Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/5/2013 9:03 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/5/2013 2:54 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: yes, this does straight to the mind-body problem. I am proposing a solution to it that is different from Bruno's (and can subsume Bruno's idea), it is

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/5/2013 2:54 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> >>> yes, this does straight to the mind-body problem. I am proposing a >>> >solution to it that is different from Bruno's (and can subsume Bruno's >>> >idea), it is dual aspect monism. Minds an

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2013 5:39 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: The easy problem is harder than the hard problem in the sense that it is the long way around. No, it's harder because you can tell when you've failed. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything Lis

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 4:28:30 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > You mean that physicists have been given 10 billion dollars to spend on >> particle accelerators (and comfortable salaries as well, among other things >> I w

Re: The self-taming of the universe

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
I think that there is no literal field. Self-organization requires only a capacity to experience and effect change. When a car breaks down, there is no field of organization which is going to appear and fix it - the car is fixed by the sensory-motor capacities of the car's owner and nothing else

Stanislaw Lem Story

2013-01-05 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
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Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/5/2013 2:54 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: yes, this does straight to the mind-body problem. I am proposing a >solution to it that is different from Bruno's (and can subsume Bruno's >idea), it is dual aspect monism. Minds and bodies are two distinct aspects >of one and the same neutral oneness o

Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism---> habit computer

2013-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2013 10:38 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:10:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Jan 2013, at 18:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: BTW my stichk is that consciousness comes

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2013 9:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Ma

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2013, at 17:04, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Religion cannot save you, it cannot even make you a better person. Only God can do that. I would say that, religion, well understood, can help. The problem is in the "well understood", of course :) Bruno [Roger Clough], [

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2013, at 11:07, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal IMHO Good is no more arbitrary than life is. I agree. At some level. Bruno [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following cont

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2013 6:26 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Richard Ruquist Empirical data, to my way of thinking, trumps scientific dogma (such as materialism) any day. It's rather funny that you keep assailing scienctists as being dogmatic materialists and yet you think their world picture: curved metric s

Re: Science is a religion by itself.

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2013, at 10:47, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: Science is a religion by itself. Why? Becouse the God can create and govern the Universe only using physical laws, formulas, equations. Here is the scheme of His plane. =. God : Ten Scientific Commandments. § 1. Vacuum: T=0K, E= ∞ ,p= 0, t=

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-05 Thread meekerdb
On 1/5/2013 6:01 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi meekerdb You say, "It's that cartoon known as the Christian Bible. Brent For Christians, it's far more important to believe in a god than to determine the accuracy of the hypothesis. That's why they had only two significant publications, and the most

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/4/2013 6:23 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Stephen P. King >> wrote: >>> >>> On 1/4/2013 8:31 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: > > Hi Richard, >> >> I will take a look, but I confess to

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/4/2013 6:23 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/4/2013 8:31 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: Hi Richard, I will take a look, but I confess to being a bit skeptical of any substantist theory... How can substances communicate with each othe

Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism---> habit computer

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 7:10:13 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 03 Jan 2013, at 18:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > > >> BTW my stichk is that consciousness >> comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmet

Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism---> habit computer

2013-01-05 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 03 Jan 2013, at 18:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > >> >> BTW my stichk is that consciousness >> comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both the >> m

Re: The evolution of good and evil

2013-01-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Don't take this too much literally. >> I have never believed in any notion like charity, o

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:05:24 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg >wrote: > > > That's like betting that the Catholic Church won't make Martin Luther a >> saint again this year. >> > > I don't see the analogy. > I'm not surprised. > The Catholic Churc

Re: Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via a computer

2013-01-05 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:43:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > Subjective states can somehow be extracted from brains via a computer. > No, they can't. > > The ingenius folks who were miraculously able to extract an image from the > brain > that we saw recently > > > http://gizmo

Re: A paranormal prediction for the next year

2013-01-05 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote: > That's like betting that the Catholic Church won't make Martin Luther a > saint again this year. > I don't see the analogy. The Catholic Church, like all religions, claims to have all the answers and the last thing they'd want is to dig up difficult q

Subjective states can be somehow extracted from brains via a computer

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Subjective states can somehow be extracted from brains via a computer. The ingenius folks who were miraculously able to extract an image from the brain that we saw recently http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-reconstruct-video-clips-from-brain-activity somehow did it entirely through computa

Re: A dialog on monads, the PEH, and possible alternatives

2013-01-05 Thread Stephen P. King
On 1/5/2013 7:46 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King ROGER: He had done away with two-substance cartesian dualism by considering both mind and body from a mental or logical aspect. STEVE: Yes, but at a price. I am, you could say, trying to make the price "reasonable". His PEH is

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Empirical data, to my way of thinking, trumps scientific dogma (such as materialism) any day. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/5/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ru

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb By quanta I meant quantum fields. These are merely mathematical fields of no substance. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/5/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-

Re: Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi meekerdb You say, "It's that cartoon known as the Christian Bible. Brent For Christians, it's far more important to believe in a god than to determine the accuracy of the hypothesis. That's why they had only two significant publications, and the most recent one is 2000 years old.

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2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Telmo Menezes Thanks. But can such biomolecular structures develop into a living cell ? Sheldrake's morphisms all pertain to living entities. Monads do also, except that for Leibniz, the whole universe is alive. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/5/2013 "Forever is a long time, e

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2013, at 09:24, meekerdb wrote: On 1/4/2013 12:05 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg IMHO Sheldrake is one of the very few who have had the courage to prove and call materialism bad science. You don't know how to count. The world is full of mystics and the superstitious

Re: [FOM] Preprint: "Topological Galois Theory"

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2013, at 02:34, meekerdb wrote: On 1/3/2013 5:06 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Bruno, You might be interested in this! How about giving us a 500 word summary including an example of it's application. Good point. It is not uninteresting, but is very technical, and as a

Re: Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy You've obviously never watched one of Sheldrake's lectures. All of his speculations are supported with empirical data. You'll find some of it on his website, others in his books and lectures. I watched the first hour of McKenna's lecture as given below, It was essent

Re: Conputer Code In String Theory Supersimetric Equations

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Jan 2013, at 01:42, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/3/2013 12:46 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It would still be amazing that "nature" use quantum correcting machinery at some fundamental level. That might be explainable with comp. The measure on the computational histories can be made higher

A dialog on monads, the PEH, and possible alternatives

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stephen P. King ROGER: He had done away with two-substance cartesian dualism by considering both mind and body from a mental or logical aspect. STEVE: Yes, but at a price. I am, you could say, trying to make the price "reasonable". His PEH is, IMHO, too costly ontologically speaking

Re: "The best of all possible Worlds."

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2013, at 19:26, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:31, meekerdb wrote: On 1/2/2013 5:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Leibniz's view, in his theodicy , which I hold to also, is that the world down here, that God created,

Re: Is Sheldrake credible ? I personally think so.

2013-01-05 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
Hi Everythingsters, When things get a little fringe, I want the best bang for my buck (time reading/listening in this case). Here Sheldrake only delivers when held in check by McKenna and Abraham, even if not stunning. On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > > >1. Terence McKe

Re: a Sheldrake computer:: the universe as a random + mechanism---> habit computer

2013-01-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 03 Jan 2013, at 18:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 3, 2013 10:45:01 AM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: BTW my stichk is that consciousness comes from discrete compactified space that is arithmetic, in both the megaverse and in each universe. Richard Why would consciousness come fro

Re: Could morphisms be related to mirror neurons ?

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
You might add universal quantum entanglement to the list below as a common feature of all. - [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/5/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen

Could morphisms be related to mirror neurons ?

2013-01-05 Thread Roger Clough
VS Ramachandran: The neurons that shaped civilization http://www.ted.com/talks/vs_ramachandran_the_neurons_that_shaped_civilization.html Mirror neurons are motor neurons in the brain that serve to allow us to imitate or repeat the external actions of others. Monkey see, monkey do. See the ab