After seeing the film David Wants to Fly,
the interview with Mark is not flattering
of Maharishi...to say the least...
turquoiseb:
Why should it be?
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds
discuss events. Small minds discuss people.
-- Eleanor Roosevelt
Why should it be?
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds
discuss events. Small minds discuss people.
-- Eleanor Roosevelt
curtisdeltablues:
Great minds discuss whatever interests them...
Where I come from, silence usually indicates agreement.
LoL!
Great minds discuss ideas.
Bhairitu:
I predict that American will be burned to
the ground if it passes...
The president is praising their plan!
Something tells me you don't know what you
are talking about. You don't even make any
sense!
Invest in torches, pitchforks, rope, tar
and feathers.
All your economic
SS is and always has been pay as you go and so,
insomuch as it is not paid for by normal tax
dollars, it shouldn't be included in the normal
budget figures. It is irrelevant to the discussion.
Bhairitu:
Senator Bernie Sanders says SS is funded until 2043
and there is no crisis...
do.rflex:
Quote of the Day - on Conservatism...
Conservatives are happier than liberals because
conservatives have a greater acceptance of income
inequalities.
Being poor, you fail to understand this, so you're
unhappy. You could go out and get a job and make
some money if you wanted to.
Bhairitu:
You would need a region free player for that.
Got this nice little unit about six months ago
and I liked it so much that I bought one for my
daughter out in Santa rosa.
Pioneer DV-220V-K 1080p Region Free DVD Player
w/HDMI USB Amazon $68
http://tinyurl.com/3m5f444
Probably
do.rflex:
Amazon USA has 2 copies available...
Why don't you buy one of the German
discs and tell us what it's all about,
John? LoL!!!
'David Wants to Fly'
David Sieveking and Judith Bourque
Amazon $35.99
http://tinyurl.com/44swgfm
danfriedman:
In reply to your first paragraph: You are not seconding
the motion, but rather introducing your own motion, as
your charactarization of my suggestion as outing of people
against their will is incorrect...
You do know that Rick and Curtis and a few others
were leaders in
Bill Coop:
The real prize would be the deerskin. I think
I heard that it was inherited from Guru Dev...
Maybe so, especially considering that the skin
was probably used as a 'bed' for MMY and Judith.
From what I've read, MMY never went anywhere
without the skin and someone to carry it for
Robert:
Just the mere fact that Murdoch and Co. had to defend
themselves at 10 Downing St. is symbolic to me that
the 'Light of Consciousness' is beginning to shine a
bit brighter on the darknesses of this Media giant...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has the 'Murdoch and
Co.' and/or
I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed
the rest of the media at large, will accept personal
responsibility for creating a 'culture of hate' that
led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do
after the Giffords incident?
Bhairitu:
Apples and oranges.
So, the
But why insist on higher taxes in the middle of weakest
economic recovery in the post-World War II era?
Denise Evans:
Because it isn't the American people don't want higher
taxesthe question is do the american people want
a proportionately fair tax system on the money made from
whynotnow:
No, it came from a deer I am pretty sure.
Probably from Corbett Park.
http://www.corbettpark.com/
From what I've read, Guru Dev did not sit on a 'deerskin';
he meditated on an antelope skin. The skin, which was
given to Guru Dev by his guru Swami Krishnanada Saraswati,
which
What a doofus. I'll give him ten bucks for the
sandals, free shipping.
Sal Sunshine:
...I still stand by what I said originally, that
he'd be lucky to get $1000 or anything close.
Maybe so, but how much could you get for a pair
of your own worn-out sandals, a few cents? LoL!
The TM mantras appear repeatedly in numerous
different tantras...
cardemaister:
Gotta admit that might be true, actually!
Think 'twas prolly Mahaa-nirvaaNa-tantra or
somesuch that has my mantra...
White 'Tara' in Vajrayana Buddhism is 'Sarasvati'
in Hindu Sri Vidya. According to
Joe:
Living in that Texas cematary seems to have made Willy
a bit 'tarded!
So, you're prejudiced against Texans - I always thought
so. But, I didn't 'equate' anything - I just posted the
quote. Speaking of a culture of hate, don't you just
hate that 'Willy' from Texas?
Hey, Joe - you can
do.rflex:
FDR tells the truth about the leaders of
the modern Republican party.
Don't you just hate that Republican Party,
the party of Abraham Lincoln!
The question is, can he run on his record
in 2012, and the answer is no, because it's
abysmal.
He took a trillion dollars and where
Denise Evans:
This table says how the money is being allocated
- way too much on war of course.
You sound like a reasonable person, Denise. Do you
see any trends in this chart:
johnlasher:
The eugenics program is alive and well and
just like Hitler they want to eliminate the
non producers from society.
Adolph Hitler was a National Socialist, but
most of the early advocates of eugenics were
liberal Democrats. You do realize that most
early advocates of
This table says how the money is being allocated
- way too much on war of course.
You sound like a reasonable person, Denise. Do you
see any trends in this chart:
do.rflex:
NOTE: It's a fake chart put out by fringe right wing
blogs and it's not supported by legitimate objective
turquoiseb:
I've had a few such breakthrough moments. One of the
first was a few years after I'd started studying with
Rama. Following his advice to double my salary in a
month, I'd landed myself a gig...
As a recruit is eased out of a pre-Lenz life and into
the cult, computer
turquoiseb:
I've had many such irrational breakthrough moments
in the years...
This guy is either nuts or one of the biggest cult
fibbers of the modern age - put both together, Rama
and Uncle 'Tantra', and you've got a real set of
'True Believers' (TB)!
Go figure.
This sounds like a
turquoiseb:
Maharishi's path -- as I see it...YMMV -- was largely
a path based on sutra.
You are incorrect - MMY's technique is purely tantric;
there are no 'sutras' involved in basic TM. It is very
similar to the tantric practices of the Sri Vidya sect,
in which there is a meditation
What is a good example of a on-the-program TMer? : )
Vaj:
http://www.rwilliams.us/inside/
That's not me in the chair! But, am I the only FFL
informant that has a valid dome badge? Go figure.
danfriedman:
Can FairfieldLife adopt a Policy restricting
non-member posting? This issue has come up
before, and has led to many misunderstandings.
Apparently posting to FFL is available only to
members. Non-members can read, but not post.
danfriedman:
What's happening is that FFL Members continue to
post on behalf, or in spite of, non-Members. This
has led to a number of misunderstandings,
discontinuities, and worst, defamation posted
behind this screen of provided anonymity.
So, you're thinking that some members are
In the context of our continued political system, it is
easy to blame Obama while we whine and cry and call
foul - where is the loyalty
authfriend:
Are you even *aware* that there are many who think
cutting spending to reduce the deficit is the very *last*
thing we should be doing
Bhairitu:
Or do they so fear the old grinch they're afraid to
post it...
I wonder if Obama, MediaMatters, Jon Stewart, indeed
the rest of the media at large, will accept personal
responsibility for creating a 'culture of hate' that
led to this attack the way they demanded Palin do
after
Bhairitu:
The establishment will just not relinquish control
so that humanity can move forward. They'd rather go
down like a sinking ship.
Obama ...prefers the inequality that comes from a
government hierarchy, over inequality that comes from
voluntary trade.
http://tinyurl.com/3wtvvpz
Bhairitu:
I see a guillotine in your future!
You're not even a bystander at a Tea Party
Rally, much less the leader of a revolution.
You probably don't even have weapon in yer
house. You'd be one of the last people I'd
want to rely on to bring down big government.
Liberals like to talk a
johnlasher:
Hissy plus plus still having it...
Maybe getting out and voting would be a
better idea, instead of posting satire
on a newsgroup forum, and trying to pick
a fight with Judy. If you're new to this
group, that wouldn't be a good way to
introduce yourself! Plus, you could write
your
Bhairitu:
To get the US out of debt we should tax
stock sales on Wall Street. It could be
a very small tax and again nothing that
anyone would notice much...
So, how much would taxing 'Wall Street' go
toward either balancing the federal budget
or eliminating the $14 trillion deficit?
Bhairitu:
Those are the ones to get out on
the street...
Maybe they could join a 'Tea Party Rally'
to show they are against runaway federal
spending and payroll taxation.
Or, were you thinking you would start
a new 'rally protest' to promote MORE
taxation and MORE spending? You're not
So, which one is the one from Missouri?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282854
Vaj:
Empty Willy.
Which one, the one from Texas, or the one from Missouri?
turquoiseb:
Today I stumbled upon a realtor listing of one of
the houses dwelt in by Rama - Frederick Lenz. As
it turns out, now having GoogleMapped the address,
I realize that at the time I lived in a guest house
on a private lake a couple of miles away, but never
got to see this
Those are the ones to get out on
the street...
Maybe they could join a 'Tea Party Rally'
to show they are against runaway federal
spending and payroll taxation.
Or, were you thinking you would start
a new 'rally protest' to promote MORE
taxation and MORE spending? You're
Bhairitu:
Always notice that the Republicans say
raise taxes as if they mean raise taxes
on everyone not just people earning
$250,000 or more a year.
Well, I'd vote for a flat tax that everyone
could pay. I'm against payroll taxation on
general principles, but I'd be willing to
pay my
Heat index is 110 here at the moment,
and climbing.
raunchydog:
Too much water can kill you. One to two
liters a day depending on your body mass
is plenty.
Right, too much DHMO can kill you! Several
years ago we got a good warning about that
stuff being used in the TM puja up in
Sal Sunshine :
Take a look at the pictures~~these have got to
be two of the ugliest houses in creation. What
were the owners thinking~~what were the architects
thinking? It's a new style: Neo-Nazi Lite.
Obviously you're prejudiced against Indians, but the
one reminds me of Thomas
Alex Stanley:
He erased it right after posting it. But, Vaj quoted all of it in his
response here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282852
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/282852
So, which one is the one from Missouri?
One is from Texas and one from Missouri.
Willie Nelson was born in Abbott, Texas.
http://mockingwords.blogspot.com/2010/04/willie-nelson-truther.html
William Parkinson:
I tried to trace back my own mantra within the
Advaita-shakti tradition and found that it was
recorded in Shankara's 'Saundaryalahari.'
According to the Shankaracharya of Sringeri, the
Adi Shankara placed the Sri Chakra, symbol of
Tripurasundari, with the TM mantras
In fact, Dan, two of the FFL moderators here
use anonymous 'handles'.
Rick Archer:
Not true. There are three moderators. Alex and
I use our real names. Gullible Fool is the only
one who uses a handle, and he's not very active
as a moderator...
Apparently one FFL moderator has two
Vaj:
Not a very honest presentation...
According to Wallace, Samatha is calm abiding, a
type of meditation designed to enhance sustained
voluntary attention; a subset of the broader family
of samadhi or meditation practices.
Reginald Ray at the Shambhala Mountain Cente says
Samatha is
Derealization during pain isn't the same as
witnessing during the waking state...
Vaj:
I was referring to witnessing during sleep.
In TM, 'witnessing' in waking state refers to the
ability of yogis to 'witness' the Being - the
Transcendental Absolute.
yoga citta vritti nirodha. Yoga
William Parkinson:
This is all new to me...
The Sri Vidya, because it consists of 'indestructible
seed' syllables (bijas) rather than words, transcends
such mundane considerations as semantic meaning.
Accordingly, a bija-only mantra is not merely
esoteric but inherently superior.
William Parkinson:
I found this webpage and it has a different way to
pronounce the mantra I was taught...
Though disputed by somemost in the Shankaracharya
tradition practice samaya sri vidya and accept that he
wrote several tantric texts including Saundaryalahari,
etc, etc. -
emptybill:
All modern Western scholars of Shankara or Advaita
firmly reject the claim that Adi-Shankara was the
author of either Ananda-Larari or Saundarya-Lahari.
Maybe so, but as TMers we are not concerned with what
most Western scholars think about Shankara.
It is a fact that all
William Parkinson:
Shiva is the static consciousness that pervades all
things, while shakti represents (envisioned in
feminine form) the dynamic form of consciousness...
The answer lies in the relationship of the Sri Vidya
tradition and Kashmere Saivism. In the Shankaracharya
tradition,
danfriedman:
Thanks for the background...
In fact, Dan, two of the FFL moderators here
use anonymous 'handles'. Both of them have
been very antagonistic to some of my postings.
Apparently these two moderators hate TMers
from Texas. Go figure.
But, I will say that even the most hateful
feste37:
You tend to do this when any new person appears
here. Are you aware of this rather unpleasant
behavior on your part?
As some have noticed, I have a low tolerance
threshold when it comes to idiots who show up on
Internet forums I frequent and bring a hidden
agenda with them.
Could it be one of the two Buddhists here ? :-)
Rick Archer:
Does it have anything to do with their being
Buddhists? What if you were to ask, Could it
be one of the Jews here?
Could it be one of the 'TMers' here, or maybe a
guy from Texas? Does it have anything to do with
anything,
danfriedman:
Your promise to stop mentioning me in your
posts means nothing to you. I continue to
find your posts offensive and intentionally
provacative...
There are at least three informants here that
you need to watch, Dan - one gave out my real
name (a year after I posted it on
Vaj:
Sounds to me like Judy is LYING again...
Maybe you should provide a link to the
lies, if any, that you think Judy posted
so we can sort this all out. I know someone
is lying, but I don't think it's Judy.
emptybill:
I have practiced Trungpa's style of shamataa and was
not impressed when compared to TM dhyana...
So, we are agreed.
The Sakyong Mipham uses bija mantras in the Shambhala
training. Maybe when you were there, the Trungpa
thought you were to advanced already - I don't know,
maybe
emptybill:
Calmness is not the same as state of least
excitation...
It's Tibetan, Bill, from the Tantras, not from the
Pali Sutras. Some students get mixed up and confuse
the 'vipassana-shamatha' practices of the Theravada
with the 'siddha-yoga' practices of the Vajrayana.
Vajrayana
turquoiseb :
It's a pretty Jr. High School mentality...
If Vaj is junior high school, you're about the
level of pre-school. LoL!!!
Fer chirssakes, Barry, we already know you're
a liar, but do you have be a hypocrite as well?
Go figure.
Willy, since fucking prairie dogs or whatever
you
Besides, shamantha is just another variant on
TM, similar to Tibetan Dzogchen...
Vaj:
It's actually nothing like TM. Within a couple of
weeks Shamatha meditators were transcending for many
hours at a time.
It's just like 'TM': sitting meditation with a mental
object with
Vaj:
here's what's been published so far on the
Shamatha Project.
None of these papers are double-blind studies.
But, all these papers just validate the practice
of TM.
The fact is, meditation can help reduce stress,
one of the major contributors to heart attack,
according to Dr.
Shamatha is just another variant on TM practice,
similar to Tibetan Dzogchen...
TM bears no similarity to any Dzogchen practice that
I am aware of.
The key words here are 'samatha' and samadhi; samatha (calm
abiding) is a subset of the broader family of samadhi or
meditation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b_\
86412.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-maharishi-years-the-u_b\
_86412.html
Maharishi had suffered severe abdominal pain and
inflammation of the pancreas, along with kidney
failure followed by a heart
I've never seen such partisan and one sided posting as
from this particular poster, it is as if he can only
see black and white or is so jaded in his way of
thinking that objective thinking is no longer possible.
Yes do.rflex is a big idiot - it was probably not wise of
There must be hundreds of scientific reports
by now that that support the theory that TM
helps reduce the frequency of heart attacks.
Vaj:
Actually the latest study was found to have had
the data deliberately skewed...
Until we know why the paper was delayed, I think
I'll go with the
Vaj:
Are you referring to the Shamatha Project?
Apparently there's no scientific research on the Shamantha
Project that has been published in peer-reviewed journals.
Besides, shamantha is just another variant on TM,
similar to Tibetan Dzogchen. So, any scientific discoveries
would
Actually the latest study was found to have had the
data deliberately skewed.
authfriend:
Actually was found = one medical journalist said he
thought it was skewed in a blog post on Forbes.com.
We should not misinterpret this unusual delay. It was a
nine year study, and it received
Not MMY's interpretation of things TM...
Vaj:
MMY's interpretation was a rogue one...
MMY's interpretation is apparently the correct
one - someone is telling some very big fibs!
It looks like Vaj will have a lot of explaining
to do, since Patanjali's definition of Yoga
seems to be
emptybill:
It's a mental midget's attempt to define
the real nature of mantra, Mahayana,
meditation, transcending, and reality
itself...
So, where does the tradition of meditation
on 'bija' mantras come from?
We know that 'mantras' are used in the Vedas,
but there are no bija mantras in
If, so it's another Turq flip-flop, since Turq recently
proclaimed to be a non-believer in a transcendental
experience. Go figure.
Xenophaneros Anartaxius:
All our experience is subjective, even that of the outside
objective world about which we construe facts...
So, we get
Ravi:
I should clarify when he uses the term subjective
experiences he is referring to claims of enlightenment
and spiritual experiences...
Maybe so, but the idea of 'enlightenment' comes from the
verbal testimony of others, not from observation, or from
subjective experience.
People
A better defense might have been, Caylee accidentally
drowned in the family swimming pool; Casey panicked
and hid the body; because Casey is mentally ill.
Read more:
'Casey Anthony Trial Update: Jury reaches verdict'
CBS News, July 2011
http://tinyurl.com/3m9uhjd
'Casey Anthony trial: Jury
Guilty of lying! Case closed.
A better defense might have been, Caylee accidentally
drowned in the family swimming pool; Casey panicked
and hid the body; because Casey is mentally ill.
Read more:
'Casey Anthony Trial Update: Jury reaches verdict'
CBS News, July 2011
turquoiseb:
He may, in fact, be the one writing this post
Obviously Barry is in a state of denial. Go figure.
To some, it might remind them of various stages
of the spiritual development process. Others may
hear only a rock song...
authfriend:
See? I'm special because the song reminds me of
the spiritual development process. Other people
who aren't as special as I am just hear it as a
Guilty of lying - a misdemeanor, not a jailing offense,
since she has been in prison for three years. Why? Murder
was not proved - lack of evidence. Jeff Ashton maybe just
laughed too soon, which might have caused the jury to
vote the way they did. Jose Baez should demand Casey's
immediate
do.rflex:
I told you she was a liar the first day, Mr. Baez
told the jury...
Mass media blows it again!
These are grand days for Nancy Grace, who is enjoying
increased ratings on HLN and increased visibility on
ABC's 'Good Morning America.'
Her coverage of the Casey Anthony trial
Let's bash some Christians today!
Apparently some people will stoop at nothing
to get a sideways slap at some particular
group they don't agree with. Fer chirssakes,
Vaj, you could have linked to it, instead of
posting the whole thing is 36 point. Send in
the clowns! LoL!
Vaj:
Christianists on
emptybill:
Bija mantra-s are the phonemes of oral,
chanted Sanskrit.
So, we are agreed.
Each of these phonemes has the appropriate
anusvara added to it (which if chanted like
Brahmana-s do in the appropriate manner)
turns it into a bija-mantra. If you had the
time/place in the
mainstream20016:
...the spontaneous combustion of Texas
Governor Rick Perry on an outdoor public
stage during his announcement that he will
be a candidate for President.
You sound very prejudiced against certain
groups of people, based on their birth
circumstances. It's difficult to
...because of the supernatural guardianship of the
Holy Ghost.
turquoiseb:
Now that's curious. It makes me want to stand by my
earlier characterization of you as a closet Cathar...
Isn't that kind of insulting, calling a FFL informant
a Cathar - what in hell is wrong with you, Turq?
Scholarly article on Buddhist meditation, contemporary
mindfulness practices, and the Transcendental Meditation
technique by Dr. Evan Finkelstein.
turquoiseb:
Just another attempt to impose TM ideas on a system
he neither understands nor respects, and clearly has
never tried.
Get a
Ravi Yogi:
Interesting but makes sense, thanks Judy.
Wow! The last few days must be some kind of record
for inflammatory messaging in FFL!
Atkins is known for the controversial 2008
documentary 'Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed', in
which he told interviewer Ben Stein that religion
was
So my thesis is that subjective experience *in itself*
is a selfish act that is of no use to anyone else in
the world...
Ravi Yogi:
You are indeed right...
Huh?
It all depends on what you mean by knowledge and what
you mean by belief. Knowledge means having reasons, or
You sound very prejudiced against certain
groups of people, based on their birth
circumstances. It's difficult to imagine
you being a TM Teacher with this kind of
negative attitude.
mainstream20016:
My bias - Texans who are Pitta-deranged...
You've mixed up your TM religion with
do.rflex:
Why does God hate Texas?
So, it seems that you hate a lot of different groups
of people, for no apparent reason.
Prejudice against certain group is always wrong, John.
You've been taken to task for this on several
occasions. You seem to be trying to outdo yourself.
Don't you
do.rflex:
I am so fed up with these fanatics and lunatics,
I just want them to get a good solid dose of what
they really want...
Now John wants to bash the people of Minnesota, I
guess because Michele Bachmann lives there. Can
anyone here help John with his prejudice problems?
Where is
Ravi Yogi:
Indeed by rejecting the feminine values of faith,
trust for the fear of harming themselves, one finds
themselves separated, alienated and distanced...
For centuries after her death, Mary's legacy
remained the greatest of all threats to a fearful
church that had bypassed
Activism is the answer - I see civil war in this
country in the future, if the Republican's get
their way.
Sal:
We keep hearing that, but so far I haven't seen
any evidence that we are anywhere near. We never
are, it's always, Next time we'll do something.
But then next time
Are you referring to serotonin overdose?
Vaj:
No I wasn't.
Any kind of decoction could be termed 'ayahusca',
which is probably similar to the Vedic Soma. The
secret ingredients were probably lost long before
the Vedic Age. In South America there are all
kinds of decoctions that have been
wgm4u:
Why don't they just confiscate all the money
from the 'rich' (over 250K) and redistribute
it? That ought to last a least another year
or so~, yes? No one should have to work over
50, come on!
Why not just give everyone in Greece a government
job so they work six hours a day,
But, apparently, the secret of the Soma decoction
has been lost since well before 1500 B.C. when the
Aryans migrated from Persia into India.
cardemaister:
According to Bal Gangadhar Tilak, they moved
originally from the North Pole:
According to the David Frawley, the Aryans
Why not just give everyone in Greece a government
job so they work six hours a day, for four days
a week, with a thirty day vacation each year,
with full free health care, and then let the
paper-pushers retire at age forty with a full
pension and health benefits for life, after
whynotnow7:
I was listening to Radio Pacifica about
what is happening in Greece...
Apparently the economy of Greece is a big
Ponzi.
Most of the people in Greece work for the
government. As the workers get old and
retire, there was supposed to be new young
workers to take the place of the
Rick Archer:
(damn, it's funny!)
I'll tell you what's funny - Michele Bachmann
is from Iowa, and she could probably take the
whole state if she wins the nomination. LoL!
(damn, it's funny!)
seventhray1:
The adoring audience with their sustained
applausemakes me want to throw up...
Don't you just hate that prompted laughter!
But, apparently, this is what passes for
family entertainment in some parts of Iowa.
Go figure.
I think this post marks the high water mark
of your time here.
Bob Price:
I'm still waiting for the RESPONSE to that
bait and switch spitball reducing western
civilization to Dualism...
Maybe he believes in dualism - after all, we
all have two eyes, right? And, most of us have
two
turquoiseb:
Sitting in my window seat on the fast train
back to the Netherlands...
Do fast European trains have Wi-Fi?
You could have at least waited to post until
you got back to your apartment. Go figure.
turquoiseb:
An experience on two Rama-oriented Facebook
forums recently...
You're on Facebook now? Go figure.
And why? Why on earth is she running?
Because Michele Bachmann cannot lose. Even if she
doesn't get the nomination of her party, she will
gain prestige for running, be even more famous
and she will increase her presence in the U.S.
Congress, which will almost surely help her get
attention for
So, I'm curious as to how MZ, not to mention Vaj,
respond to this:
Bhairitu:
It doesn't have to be TM either. My tantra guru
taught meditation to similar kids through a program
on of students who is a juvenile office set up.
So, your tantra guru teaches a meditation that is
The first reports were from inner circle disciple
and key TM Org donor, Earl Kaplan, in a prematurely
released draft of a letter which revealed numerous
improprieties with Mahesh and family...
sparaig:
Hmmm... So, you're saying that Ed Kaplan's original
letter claimed that kids
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