Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 2:59:33 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:57:41 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > wrote: > > > > ​>>​ > As for collapse, it's easily seen in the double slit experiment. The > electron, say, moves > ​ ​ > through space as

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

mana On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:57:41 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > wrote: > > > > ​>>​ > As for collapse, it's easily seen in the double slit experiment. The > electron, say, moves > ​ ​ > through space as a wave -- which explains the interference effects due to > splitting into > ​

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 12:22:04 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:57:37PM -0500, John Clark wrote: > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ​> ​ > > > Your source is fact-challenged. Weinberg thinks MULTIVERSE may have > merit, > > > but NOT the MWI, > > > > >

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 6:14 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 05:09:13PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: On 11/27/2017 4:17 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:57:37PM -0500, John Clark wrote: wrote: ​> ​ Your source is fact-challenged. Weinberg thinks MULTIVERS

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 6:09 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Russell Standish mailto:li...@hpcoders.com.au>>wrote: ​> ​ Alan deliberately uses the term "Multiverse" to refer to the string ​ landscape. And I think think the string theory Multiverse is related t

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 05:09:13PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 11/27/2017 4:17 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:57:37PM -0500, John Clark wrote: > > >wrote: > > > > > > > ​> ​ > > > > Your source is fact-challenged. Weinberg thinks MULTIVERSE may have > > >

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Russell Standish wrote: ​> ​ > Alan deliberately uses the term "Multiverse" to refer to the string > ​ > landscape. And I think think the string theory Multiverse is related to the inflation theory Multiverse and both are related to the Everett ​/​ ​D​ eutsch M

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 4:17 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:57:37PM -0500, John Clark wrote: wrote: ​> ​ Your source is fact-challenged. Weinberg thinks MULTIVERSE may have merit, but NOT the MWI, ​Then give me some facts! Where does Weinberg say that? And how can you have

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 28/11/2017 11:17 am, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:57:37PM -0500, John Clark wrote: wrote: ​> ​ Your source is fact-challenged. Weinberg thinks MULTIVERSE may have merit, but NOT the MWI, ​Then give me some facts! Where does Weinberg say that? And how can you have

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Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 03:57:37PM -0500, John Clark wrote: > wrote: > > > > > ​> ​ > > Your source is fact-challenged. Weinberg thinks MULTIVERSE may have merit, > > but NOT the MWI, > > > ​Then give me some facts! Where does Weinberg say that? And how can you > have a multiverse without many

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On 11/27/2017 2:35 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? I think the answer is most definitel

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 4:09:36 PM UTC-6, Jason wrote: > > I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different > answers. > > The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? > > I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: > - L

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On 11/27/2017 2:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: - Large scale unemployment/disempo

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 11:09 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different > answers. > > The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? > > I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: > - Large scale u

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

Scary video...because it's nearly true. http://autonomousweapons.org/ Brent On 11/27/2017 1:32 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, this is the view of Hawking and Musk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe f

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 1:05 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:08:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 11/26/2017 10:20 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 16:54, > wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:48:58 AM UTC, agra

Re: Is AI really a threat to mankind?

I think there might be two ways of interpreting this, each with different answers. The first question: Does AI create more threats that never existed before? I think the answer is most definitely yes. Some examples: - Large scale unemployment/disempowerment of people who cannot compete with incre

Re: Feynman and the Everything

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ​> ​ > Richard Feynman in "The Character of Physical Law" Chapter 2 wrote: > > "It always bothers me that according to the laws as we understand them > today, it takes a computing machine an infinite number of logical > operations to figure out

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 10:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The formal modal formula is B(Bp -> p) -> Bp. It looks also like wishful thinking. If you succeed in convincing a Löbian entity (whose beliefs are close for the Löb rule, or having Löb's theorem for its bewesibar predicate) that if she ever believ

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 7:41 am, wrote: > > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 3:28:20 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: > >> >> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 6:23 pm, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:12:09 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>> On 27 November 2017 at 17:54, wrote:

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 9:10 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:29:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Nov 2017, at 15:59, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 5:53:14 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On 24/11/2017 10:15 am, Lawrence Crowell

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Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 4:05 PM, wrote: ​>> ​ >> If there is a repetition, is it really a different universe? >> >> > ​> ​ > Yes, because it would be located in a different position in the multiverse. > ​How do you even know they are is a different position, what does "different" even mean in th

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 7:28 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 6:23 pm, > wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:12:09 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 17:54, wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:45

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/27/2017 6:45 AM, Jason Resch wrote: I think your distaste with MWI comes from an incorrect view of how splitting occurs. Shooting a photon of at a slit doesn't instantly create millions or infinite numbers of universes. *But that's NOT what the enthusiasts o

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:08:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/26/2017 10:20 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 27 November 2017 at 16:54, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:48:58 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 27,

Consistency of Postulates of QM

wrote: > >>> ​>>​ >>> As for collapse, it's easily seen in the double slit experiment. The >>> electron, say, moves >>> ​ ​ >>> through space as a wave -- which explains the interference effects due >>> to splitting into >>> ​t​ >>> wo waves, each emanating from one of the slits >> >> > > ​>> ​

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:56:39 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 11/26/2017 9:39 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 27 November 2017 at 16:19, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 27/11/2017 4:06 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On 26 November 2017 at 13:33, > wrote: >> >> You keep

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 3:28:20 PM UTC, stathisp wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 6:23 pm, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:12:09 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 27 November 2017 at 17:54, wrote: >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:45:43

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:13:32 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 4:48:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 24 Nov 2017, at 21:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/26/2017 11:48 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 1:18 AM, > wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:54:13 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:45:43 AM UTC, st

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/26/2017 10:45 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 17:36, > wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:30:34 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:21:30 AM UT

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 4:48:12 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Nov 2017, at 21:58, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 22 Nov 2017, at 22:51, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday,

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/26/2017 10:20 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 16:54, > wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:48:58 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:44:25 AM UT

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/26/2017 9:48 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:44:25 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 16:25, > wrote: On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 5:07:03 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: On 26 November 2017 at 13:33, wrote

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 11/26/2017 9:39 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 November 2017 at 16:19, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 27/11/2017 4:06 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 November 2017 at 13:33, mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: You keep ignoring

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 26 Nov 2017, at 21:56, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:22:37 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Nov 2017, at 00:15, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I am new to this list and have not followed all the arguments here. In weighing in here I might be making an error of no

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 25 Nov 2017, at 19:16, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 3:39:00 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 4:08 PM, wrote: ​>​>>​ ​Do you really think that when you pull a slot machine and get some outcome, the 10 million other possible outcomes oc

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 8:29:22 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Nov 2017, at 15:59, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 5:53:14 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On 24/11/2017 10:15 am, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 9:37:48

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 25 Nov 2017, at 18:55, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, November 25, 2017 at 3:06:50 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 9:21:14 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, November 23, 2017 at 11:15:40 PM UTC, Lawrence Crowell wrote:

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 24 Nov 2017, at 21:58, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 12:15:46 PM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Nov 2017, at 22:51, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 at 5:24:48 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Nov 2017, at 09:55, ag

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On 24 Nov 2017, at 20:32, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I was just explaining that a measurement is any memorable interaction, which is simplest to illustrate with a tensor product of Alice (|A>)and a simple superposition. In your notation:

Re: [foar] Bell's theorem

On 24 Nov 2017, at 03:43, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 1:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2013, at 20:30, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Kermit Rose wrote: > Is not the polarization of the photon the hidden variable that determines the prob

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 6:23 pm, wrote: > > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:12:09 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: > >> >> >> On 27 November 2017 at 17:54, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:45:43 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>> On 27 November 2017 at 17:36, wrote: >>>

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017, wrote: > > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:03:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote: >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:54 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:45:43 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>> On 27 November 2017 at 17:36, wrote: >>>

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:03:47 AM UTC, Jason wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 12:54 AM, > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:45:43 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 27 November 2017 at 17:36, wrote: >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 6:3

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:04:47 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: > > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 6:29 pm, > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:23:48 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:12:09 AM UTC, stathisp wrote:

Re: Consistency of Postulates of QM

On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 6:29 pm, wrote: > > > On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:23:48 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 7:12:09 AM UTC, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 27 November 2017 at 17:54, wrote: >>> On Monday, November 27, 2017