Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

On 15 Jan 2013, at 08:26, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: Since most of these people were theists, I found it easier to just say, "I'm an atheist", because that succinctly conveys (to those who respect the meaning o

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On 1/11/2013 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G

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On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:59, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here N

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ct: Re: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. Hi Rog, Crystals are not gases- req'd for Charles law to apply. Rich On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Physicists often do experiemnts on crystals at 0 oK or near th

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On 11 Jan 2013, at 21:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/11/2013 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using "proof" for that. It can only be misleading when we do

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On 11 Jan 2013, at 17:37, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > I don't believe that you can explain perception without God And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying "God just did it"? If the God theory could actually explain something and not ju

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On 1/11/2013 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using "proof" for that. It can only be misleading when we do applied logic. I prefer to call that "empiric

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On 1/11/2013 8:37 AM, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>> wrote: > I don't believe that you can explain perception without God And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying "God just did it"? If the God theory could actually ex

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/11/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > - Receiving the following content - > From: Richard Ruquist > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2013-01-10, 12:22:44 > Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented athe

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On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:02, meekerdb wrote: On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using "proof" for that. It can only be misleading when we do applied logic. I prefer to call that "empirical evidences". So I think the two ki

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What is vacuum? =. " The problem of the exact description of vacuum, in my opinion, is the basic problem now before physics. Really, if you can’t correctly describe the vacuum, how it is possible to expect a correct description of something more complex? " / Paul Dirac ./ # The most fundamental

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Physicists often do experiemnts on crystals at 0 oK or near there. > There is no such thing as nearly zero just as there is no such thing as nearly infinite or nearly pregnant; the Third law of Thermodynamics says that you can never reach z

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Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-10, 12:22:44 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when heated. Richard- Thermodynamics

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 Roger Clough wrote: > I don't believe that you can explain perception without God And how do you explain perception WITH God except by saying "God just did it"? If the God theory could actually explain something and not just chant "God did it" I'd go to church with you nex

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- Receiving the following content - From: socra...@bezeqint.net Receiver: Everything List Time: 2013-01-11, 06:22:23 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. The Universe ( as a whole) is a Double World: next to Matter World ( a few % of whole mass

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 1:21 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > Charles Law is appropriate at or near absolute zero , > because this law belongs to the particles of ' ideal gas' , > it means that these particles can exist in the absolute vacuum: > T=0K. no, not OK -- You received this message

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The Universe ( as a whole) is a Double World: next to Matter World ( a few % of whole mass of Universe) exist Vacuum World ( with more than 90% of whole mass of Universe). Question: How can the more than 90% of Vacuum Mass in the Universe (dark mass, dark energy, quantum virtual particles, particl

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Dear Bruno: - As I tried to show in robotic Truth, religion is a neccesity for the operation of social beings. For all machines, actually. Even when isolated. the "robotic truth" can be > approached by introspection when the machine complexity is above the Löbian > threshold. > > > That´s absolu

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ist Time: 2013-01-10, 13:27:52 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist "not Christian god", anothe

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On Jan 10, 6:22 pm, Richard Ruquist wrote: > wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an > experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when > heated. > > Richard- Thermodynamics of gases breaks down near absolute where most > materials have already changed phase

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 8:41 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it ap

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On 1/10/2013 11:31 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentia

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 7:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears > to mean existentialist "not Christian god", another appearance is "not > organized religion", which both appear

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On 1/10/2013 8:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Empirical proofs can be ostensive. But I prefer not using "proof" for that. It can only be misleading when we do applied logic. I prefer to call that "empirical evidences". So I think the two kinds of 'proof' have little in common. Almost

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On 1/10/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that eve

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On 1/10/2013 6:20 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: I have never understood what it means to be atheist. Sometimes it appears to mean existentialist "not Christian god", another appearance is "not organized religion", which both appear reasonable. Intuitively however, I've always asked myself

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wiki- Charles' law (also known as the law of volumes) is an experimental gas law which describes how gases tend to expand when heated. Richard- Thermodynamics of gases breaks down near absolute where most materials have already changed phase to liquid (usually BEC) or solid. Charles Law is inappro

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 21:55, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word &quo

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 20:17, meekerdb wrote: On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All correc

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AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the platonist, and was almost a synonym with "truth". There

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On Jan 10, 12:12 pm, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > > > Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K ) have no volumes > > ( according to the laws of thermodynamics ) > > Wrong > According to Charle’s law and the consequence of the third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature of a system approac

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ly near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 15:55:18 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2

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soc, "that truth" referring to what Bruno said. may or may not be true. You did not read the thread. Richard On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:00 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: >> >> Agreed, and I hope that truth is true . >> Richard >> > Truth is true !!! > / Richard / > Very good proof. . . > . .

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On Thu, Jan 10, 2013 at 1:06 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > >> >> > Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes >> > that are full of "infinities of discrete number relations" >> >> Sounds to much physicalist for me (or comp). > --> > > Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K

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> > > Can we say that physical particles are often localised volumes > > that are full of "infinities of discrete number relations" > > Sounds to much physicalist for me (or comp). --> Particles in the vacuum ( T=0K ) have no volumes ( according to the laws of thermodynamics ) therefore w

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> > Agreed, and I hope that truth is true . > Richard > Truth is true !!! / Richard / Very good proof. . . . . . . and . . ‘. . by Beauty that beautiful things are beautiful . . . by largeness that large things are large and larger things larger, and by smallness that smaller things ate smalle

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On 1/9/2013 7:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. Not necessarily.

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On 1/9/2013 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All correct and self-introspective machine will believe i

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t;>> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Bruno Marchal >>>>>> >>>>>&g

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invented the word "God" invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the platonist, and was almost a synonym with "truth". There was an implicit, but reasonable assumption, that humans search truth. Atheism has arised by reaction to *imposed

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: >>> >>>

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 12:35, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the

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rever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 05:37:48 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. On 08 Jan 2013, at 21:25, Alberto G. Corona wro

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On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: > >> Hi Bruno Marchal >> >> Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. > > > Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the pla

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2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-09, 05:37:48 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. On 08 Jan 2013

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ng content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-08, 11:37:47 Subject: Re: Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. that reminds me that we do not really know what a word means until we understand what the opposite stands for. a sorta duality th

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On 09 Jan 2013, at 01:01, meekerdb wrote: On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. All correct and self-introspective machine will believe in (some) "God". Keep in mind that athei

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Clark On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. Yes, I agree with that, one clearly had to come before the other. Before some human invented God there was no need for another human to invent atheism. John K Cla

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On 08 Jan 2013, at 15:59, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. Not necessarily. The modern notion of God comes with the platonist, and was almost a synonym with "truth". There was an implicit, but reasonable ass

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On 1/8/2013 4:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: 2013/1/9 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. We can not reduce the

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On 1/8/2013 12:25 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Le me add some meat here Nah. It's just your wishful thinking that everybody has to believe in God. We can not reduce the concept of God to a boring principle that we need to put somewhere. Like a ugly furniture inherited from the grand-parent

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On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. > Yes, I agree with that, one clearly had to come before the other. Before some human invented God there was no need for another human to invent atheism. John K Clark -- Y

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wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. > > [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] > 1/8/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > - Receiving the following content - >

Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism.

Hi Bruno Marchal Whoever invented the word "God" invented atheism. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/8/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-