On 28 Jan 2015, at 10:52, LizR wrote:
Machines (Humanly Constructed Artifacts) Cannot Think
Arnold Trehub
Well, I have an answer to this one, at least. Humans are machines
We don't know that. Of course it is a good default hypothesis as we
don't have evidences for the contrary (except
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 12:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Samiya Illias
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That's the problem with literalism though. It's always selective, when
language is often l
On 29 January 2015 at 10:12, Samiya Illias wrote:
> Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 11:14 PM, David Nyman wrote:
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
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>> Alhazen described his theology: "I constantly sought knowledge and truth,
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:57 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
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On Jan 29 2015 Samiya wrote:
* " Why not define God as the Creator and Sustainer of the Universe and
Everything Else that is or may exist?" *
Excellent proposal for a *DEFINING*. Now that carries a question: if you
'define God (Allah?) as the smartest and best Creator and Sustainer, why do
you p
On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 4:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> the [Turing] test is a bit ambiguous.
Bruno, do you believe that Plato could think? If you have doubts about the
Turing Test your doubts about Plato should be even greater. Whatever the
weaknesses of the Turing Test you must admit that the
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The Turing test is one of these over- overrated things that modern people
worship. A child may not pass the test. And even an adolescent. and a
simple program such Eliza could pass it in some way. And it means
absolutely nothing.
How modern people keep attached to myths fabricated and neglect that
I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT, but I
think it probably made sense in the context of the times, as a "first cut"
at defining AI. But as Alberto says we shouldn't have deified it or reified
it (or whatever).
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War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
Did he have a hotline to the 21st century or what???
On 21 January 2015 at 10:00, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List <
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On 14 January 2015 at 09:12, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
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> I'd appreciate a link to "sex with sheep" list. Not for personal but for
> scientific reasons. For example, to find out: Do Le Pen, Emerson, or Hitler
> frequent such list? Are there more Christian or Musli
On 14 January 2015 at 12:07, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> So in what way are you forced to conform? Do you want to have sex with
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Yes. It was a first cut.
For a very realistic and humorous view of the social problems with machines
I recommend the novels of stanislav Lem.
2015-01-31 23:24 GMT+01:00 LizR :
> I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT, but I
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> Kierkegaard complained about this with his own Religion, the Christians.
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On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 5:24 PM, LizR wrote:
> I must admit I have never been able to see much point in the TT,
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So if it's not behavior how do you tell the difference between smart people
and stupid people?
John K Clark
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 5:16 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy <
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On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 2:23 AM, John Mikes wrote:
> On Jan 29 2015 Samiya wrote:
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