Re: Turing test passed? Another sucker born every minute

2014-06-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 10:04:48AM -0400, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 4:06 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Mathematica discovers new solutions to Differential Equations that have never been solved before every hour of every day; if you mean basic

RE: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Mikes Dear Chris, not that your answer sounds a bit vague - I have deeper problems. I can understand your point of view – though I am not quite certain what it is either. However

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 21 June 2014 16:00, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:14 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: that doesn't actually alter the logic of the argument, which is only concerned with what he reports in his diary. He? 3 people are keeping a diary, one writes

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and ultraviolet, and the fact that there is a missed opportunity in visible green is a relatively insignificant blip? After all we only see less than one light

Re: Pluto bounces back!

2014-06-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
The blasphemy problem concerning religious text that was brought up by Bruno in this thread, is present in Christianity/bible. What I have difficulty understanding is how people who know that their God has irreducible attributes that we cannot begin to comprehend, stick so close to a text, that

Re: O-machines

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:30, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: More important the mere Oracle Machinery are O-regions, which were conjectured about 14 years ago bt Gauriga and Vilenkin. http://arxiv.org/pdf/gr-qc/0102010.pdf ? I don't see any relation between Oracle (in Turing sense)

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 6:29 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: I won't enter with you again on this debate Coward. Call him a coward johnnie boy OK I will ghibbsaboy. wot about you? At least I have enough courage to sign my real name, the name on my birth certificate is John K Clark,

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-22 Thread jross
I greatly appreciate the criticism of you, Liz and John Clark, but I have seen nothing that has caused me to back down on any portion of my theory. I never expected that my defense of my theory would be easy, since I am up against the Standard Model and Einstein's theories of relativity. I do

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Jun 2014, at 22:49, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Jun 2014, at 19:51, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Thanks. It looks

Re: O-machines

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2014, at 00:38, LizR wrote: As far as I can see the only connection here is the fact they both used the letter O. O-regions are interesting of course but don't appear to be relevant to the current discussion? On the subject of O-machines, in the case of Olympia I believe this

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2014, at 02:00, LizR wrote: PS I must say I find step 3 an odd place to attempt to refute comp. Presumably you've accepted the original assumptions and the first two steps. Most people either disagree with the original assumption(s), or go for the MGA (i.e. the reversal - the

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2014, at 02:00, LizR wrote: PS I must say I find step 3 an odd place to attempt to refute comp. Presumably you've accepted the original assumptions and the first two steps. Most people either disagree with the original assumption(s), or go for the MGA (i.e. the reversal - the

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:15 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: the probability that Mr. He will see Moscow is 1.0 not 0.5 as Bruno says. I agree, Good. but But? There is no but, Bruno predicted 0.5, we observe 1.0, game over. I don't see that it invalidates his argument. In

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 19 Jun 2014, at 19:25, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You mean that you made many attempts to find a blunder, but we were more than three to show you that in each case, you were confusing 1-views and 3-views. That was your

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Jun 2014, at 19:49, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:15 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: the probability that Mr. He will see Moscow is 1.0 not 0.5 as Bruno says. I agree, Good. but But? There is no but, Bruno predicted 0.5, we observe 1.0, game over. OK. That

Re: Disproving physicalism from COMP

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jun 2014, at 01:20, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 07:53:55PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: And why do you say that anybody (whether zombie or not) can *prove* the existence of primitive matter? We don't know that for a fact. I played the devil advocate. I put my

Re: Disproving physicalism from COMP

2014-06-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 20 Jun 2014, at 05:09, meekerdb wrote: On 6/19/2014 10:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Why is that a contradiction? In fact there are two contradictions. I explain the contradiction which is relate to about. 'To prove A', classically, is equivalent to showing that ~A leads to a

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread John Mikes
Maybe a BLACK tree? how 'bout barking in humanly non-audible spectrum-parts of the frequencies? dogs may hear it. How 'bout if your question touches items beyond our humanly accessible/accessed inventory? Consider my appreciative reply within those parts. JM On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:19 AM, LizR

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19:24PM +1200, LizR wrote: Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and ultraviolet, and the fact that there is a missed opportunity in visible green is a relatively

Re: TRONNIES - SPACE

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 23 June 2014 04:53, jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I do take some comfort in Stephen Hawking's conclusions in his Theory of Everything that science has become too complicated and that we need to discover a complete theory that in time should be understandable in broad principal by

Re: Solar power's bright future [ may be brighter thanks to us aping the quantum trickery of certain algae (cryptophytes specifically)]

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 23 June 2014 11:29, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:19:24PM +1200, LizR wrote: Is it possible that plants are actually efficient in other parts of the spectrum that we can't see? Maybe they utilise a lot of infra red and ultraviolet, and the fact

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 23 June 2014 05:49, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:15 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: the probability that Mr. He will see Moscow is 1.0 not 0.5 as Bruno says. I agree, Good. but But? There is no but, Bruno predicted 0.5, we observe 1.0,

Re: Selecting your future branch

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 23 June 2014 06:24, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Jun 2014, at 19:49, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:15 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: the probability that Mr. He will see Moscow is 1.0 not 0.5 as Bruno says. I agree, Good. but But? There

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
On 23 June 2014 04:51, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I apply math on the mathematician (the dreamer) like Everett applied physics on the physicians. I suspect you meant to say physicists. Physicians are doctors :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-22 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:59 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 June 2014 04:51, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: I apply math on the mathematician (the dreamer) like Everett applied physics on the physicians. I suspect you meant to say physicists. Physicians are doctors :-)

Re: Quantum Logic as Classical Logic

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
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RE: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-22 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Thought this bit of news was interesting. Yes. it was a holiday, but still more than half of a summer day peak demand of the major European economy coming from solar electricity, is a pretty major milestone. Chris http://phys.org/news/2014-06-germany-day-energy-percent-solar.html The

Re: Germany sets record for peak energy use - 50 percent comes from solar (Update)

2014-06-22 Thread LizR
Cool! (So to speak) On 23 June 2014 16:25, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Thought this bit of news was interesting. Yes… it was a holiday, but still more than half of a summer day peak demand of the major European economy coming from solar