--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Jan 1, 2011, at 9:51 AM, sparaig wrote:
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For me, if there's any activity going on in the mind that
somehow seems mantra-like, no matter how poorly/vaguely/
abstractly/subtly/etc it is, then its still the mantra.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
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* * * For me anyhow, when the activity was fully comprehended as being
silence, and vice-versa, the issue became moot, as there was no longer
anywhere to take a mantra *to*, or any reason to pay attention to one
All good points, and he has apparently
also completely misunderstood that the
beautiful thing about the TM program is
it is *self-transcending*...
sparaig:
I think it goes back to the question What
is a mantra?
A mantra is a symbol of the transcendent.
It can be a sound or
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:
Hey seventhray1, I found it very rewarding to raise my daughter (now 20) in
terms of her values vs. her accomplishments. In other words I was always far
more concerned that she show kindness to others for example than
...I agree with your feeling the more
mantra-like everything becomes anyway,
as eventually everything becomes the
program.
nablusoss1008:
All that is necessary is to close the eyes.
All you have to do is 'be aware of being
aware'. That's it.
Actually, all you have to do is just
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
...I agree with your feeling the more
mantra-like everything becomes anyway,
as eventually everything becomes the
program.
nablusoss1008:
All that is necessary is to close the eyes.
All you have to do
All you have to do is 'be aware of being
aware'. That's it.
nablusoss1008:
It's a mistake to think that you transcended
the mantra once and for all.
The key word here is 'think'. TM is based on
thinking. Without thinking there would be no
'TM' - there would be just the Transcendent.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
All you have to do is 'be aware of being
aware'. That's it.
nablusoss1008:
It's a mistake to think that you transcended
the mantra once and for all.
The key word here is 'think'. TM is based on
thinking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willy...@... wrote:
All you have to do is 'be aware of being
aware'. That's it.
nablusoss1008:
It's a mistake to think that you transcended
the mantra once and for all.
The key word here is 'think'. TM is based on
thinking.
On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 3:22 PM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote:
But I strongly suggest not to analyze Maharishis points of meditation here
on a public forum. If you have a question a checking is the way to go !
If you don't have the Euro 25 to pay for a checking, you might
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
All good points, and he has apparently also completely misunderstood that the
beautiful thing about the TM program is it is *self-transcending* -- and that
the effortless backing-up process of Grace it initiates continues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
Raunchy: It's like house training a puppy. Saying, No! Bad dog
doesn't mean I don't love my dog unconditionally, it just means I'm
correcting undesirable behavior. Otherwise, how would the miscreants of
FFLife know that it's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Look, we can cook up stories to explain away all kinds of
misdeeds.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
All good points, and he has apparently also completely misunderstood that
the beautiful thing about the TM program is it is *self-transcending* --
Absolutely right, Raunchy, and if there are any children on this site,
doubtless you are educating them beautifully into becoming responsible adults.
On the other hand, raising children from an unenlightened vantage-point, where
our own pain-body has not been acknowledged and healed, is not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
Absolutely right, Raunchy, and if there are any children on this site,
doubtless you are educating them beautifully into becoming responsible adults.
On the other hand, raising children from an unenlightened vantage-point,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_re...@... wrote:
Rory, wrong is wrong. If someone rolls you in an ally and steals your
wallet, should you heal his soot-particles with unconditional love or have
him arrested? Loving the thief unconditionally might make *you* feel
Raunchy wrote:
Rory, wrong is wrong. If someone rolls you in an ally and steals your
wallet, should you heal his soot-particles with unconditional love or have him
arrested? Loving the thief unconditionally might make *you* feel better but it
won't stop him from robbing again. It's like house
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
Absolutely right, Raunchy, and if there are any children on this site,
doubtless you are educating them beautifully into becoming responsible
adults.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
Raunchy wrote:
Rory, wrong is wrong. If someone rolls you in an ally and steals your
wallet, should you heal his soot-particles with unconditional love or have him
arrested? Loving the thief unconditionally might make
Hi Rory,
I am enjoying your perspective immensely. And I think in principle you are
right. But have you actually raised any children?
This is not a set up. But I don't really think it is a new concept to
acknowledge our pain-body. That is just another way of saying we all have
issues.
Hey seventhray1, I found it very rewarding to raise my daughter (now 20) in
terms of her values vs. her accomplishments. In other words I was always far
more concerned that she show kindness to others for example than what her
grades were for her Algebra class. So far so good.
--- In
Hi Steve,
No, I have raised no children, and I am not here pretending to be an expert in
child-raising. I have, however, noticed that children, like pets (which I have
raised), have an uncanny ability to reflect our issues back to us. I have
watched both animals and fretting babies instantly
Yea, I guess the point I am making is that framework seems more important
than agenda. And I am curious how the MSAE students do in general. I mention
that because I would view that as pushing a certain agenda. And I guess it is
my opinion that agenda agendas don't pan out well. And to be quite
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
Raunchy wrote:
Rory, wrong is wrong. If someone rolls you in an ally and steals your
wallet, should you heal his soot-particles with unconditional
Yes, that's the paradoxical flip-side to particle-whispering. As we take
responsibility for all of it, we come to appreciate that Life is really a
mystical marriage, a divine partnership, between us and the universal
body-mind, with each side contributing 100%. Hey! Maybe that's what MMY really
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
It's just that the tendency may be at that point to reject the old technique
as dualistic and clumsy (and in a way, rightly so), not recognizing that the
ladder of ascension is *still* the Guru's attention-fire, which was
Nice post, Lawson. Agreed!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig lengli...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff rorygoff@ wrote:
It's just that the tendency may be at that point to reject the old
technique as dualistic and clumsy (and in a way, rightly
On Jan 1, 2011, at 9:51 AM, sparaig wrote:
I think it goes back to the question What is a mantra?
Well the tantras define this quite precisely, in both it's levels of meanings
and it's experiences in minute detail.
For me, if there's any activity going on in the mind that somehow seems
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
Thanks for the reply. This is a more plausible interpretation of what Earl
said. If this is what he intended to say (jury still out for me)
then I have fewer if any issues with his letter.
Some comments below.
Tart, the
On Dec 30, 2010, at 7:48 PM, emptybill wrote:
Although people talk on about kundalini quite frequently, what they describe
is actually a variable degree of prana going up the spine.
Muktananda used to say their are three levels of kundalini awakening:
prana-kundalini, chit-kundalini
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:25 AM, tartbrain wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
Thanks for the reply. This is a more plausible interpretation of what Earl
said. If this is what he intended to say (jury still out for me)
then I have fewer if any issues
On 12/31/2010 10:54 AM, Vaj wrote:
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:25 AM, tartbrain wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vajvajradh...@... wrote:
Tart, the mechanics have to do with what is supposed to happen when shakti
is awakened, and what happens when it's awakened incorrectly. When
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote:
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:25 AM, tartbrain wrote:
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I found the rapid and deep cycles of breath in TMSP much
like AoL sahdarshan kriya. Huge amounts of prana are injected
into the system with TMSP.
I've never learned the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:25 AM, tartbrain wrote:
snip
I found the rapid and deep cycles of breath in TMSP much
like AoL sahdarshan kriya. Huge amounts of
On Dec 31, 2010, at 2:21 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
On 12/31/2010 10:54 AM, Vaj wrote:
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:25 AM, tartbrain wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vajvajradh...@... wrote:
Tart, the mechanics have to do with what is supposed to happen when
shakti is awakened,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
On Dec 31, 2010, at 11:25 AM, tartbrain wrote:
snip
I found the rapid and deep
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
If you've thought of another option, why don't you just say
what it is instead of pretending to want to know whether I
had another option in mind but somehow failed to mention it?
(You might want to check out the earlier
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
If you've thought of another option, why don't you just say
what it is instead of pretending to want to know whether I
had another option in mind but somehow
My sense is that Vaj was not initiated into TM or learned the TMSP. I can't put
my finger on it, though there is something about the way he writes about it all
in a fragmented way, as someone would looking at it from the outside, in. He
doesn't appear to write from experience, but rather the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotn...@... wrote:
My sense is that Vaj was not initiated into TM or learned
the TMSP.
And remember he also claims to have been a TM *teacher*.
Several genuine TM teachers here and on alt.m.t have had
a lot of trouble swallowing that one.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Yeah, I prefer straightforwardness to coy helping Judy out.
Your preferences are duly noted, and I do apologize: I did not mean to sound
coy. I thought since you have so often appeared to use similar methods on
others,
All good points, and he has apparently also completely misunderstood that the
beautiful thing about the TM program is it is *self-transcending* -- and that
the effortless backing-up process of Grace it initiates continues long after
any use of the mantra itself is transcended.
But then, I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
* * How do you know for sure that he is not operating
unconsciously, out of blind pain? It seems like the best
hypothesis to me.
Neat, let's excuse all lies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote:
Look, we can cook up stories to explain away all kinds of
misdeeds. All very saintly, but it isn't likely to help
the miscreants see the light, so the misdeeds continue,
doing their damage with no accountabilility. It's a
What do you mean by self transcending? Do you mean that the practice itself
leads the awareness of consciousness with no content? (ie. transcends thoughts
etc.). Or do you mean the practice transcends the self, somewhat confused as
to your meaning. Thanks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000
johnlasher20002...@... wrote:
What do you mean by self transcending? Do you mean that the practice itself
leads the awareness of consciousness with no content? (ie. transcends
thoughts etc.). Or do you mean the practice transcends
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, RoryGoff roryg...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
Look, we can cook up stories to explain away all kinds of
misdeeds. All very saintly, but it isn't likely to help
the miscreants see the light, so
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote:
Rory, wrong is wrong. If someone rolls you in an ally and steals your
wallet, should you heal his soot-particles with unconditional love or have
him arrested? Loving the thief unconditionally might make *you* feel
Invalid arguments, Vaj. Only in rare cases would TM activate the Kundalini,
with even fewer instances of Sidhis, like negligible. So your 2 required
components don't amount to anything.
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--- In
On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:57 PM, yifuxero wrote:
Invalid arguments, Vaj. Only in rare cases would TM activate the Kundalini,
with even fewer instances of Sidhis, like negligible. So your 2 required
components don't amount to anything.
Although people talk on about kundalini quite frequently, what they
describe is actually a variable degree of prana going up the spine.
Actual kundalini is not within our power to control because it is the
originating power of the jiva-atma when that jiva takes embodiment in a
human being,
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