ASSA vs. RSSA and the no cul-de-sac conjecture was (AB continuity)

2009-02-11 Thread Johnathan Corgan
observer moment to this one becomes the thing that drives my expectations of what I am likely to experience. Indeed, some version of me experiences all of them, but each split copy of me can only say to himself, what I am experiencing now was likely (or unlikely) given where I was a moment ago. Johnathan

Re: Copying?

2009-02-21 Thread Johnathan Corgan
an observer moment that would preserve personal identity is unknown. Still, as long as there is a many-to-one relationship, then the no-cloning theorem does not rule out transfer of identity through your method X. Johnathan Corgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received

Re: [Fwd: NDPR David Shoemaker, Personal Identity and Ethics: A Brief Introduction]

2009-03-04 Thread Johnathan Corgan
digital level of substitution is much higher than the exact quantum state of this collection of particles. What microstate changes don't make a difference, which do? Johnathan Corgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-04-29 Thread Johnathan Corgan
, but one notable property they have is that in sub-clinical dosages they suppress sensory input while retaining consciousness. This results in similar, open loop qualia. Johnathan Corgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed

The seven step series

2009-06-29 Thread Johnathan Corgan
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Re: The seven step series

2009-07-10 Thread Johnathan Corgan
, proceed. Personally, if I don't understand something or have an objection, you'll hear about it on the list, but I think you should take silence as assent. Johnathan Corgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-07 Thread Johnathan Corgan
loss in the hallucinogenic literature. Users report the experience of being conscious in that they are awake, perceiving sensory data, and performing motor functions, but they have no sense of self or I. Johnathan Corgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received

Re: no-go for the penrose-hameroff proposal

2009-08-18 Thread Johnathan Corgan
is misguided, an example of brains are mysterious, quantum mechanics is mysterious, therefore, brains operate using quantum mechanics. The mystery of quantum mechanics largely disappears with no-collapse and decoherence anyway. Johnathan Corgan

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-04 Thread Johnathan Corgan
these effects to zero in on how these brain systems are related to our subjective experience of reality. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l...@googlegroups.com

Re: Why I am I?

2009-12-05 Thread Johnathan Corgan
and behold there is a drug which has radical effects on the subjective experience of all three, and a body of written reports to examine. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-l

Re: UDA query

2010-01-08 Thread Johnathan Corgan
associated with normal functioning. All of the above speculation could still hold true in a non-physicalist, computationalism-based view of consciousness, where one would replace brain with computational substrate at appropriate level of substitution. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because

Re: 1p-indeterminacy and brains

2012-06-24 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 2:37 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Hameroff is a crackpot.  If microtubles were the source of consciousness my finger would be conscious; microtubles are in almost all cells. This does not follow. The ion channels which support the propagation of event

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-17 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Salvia and DMT seem to have NDE like effects A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of having lived an entire alternate life in the few minutes of intoxication, and even being surprised and

Re: That the mind works even after the brain ceases to function suggests its independence

2013-05-18 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 4:23 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 May 2013, at 22:52, Johnathan Corgan wrote: A common occurrence reported by users of Salvia Divinorum is that of having lived an entire alternate life in the few minutes of intoxication, and even being surprised

Re: The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter

2013-05-18 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Matter is a first person plural sharable border by collections of machines which multiplied collectively on the set of all computations. It sure would nice if you could unpack this sentence, word by word, to help make

Re: The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter

2013-05-19 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Feel free to ask more from this post, though. If you understand the FPI, the rest follows from logic and some passive theoretical computer science, I think. Yes, I understand UDA 1-7 and the concept that first-person

Re: The Leibniz-Taoist solution: Matter is mind, mind is matter

2013-05-20 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: More to the point of my original comment, though, you frequently make statements about how it follows from this an explanation of quantum, qualia, matter, etc., using references to modal logic, Plotinus' theory of

Re: Which one result in maths has surprised you the most?

2013-07-08 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On 07/08/2013 02:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: This one is very interesting, but the fact that Pi was a poor choice for the constant makes the equation considerably more ugly than it should be. There is a growing movement to usurp the number Pi with the much more important constant 2*Pi (see:

Re: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-11-08 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 09:39 -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: Good old-fashioned miracles are not lawlike, which is what makes them subject to empirical verification. If God is a Protestant, then an examination of a list of lottery ticket winners or people with serious illnesses should show

RE: Numbers, Machine and Father Ted

2006-11-10 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 00:30 +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm Great article! I initially thought that it was written by some poor, honest Christian genuinely struggling with the logical consequences of his beliefs. But then such a person

RE: Evil ? (was: Hypostases (was: Natural Order Belief)

2006-12-28 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 00:37 +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Sure, it's a defect in the brain chemistry, but the delusional person will give you his reasons for his belief: [...] This is very similar to the arguments of people with religious convictions, who will cite evidence in support

Re: ASSA and Many-Worlds

2007-01-24 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: If some multiverse theory happens to be true then by your way of argument we should all be extremely anxious all the time, because every moment terrible things are definitely happening to some copy of us. For example, we should be constantly be worrying that

Re: How would a computer know if it were conscious?

2007-06-07 Thread Johnathan Corgan
the assistance line of reasoning above, in order to propagate, one must be able to have children that are capable of having children themselves. Johnathan Corgan --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: QTI euthanasia

2008-11-14 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 10:46 -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: That was my point. The SWE indicates that every microscopic event that happens or doesn't happen stochastically splits the wave function. But these events don't generally cause a split of Kory or other classical objects. Those

Re: Hitch

2013-07-10 Thread Johnathan Corgan
these matters, except perhaps recently on this mailing list. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr

Re: Hitch

2013-07-12 Thread Johnathan Corgan
in. So we're left with the state of our belief system unchanged, and optimization of our finite resources means we just don't think about these sorts of things. I suppose that's neither 'atheism' or 'agnosticism'. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-30 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Jonathan Colvin wrote: I've sometimes wondered whether some anaesthetics might work this way: put you into a state of paralysis, and affect your short term memory. So you actually experience the doctor cutting you open, with all the concommitant pain, but you can't report it at the time and

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-30 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Lee Corbin wrote: When I was in high school, I read that dentists were considering use of a new anasthetic with this property. I was revolted, and even more revolted when none of my friends could see anything wrong with it. Experiences are real, whether you remember them or not. It's

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-30 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Johnathan Corgan wrote: (Of course, in my case, is was for a semi-surgical procedure that I could probably have withstood with conscious sedation; I don't think I'd ^^ without -Johnathan

Re: More is Better (was RE: another puzzle)

2005-06-30 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Russell Standish wrote: This leads to a speculation that memories are an essential requirement for consciousness... I agree. Had I known then what I know now, I would have asked the nursing staff and doctor to question me in detail about my first person experience *while it was happening*,

Re: where do copies come from?

2005-07-10 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: It is likely that multiple error correction and negative feedback systems are in place to ensure that small changes are not chaotically amplified to cause gross mental changes after a few seconds, On the other hand, the above may be precisely how consciousness

Is 'Measure' infinitely divisible?

2005-09-07 Thread Johnathan Corgan
When considering possible continuations of observer-moments, one speaks of dividing one's measure among them such that any succeeding observer-moment has a relative proportion consistent with the quantum amplitude of its wave function. (Or something like that.) My first question is: Can this go

Re: ROSS MODEL OF THE UNIVERSE - The Simplest Yet Theory of Everything

2005-10-04 Thread Johnathan Corgan
John Ross wrote: My April 18, 2005 version of my Theory of Everything has recently been published as a patent application. You can view it at the United States Patent Office web site by going to www.uspto.gov . Click search then click Published Number Search under Published Applications.

Re: Quantum Immortality and Information Flow

2005-12-31 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: There are many ways to escape from this scenario. If you are Tookie, you will find yourself shunted into increasingly less likely situations: not being caught in the first place; being caught but not being found guilty; being sentenced to death but getting off on

Re: Quantum Immortality and Information Flow

2005-12-31 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Saibal Mitra wrote: To me it seems that the notion of ''successor'' has to break down at cases where the observer can die. The Tookies that are the most similar to the Tookie who got executed are the ones who got clemency. There is no objective reason why these Tookies should be excluded as

Re: Technical paper on 3-dimensional time

2006-01-23 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Marc Geddes wrote: This is very recent (late 2005): http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0510010 I've read this and the author's prior two papers on multi-dimensional time. It appears that his mathematical formulation is able describe a variety of quantum-mechanical properties by adding one or more

Re: Technical paper on 3-dimensional time

2006-01-23 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Norman Samish wrote: I realize that there are unsolved problems in quantum mechanics that can be solved by adding dimensions, whether spatial or time. I also know that added dimensions are describable mathematically, and that some (Tegmark) hold that this makes them real. However, as

Re: Russell's book

2006-09-12 Thread Johnathan Corgan
David Nyman wrote: [re: QTI] This has obvious implications for retirement planning in general and avoidance of the more egregious cul-de-sac situations. On the other hand, short of outright lunacy vis-a-vis personal safety, it also seems to imply that from the 1st-person pov we are likely

Re: Russell's book

2006-09-12 Thread Johnathan Corgan
David Nyman wrote: Is this in fact your expectation? And do you so plan? Forgive me if this seems overly personal, but I'm fascinated to discover if anyone actually acts on these beliefs. It's not overly personal; I brought it up in fact. But personally, no, I don't act on these beliefs

Re: Russell's book

2006-09-12 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Brent Meeker wrote: Everett who originated the MWI thought about QTI. Although he never explicitly said he believed it, he led a very unhealthy life style smoking, drinking, eating to excees, never exercising and he died young, of a heart attack IIRC. So some of his acquaintences

Re: The difference between a 'chair' concept and a 'mathematical concept' ;)

2006-10-05 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Thu, October 5, 2006 11:49, markpeaty wrote: That said, I read with interest a year or two ago about certain kinds of insects [I think they are in North America somewhere] which lie dormant in the earth in some pre-adult stage for a PRIME number of years, 11, 13, were chosen by different

Questions about MWI and mathematical formalism

2004-05-03 Thread Johnathan Corgan
I'm a layperson fascinated with quantum mechanics and the MWI, and have reached a point where to obtain a better understanding of the qualitative descriptions (universes splitting, measure of a universe, etc.) I must learn the mathematical formalism. It appears that the popular descriptions of

Re: Is QTI false?

2011-03-31 Thread Johnathan Corgan
was making progress in understanding Bruno's thesis. I clearly have a *long* way further to go in my studies :-) Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list

Re: The Brain on Trial

2011-06-28 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Congressmen Barney Frank and Ron Paul have introduced a bill in the U.S. House of Representatives that would allow states to legalize or otherwise liberalize marijuana laws without interference from the federal government. Brent Purely symbolic--it will never make it out of committee.

Re: bruno list

2011-09-05 Thread Johnathan Corgan
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 6:25 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: You know, I was raised in the USSR where the official religion was atheism and materialism. The results were disastrous. Um, I rather suspect the disaster was from having an official religion, enforced by men with guns,

Re: UDA reducing physics to number theory

2011-11-21 Thread Johnathan Corgan
to write them down. Thank you, Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr

Help with mailing list configuration

2012-01-31 Thread Johnathan Corgan
threads come through in a long time. Someone please help me debug my settings. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from

Re: Help with mailing list configuration

2012-02-01 Thread Johnathan Corgan
ineffective) attempt at humor poking fun at the amount list traffic devoted to unproductive arguing on certain topics. No worries. Johnathan Corgan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything