Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-12 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM, wrote: > > Hi, > > My name is Luiz Felipe, I am 38 years old, Brazilian, graduated > in engineering and i am crazy about science and philosophy. > Welcome to the list Luiz. > > Recently, after reading and watching documentaries about general > relativity and th

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2013 3:20 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Jul 2013, at 21:31, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2013 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Because if you agree with "I dunno which city I will see", by deducing it through an explicit appeal to a level of mechanical substitution, you see that the digital

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2013, at 21:31, meekerdb wrote: On 7/12/2013 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Because if you agree with "I dunno which city I will see", by deducing it through an explicit appeal to a level of mechanical substitution, you see that the digital third person determinacy is responsibl

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2013, at 21:25, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2013 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The god of the materialist is Matter, and I don't believe in it. I am agnostic. I search. I think you do believe in matter - you often refer to your coffee, for example. You just don't believe it is fun

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2013, at 20:33, Johnathan Corgan wrote: On 07/10/2013 11:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I use atheists in the (Google) sense of B~g. ~Bg is agnosticism (in the mundane common sense). Some atheists seem to oscillate between the two definitions, opportunistically. The issue is that

Re: General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-12 Thread meekerdb
I think you're drawing unwarranted conclusions from the absence of a "flow" of time. There is no "flow" of space, but that doesn't keep space from being a useful concept. In GR there is still a time dimension. As Sean Carroll points out there can still be states corresponding to consciousness

General Relativity and Consciousness

2013-07-12 Thread luizfelipecsrj1
Hi, My name is Luiz Felipe, I am 38 years old, Brazilian, graduated in engineering and i am crazy about science and philosophy. Recently, after reading and watching documentaries about general relativity and the problem of consciousness, I made a structured reflectionon on a 4 pages "paper" .

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2013 11:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Because if you agree with "I dunno which city I will see", by deducing it through an explicit appeal to a level of mechanical substitution, you see that the digital third person determinacy is responsible for indeterminate, from the first person points

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/11/2013 12:22 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The god of the materialist is Matter, and I don't believe in it. I am agnostic. I search. I think you do believe in matter - you often refer to your coffee, for example. You just don't believe it is fundamental. But that's a very different thing.

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On 07/10/2013 11:18 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > I use atheists in the (Google) sense of B~g. ~Bg is agnosticism (in > the mundane common sense). > > Some atheists seem to oscillate between the two definitions, > opportunistically. The issue is that both of those require some specific 'g' to be

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Jul 2013, at 17:34, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Turing proved 80 years ago that in general you can't predict what an external purely deterministic system will do, > In the long run, and without any indeterminacy in the functioning of its parts.

Re: the love torture

2013-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2013 7:03 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The sacrifice of Christ paid our deeds -once and for all- for being worth and appreciated by other human beings. The belief on that calm our innate desire to demand the sacrifice of the others for us and the desire to sacrifice ourseves. I was w

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread meekerdb
On 7/12/2013 2:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2013, at 22:14, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2013 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2013, at 18:46, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 11:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have given the equation. I try to explain this on FOAR but it relies on s

Re: Which one result in maths has surprised you the most?

2013-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 Jason Resch wrote: > Perhaps this suits you better then: e^(t*i) = 1 + 0 > As I say there is no disputing matters of taste, but for me the first time I saw e^i*PI +1 = 0 the zero came as a complete surprise and that added greatly to its beauty, but I would never have been

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Turing proved 80 years ago that in general you can't predict what an >> external purely deterministic system will do, >> > > In the long run, and without any indeterminacy in the functioning of its > parts. Yes. We might not know if the machine will

Re: the love torture

2013-07-12 Thread Alberto G. Corona
2013/7/11 Bruno Marchal > > On 11 Jul 2013, at 14:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > I quote myself: > "But the religious instinct in the primitive sense is not about love and > compassion, but the contrary it is about fanaticism and exclusion of these > that are not in agreement. " > > > I might b

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Jul 2013, at 22:14, meekerdb wrote: On 7/11/2013 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2013, at 18:46, meekerdb wrote: On 7/10/2013 11:25 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I have given the equation. I try to explain this on FOAR but it relies on some familiarity in logic. Normally you sho

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 7:21 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 7/11/2013 7:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 9:23 PM, meekerdb wrote: >>> >>> On 7/10/2013 2:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 09 Jul 2013, at 20:37, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 Bruno Marchal