On 08 Oct 2011, at 04:11, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Nevertheless, you talk about swapping your brain for a suitably
designed computer and consciousness surviving teleportation and
pauses/restarts of the computer.
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Nevertheless, you talk about swapping your brain for a suitably
designed computer and consciousness surviving teleportation and
pauses/restarts of the computer.
Yes.
As a starting point, these ideas
assume the
On 10/7/2011 7:11 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:02 AM, Bruno Marchalmarc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Nevertheless, you talk about swapping your brain for a suitably
designed computer and consciousness surviving teleportation and
pauses/restarts of the computer.
Yes.
As
On 04 Oct 2011, at 02:27, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Ok, so this is where I would disagree. It only seems that to define
a computation you need to look at the time evolution, because a
snapshot doesn't contain enough information about the dynamics of
the system. But here one considers all of
On 03 Oct 2011, at 19:12, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/3/2011 9:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Oct 2011, at 00:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/2/2011 7:13 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:01 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But this doesn't
change the argument that, to the extent that the physics allows it,
the machine states may be arbitrarily divided. It then becomes a
matter of definition whether we say the conscious states can also be
I can't answer for Brent, but my take in this is that what matters is
whether the state of the system at any time represents a computation
being performed. So, this whole duration
requirment is not necessary, a snapshot of the system contains
information about what program is being run. So, it
On 02 Oct 2011, at 16:21, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result but I think observer
moments
can be sub-conscious. If we say the minimum duration of a conscious
moment is 100ms then 99ms
On 03 Oct 2011, at 00:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/2/2011 7:13 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:01 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result but I think observer
moments
can be sub-conscious. If we say the minimum duration of
On 10/3/2011 4:48 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But this doesn't
change the argument that, to the extent that the physics allows it,
the machine states may be arbitrarily divided. It then becomes a
matter of definition
On 10/3/2011 9:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 03 Oct 2011, at 00:47, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/2/2011 7:13 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:01 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result but I think observer moments
can be
My point is not that a snapshot brain (or computer) state lacks content, but that if it is
an emulation of a brain (or a real brain) the snapshot cannot be an observer moment or a
thought. The latter must have much longer duration and overlap one another in time. I
think there has been a
On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 3:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 10/3/2011 4:48 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:47 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
But this doesn't
change the argument that, to the extent that the physics allows it,
the machine states
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:01 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result but I think observer moments
can be sub-conscious. If we say the minimum duration of a conscious
moment is 100ms then 99ms and the remaining 1ms of this can occur at
different times,
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result but I think observer moments
can be sub-conscious. If we say the minimum duration of a conscious
moment is 100ms then 99ms and the remaining 1ms of this can occur at
different
On 10/2/2011 7:13 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:01 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's a strange, almost paradoxical result but I think observer moments
can be sub-conscious. If we say the minimum duration of a conscious
moment is 100ms then 99ms and the
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to compute a moment of awareness, then
On 10/1/2011 2:36 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannoustath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it takes the
On 01 Oct 2011, at 11:36, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Resch
jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it
On 29 Sep 2011, at 21:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/29/2011 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Sep 2011, at 19:24, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/29/2011 6:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason
Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to compute a moment of awareness, then you can
know you were not created 1 microsecond ago.
Suppose your brain paused for 1 us every 99 ms. To an external
observer you would be functioning
On Sep 29, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to compute a moment of awareness, then
you can
know you were not created 1 microsecond ago.
Suppose your
On 9/29/2011 6:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to compute a moment of awareness, then you can
know you were not created 1 microsecond ago.
Suppose your brain paused for 1 us every 99 ms. To
On 29 Sep 2011, at 19:24, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/29/2011 6:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com
wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to compute a moment of awareness,
then you can
know you were not created 1 microsecond ago.
On 9/29/2011 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Sep 2011, at 19:24, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/29/2011 6:12 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Jason Reschjasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
If it takes the brain 100 ms to compute a moment of awareness, then you can
know
On Sep 25, 5:45 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
An interesting talk relevant to what constitutes an observer moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VQ1KI_Jh1QNR=1
Brent
Very cool, thanks for posting. Of course, I think that his
observations are entirely consistent with my
On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:45 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
An interesting talk relevant to what constitutes an observer
moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VQ1KI_Jh1QNR=1
Even if the experience
On 9/27/2011 3:55 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:31 AM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:45 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
An interesting talk relevant to what constitutes an observer moment.
My opinion is that quantum mechanics is essential to define an OM,
despite it being in the classical domain. The computational state of an
AI is not the precise physical state of the system that generates the
AI, it is some coarse grained picture of it. So, if you have a
classical computer,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 7:45 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
An interesting talk relevant to what constitutes an observer moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VQ1KI_Jh1QNR=1
Even if the experience is smeared out over time and has a complex
relationship to real world events it could
An interesting talk relevant to what constitutes an observer moment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VQ1KI_Jh1QNR=1
Brent
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