iirc.from in front of recall.
I'm sure it had good reasons for doing so...
On 10 March 2014 15:00, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 March 2014 14:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
So exactly how
On 3/9/2014 7:00 PM, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 14:54, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
So exactly how has MWI dealt with this? Everett just sort of said it has
to be that
way, i.e. humans are like measuring instruments and so they make
measurements
On 3/9/2014 7:01 PM, LizR wrote:
For some reason google decided to post that last post just as I was about to remove
iirc.from in front of recall.
I rely on the kindness of strangers...to correct my typos.
Brent
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Yah. Its way too late. You have gotten me reflecting on the old saying by Tip
Oneil, who said All politics is local. I would paraphrase this and say all
politics is personel. I can observe two things, despite my diminished
capacity. One is that the climate is not behaving at all like you
On 10 March 2014 15:09, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Decoherence is what I described above. It's tracing over the environment
variables, having selected what counts as environment and what as
instrument/observer, in order to get the reduced density matrix and then
saying Obviously we
On 10 March 2014 12:19, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
One is that the climate is not behaving at all like you been stating.
Could you be more specific? There appear to have been plenty of extreme
weather events recently, but it's possible they're more noticeable because
more people are likely to
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 01:09:43PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 12:38, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
But my point remains, at this point in time, intrasubjective consistency is
not sufficient to demonstrate the existence of an external reality
independent of the
On 10 March 2014 16:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 01:09:43PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 12:38, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
But my point remains, at this point in time, intrasubjective
consistency is
not
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 04:55:27PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 16:50, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 01:09:43PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 10 March 2014 12:38, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
But my point remains, at this
On 09 Mar 2014, at 23:01, LizR wrote:
I think I need the sequel.
Nice. OK. (asap).
Bruno
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