Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 01 Nov 2017, at 21:51, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/1/2017 8:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Even if cannabis did not have any medical use, the papers showing its danger have all been shown to be gross frauds, all the times. It's dangers have been exaggerated, but there are dangers as with

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 11/4/2017 3:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/1/2017 8:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Even if cannabis did not have any medical use, the papers showing its danger have all been shown to be gross frauds, all the

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:51 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/1/2017 8:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Even if cannabis did not have any medical use, the papers showing its >> danger have all been shown to be gross frauds, all the times. > > > It's dangers have been

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 9:51:33 PM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/1/2017 8:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Even if cannabis did not have any medical use, the papers showing its > > danger have all been shown to be gross frauds, all the times. > > It's dangers have been

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 11/1/2017 8:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Even if cannabis did not have any medical use, the papers showing its danger have all been shown to be gross frauds, all the times. It's dangers have been exaggerated, but there are dangers as with alcohol, tobacco, and other things.  My wife's

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 30 Oct 2017, at 20:44, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/30/2017 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Oct 2017, at 07:15, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then the

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/30/2017 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 30 Oct 2017, at 07:15, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid,

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 30 Oct 2017, at 07:15, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the psycho-tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 3:08:58 PM UTC+1, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2017-10-30 14:58 GMT+01:00 PGC : > >> On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> Right. >>> >>> >>> >>> In acute, severe pain they are often the only

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

2017-10-30 14:58 GMT+01:00 PGC : > On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> Right. >> >> >> >> In acute, severe pain they are often the only thing that works, and >> denying them to a suffering patient is inhumane. In chronic pain,

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Sunday, October 29, 2017 at 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Right. > > > > In acute, severe pain they are often the only thing that works, and > denying them to a suffering patient is inhumane. In chronic pain, their use > is more controversial. Perhaps not widely known is that

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:03, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The "Schedule One" notion does not make sense: to forbid research on something because it would be dangerous. Why not forbid research in guns, bombs, or car, plane train, I meant, except cannabis,

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/29/2017 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the psycho-tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of mice was dismissed and stopped, and remain

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 28 Oct 2017, at 14:55, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 3:30 am, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​There are a lot of other painkillers But​ ​marijuana​ ​is the only painkiller I

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:12, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:30 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ There are a lot of other painkillers But ​ ​ marijuana ​ ​ is the only painkiller I know of that has a 0% chance of

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 27 Oct 2017, at 21:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the psycho- tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of mice was dismissed and stopped, and remain largely ignored. It is a total inhuman shame! I

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Sat, 28 Oct 2017 at 3:30 am, John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > > ​> ​ >> There are a lot of other painkillers >> > > But > ​ ​ > marijuana > ​ ​ > is the only painkiller I know of that has a 0% chance of

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 10/27/2017 9:30 AM, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> > >> There are a lot of other painkillers > > > But > marijuana > is the only painkiller I

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/27/2017 9:30 AM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Brent Meeker >wrote: ​> ​ There are a lot of other painkillers But ​ ​ marijuana ​ ​ is the only painkiller I know of that has a 0% chance of death by

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Then the discovery that THC (cannabis main cannabinoid, the psycho-tropic one) shrink cerebral rumor of mice was dismissed and stopped, and remain largely ignored. It is a total inhuman shame! I looked at that paper.  It was statistically bogus.

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/27/2017 9:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The "Schedule One" notion does not make sense: to forbid research on something because it would be dangerous. Why not forbid research in guns, bombs, or car, plane train, I meant, except cannabis, what is not dangerous? Did you know that the

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 26 Oct 2017, at 22:33, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/26/2017 12:51 PM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ Are you claiming, without evidence, that cannabis is cheaper and safer than all other pain killers? ​I don't know

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ > There are a lot of other painkillers > But ​ ​ marijuana ​ ​ is the only painkiller I know of that has a 0% chance of death by overdose, and yet it is illegal to use in most states, even for ​cancer​ patients in

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 26 Oct 2017, at 20:43, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/26/2017 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:15, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the free-market can work, both for

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 26 Oct 2017, at 20:30, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/26/2017 6:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 10:33 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 10/26/2017 12:51 PM, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> > >> Are you claiming, without evidence, that cannabis is cheaper and safer >> than all

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/26/2017 12:51 PM, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brent Meeker >wrote: ​> ​ Are you claiming, without evidence, that cannabis is cheaper and safer than all other pain killers? ​I don't know about Bruno

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ > Are you claiming, without evidence, that cannabis is cheaper and safer > than all other pain killers? ​I don't know about Bruno but I am claiming ​i n the entire history of the world there is not ​been ​ one

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/26/2017 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:15, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the free-market can work, both for preserving resource and happiness. We might have a

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/26/2017 6:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the free-market can work, both for preserving resource and

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 25 Oct 2017, at 21:15, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the free-market can work, both for preserving resource and happiness. We might have a different feelings due to the fact that it does not

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the > free-market can work, both for preserving resource and happiness. > We might have a different

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 10/25/2017 5:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not entirely sure of this. I think that in the long term, the free-market can work, both for preserving resource and happiness. We might have a different feelings due to the fact that it does not seem to have work with us, but the reason is

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

Hi Telmo, With AlphaGo, it is curious that the heuristic half of the system is also the one that becomes a black box. When you have the time, you might elaborate on this. AlphaGo combines search trees and neural networks. The old-school approach to solving turn-based games such as

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 23 Oct 2017, at 15:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:58 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computer code has no simple

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

Hi Bruno, > With AlphaGo, it is curious that the heuristic half of the system is > also the one that becomes a black box. > > > When you have the time, you might elaborate on this. AlphaGo combines search trees and neural networks. The old-school approach to solving turn-based games such as

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

Hi Telmo, On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Telmo, On 22 Oct 2017, at 09:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hola Alberto, On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Neural networks are not about artificial

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 23 Oct 2017, at 02:26, David Nyman wrote: On 22 October 2017 at 15:31, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Oct 2017, at 09:16, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Neural networks are not about artificial intelligence, but about artificial intuition. As you said, AlphaGo -a neural

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:58 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> > >> The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computer code has >> no simple one-dimensional measure of "better". Go games

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

Hi Bruno, On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:47 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > Hi Telmo, > > > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 09:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Hola Alberto, >> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Alberto G. Corona >> wrote: >>> >>> Neural networks are not about

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 22 October 2017 at 15:31, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 22 Oct 2017, at 09:16, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > Neural networks are not about artificial intelligence, but about > artificial intuition. As you said, AlphaGo -a neural network application- > can not answer the

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

An interesting point.  But then the question is which is it better to have good intuition or good intelligence.  Intelligence as self-consciousness in a typical alpha-beta game program would give explanations like "I projected all possible moves ahead for six steps and evaluated the positions

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: ​> ​ > Neural networks are not about artificial intelligence, but about > artificial intuition. As you said, AlphaGo -a neural network application- > can not answer the question why you did that move?. If they could

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 22 Oct 2017, at 09:16, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Neural networks are not about artificial intelligence, but about artificial intuition. As you said, AlphaGo -a neural network application- can not answer the question why you did that move?. If they could answer, the answer would be ever

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On 21 Oct 2017, at 15:58, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computer code has no simple one-dimensional measure of "better". Go games are won or lost. A computer

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

Hola Alberto, On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > Neural networks are not about artificial intelligence, but about artificial > intuition. As you said, AlphaGo -a neural network application- can not > answer the question why you did that move?. > > If

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

Neural networks are not about artificial intelligence, but about artificial intuition. As you said, AlphaGo -a neural network application- can not answer the question why you did that move?. If they could answer, the answer would be ever the same: " I don´t know, I moved this because if found

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 09:58:20AM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > ​> ​ > > The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computer code has > > no simple one-dimensional measure of "better". Go games are won or

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

hing-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 21, 2017 9:58 am Subject: Re: An AI program that teaches itself On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: ​> ​ The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computercode has no s

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: ​> ​ > The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computer code has > no simple one-dimensional measure of "better". Go games are won or lost. > A computer program ​that does the same thing as another but

Re: An AI program that teaches itself

The problem is that, like most real problems, improving computer code has no simple one-dimensional measure of "better".  Go games are won or lost. Brent On 10/20/2017 6:46 PM, John Clark wrote: Google reports in the current issue of the journal Nature that it has a new greatly improved Go