Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 06:59, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 7:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Brent Meeker

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 08:17, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/10/2015 4:45 pm, Jason Resch wrote: Cochlear implants and artificial retinas give evidence toward multiple realizability, and therefore, against mind- brain identity theory. They show that it is functional equivalence,

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 05:21, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 7:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 6:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Brent Meeker

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 07:45, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 7:22 PM, Jason Resch

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 14/10/2015 4:45 pm, Jason Resch wrote: Cochlear implants and artificial retinas give evidence toward multiple realizability, and therefore, against mind-brain identity theory. They show that it is functional equivalence, rather than material/compositional equivalence that matters. Since

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/13/2015 10:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 00:41, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 3:04 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/10/2015 11:43 pm, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2015-10-13 14:26 GMT+02:00 Bruce Kellett : ... Who said matter was the end point? You... why do you insist on matter, if

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 08:26, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 10:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 05:50, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 7:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 6:36 PM, Jason Resch

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2015, at 22:36, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ​> ​Well look into Bruno's theory if you want some possible answers. ​Answers are a dime a dozen, correct answers are not. And Bruno doesn't even know what questions

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 00:24, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/10/2015 3:11 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2015, at 12:40, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/10/2015 8:40 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2015, at 07:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: Has computationalism predicted spin? Special relativity?

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 00:46, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 3:36 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 13 October 2015 at 21:43, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/10/2015 7:57 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 13 October 2015 at 11:48, Bruce Kellett

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 14 Oct 2015, at 04:04, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 6:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 3:53 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 14 October 2015 at 09:46, Brent Meeker

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2015, at 18:10, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 1:57 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 13 October 2015 at 11:48, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/10/2015 9:46 am, Jason Resch wrote: The double-slit experiment is evidence of platonic computation being

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2015, at 18:34, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 2:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2015, at 07:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: Has computationalism predicted spin? Special relativity? Quantum field theory? General relativity? Computationalism is used implicitly in the theory

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/14/2015 8:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Oct 2015, at 06:59, Brent Meeker wrote: On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 10/13/2015 7:22 PM, Jason Resch

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 Jason Resch wrote: ​ >> ​>> ​ >> Answers are a dime a dozen, correct answers are not. And Bruno doesn't >> even know what questions to ask, like, "what does the pronoun "you" refer >> to, or what does "free will" even mean, or does the word "God" mean

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > John, > You are just doing propaganda for Aristotle theological primary matter > Wow, calling a guy known for disliking religion religious, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before I was 12.

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 15/10/2015 2:31 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: Computationalism has an ontology on which everyone agree. Those who claim to disagree usually add philosophical commitment which is not used in the reasoning. An ontology *is* a philosophical commitment, even if 'everyone' agrees on it. If the

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 15/10/2015 2:10 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: You talk like if I have claim knowing some truth. I do not. You are doing philosophy of comp-theology. That belongs to the field of philosophy of science, which is not my expertise. You cannot use philosophy for making people doubting a logical

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 14/10/2015 4:45 pm, Jason Resch wrote: > > Cochlear implants and artificial retinas give evidence toward multiple > realizability, and therefore, against mind-brain identity theory. They show > that it is

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 10/13/2015 10:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ​> ​ > Here are the alternatives to computationalism, and their problems: > *Interactionism (Dualism):* Postulates a non-physical soul which > ​ [...] > ​Which is contradicted by experiment. ​ ​In every observation a

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2015, at 05:50, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 10/13/2015 7:22 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Oct 2015, at 07:45, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 10/13/2015 8:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Brent Meeker
On 10/14/2015 6:59 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: Actually, Robinson Arithmetic is consistent with ultrafinitism. So, logically, ultrafinitism is not a threat for comp at the

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:17 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 Jason Resch wrote: > > ​ >>> ​>> ​ >>> Answers are a dime a dozen, correct answers are not. And Bruno doesn't >>> even know what questions to ask, like, "what does the pronoun

Re: What day is it?

2015-10-14 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 15/10/2015 12:07 pm, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 14/10/2015 4:45 pm, Jason Resch wrote: Cochlear implants and artificial retinas give evidence toward multiple