are a sad attempt at just that.
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From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in both, so people
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 4:56 PM
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However, that might be due more to the fact that there isn't
much to steal there!
(My parents used to live right next door in Acworth.)
Ed
And all those guns must be worth a bob or two.
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From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 20 June 2003 12:48
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
There's plenty to steal - just look at all the appliances and cars
in the first
place.
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From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 22:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
Why not put a link as the disclaimer? E.g.:
signature
Steve Molkentin
BSES
Phone, fax,etc
http://www.bses.org.au
. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.
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From: Ben Schorr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:57 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Seems like that disclaimer (I do
.
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From: Steve Molkentin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Ben,
I agree... Sadly, due to all the legal eagles rubbing their hands in
glee over more
Hey, where can I get some of that underwear?
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From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 June 2003 16:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
I asked my wife about this, since she is an attorney strapping on
flame
Sounds like it must be a real quite neighborhood
From: Roger Seielstad [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:27:42 -0400
My guess
Lowest crime rate in the nation, I understand.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:35 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Sounds like it must be a real quite neighborhood
From
Lawyers are like economists - any consensus they reach automatically becomes
the truth because all the people who matter act as though it's true.
-Original Message-
From: Chris H [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 19 June 2003 17:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Brick level backups
Administrator
Inovis Inc.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:35 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Sounds like it must be a real quite neighborhood
From: Roger Seielstad
and Bricked Backups!T
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Midgley, Ian
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:07 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal
team
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris H
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:34 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
I asked my wife about this, since she is an attorney strapping on
flame-retardent underwear and her opinion
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Seielstad
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 1:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
It apparently has one of the lowest property crime rates in the area. But
that's not the point. I'd love to see that court
Read http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm and for those jumping the flame
wagon say Goosefraba a few times first.
** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts dealing with
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From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 11:01
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Brick level backups
Read http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm and for those jumping
I probably should reread this, but this was my answer to this question
A year ago - plus an added point.
Why not to do Brick Level Backups:
1) They take a lng time. At my last position, the priv.edb on
several Exchange servers was huge with several mailboxes exceeding
2GB. Backup windows
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From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 12:19 PM
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
I probably should reread this, but this was my answer to this question
A year ago - plus an added point.
Why
Thnks for that :)
David
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From: William Lefkovics[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: 18 June 2003 11:19
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
I probably should reread this, but this was my answer
quack
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From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:11 AM
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Goosefraba William .. Goosefraba ...
** Please prefix your subject header with BETA for posts
You have one like this for disclaimers. I know the basics why not. I would
like to see your reasons of why disclaimers are bad.
From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 12:54
To: Exchange Discussions
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You have one like this for disclaimers. I know the basics
why not. I would
like to see your reasons of why disclaimers are bad.
From: William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply
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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:55:46 +0100
1: Nobody ever reads them
2: Nobody ever reads them
3: People read the message, and forget to read the disclaimer
4: go to 1
Phil
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Phil
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From: Martin Tuip [MVP] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:01 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Brick level backups
Read http://mail.tekscan.com/nomailboxes.htm and for those jumping the flame
wagon say Goosefraba a few times first.
** Please prefix your subject
Version 9.0 of Backup Exec now utilizes SIS for mailbox level backups as
well.
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From: Fyodorov, Andrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
Well, CommVault Galaxy allows
Yes, I would like to see the list against confidentiality disclaimers. The
list against BLB was great.
:)
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From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 6:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
I probably
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
Well, CommVault Galaxy allows to backup and restore individual mailboxes
but
does not use a brick-level approach. It preserves single instance
storage by
backing up a message once and then backing
the company.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 12:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
That's ok some company will make a 3rd party app I am sure, that will force
you to read or click ok before you actually get to see
and
routing inside the company.
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From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 12:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
That's ok some company will make a 3rd party app I am sure, that will
force
you to read or click ok before you
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Sent: 18 June 2003 14:07
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
That's not funny !! I'm currently involved in discussions with our legal
team regarding the validity of English language disclaimers on messages
written in various different European languages
LOL, yes lawyers will be first against the wall when the revolution
comes...closely followed by accountants
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From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 14:54
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
*Has
know that. Esperanto
is a bit too leading edge.
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From: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 18 June 2003 13:54
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
*Has* anyone tested email disclaimers in the courts in the UK, EU or US
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 4:10 PM
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Yup, Greek and Double-Dutch are in the list of languages that need to be
covered. Web links are unacceptable since there is no way of checking
whether the recipient clicked the link, or they might
Well you could probably format the link to let you track the clicks.
But as we know, noone reads these things anyway so it really shouldn't
matter - not that that will placate your legals, of course.
Perhaps some good might come of this - if It was in a language I couldn't
understand. becomes an
: Shotton Jolyon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Well you could probably format the link to let you track the clicks.
But as we know, noone reads these things anyway so it really
of the document through the
link...
What do you think? Pointless? Saves rubbish in e-mails! ;)
themolk.
-Original Message-
From: Midgley, Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2003 11:07 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups
That's not funny
Discussions
Subject: Re: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
About a billion people on this planet speak Chinese ... going
to included that as well ? I like the fact you are going to
add Dutch to the disclaimer, but around 99% of the Dutch
population speaks and understands English
are a sad attempt at just that.
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From: Steve Molkentin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 3:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
What about Klingon and Elvish? Google is available in both, so people
: Akerlund, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:24 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Well I am not a legal speagle by any means, but the
disclaimer issue it bad joke. The true responsibility of who
the message went
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Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 13:28
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Scott, and others,
I totally get your point, and to some degree agree.
An interesting addition...
The Australian federal govt recently (last year
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Sent: Thursday, 19 June 2003 9:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick level backups - legal disclaimers
Seems like that disclaimer (I do not give permission to
forward) would be unnecessary. If the law requires express
permission then the absence of any
-of-a-bitch than you counted upon.
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From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:33 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups
See FAQ Appendix F.
Brick Level
Thanks!
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From: Joyce, Louis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 10:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups
Youw will find the Never restore method by clicking on the FAQ link at the
bottom of this and all listings
2001 15:21
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups
What is the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?
Also, is Arcserve a good choice for backing up my 'normal' servers and my
Exchange server? What are most of you guys using? Veritas? Why?
Thanks!
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From: Ed
Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 7:21 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Brick Level Backups
What is the Ed Crowley Never Restore Method?
Also, is Arcserve a good choice for backing up my 'normal
See FAQ Appendix F.
Brick Level Backups will not cause your car to rust out or your hair to fall
out. They are unlikely to make your system less reliable (but no guarantees
there), nor make your normal non-brick-level backups less reliable. They
do, however, use more tape, make your backup
Done properly, they can be handy in a pinch.
With the Ed Crowley© Never Restore Method®, they're not needed.
(:=
Great Cthulhu Jones
CEO, R'lyeh Consulting
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