Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-21 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 4/20/07 7:29:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can't draw conclusions about gun control based on Houston and Israel being the same size. 96 percent of the population of Israel consists of but two ethnic groups. Most of the city shares the same

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-21 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/20/ap/strange/main2712870.shtml

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-21 Thread handsonmaui
Good point Gullible Fool. Your example of Houston vs. Israel shows why statistics can be so misleading. Just a quick google and I found there were 26 gun homicides in Iowa (3 year average 2000 - 2002). Iowa population was just under 3 million (haven't checked recently) compared to Israel's 7

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-21 Thread bob_brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, handsonmaui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good point Gullible Fool. Your example of Houston vs. Israel shows why statistics can be so misleading. Just a quick google and I found there were 26 gun homicides in Iowa (3 year average 2000 - 2002). Iowa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Seems to me that today's climate is not a good one for taking even tentative steps toward reducing anybody's civil liberties

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: But returning to the US scenario - I CAN'T see any justification for people holding on to arms. They would NOT stop an undemocratic coup or restore

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just allowing people to arm themselves to fight real or imaginary oppression is NOT the answer, in my humble opinion. Gandhi was inspirational because he defeated the world power of his age with NON- VIOLENCE!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor uns_tressor@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: uns_tressor wrote: The danger of the Apaches galloping over

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/07 3:55:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The threat which underlay the original tolerance of guns is gone. And guns should go along with it. Lesislation along with ferocious

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 4/20/07 12:32:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Uns, just to clarify for a Brit, the purpose of the original right to bear arms language in the U.S. Constitution was *not* to allow the people to fight off Indians if the need arose. It was to fight

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Prohibition attempts are a study in human creativity and flexibility. Blocking imported weed created an outdoor growing industry in the states. Going after outdoor weed crops created the still booming indoor growing primo bud industry. Shut down meth labs in the Midwest? No problem, now it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip Seems to me that today's climate is not a good one for taking

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread Marek Reavis
Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: **snip** Of course the means of destruction do matter: Thats why automatic weapons were invented in the first place, because the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prohibition attempts are a study in human creativity and flexibility. Blocking imported weed created an outdoor growing industry in the states. Going after outdoor weed crops created the still booming indoor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread curtisdeltablues
Ain't it just heartbreaking, the level of FEAR that people must live with on a daily basis to really *get into* guns? I know a fellow who is one of the sweetest guys you could ever meet. You'd like him...he's a musician, and a pretty good one. Guitars, keyboards, the whole tamale. Got a wife,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread giovanni santostasi
Please, look at CNN video news in the CNN website called Bearing Arms. It talks about gun law in Israel. Israel is one of the most violent places on earth, and though it is not easy to get a gun. The gun laws are similar to almost any other civil place in the world: months of paper work,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread giovanni santostasi
Ok, there are a lot of guns around already. Does that mean we need to have even more? The Cho guy didn't get a gun from somebody that owned already a gun (like a parent). He bought a new one, with a procedure that lasted a couple of minutes. Buying a car would have taken much more red tape.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread gullible fool
You can't draw conclusions about gun control based on Houston and Israel being the same size. 96 percent of the population of Israel consists of but two ethnic groups. Most of the city shares the same religious beliefs. Israel is a nation, with a population that is spread out amongst different

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-20 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only am responding to this part but there were many great lines. In particular I could use the address of chicks who are retired at 33 in Spain and who made a living making men happy. I have a theory that I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: Discuss amongst yourselves. There is a perverse logic here. But it is perverse. We in England are defeated by Americans' love of guns. The

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
I've been hearing a lot on the news from politicians who want to do something so that this terrible tragedy never happens again. It represents contrasting qualities that I both love and hate about my country. The positive side is American optimism. That Micky Rooney addressing the whole town

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip There have been a bunch of good points about many aspects of this problem and lots of good counters. The fact is that this kid had mental problems and went off. Plenty of people saw warning signs but there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread curtisdeltablues
We've got more than enough to do to keep Bush from extending his incursions, and then eventually rolling those back. When I wrote the phrase dumbass mob trying to reduce complex problems into simple solutions, I was totally thinking of every time Bush talks about bringing democracy to Iraq, or

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip There have been a bunch of good points about many aspects of this problem and lots of good counters. The fact is that this kid

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Seems to me that today's climate is not a good one for taking even tentative steps toward reducing anybody's civil liberties Despite saying what you do above about reducing civil liberties, below in two

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 4/19/07 9:26:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There have been a bunch of good points about many aspects of this problem and lots of good counters. The fact is that this kid had mental problems and went off. Plenty of people saw warning signs but

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/07 9:26:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There have been a bunch of good points about many aspects of this problem and lots of good counters. The fact is that this kid had

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread Richard J. Williams
uns_tressor wrote: The danger of the Apaches galloping over the horizon is relatively low nowadays, I am told. Were you also told that many Brit invaders had guns that caused the Apaches to gallop over the horizon to defend the right to their land? If you weren't told this in history

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: uns_tressor wrote: The danger of the Apaches galloping over the horizon is relatively low nowadays, I am told. Were you also told that many Brit invaders had guns that caused the Apaches to gallop

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread bob_brigante
http://www.slate.com/id/2164510/nav/tap2/ forget about guns, worry about bombs...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 4/19/07 3:55:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The threat which underlay the original tolerance of guns is gone. And guns should go along with it. Lesislation along with ferocious policing would sort it if, and only if, there was the will. No

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams willytex@ wrote: uns_tressor wrote: The danger of the Apaches galloping over the horizon is relatively low nowadays, I am told. Were you also

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-18 Thread claudiouk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6567329.stm guns, bombs = means of destruction 32 killed in US - terrible - a mad guy perhaps over 100 killed DAILY in Iraq - horrific - an insane situation for sure Is there a parallel? Gun laws don't help; neither do endless Hollywod movies and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-18 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6567329.stm guns, bombs = means of destruction 32 killed in US - terrible - a mad guy perhaps over 100 killed DAILY in Iraq - horrific - an insane situation for sure

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-18 Thread claudiouk
Jews in WW2, liberation movements guns.. maybe that was the only way THEN? Don't think we should encourage people to have guns.. Governments have better guns, organization oppressive apparatus anyway. The Palestinians tried to use violence to help their cause - personally I think it did NOT

[FairfieldLife] Re: Guns don't kill people, the lack of guns kill people

2007-04-18 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6567329.stm guns, bombs = means of destruction 32 killed in US - terrible - a mad guy perhaps over 100 killed DAILY in Iraq - horrific - an insane situation for sure Is