Re: DeepMind Takes A step Towards General AI!

2022-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 6:16 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> the rest of us will decide to unplug*. If humans decide to unplug a sentient computer isn't that murder? And morally how is that different from a sentient computer deciding to unplug

Re: DeepMind Takes A step Towards General AI!

2022-06-19 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Terrifying then if our species permits AI control over us. Or, as it will break down, when the AI and its human supporters, ideologically-driven serfs, investors, induce loss of life, then the rest of us will decide to unplug. A flawed human is an every-second event, a machine that makes

DeepMind Takes A step Towards General AI!

2022-06-19 Thread John Clark
It's clear that DeepMind still makes mistakes, but I am reminded of what Alan Turing said, "*If a machine is expected to be infallible, it cannot also be intelligent*". DeepMind Takes A Step Towards General AI! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hXsUNr3TXs> John K ClarkSee

Re: Google’s Imagen AI: Outrageously Good!

2022-06-12 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
John, just think! The contribution to the vast, pornography industry will be phenomenal.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2022 12:54 pm Subject: Google’s Imagen AI: Outrageously Good! Google’s Imagen AI: Outrageously Good

Google’s Imagen AI: Outrageously Good!

2022-06-11 Thread John Clark
Google’s Imagen AI: Outrageously Good! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyOW6fmkgrc> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Every

DeepMind's new AI thinks it's a Genius

2022-05-22 Thread John Clark
Surprisingly the area where this AI had the most difficulty was in answering mathematical questions, but I would think if they just teamed it up with Mathematica that deficiency could be easily remedied. DeepMind’s New AI Thinks It Is A Genius! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPiHhJjN3hI>

Re: The amazing progress of AI

2022-05-17 Thread Lawrence Crowell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPCI1-ZvwOg On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:24:53 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > It seems like it was only yesterday people were saying AI was no good at > image recognition and never would be, but they can't say that any longer. > > Integrated A

Re: The amazing progress of AI

2022-05-17 Thread Lawrence Crowell
This is progress. These abilities are trivial for humans, but just a few years ago nearly impossible for cybers. LC On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 12:24:53 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > It seems like it was only yesterday people were saying AI was no good at > image recognition and

The amazing progress of AI

2022-05-15 Thread John Clark
It seems like it was only yesterday people were saying AI was no good at image recognition and never would be, but they can't say that any longer. Integrated AI - Flamingo by DeepMind (Apr/2022) - Visual LM with Ch <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8IV8WLVI8I> John K ClarkSee what's

DeepMind’s New AI Finally Enters The Real World!

2022-05-04 Thread John Clark
DeepMind’s New AI Finally Enters The Real World! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxyZSxnTrZs> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Every

Re: DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of!

2022-03-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Terrific article, Jason and thanks. Now for the other shoe dropping Jason. Ahem! AI suggested 40,000 new possible chemical weapons in just six hours For me, the concern was just how easy it was to do https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22983197/ai-new-possible-chemical-weapons-generative-models-vx

Re: DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of!

2022-03-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
inventions, however useful Minsky's old concept is, and I am not saying it is not. Simply, say, QC and AI needs be focused on say a better solar panel, a fully implantable, reliable, artifical heart, cancer treatments, methods for climate remediation that don't kill off the human species, cheap

Re: DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of!

2022-03-18 Thread Jason Resch
or improve upon, our inventions. Stuff we may not > have noted for decades as human researchers. Otherwise your hypercomputes > are just wondrous code crackers. > AI has invented things that have been awarded patents: https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/#Invention The AI centau

Re: DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of!

2022-03-18 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 2:05 PM wrote: *> Well JC, I for one was never a fan othe marvin minsky, Guy in a Box, or > for that matter, Alan Turing's fool me once, approach.* > Huh? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis idu > > --

Re: DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of!

2022-03-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
are just wondrous code crackers.  -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Fri, Mar 18, 2022 7:12 am Subject: DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of! DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of! John K Clark -- You

DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of!

2022-03-18 Thread John Clark
DeepMind's New AI: As Smart As An Engineer... Kind Of! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_cxDgR1x-c> John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emai

Re: WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change

2022-03-01 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
le,(elites) that saving their own necks is a lot more urgent then Climate Extinction.  -Original Message- From: Philip Benjamin To: Everything List Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2022 10:24 am Subject: FW: WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change #yiv5688830279 #yiv5688830279 -- _filtere

Re: WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change

2022-03-01 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
List Cc: general_the...@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Feb 28, 2022 10:23 am Subject: WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change [Philip Benjamin]      Definition: WAMP-the-Ingrate = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism), including Hollywood, the stealing beneficiary of the Augustinian T

FW: WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change

2022-02-28 Thread Philip Benjamin
general_the...@googlegroups.com<mailto:general_the...@googlegroups.com> Subject: WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change [Philip Benjamin] Definition: WAMP-the-Ingrate = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism), including Hollywood, the stealing beneficiary of the Augusti

WAMP's Fallacies on Conscious AI & Climate Change

2022-02-28 Thread Philip Benjamin
[Philip Benjamin] Definition: WAMP-the-Ingrate = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism), including Hollywood, the stealing beneficiary of the Augustinian Trust. WAMP's recent publications are "typical" logical fallacies of misrepresentation of facts, very subtle on both AI and sea le

Re: NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics

2022-02-25 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Feb 24, 2022 9:30 pm Subject: Re: NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 9:06 PM wrote: > This, unrelated to progress in quantum computing. Or independent of. Yes, information processing technology is advanc

Re: NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics

2022-02-24 Thread John Clark
er impact on the future. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> iai > > > -Original Message- > From: John Clark > To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2022 6:17 am > Subject: NVID

Re: NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics

2022-02-24 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
This, unrelated to progress in quantum computing. Or independent of. -Original Message- From: John Clark To: 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2022 6:17 am Subject: NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics Incredibly rapid progress in this field occurred two months

NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics

2022-02-22 Thread John Clark
Incredibly rapid progress in this field occurred two months ago, and then even more rapid progress happened just one month ago. I can't help but wonder what will happen next month. NVIDIA’s New AI: Instant Neural Graphics <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8tMk-GE8hY> John K Clark -

Re: GPT-4 and Seed AI

2021-09-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
enter. “That’s an important point: wormholes are there, so we can use them to our advantage.” “There are a lot of things -Original Message- From: John Clark To: spudboy...@aol.com Cc: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, Sep 20, 2021 4:48 pm Subject: Re: GPT-4 and Seed AI O

Re: GPT-4 and Seed AI

2021-09-20 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 1:50 PM wrote: https://6b.eleuther.ai/ It still needs work. I Think the ability to detect nonsense is important so I asked it "*What is the oblong backstory of the refractory backhoe?*" and instead of telling me my question was pure gibberish, as anyhuman would. it

Re: GPT-4 and Seed AI

2021-09-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Sent: Mon, Sep 20, 2021 8:07 am Subject: GPT-4 and Seed AI spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > My Trumpian amygdala has flat out taken my neocortex hostage. As we say in > Trumpville, Golly!  While you are undertaking that arduous task, you never > got a chance to address th

GPT-4 and Seed AI

2021-09-20 Thread John Clark
//towardsdatascience.com/gpt-4-will-have-100-trillion-parameters-500x-the-size-of-gpt-3-582b98d82253 This link was uncharacteristically interesting and reinforces my opinion that human level AI can't be very far away, and once that level has been achieved the attainment of superhuman AI can o

AI neural net improves 3D RNA structure prediction​s​

2021-08-28 Thread John Clark
mprovement is needed. AI neural nets improves 3D RNA structure prediction <https://science.sciencemag.org/content/373/6558/1047> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> c88 -- You received this message because you are subscribe

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-13 Thread Lawrence Crowell
There is no reason consciousness is restricted to only one of these three. For that matter, self-reference in the Turing machine sense involves information. Function is just another way of thinking of an algorithm. LC On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 1:46:39 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > In your opinion

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-13 Thread Tomas Pales
On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 4:39:25 PM UTC+2 Bruno Marchal wrote: > but I would say that self-reference in the sense of intrinsic identity of > an object explains qualitative properties of consciousness (qualia). > > > But what is a object? What is intrinsic identity? And why that would give

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 4 Jul 2021, at 21:17, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > On 7/4/2021 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 19 Jun 2021, at 13:17, smitra wrote: >>> >>> Information is the key. Conscious agents are defined by precisely that >>> information that specifies the content of

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 4 Jul 2021, at 17:40, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 8:46:39 PM UTC+2 Jason wrote: > In your opinion who has offered the best theory of consciousness to date, or > who do you agree with most? Would you say you agree with them wholeheartedly > or do you find points

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-06 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jul 4, 2021 at 7:56 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Suppose there is an AI that behaves more intelligently than the most >> intelligent human who ever lived, however when the machine is opened up to >> see how this intelligence is actually achieved one consciousness theo

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-04 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 7/4/2021 4:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jun 2021, at 13:17, smitra wrote: Information is the key. Conscious agents are defined by precisely that information that specifies the content of their consciousness. This means that a conscious agent can never be precisely located in some

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-04 Thread Tomas Pales
On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 8:46:39 PM UTC+2 Jason wrote: > In your opinion who has offered the best theory of consciousness to date, > or who do you agree with most? Would you say you agree with them > wholeheartedly or do you find points if disagreement? > > I am seeing several related

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jun 2021, at 16:02, John Clark wrote: > > Suppose there is an AI that behaves more intelligently than the most > intelligent human who ever lived, however when the machine is opened up to > see how this intelligence is actually achieved one consciousness theory >

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jun 2021, at 13:17, smitra wrote: > > Information is the key. Conscious agents are defined by precisely that > information that specifies the content of their consciousness. This means > that a conscious agent can never be precisely located in some physical > object, because the

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jun 2021, at 02:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > I'm most with Dennett. I see consciousness as having several different > levels, which are also different levels of self-reference. Different modes, yes (“level” is already used to describe the Doctor(s coding

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-07-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Jun 2021, at 20:46, Jason Resch wrote: > > In your opinion who has offered the best theory of consciousness to date, or > who do you agree with most? Would you say you agree with them wholeheartedly > or do you find points if disagreement? > > I am seeing several related thoughts

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-21 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 6:51 PM Jason Resch wrote: > *Anything we can identify as having universal utility or describe as a > universal goal we can use to predict the long term direction of technology, > even if humans are no longer the drivers of it.* > Goals are always in a constant state of

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
For sure Jason, and discovering conscious agents in the cosmos may take a rather significant research grant, me thinks. -Original Message- From: Jason Resch To: Everything List Sent: Sun, Jun 20, 2021 5:49 pm Subject: Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/20/2021 3:51 PM, Jason Resch wrote: It's not impossible if there are universal goals. Even a paperclip maximizer will have the meta goal of increasing its knowledge, during which time it may learn to escape its programming, just as the human brain may transcended its biological

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
-Original Message- From: smitra To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2021 7:17 am Subject: Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness? This resolves paradoxes you get in thought experiments where you consider simulating a brain

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
Thanks, I had heard the phenomenon described before. Poincare gives probably the best description of it that I've seen. Jason On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 4:47 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Sorry. I thought Poincare' effect was a common term, but

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 2:48 PM John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 11:36 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> I'm enormously impressed with Deepmind and I'm an optimist regarding >>> AI, but I'm not quite that optimistic. >>> >> >> *>Are you fam

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread Jason Resch
not sure however that I agreed with his theorem that purports to prove inverted qualia. I'll have to read more on that. Jason > > > -Original Message- > From: smitra > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2021 7:17 am > Subject: Re: Which p

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 2:28 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> If so then consciousness is the inevitable byproduct of intelligent >> behavior. > > > * > Yes, I agree with that. But I don't think either intelligence or > consciousness are

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/20/2021 2:43 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 8:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: /> Certain values are built in by evolution, values related to reproducing mostly/ Humans don't have a fixed hierarchical

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/20/2021 2:26 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 7:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: /> This depends on how we define consciousness.  If it means imagining and using simulations in which you represent yourself in

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 8:46 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Certain values are built in by evolution, values related to reproducing > mostly* Humans don't have a fixed hierarchical goal structure, our values are in a constant state of flux,

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-20 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 7:17 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *> This depends on how we define consciousness. If it means imagining and > using simulations in which you represent yourself in order to plan your > actions then maybe natural

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 4:12 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: /> For example, wee could rule out many theories and narrow down on those that accept "organizational invariance" as Chalmers defines it. This is the principle that if one entity is consciousness, and another

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 3:20 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 5:57 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > /What I think is missing in the JKC's idea that intelligence is//interesting and understandable but consciousness isn't, is

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 12:48 PM, John Clark wrote: I know Darwinian Evolution produced me and I know for a fact that I am conscious, but Natural Selection can't see consciousness any better than we can directly see consciousness in other people, This depends on how we define consciousness.  If it

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 12:48 PM, John Clark wrote: Of my own free will, I consciously decide to go to a restaurant. /Why? / Because I want to. /Why ? / Because I want to eat. /Why?/ Because I'm hungry? /Why ?/ Because lack of food triggered nerve impulses  in my stomach , my braininterpreted these

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 05:48, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 11:36 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> I'm enormously impressed with Deepmind and I'm an optimist regarding >>> AI, but I'm not quite that optimistic. >>> >> >> *>Are you fam

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 5:57 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *What I think is missing in the JKC's idea that intelligence is* *interesting > and understandable but consciousness isn't, is that he* *leaves out > values. Intelligence is define in

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 8:54 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 6:17 AM smitra > wrote: Information is the key.  Conscious agents are defined by precisely that information that specifies the content of their consciousness. While I think this is true, I

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 8:35 AM, Jason Resch wrote: You appear to operate according to a "mysterian" view of consciousness, which is that we cannot ever know. Several philosophers of mind have expressed this, such as Thomas Nagel I believe. I have some sympathy with this view, but I ask "cannot know

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
Sorry.  I thought Poincare' effect was a common term, but apparently not.  Here's his description starting about half way thru this essay http://vigeland.caltech.edu/ist4/lectures/Poincare%20Reflections.pdf Brent On 6/19/2021 7:52 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 8:59 PM 'Brent

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 11:36 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> I'm enormously impressed with Deepmind and I'm an optimist regarding AI, >> but I'm not quite that optimistic. >> > > *>Are you familiar with their Agent 57? -- a single algorithm that > mastered all 57 Atar

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
- From: smitra To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jun 19, 2021 7:17 am Subject: Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness? Information is the key.  Conscious agents are defined by precisely that information that specifies the content

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/19/2021 4:17 AM, smitra wrote: Information is the key.  Conscious agents are defined by precisely that information that specifies the content of their consciousness. This means that a conscious agent can never be precisely located in some physical object, because the information that

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 6:17 AM smitra wrote: > Information is the key. Conscious agents are defined by precisely that > information that specifies the content of their consciousness. While I think this is true, I don't know of a consciousness theory that is explicit in terms of how information

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
h Deepmind and I'm an optimist regarding AI, > but I'm not quite that optimistic. > Are you familiar with their Agent 57? -- a single algorithm that mastered all 57 Atari games at a super human level, with no outside direction, no specification of the rules, and whose only input was the "

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 8:59 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > On 6/18/2021 5:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > - Is consciousness inherent to any intelligent process? > > > > I think the answer is yes, what do you think? > > > Not just any

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread John Clark
Suppose there is an AI that behaves more intelligently than the most intelligent human who ever lived, however when the machine is opened up to see how this intelligence is actually achieved one consciousness theory doesn't like what it sees and concludes that despite its great intelligence

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread smitra
Information is the key. Conscious agents are defined by precisely that information that specifies the content of their consciousness. This means that a conscious agent can never be precisely located in some physical object, because the information that describes the conscious experience will

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-19 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 8:17 PM Jason Resch wrote: *>Deepmind has succeeded in building general purposes learning algorithms. > Intelligence is mostly a solved problem,* > I'm enormously impressed with Deepmind and I'm an optimist regarding AI, but I'm not quite that optimistic. If int

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/18/2021 5:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: - Is consciousness inherent to any intelligent process? I think the answer is yes, what do you think? Not just any intelligent process.  But any at human (or even dog) level.  I think human level consciousness depends on language or similar

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-18 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
I'm most with Dennett.  I see consciousness as having several different levels, which are also different levels of self-reference.  At the lowest level even bacteria recognize (in the functional/operational sense) a distinction between "me" and "everything else".  A little above that, some

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-18 Thread Jason Resch
ning algorithms. Intelligence is mostly a solved problem, for at least almost all capabilities of human intelligence. I wrote an article detailing this recently: https://alwaysasking.com/when-will-ai-take-over/ But questions of consciousness are no less important nor less pressing: - Is this uploaded

Re: Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-18 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 2:46 PM Jason Resch wrote: *>In your opinion who has offered the best theory of consciousness to date, > or who do you agree with most?* One consciousness theory is as good as another because there are no facts such a theory must fit. About all I can say is

Which philosopher or neuro/AI scientist has the best theory of consciousness?

2021-06-18 Thread Jason Resch
In your opinion who has offered the best theory of consciousness to date, or who do you agree with most? Would you say you agree with them wholeheartedly or do you find points if disagreement? I am seeing several related thoughts commonly expressed, but not sure which one or which combination is

Physics and AI with Julia

2020-09-26 Thread Philip Thrift
https://github.com/SciML/SciMLTutorials.jl Video and tutorials for doing scientific machine learning and high-performance differential equation solving with Julia (programming language). -- @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Max Tegmark announces new Physics+AI center

2020-08-28 Thread 'Gunn Quznetsov' via Everything List
IAIFI will advance physics knowledge — from the smallest building blocks of nature to the largest structures in the universe — and galvanize AI research innovation. By merging research in physics and AI, the IAIFI seeks to tackle some of the most challenging problems in physics, including precision

Max Tegmark announces new Physics+AI center

2020-08-26 Thread Philip Thrift
the smallest building blocks of nature to the largest structures in the universe — and galvanize AI research innovation. By merging research in physics and AI, the IAIFI seeks to tackle some of the most challenging problems in physics, including precision calculations of the structure of matter

Max Tegmark"s update on his AI-based physics

2020-07-06 Thread Philip Thrift
https://twitter.com/tegmark/status/1280172278509166592? (on YouTube July 8) @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-06-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> > >> It corresponds to the unobservability of hidden variables, or that they are >> nonlocal, and establishes entanglement symmetries as topological indices or >> obstructions. This might mean we are saved by the Bell, here Bell's theorem >> in a sense, from

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-06-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
t; of your paper. > > > > It corresponds to the unobservability of hidden variables, or that they > are nonlocal, and establishes entanglement symmetries as topological > indices or obstructions. This might mean we are saved by the Bell, here > Bell's theorem in a sense, from

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 30 May 2020, at 21:51, ronaldheld wrote: > > Is the AI discovering some Physics or just fitting data which produces > equations that look like physical laws? The question is if the equation obtained makes the good predictions, on any, or at least “many” different data.

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-31 Thread Bruno Marchal
saved by the Bell, here Bell's theorem > in a sense, from the invasion of the robots. You need to clarify this. > It will be some time I think before AI systems can work through > self-referential inference. That is weird. Have you read my paper on "amoeba, planaria and dreaming

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-30 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
You could ask the same question about physicists. Brent On 5/30/2020 12:51 PM, ronaldheld wrote: Is the AI discovering some Physics or just fitting data which produces equations that look like physical laws?      Ronald On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 12:20:49 PM UTC-4, Philip Thrift wrote

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-30 Thread ronaldheld
Is the AI discovering some Physics or just fitting data which produces equations that look like physical laws? Ronald On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 12:20:49 PM UTC-4, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > https://www.facebook.com/461616050561921/posts/3107668729289960/ > > > We ju

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
or obstructions. This might mean we are saved by the Bell, here Bell's theorem in a sense, from the invasion of the robots. It will be some time I think before AI systems can work through self-referential inference. LC On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 2:00:16 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 28 May 2020, at 18:20, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > > https://www.facebook.com/461616050561921/posts/3107668729289960/ > > > We just posted a new AI paper on how to automatically discover laws of > physics from raw video with machine learning. For ex

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-30 Thread Philip Thrift
ce Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 11:20:49 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/461616050561921/posts/3107668729289960/ >> >> >> We just posted a new AI paper on how to automatically discover laws of >> physics

Re: Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-29 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Thursday, May 28, 2020 at 11:20:49 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > https://www.facebook.com/461616050561921/posts/3107668729289960/ > > > We just posted a new AI paper on how to automatically discover laws of > physics from raw video with machine learning.

Max Tegmark: AI discovers physics

2020-05-28 Thread Philip Thrift
https://www.facebook.com/461616050561921/posts/3107668729289960/ We just posted a new AI paper on how to automatically discover laws of physics from raw video with machine learning. For example, we feed in the video below of a rocket moving in a circles in a magnetic field, seen through

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
itimately called a paradigm shift in scientific methodology. >> >> @philipthrift >> >> >> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:57:30 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI >> <https://www.nature.com/articles/d4158

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 2:30:45 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:31 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> >> A theory T_b in a language L_b can be explained in terms of a theory T_a >> in a language L_a if T_b/L_b can be *translated into* or *compiled to*

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:31 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:53 AM Philip Thrift >>> wrote: >>> >>> > *Name

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:57:30 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00018-3?utm_source=Nature+Briefing_campaign=f680a1d26d-briefing-dy-20200221_medium=email_term=0_c9dfd39373-f680a1d26d-4422

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:53 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> > *Name one thing that is explained by science.* >> >> >> Explain what you mean

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Saturday, February 22, 2020 at 9:00:08 AM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:53 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > > > *Name one thing that is explained by science.* > > > Explain what you mean by explain. I'll tell you what I mean by the word, > describing something complex in

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 2:53 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > *Name one thing that is explained by science.* Explain what you mean by explain. I'll tell you what I mean by the word, describing something complex in terms of something simpler so well that accurate predictions can be made. *> Here is

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> this is nothing new.* And so just before he was vaporized the last surviving human turned to the Jupiter Brain and said "I still think I'm smarter than you". John K Clark -- You received this

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-22 Thread Philip Thrift
gt; This could legitimately called a paradigm shift in scientific methodology. >> >> @philipthrift >> >> >> On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:57:30 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI >&g

Re: Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI

2020-02-21 Thread Philip Thrift
a paradigm shift in scientific methodology. > > @philipthrift > > > On Friday, February 21, 2020 at 12:57:30 PM UTC-6, John Clark wrote: >> >> Powerful antibiotics discovered using AI >> <https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00018-3?utm_source=Nature+Briefing_campaign

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