Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

You didn't read anything from what I wrote to you about meaning, purpose, free will, intelligence, learning, memory, etc, have you ? Because otherwise, you would have understood that AIs don't see any colors. And there is no brain. On Saturday, 20 April 2019 02:25:04 UTC+3, Brent wrote: > > > O

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/19/2019 2:19 PM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: I like the questions. While I might not be able to give satisfactory answers to them, here's how I view the issues raised: On Friday, 19 April 2019 23:41:40 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: Hey Cosmin, What is the mechanism

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

1) I'm not sure I can make sense of the term 'influence' without causation. In every instance I can think of, to influence something means to exert some kind of force on it such that it behaves differently then it otherwise would have. It *causes* it to change. 2) I'm not following your evolutiona

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

I like the questions. While I might not be able to give satisfactory answers to them, here's how I view the issues raised: On Friday, 19 April 2019 23:41:40 UTC+3, Terren Suydam wrote: > > Hey Cosmin, > > What is the mechanism by which consciousness acts in a top down manner on > and influences

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Hey Cosmin, What is the mechanism by which consciousness acts in a top down manner on and influences electrons and presumably other particles? How does that causal link manifest? Some other questions: Given that electrons don't really exist by your account, what stops the seemingly inevitably sl

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On 4/19/2019 5:09 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, at 09:09, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: 1) The qualia of black-and-white is not on the same level with the qualia of colors. The qualia of colors include the qualia of black-and-white. You cannot see a color if tha

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

1) You raise an interesting point. Can you give another example in that direction beside the qualia of good and bad ? Because you made me think about the case that you mentioned, and it seems to me that it only works for cases of good and bad. A similar example to yours would be: blue and green

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 11:23:40 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Apr 2019, at 14:37, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:18:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Apr 2019, at 21:10, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> > > SNIP >> > > > > The whol

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

> On 19 Apr 2019, at 14:37, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:18:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Apr 2019, at 21:10, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> > SNIP > The whole point of the fundamental research consists in finding a theory > which accoun

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

With (panpsychic-experiential) materialism: - the self is not eternal :( [ of course you could be frozen in the hope for some future technology ]) - it is an independent consciousness (pretty much so, introducing outside chemicals aside) - pt On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 4:21:25 AM UTC

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

On Friday, April 19, 2019 at 3:18:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Apr 2019, at 21:10, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, April 18, 2

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019, at 09:09, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > 1) The qualia of black-and-white is not on the same level with the qualia of > colors. The qualia of colors include the qualia of black-and-white. You > cannot see a color if that color is not emergent upon black-and-wh

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > What does "self model" even mean ? Notice that any material attempt to > implement "self model" leads to infinite regress. Because let's say that a > machine has the parts A B C. To have a "self model" would mean to h

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 19 Apr 2019, at 09:16, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List > wrote: > > It's still not clear to me what your concept of "machine" is. Is it just an > abstract theory or is it some actually existing entity ? It is a machine in the sense of computer science. It is purely immaterial, and ca

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 19 Apr 2019, at 01:24, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:34:26AM -0700, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: >> >> >> On 4/18/2019 2:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>For >>instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 19:56, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/18/2019 3:17 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >> What does "self model" even mean ? Notice that any material attempt to >> implement "self model" leads to infinite regress. > > No. A "model" i

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 19:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/18/2019 2:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> For >>> instance, without an observer to interpret a certain pile of atoms as >>> a machine, it is just a pile of atoms. >> Are you saying that Mars Rover cannot inte

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

And to add more regarding biology, take into account that reincarnation preserves memories from past lives. So biology is not merely "putting atoms in the right order". Is more than that. The conditions that biology satisfies in order to individuate the unique Self are going beyond mere arrange

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

No, this cannot be done. The Self is eternal and it exists necessarily by the fact that it self-refers itself. All you can do is to give the Self different experiences and make him believe he is an individual consciousness. This is happening for example in biological reproduction. What biologic

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 18:45, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 17 Apr 2019, at 08:08, Telmo Menezes >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, at 05:03, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote:

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

> On 19 Apr 2019, at 04:08, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 6:53:33 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > Sorry, I don't remember what, if anything, I intended to text. > > I'm not expert on how Einstein arrived at his famous field equations. I know > that he insisted

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 21:10, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 8:56:54 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Apr 2019, at 12:17, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 4:53:36 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 16 Apr 2019,

Re: Universal numbers and Game of Thrones

> On 18 Apr 2019, at 19:51, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 4/18/2019 2:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> That would be the mistake of Dgital Physics/Physicalism. >> >> It is like saying that some program u generate the physical universe. That >> is not entirely exc

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Of course (as you know) I say one could bring a "bunch of atoms together" to get something that is a conscious self. *First 3D Engineered Vascularized Human Heart Is Bioprinted* https://www.genengnews.com/news/first-3d-engineered-vascularized-human-heart-is-bioprinted/ In the future: a Brain?

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Exactly. This is the whole point. In order to have self-reference, you need to have a self. And you don't just get a self by arranging atoms in certain positions. You don't get a self by bringing a bunch of atoms together and calling them "a robot", because calling them "a robot" is just somethi

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Vitalism is still true. Nobody knows how a being develops from embryo to its fully developed form. DNA is just a book. Nobody knows how it actually functions. It might well receive top-down influence in levels from higher order consciousness that guides the development of the biological entity.

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Thursday, April 18, 2019 at 6:27:31 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 03:17:59AM -0700, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything > List wrote: > > Self-reference is formalisable. See Löb's theorem. > > > The problematic part of "self-reference" is "self". HOL theorem pro

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Of course there are no atoms. The point is that the robot follows the same behavior as the appearances of "atoms" in our consciousness. In other words, if you know the behavior of atoms (even though they are nothing more than appearances in consciousness), you know the behavior of the robot. Th

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

Then if it is not a complete description, why do you call it "self-reference" ? You should just call it: "a table of parameters". The true self-reference is complete: it is included in itself in its entirety. And is doing this without getting into infinite regress. The reason it can avoid infin

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

It is a precise definition in the sense that if I see red, then I see red. You cannot come and tell me: "Well... maybe it wasn't red, maybe it was yellow.". No! It was red! And if you then say: "Oh, but also the robot sees red, because...", then you enter a realm of fantasy that has nothing to d

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

It's still not clear to me what your concept of "machine" is. Is it just an abstract theory or is it some actually existing entity ? If it is actually existing, is it made out of atoms ? Because if it is made out of atoms, where does its free will come from ? In the case of humans free will come

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

1) The qualia of black-and-white is not on the same level with the qualia of colors. The qualia of colors include the qualia of black-and-white. You cannot see a color if that color is not emergent upon black-and-white (or more specifically shades-of-gray). You cannot experience music if music i