But then they talk about how the IT guy is a dick etc. Already had that
happen.
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From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
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And then when the users come yelling
And then I can call you and pay you to fix the mess. :-)
Jim
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From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
It is possible that your best option is to do as I suggest
, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:18 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
And then when the users come yelling, just point the finger
to the direction where blame goes. It's rather amazing how
people won't go complaining to a CEO
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From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:22 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
Yes I've worked in small companies. And I've sold to small companies. I dare
say that I understand the dynamics fairly well. Disk space, tape
Don't question the Ed.
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From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:39 AM
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On your
08, 2002 12:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
Like the other Ed is telling you, it shouldn't be your job to make their
business decisions. You explain the ramifications of having no quotas
currently, what it will mean in the future, and the costs to change
things
I think Ed understands SIS quite well.
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From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:39 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
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On your comment about
Oh, and by the way, how much is that actually taking up
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!
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Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:39 AM
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On your comment about
Oh, and by the way, how much
To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Unlimited Quotas
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
I agree as long as there is money to support it. But keep in
mind that having a large IS means that there is that much
more stuff for lawyers or the FDA (we do drug development) to
go after. And if you are going
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From: Woodrick, Ed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:48 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
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Why is recovery so difficult?
If you've got the dumpster turned on, then recovery is something the
user can do
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, at 10:47pm, Woodrick, Ed wrote:
And as to disk drives, I can speak pretty knowledgeably in this situation,
there is virtually no storage limitations within Exchange that impacts the
per user storage.
Yah, and what about when you run out of physical disk space, or tape
At: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:59 AM
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Unlimited Quotas
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
With the dumpster, recovery isn't usually a big deal, until users call
after a file has been deleted for weeks (and it has passed out of the
dumpster).In my organization
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From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:27 AM
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Unlimited Quotas
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And the whole idea is that as a support shop, your job is to
support. Has management
, July 08, 2002 10:11 AM
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Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, at 10:47pm, Woodrick, Ed wrote:
And as to disk drives, I can speak pretty knowledgeably in this
situation, there is virtually no storage limitations within Exchange
PSTs and Bricked Backups!
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:27 AM
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And the whole idea is that as a support shop, your job is to
support. Has
Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:06 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
Like the other Ed is telling you, it shouldn't be your job to
make their business decisions. You explain the ramifications
of having no quotas currently, what
and Bricked Backups!
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of James Liddil
Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 12:12 PM
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I am finally getting management to make some decisions. But they have a
habit
, 2002 3:14 PM
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
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Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
It is possible that your best option is to do as I suggest and give them
the options well in advance of a crisis and then let the crisis happen.
You can even warn them along the way if you
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Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
I believe this applies to E2K as well as 5.5 - keep in mind if you don't
have the Enterprise version of Exchange, you do have a software limit as
to
how big your IS can get (16g) - disk space won't help you with that. We
hit
this on our server
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Fair enough, he did however say he had 25 users:-) He
would need to
keep the 16 GB limit in mind. Curbing the attachments will help to
stretch the amount of actual mail you can
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Fair enough, he did however say he had 25 users:-) He
would need to
keep the 16 GB limit in mind. Curbing the attachments will help to
stretch the amount of actual mail you can
, 2002 9:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
Good point =). But we never had limits before - and this led
to us hiting the 16g limit with essentially 10 main users
having 1-3g of email a piece. 'Twas very ugly trying to
convince people to let go ;).
John J
of limits will be abused.
Regards.
Nate Couch
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From: Sander Van Butzelaar
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Sent: Friday, July 5, 2002 08:36
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Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
It's mostly a business call. Hard drive space
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, at 9:18am, James Liddil wrote:
I am being asked to justify why I have set quotas for users on our E2K server
with 25 users.
[...snip...]
So besides these reasons are there any other reasons that I should be
thinking about?
Also, keep in mind, that while your existing
:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
MTC --
I would start asking your users why do they need unlimited
space to store
emails? Depending on your quotas/limits I could see where
this might be a
problem if they get large files (CAD drawings, spreadsheets
Don't forget the backup and restore window as well. Obviously a large IS is
going to take a lot longer to restore than a small one.
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From: James Liddil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:18 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Unlimited Quotas
I
For 25 users? How much disk space do you have? 9 GB?
Really... if there's no absolute need for quotas, bag the idea.
Missy
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From: James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Unlimited
Why do you pretend to be arrogant enough to be able to dictate the needs
of others? You don't seem to have any business drivers to justify your
actions. And who is to say that getting additional disk drives for the
user email storage isn't out of the question?
And as to storage, it has nothing
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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 2:32 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
Why do you pretend to be arrogant enough to be able to
dictate the needs
of others? You don't seem to have any business drivers to justify your
actions. And who is to say that getting additional disk
Discussions
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
Not to get into a war of words (as this appears to be something near and
dear to your heart), often IT is put in the position to have to:
A) Save money by not spending any, period (on Exchange or any other type of
upgrades, or disk, or what have you..)
B
, July 05, 2002 9:50 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Unlimited Quotas
For 25 users? How much disk space do you have? 9 GB?
Really... if there's no absolute need for quotas, bag the idea.
Missy
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From: James Liddil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange
Posted To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Unlimited Quotas
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
I agree as long as there is money to support it. But keep in mind that
having a large IS means that there is that much more stuff for lawyers
or the FDA (we do drug development) to go after. And if you
To: Microsoft Exchange
Conversation: Unlimited Quotas
Subject: RE: Unlimited Quotas
One I have used with some success is the use of Exchange as a file
server. The larger their quota is, the more important things tend to
wind up there. If they start using it as a file server, and want
something
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